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2007-01-26 10:54:07 AM  
i wonder how archie feels about peyton at this point.
 
2007-01-26 11:04:50 AM  
In a complete coincidence, I'm jealous of the Colts for drafting the right Manning.

/Giants fan
 
2007-01-26 11:30:35 AM  
damageddude: In a complete coincidence, I'm jealous of the Colts for drafting the right Manning.

/Giants fan


Should've taken grossman when you had the chance.
 
2007-01-26 11:40:08 AM  
I listened to him on his weekly interview on 1050 ESPN. I laughed when he called the roughing call against Peyton complete bull, but he would certainly take it if it was called in his favor.
 
2007-01-26 11:42:23 AM  
Here's a legit question. If Eli becomes an actual bust for the Giants, would that supplant Ryan Leaf from his number 1 spot on the biggest draft bust of all time?
 
2007-01-26 11:45:57 AM  
drunk_bouncnbaloruber

No, nothing will ever tarnish that legendary lapse in brain activity. The Mario Williams/Reggie Bush draft bust ranks close to it though.
 
2007-01-26 11:48:02 AM  
drunk_bouncnbaloruber

Here's a legit question. If Eli becomes an actual bust for the Giants, would that supplant Ryan Leaf from his number 1 spot on the biggest draft bust of all time?

I don't think so. He's had moderate success, insomuch as the Giants have at least been involved in the playoff hunt. Leaf was a disaster from the beginning, on and off the field.
 
2007-01-26 11:48:28 AM  
drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Here's a legit question. If Eli becomes an actual bust for the Giants, would that supplant Ryan Leaf from his number 1 spot on the biggest draft bust of all time?

No I think Vick should fill that void nicely. I would gladly trade Vick for Eli.
 
2007-01-26 11:51:16 AM  
Vick got quite a few touchdowns, and at least houston found demeco ryans to make up for williams (who could still pan out) but ryan leaf will always top the list of biggest bust ever.
 
2007-01-26 11:54:40 AM  
drunk_bouncnbaloruber
Here's a legit question. If Eli becomes an actual bust for the Giants, would that supplant Ryan Leaf from his number 1 spot on the biggest draft bust of all time?

it depends on the definition of "bust." if high expectations and mediocre/not-bad-but-not-good results falls within your definition of "bust," then no. if you expect eli to get worse - much, much, much, much worse - then the answer to your question is maybe.

it will be hard for anybody to be a bigger bust than ryan leaf. most quarterbacks with any ability would have to try to play as badly as he did, and he was a loudmouthed douchebag to boot. he was like the perfect storm of suck.

eli, as mediocre as he currently is, is entire universes better than leaf. FWIW, he played pretty well in his playoff game, so that might bode well for his future.
 
2007-01-26 12:19:40 PM  
that is so taken out of context. He rather be working on his own studies in hopes of finding his own superbowl ring rather than standing there being cheerleader for his brother who has YET to receive his own superbowl ring...

Peyton still has to win it you know.... People don't remember that you played in the superbowl, they remember you only if you win it....

//Sorry Marino.
 
2007-01-26 12:23:24 PM  
"I know I won't want to be shaking hands with people congratulating me about Peyton. I'll want to be in the hotel studying film and getting ready to prepare to play for the championship."
-- Eli Manning



now i am no expert, but you need to win in order to prepare for your championship game... unless the mannings have a madden bowl scheduled....
 
2007-01-26 12:30:12 PM  
Eli jealous of brother Peyton. Obvious tag blows up throws untimely interception
 
2007-01-26 12:35:28 PM  
I'm not sure I understand why Eli is jealous. I mean he's lost 2 of his playoff games... is he jealous that Peyton has lost 4 more playoff games than him? Or is he jealous that he hasn't had the chances to choke in the REALLY big games

/not a manning fan
//although I might be a Ricky Manning fan on SB Sunday
 
2007-01-26 12:45:54 PM  
cheeseanvil The Mario Williams/Reggie Bush draft bust ranks close to it though.

