FLYNAVY: is now paying for it.

I refuse to believe, for the sake of my faith in humanity, that people like you are for real.

FLYNAVY

There are good cops, there are bad cops, and then there are weak cops who fall back on regulations when the rules conflict with their sense of ethical propriety. I get the sense that these cops were the latter.

The nurse, I think was either lazy, or an asshat, or went for the gold as a lazy asshat.

I have alot of friends that are PD & while they are a pretty gung ho bunch, they are some of the most compassionate people I've ever met outside the military.

Ever notice how the only people who stick up for cops are their friends, family and other cops? It's true.

/and fark trolls, but those don't count

FLYNAVY

Sorry guys, still on the side of the Policemen. I have alot of friends that are PD & while they are a pretty gung ho bunch, they are some of the most compassionate people I've ever met outside the military.


People are always compassionate to them and theirs.

ExJerseyGirl
I don't believe the nurse and I think they are covering their tracks to avoid a nasty law suit.

I agree that the nurse is simply not to be believed... Have so few here taken or had Plan B in their hot little hands?
Plan B does NOT come one pill at a time. You don't go to the pharmacy or the ER two times for one pill each time. You are given both pills and instructions (to wait before taking pill #2).

So if she didn't get pill #2, then that means that someone ELSE gave her pill #1 (nope, there is only one nurse), or they deliberately withheld pill #2.

thejoyofpi:
Yep, pretty much follow the Constitutional laws & regulations. In my community it's called being a good citizen & a good operator. We have to have Standard Procedures so you don't have to reinvent the wheel on everything evertime something comes up or you just make it up your own as you go along. Guess I like my world to be orderly a little more than you. Yeah, don't always agree with all the rules & some of them can be confining in what I do but it's the system in place & I either live with it or run for Congress & change it.

This is a tough call for the cops personally, their ass can be thrown in a sling if they don't go by protocol, officer discretion can't overrule warrants.

I think they should have taken custody of her, called a female officer to take her in to a nurse with the rape kit and have the female officer be present at all times, with that officers partner and one or two other officers as backup in the hall/closest adjacent room.

Sounds like they did this, got the prescription for drugs, and the jail nurse is the one who dropped the ball, not the cops.

Waffen: This is a tough call for the cops personally, their ass can be thrown in a sling if they don't go by protocol, officer discretion can't overrule warrants.

Not really. I know cops personally who would never do this just for the sake of protocol.

But that's because my local (rural) PD is populated by reasonable people, not asshats.

"Remember Cops are the good guys unless you are a criminal"

You just made Pepsi come out my nose!!

This 81 yo man the cops murdered agrees with you, I am sure

http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070129/NEWS01/70129005/ 1075

FLYNAVY: Guess I like my world to be orderly a little more than you.

Order for the sake of order, bereft of any consideration for morality, is an inhuman system. I am glad that that is not the sort of political ideal America stands for.

this girl's story is wrought with instances where bad policy was carried out to the T by spineless bureaucrats. Whatever happened to human discretion?

Fkynavy / Irish31, we've missed you, buddy!

Oh, I know you're not really Irish31. But, see, guys like you are a living stereotype. Cheering on the cops when their response was vastly disproportionate to the student's victimless crime.

Befehl ist Befehl.

BTW Farkers remember that many cops are ex-military.

You: You needed to be told what to do, think, and act so badly that you joined the military and became a cop.

Them: I guess I just like my world to be a little more orderly than you.

It's a matter of perspective. To you, they're mindless automatons. To them, they are bringing order to a world that confuses them and the other hulking boobs that comrpise their lot.

Yeah, don't always agree with all the rules & some of them can be confining in what I do but it's the system in place & I either live with it or run for Congress & change it.

The police follow the rules when it's convenient for them; a lot of them are just crooks with good alibis. Most of the rest are just plain shiatheads.

Of course, there are some that aren't, but since I can't tell which is which, I just play it safe.

FLYNAVY: Sorry the girl was raped & sorry she didn't take care of her warrant when she should have but she broke the law nonetheless & is now paying for it.

Yeah, and some other woman will be paying for this in the future when she gets attacked by this same rapist -- all because the cops didn't bother to investigate the case and try to track him down. But you're a big tough navy guy so you don't have to worry about anything like that. At least not from your straight navy buddies.

beaverfetus, human discretion was eliminated because idiots were sue happy, but people are sue happy before and after discretion is eliminated, lol.

