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(St. Petersburg Times)   Police apologize for hauling rape victim off to jail for two days   (sptimes.com) divider line 218
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2007-01-31 11:54:18 AM
Now the nurse who refused her the second part of the emergency contraception dose just needs to be fired and everything will be right with the world.
 
2007-01-31 12:00:09 PM
Pocket Ninja: Now the nurse who refused her the second part of the emergency contraception dose just needs to be fired and everything will be right with the world.

FTA: "On Tuesday, the nurse's attorney said she refused not because of religious objections but because dispensing medication that is not listed on a medical chart violates protocol."

If the jail failed to list the medication on her chart, she's not going to get it, end of story. If it was religious reasons, then yes, I would agree, but if that is accurate, jails don't let you bring your own pills in with you.
 
2007-01-31 12:06:40 PM
Nabb1

I guess I'll go along with that. I was going by the previous article, which seemed to pretty strongly indicate that the nurse did this because of her religious beliefs. Which is inexcusable and should, imo, be a jailable offense in itself.

You would think, though, that if the woman had already been given one dose of the contraception, there would have been some sort of notice accompanying her that she needed the second. Someone farked up.
 
2007-01-31 12:08:51 PM
Also FTA: "All medications are administered to patients as prescribed," said spokeswoman Dana Clay.

She was raped, and was prescribed emergency contraception. I don't understand why the nurse wouldn't give her the second dose.

I don't believe the nurse and I think they are covering their tracks to avoid a nasty law suit.
 
2007-01-31 12:13:27 PM
ExJerseyGirl: I don't believe the nurse and I think they are covering their tracks to avoid a nasty law suit.

Why? It seems the girl's story would be particularly inflammatory, so I can see why she'd claim that. It's a simple matter of checking the patient chart at the jail. If it's in there, that's one thing. If not, well, someone screwed up, but not for the reasons this girl is stating.
 
2007-01-31 12:14:44 PM
I'm also not believing the nurse's story. If the girl had a legitimate prescription for the medication (which it appears she did), it should have been given to her.

If she had been taken to jail with hypertention medication that was properly prescribed to her, I strongly doubt they would have withheld it.
 
2007-01-31 12:18:05 PM
Nabb1

This is also FTA:
McElroy, the police spokeswoman, said Tampa police Officer Lisa Cordero told several jail employees about the woman's situation and specifically told them she needed the medication.

Seems that enough people knew about the medication that if there was some sort of mix-up it should have been resolved pretty quickly.
 
2007-01-31 12:23:07 PM
While an apology was definitely warranted, nothing will make up for the asshatedness of everyone involved.
 
2007-01-31 12:24:17 PM
ExJerseyGirl: Seems that enough people knew about the medication that if there was some sort of mix-up it should have been resolved pretty quickly.

Without documentation from a treating physician, jails aren't going to administer medication. I'm not saying it wasn't a screw-up, but I'm not buying this girl's story. I've seen a lot of problems with medical treatment in jails, and have even been involved in filing writs of mandamus to get inmates medical treatment, but I am extremely skeptical of this girl's accusations.
 
2007-01-31 12:33:13 PM
She remembered there was a Starbucks near the crime scene. They took her to Howard and Swann avenues, police said, but then noticed warrants for unpaid restitution from Sarasota County.

Instead of investigating the scene with the woman, Cordero took her to jail.



Even besides all the other shenanigans, this is unacceptable. There's a rapist loose on the street, and instead of investigating, they leave the scene?
 
2007-01-31 12:42:00 PM
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2007-01-31 01:19:29 PM
Nabb1: Why? It seems the girl's story would be particularly inflammatory, so I can see why she'd claim that. It's a simple matter of checking the patient chart at the jail. If it's in there, that's one thing. If not, well, someone screwed up, but not for the reasons this girl is stating.

The nurse obviously knew what the medication was though, and that it was important to take it ASAP. It sounds like she's trying to blame it on procedure to deflect it from herself.
 
2007-01-31 01:49:17 PM
How is this pill dispensed?

I am assuming it comes with medical paperwork right?

I mean, its not just a pill in a crack sack.
 
2007-01-31 01:49:33 PM
"The nurse obviously knew what the medication was though, and that it was important to take it ASAP. It sounds like she's trying to blame it on procedure to deflect it from herself."

Moreover, the timeline seems to indicate the woman got her first dose of Plan B while she was in custody. From my reading of the article: she is assaulted, placed into custody, then examined by a doctor who does the requisite examination and prescribes her Plan B, Part One; and then taken to jail. I suspect another failing of procedure was the officer not taking the written prescription with her when she took the woman to jail.
 