Ah, no, taking Williams over Young makes more sense. Plus Williams isn't so much a bust as he was a blunder.
 
2007-01-26 12:57:44 PM  
eli isn't necessarily a bust, but he's not great either. i've seen a few authors list his stats next to kerry collins', and they're strikingly similar. they're both mediocre QBs, just that collins got less credit than he deserved, and eli gets too much.

as for vick, he is definitely not the biggest draft bust, but trading him for LT has to hurt atlanta fans. either way, vick put himself in the history books when he beat green bay in lambeau a few years back. just get him a legitimate receiver and things will be fine - look at crumpler, he's not bad at all.

the biggest draft bust has to be leaf. mario williams can't compare because not only would he have to suck so horribly, but reggie bush has to get better too. leaf was taken over peyton manning - i don't care if he's never one the big game, he's 92-52 as a starter, with the second highest QB rating of all time (steve young).
 
2007-01-26 01:04:53 PM  
the biggest draft bust has to be leaf. mario williams can't compare because not only would he have to suck so horribly, but reggie bush has to get better too. leaf was taken over peyton manning - i don't care if he's never one the big game, he's 92-52 as a starter, with the second highest QB rating of all time (steve young).

Yup. It also says something when the Manning-bashers hold him solely responsible for the Colts not making a Super Bowl. You have to be pretty damn good for people to even have that conversation about you. Take away Manning, and the Colts aren't even a playoff team.

As for Eli, he's basically an average 2nd-year NFL quarterback. He just plays under a microscope owing to being in New York and being "the other guy" from arguably the greatest football family of all time. You can't call that the "greatest draft bust of all time" when there are so many guys at the top of the draft who don't even have starting jobs after 2 years.
 
2007-01-26 01:13:46 PM  
Look how close the Giants got to the Superbowl!

That should keep the fans happy for another year.
 
2007-01-26 01:23:29 PM  
Biggest draft bust? Hmmm there have been too many just to pick one, so perhaps it's time to form the all bust team?

QB Ryan Leaf
RB Ki-Jana Carter
OT Tony Mandarich
LB Brian Bosworth

eh, bored already. Someone else want to take over nominations?
 
2007-01-26 01:34:04 PM  
Eli needs to man up and think about how his brother Cooper feels about not even having an NFL career.
 
2007-01-26 02:17:38 PM  
Robert Gallery
 
2007-01-26 02:20:46 PM  
WOW, I haven't heard the name Ki-Jana Carter in years. Capn wins.
 
2007-01-26 02:30:10 PM  

2007-01-26 11:42:23 AM drunk_bouncnbaloruber

Here's a legit question. If Eli becomes an actual bust for the Giants, would that supplant Ryan Leaf from his number 1 spot on the biggest draft bust of all time?


Unless Eli totally collapses and becomes a completely worse player, I don't see that ever happening. He isn't even close to being one of the worst #1 drafts, much less Ryan Leaf.

The Eli Manning TRADE that happened might be fairly embarassing (although it is still a little early to tell), but just drafting him #1 isn't.

People like to rag on him, but lets be realistic here. Eli is still young yet has managed to lead the giants to one division title and one wild card spot. His quarterback rating tends to hover in the 7th to 14th range during the season, which is to say he is not one of the worst starting quarterbacks at all.

This year was the last year he got to keep the "young" tag though. Now he has to step up more.
 
2007-01-26 02:36:17 PM  
I'd also add that anyone who followed the Giants this year would know that it was the defense that fell apart (due to injuries, bad coaching and just sucking) and was the major reason they went 8-8.

If the defense had played even okay during the Titans game they would have won that and if the defense had stepped up their game and let the giants keep the lead they had during the final minutes of either the cowboys or eagles game they would have won the division. And if the defense had played a little better during the playoff game, they would have made the second round (and lost I'm sure)

and then we'd probably be talking about how great Eli was becoming, despite him not playing any differently.
 