Remember that Deputy Sheriff who showed discretion, and the person ran from their own father's funeral, I bet you that deputy got in trouble from the department, so next time, he won't show any discretion, he will do it by the book, and any other deputies involved with it will go by the book after seeing their fellow Deputy get farked over. You can blame assholes who abused the discretion that cops use to give by running.

The girl who was raped was low risk, that I am aware of, and could have been treated more leniently, but if they let her go and she ran because of the warrant, some cop would get farked over and possibly lose his job or get some serious shiat.

The cops act the way they do by conditioning. They are conditioned to arrest those they are told to arrest, or those they believe are guilty of a crime because the evidence they have collected points to that, if they thought too much into it they would become judge and jury, instead of just presenting their case to the judge and jury. Yet you guys don't want them to shoot and kill suspected murderers and rapist right? You want the justice system to handle it, right?

serpent_sky, yeah, since this January or whatever it is over the counter, basically a super dose of birth control. Not really the point, the cops did their job, the nurse didn't. Blame the nurse, not the cops.

FLYNAVY: Then your friends are outside of the norm. I've yet to meet a decent police officer in my life. They've always treated me like scum, and as though I was some horrid criminal.

I've never even been charged with a crime in my life.

Paedophile_Deluxe: The nurse obviously knew what the medication was though, and that it was important to take it ASAP. It sounds like she's trying to blame it on procedure to deflect it from herself.

Funny how as soon as she got a lawyer, the reason for refusing to give the drug changed.

And the cops that stopped investigating a rape so that they could throw this woman in jail are major asswipes. Like most cops.

swami-on-rye: So if she didn't get pill #2, then that means that someone ELSE gave her pill #1 (nope, there is only one nurse), or they deliberately withheld pill #2.

Article: A doctor gave the woman her first dose of Plan B, the so-called "morning-after pill," soon after the assault Saturday.

Yzziefrog,

maybe she didn't have the money for that?

Maybe she should have put off going to school until she could pay off her legal responsibilities.

It's called prioritization.

Yzziefrog,

She was raped, and the human, decent thing to do was to make sure she got treatment. THEN throw her in the slammer.

That's what they did. They sent her second pill with her to jail, but some bureaucratic screw-up common to jails caused her to not receive it.

Like I said, she's learned a very valuable lesson:

Clear your warrants in a timely manner.

DrewCurtisJr
Ha I got pwned! I actually submitted this story and read a version of it on WFTV. Which maybe left that detail out. Or maybe I have memory problems from huffing Glade.

JuggleGeek, don't blame the patrol/detectives, blame the higher ups in the department: "Officers had been instructed to take those with felony warrants to jail, even if they were victims of serious crimes."

Also, it never said they did not continue to check the crime scene after taking her to jail. Usually the victim is taken away from the crime scene once its identified anyways. She doesn't need to be there for the collection of evidence (latent fingerprints, dirty condoms, foot prints, blood, etc). She is actually the most vital part of the evidence with giving a description, getting DNA with the Rape Kit, etc.

HumbleGod: This is not above and behind the nurse's call of duty.

You got it. In fact, I'd argue that this is exactly the nurse's duty.

Wow, is this America? Are we talking about American Policemen or Iraqi Policemen. These guys are enforcing the laws passed by your elected officials. People you vote for. Are you really ready to shiat on the entire organization of PDs because a few guys didn't handle a rape victim like she was the queen. Feel sure they are conducting an investigation [there are even rules for that] but I'm ready to give em the benifit of support until the investigation is complete, there's your compassion. Fark the left wing media for putting the spin on this crap story. & if you want to see how some people live in a country where there are no laws of protection & security, join the military & see how some of the rest of the world lives. I promise it will change your outlook real quick on living in a country where laws are enforced & criminals are taken off the streets.

If the nurse really was following procedure, and the person in the cell says "Hey, I absolutely need medical attention" for ANY reason, it's her responsiblity to follow through and contact the physician on call, not to decide for herself if an unobvious medical treatment is called for. She failed in her responsibility to both incarerate and protect the incarcerated at the same time. Fire her ass, religous objections or not.

And you gotta wonder where the religous objection story came form anyway. The rape victim in this story got busted because she thought her failure to recompensate felony arrest order was dealt with somehow, something I think I'd make DAMN sure of. She doesn't seem clever enough to start crafting stories out of whole cloth just to get the prison nurse in trouble.

FLYNAVY:
"Remember Cops are the good guys unless you are a criminal."