2007-01-31 02:22:51 PM
Nabb1: I've seen a lot of problems with medical treatment in jails, and have even been involved in filing writs of mandamus to get inmates medical treatment

Are you getting a kick out of most of these replies? (j/k)

At any rate, we have the woman saying that this is what happened, but maybe she's lying. (I'm not sure why she would; after being raped and then immediately thrown in jail on years-old restitution fines, would she think she needs to make people feel sorry for her?) We also have the other police officer who spread word to jail employees to make sure the woman got her medication, but maybe someone along the line screwed up.

It would take both of these "buts" working together to yield the situation you describe--both the employee incompetence and the rape victim lying. Not that this couldn't happen, but it's not incredibly likely either.

On the other hand, medical workers have refused medication to patients for religious reasons in the past. And so far the police department hasn't confirmed that the medication wasn't on her chart, or at least this article doesn't say that it has--this has only been claimed by the nurse's attorney.

The quickest way for the jail to resolve this would be for them to simply check the woman's chart. If it's not on the chart despite repeated warning from a police officer, someone should at least be suspended for incompetence. If it IS on the chart, the next step should be obvious.
 
2007-01-31 02:24:56 PM
The nurse is covering her ass against lawsuit.

You jail a rape victim due to an outstanding non-felony warrant? God, I wish I was a death penalty advocate.
 
2007-01-31 02:25:43 PM
And frankly, if I'm a nurse tending to a rape victim and she's insisting she needs some prescribed birth control administered, I would find a way to figure out if this is the case. There was certainly a paper trail proving that at least a rape claim was filed, and it wouldn't be hard to track down the prescribing doctor and determine if medication was prescribed.

This is not above and behind the nurse's call of duty.
 
2007-01-31 02:37:59 PM
This thread and any other followups are useless unless she turns up pregnant.
 
2007-01-31 02:40:17 PM
Nabb1: I've seen a lot of problems with medical treatment in jails, and have even been involved in filing writs of mandamus to get inmates medical treatment, but I am extremely skeptical of this girl's accusations.

Clearly, she must have wanted to cause this confrontation.

Come on, give me a break.
 
2007-01-31 02:40:23 PM
Thank God! (literally)
 
2007-01-31 02:41:07 PM
Police: Our Bad.
 
2007-01-31 02:41:10 PM
I feel real bad for her for getting raped, but Christ is she gonna be rich after the lawsuit.
 
2007-01-31 02:41:11 PM
Anyone placing odds on this being a generic versus name brand mix up?
 
2007-01-31 02:41:27 PM
Because nurses lie far more often than people who fail to pay restitution.
 
2007-01-31 02:41:50 PM
Well, that should make everything all better now ...

/sarcasm
 
2007-01-31 02:41:58 PM
I would like someone to make some sensationalist religious statements derailing the thread into the evolution/god debates that I love so much.
 
2007-01-31 02:42:16 PM
Wow. Failed policy on so many levels.
 
2007-01-31 02:42:16 PM
She remembered there was a Starbucks near the crime scene

That's what they had to go on?

That's like saying "there was a tree near the crime scene"
 
2007-01-31 02:42:51 PM
Polyhazard beat me to it.
 
2007-01-31 02:42:58 PM
the biggest redneck here
This thread and any other followups are useless unless she turns up pregnant.


I can't even begin to imagine how awful that would be. It would certainly up any settlement amount. But even if she is not pregnant she has a pretty good cause for a lawsuit here, IMO.
 
2007-01-31 02:43:05 PM
This is also FTA:
McElroy, the police spokeswoman, said Tampa police Officer Lisa Cordero told several jail employees about the woman's situation and specifically told them she needed the medication.


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Moreover, the timeline seems to indicate the woman got her first dose of Plan B while she was in custody. From my reading of the article: she is assaulted, placed into custody, then examined by a doctor who does the requisite examination and prescribes her Plan B, Part One; and then taken to jail. I suspect another failing of procedure was the officer not taking the written prescription with her when she took the woman to jail.

=

obvious cover-up by nurse
 
2007-01-31 02:43:45 PM
So, what should the policy be? If you've are a victim of a crime, they should just pretend outstanding warrants don't exist? How long do they have to wait before the warrant is valid again?
 
2007-01-31 02:44:24 PM
"Because nurses lie far more often than people who fail to pay restitution."

The one thing we know, is you should never ever forgive someone for doing something stupid or even wrong, especially when they were juveniles. That way we never have cocaine users or alcoholics getting elected to...

Oh. Wait. Nevermind.
 