2007-01-26 02:40:29 PM  

2007-01-26 12:57:44 PM homarjr
the biggest draft bust has to be leaf. mario williams can't compare because not only would he have to suck so horribly, but reggie bush has to get better too. leaf was taken over peyton manning - i don't care if he's never one the big game, he's 92-52 as a starter, with the second highest QB rating of all time (steve young).


I agree with what you are saying but just FYI leaf was not taking over Manning. Manning was #1 pick and Leaf was #2 (by the Chargers)
 
2007-01-26 02:40:55 PM  
 
2007-01-26 02:59:20 PM  
Bill Frist
I'd also add that anyone who followed the Giants this year would know that it was the defense that fell apart (due to injuries, bad coaching and just sucking) and was the major reason they went 8-8.

the injuries played a role, but let's be fair... tim lewis wasn't any buddy ryan, and the secondary was filled with dumb, slow losers like demps and mcquarters.

hopefully that all starts to change with spagnuolo, but remaking a defense in one offseason is tough to pull off.
 
2007-01-26 03:01:09 PM  
Bill Frist

just as an addendum (in case it wasn't clear), I agree with you - the defense was the fall of that team.
 
2007-01-26 03:17:02 PM  
Yeah, like I said bad coaching and just sucking were a problem too. Tim Lewis really screwed up, having a system based entirely on the starters that worked and then not changing it when he lost teh starters and it stopped working.
 
2007-01-26 03:18:26 PM  
Bill Frist: I'd also add that anyone who followed the Giants this year would know that it was the defense that fell apart (due to injuries, bad coaching and just sucking) and was the major reason they went 8-8.

There's a really good article on bigblueinteractive.com stating that the Giants making the playoffs despite being 20th in the league in "player-starts lost due to injury" was quite a feat. For two years now they've had a streak of injuries that's hard to believe. Some of that is in choosing players who are fragile (or over the hill), but their luck has to change next year, doesn't it?
 
2007-01-26 03:23:09 PM  
haplo53: the injuries played a role, but let's be fair... tim lewis wasn't any buddy ryan, and the secondary was filled with dumb, slow losers like demps and mcquarters.

Absolutely true, but when the injuries are concentrated on your pass rushers, like they were with the Giants (Strahan, Osi, Tuck, Arrington) your secondary is going to be exposed no matter who's out there.
 
2007-01-26 04:04:47 PM  
Ryan Leaf told me to come in here and tell you guys to STOP TALKING ABOUT HIM, ALL RIGHT?? KNOCK IT OFF!!
 
2007-01-26 04:26:28 PM  
taylonr: /not a manning fan
//although I might be a Ricky Manning fan on SB Sunday


Don't forget Daniel Manning, Jr.
 
2007-01-26 05:38:58 PM  
I'd like to hear a "Manning picks off Manning" call. You know the announcers are dying to let that one rip.

/even better, Manning throws and it's PICKED OFF by Manning, who laterals to manning who runs down to the 5 before he's forced out of bounds by Manning.

//maybe THIS is the manning bowl (and not that SNF game earlier in the year

///how many kids did Archie have anyway :)
 
2007-01-26 06:05:48 PM  
"But Daaaaad, Peyton got to go to the Super Bowl!" Thanksgiving must be interesting for the Mannings.
 
2007-01-26 06:06:29 PM  
Bill Frist
I agree with what you are saying but just FYI leaf was not taking over Manning. Manning was #1 pick and Leaf was #2 (by the Chargers)

yeah, you're right. my mistake. but it was a debate all off season over who should have been #1 between the two, which in hindsight, is more ridiculous than taking williams over bush, and possibly more ridiculous than anything ever.

manning and leaf are polar opposites.

/but what if.....
//manning and LT?....wow
 
2007-01-26 08:16:07 PM  
nfl.imageg.net
 
2007-01-26 08:17:31 PM  
Who's worse -- Ryan Leaf, or Jeff frickin George?
 
2007-01-27 12:38:10 AM  
The NaSkAr:

Oh man, that (or the corresponding Colts hat image, presuming there is one) is going to be hilarious once the game's over
 
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