Ahhh, you must have been out of the country killing brown people for the last 20 years.

swami-on-rye: Ha I got pwned! I actually submitted this story and read a version of it on WFTV. Which maybe left that detail out. Or maybe I have memory problems from huffing Glade.

Not trying to pwned anyone (not really sure what that means). There seemed to be some question from a number of people about how this woman got the pills in the first place.

Did she have the 2nd pill on her when she was taken into custody? I don't know, she probably wasn't planning on spending the next 2 days in jail. Did her mother bring the pill and try to give them to the nurse? Maybe.

Yzziefrog,

I'd ask your opinion of date-rape, but I think there is a good chance I wouldn't like it.

Hey, if you can't afford rufies, you've gotta make do.

muck4doo Bullshiat! That nurse is Christian, and must therefore be a liar. No one wanted on felony warrants ever lies. Neither do women who say they've been raped.

So, the fact that she had a warrant for restitution associated with a juvenile crime, leads you to suggest that she is lying about being raped?

Anyone wonder why so many rapes go unreported?

Once while I was in college, I received a speeding ticket while coming home for the holidays. I thought I had mailed in the money and that was that. Fast forward two years when it’s time to renew my license and I find out I have a warrant out for my arrest. Luckily, the DPS officer was nice enough to drive me to the back so I could do a fund transfer from saving to checking and pay the fine and get it cleared up. Maybe something like this happened to her. Regardless, when they found out she had a warrant; they effectively had her in custody. They could have easily investigated the rape and the scene with her, then take her to jail.

FLYNAVY: If there is a warrent for your arrest then you belong in jail, whether you are a victim or not. They can still gather evidence on the immediate crime but they have rules that have to be followed.

It is obvious that the rules were wrong in this case.

At a minimum, there should be an exception to this rule for people reporting a rape. It is hard enough to get women to report rapes, because of social stigma and a whole lot of other problems.

Other crimes generally don't have the same problem. I've never known anyone who was too embarrassed to call the cops after their house was broken into. It still doesn't seem like a particularly good idea to arrest people reporting burglaries, but I can see that there's a bit of a dilema there. But for people reporting a rape, there's no dilema. Arresting a person for an outstanding warrant, who is reporting a rape, is a Really Bad Idea.

theorellior: Maybe we should just bring back debtor's prison.

Perhaps we should, and reduce the surplus population!

JuggleGeek: And the cops that stopped investigating a rape so that they could throw this woman in jail are major asswipes. Like most cops.

Have you met most cops? I suggest that the random sampling you've taken may not be completely random. Perhaps you're self-selecting the biggest asswipes through invalid testing methodology.

For every story you hear about cops behaving badly, there are thousands of stories you never hear, about cops doing their jobs correctly. I agree that police can get out of hand, and the work attracts its share of authority fetishists and guys 65 years too late for jackboots.

But these guys did what they were supposed to do. There's no need for the woman to hang around the scene of the crime. It's not as if the rapist is going to wander by, reminiscing about that time he raped that girl, and that he'll get away if she's not there to yell, "There he is!"

Should they have let her go? They took her to the hospital for treatment, and when that medical treatment was complete, they took her to jail on her warrants. Some people are up in arms that she was not allowed to speak to a therapist, (didn't she already speak to therapist? if only to say 'stop, please stop') but while therapy is an important part of victim recovery after rape, it is not life-threatening, nor is it vital enough to merit release from the prison cell she earned.

She did not deserve to be raped, of course, nor did she deserve to have some self-righteous nurse with an inflated sense of purpose put her at risk of a rape-baby.

But she did deserve to go to jail. I am empathetic to her plight, and I can see why some people are angry. I don't think she's a career criminal, but her victimhood does not negate her crimes, minor though they are.

Justice is blind, remember? Every case MUST be evaluated on its own merits. If her warrant results in a jury trial, any competent judge will rule mention of the rape inadmissable, since it would prejudice the jury in her favor.

There are three people who acted incorrectly here. The girl, in failing to fulfil her obligations of restitution and repayment for her previous crimes; the nurse, in forcing her morals on someone who was already having a pretty bad day; and of course the rapist.

Yzziefrog: Emotional support and counselling are very important in the immediate aftermath of rape, mainly because victims usually feel guilt about their ordeal.

Isn't this mostly true if the rapist is a family member or friend of the victim. Its hard to imagine that there would be any guilt if you are raped by a stranger while you are walking down the street.