2007-01-31 02:45:05 PM
Manfred Richthofen
You jail a rape victim due to an outstanding non-felony warrant?

From the article:
The officer followed police procedure, McElroy said. Officers had been instructed to take those with felony warrants to jail, even if they were victims of serious crimes.

I appreciate your bile about this issue, but the warrant was for a felony (not paying restitution for felonies committed while she was a minor). It's not much consolation, but this is what sometimes happens when state employees "just follow procedure".

By the same token, "just following procedure" becomes a wonderful safe haven when you just don't feel like making phone calls and filling out paper work -- which is what it sounds like was the case with the jail nurse. At least the officers consulted with a supervisor and asked the "WTF" question about the policy they were to follow.

/hopefully she'll be the last victim treated this way
//she should still eventually face the music for the warrant
 
2007-01-31 02:45:43 PM
Nabb1

I dunno man. I have a pretty good bullshiat meter, and when I read that, it started a'clickin'. The nurse has seen those meds before, she knew what they were.
 
2007-01-31 02:46:15 PM

So, what should the policy be? If you've are a victim of a crime, they should just pretend outstanding warrants don't exist? How long do they have to wait before the warrant is valid again?


I think an investigation of the crime scene isn't too far out of the question.
 
2007-01-31 02:46:38 PM
BLoginspanken You serve the warrant. But you do so after getting the victim treatment and properly dealing with the crime at hand.
 
2007-01-31 02:46:44 PM
Bloginspanken

No, I imagine the proper and more respectable action that took into account her physical and mental well-being would have been one where the officers took her to a clinic for treatment prior to her detention in a jail cell.
 
2007-01-31 02:47:40 PM
Dan'l Poone's Number One Rule for calling the Police/

1. Don't.
 
2007-01-31 02:48:27 PM
Bloginspankin

So, what should the policy be? If you've are a victim of a crime, they should just pretend outstanding warrants don't exist? How long do they have to wait before the warrant is valid again?


How about you create a more reasonable policy?

"It became very clear that our policy is flawed," she said of the incident. From now on, officers will notify a shift commander or another high-ranking officer and explain the situation, McElroy said. The officers will be able to use discretion, rather than following a general rule.

 
2007-01-31 02:49:20 PM
Jumping into thread without reading thread:

It would have been better, and more satisfying, if those who were directly responsible had to actually go to this young woman and apologize personally, not assuage their guilt through the Mayor and a Police Department spokesperson. That's a lot of horsepoop.

/spits and walks off
 
2007-01-31 02:49:21 PM
Everyone is guilty - it is time to pull off the belt and slap some asses around.

I would have loved to be in the next cell gang raped by staight cops that right before cu##ing would take a bullet to their head.

This will be news until Friday. damn tampa cops
 
2007-01-31 02:49:31 PM
Any nurse who says "Sorry, it's not on your chart." should be fired. A reasonable delay in administering the prescription until it can be verified by a doctor would be acceptable, but a refusal and no attempt to verify? Imagine if you were on a life saving prescription (probably not the case here unless there are medical complications if she gets pregnant)and some nurse refused to give you your pills or even check with a doctor.
 
2007-01-31 02:50:05 PM
Plan B pills aren't really something you carry around with you "just in case". If she was arrested after calling in the rape, then the pills would have been prescribed at the jail. You can prescribe the first dose without the second.
 
2007-01-31 02:50:50 PM
A nurse can't prescribe medication. If it wasn't on the chart of meds to dispense, it would have been flat out illegal for her to do it, whether it was right or not. If her story is true, it was someone else's fark up, and to blame her is just wrong.
 
2007-01-31 02:51:18 PM
not true. Emergency contraceptives ae available through the pharmacy and thus she may very well have been arrested before she had a chance to take the second dose.
 
2007-01-31 02:52:27 PM
Awe I screwed it up...
CAN'T prescribe the first without the second
 
2007-01-31 02:52:48 PM
I'm more appalled that a nurse wouldn't know that the morning-after pill is birth control, not abortion. Unless she's catholic, she's an ingorant ass. (if she is catholic, she's just ignorant)


/jk on the last part there.
 
2007-01-31 02:53:12 PM
When hospitals will pay top dollar for nurses and give them bonuses, short weeks, student loan forgiveness and paid medical out the wazzoo can you imagine the quality of nurse that chooses. to work in a jail? A FLORIDA jail?

A jail/ prison is a place where we put the incompetent. Some of them have keys.
 
2007-01-31 02:54:18 PM
Her juvenile record should not have been directly accessible to the police in the first place.

/she is going to get so rich
/so many things to sue about
/she will so win
 
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