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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Utah's only openly gay senator calls his anti-anti-sodomy law conservative, conservative lawmakers to give stiff opposition   (sltrib.com) divider line 320
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2007-01-25 04:55:18 PM  
If you want to get the government out of your life, overthrow the motherfarker.
 
2007-01-25 04:56:05 PM  
Is the Utah sexual goofiness trifeca in play?
 
2007-01-25 05:04:54 PM  
I've never seen a legitimate arguement against sodomy other than "I think it's gross."

/All the other ones that I've seen have been "morals" (which law is not, contrary to popular belief, based upon) or "disease" (for which purpose the condom was invented, and is widely available for).
 
2007-01-25 05:08:44 PM  
By "legitimate," I mean "apparently honest."

/And really, if "it's gross" is enough reason to outlaw something, then why the hell haven't we banished Paris Hilton to Australia yet?
 
2007-01-25 05:16:11 PM  
There's a gay senator in UTAH? What's next - a member of Focus on the Family in the Vermont legislature?
 
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2007-01-25 05:17:22 PM  
Even Massachusetts can't get the votes to legalize sodomy. Or abortion, which is also a crime.
 
2007-01-25 05:22:03 PM  
muninsfire: By "legitimate," I mean "apparently honest."

This is not my perspective, but the general argument is this: many (if not most) of our laws are about enforcing morality, despite the fact that there is no single moral code for the nation. The same way you have activities like vulgarity and nudity legislated, you can legislate behavior like sodomy as immoral.

I find this argument somewhat foolish, but at least it's not hypocritical. I don't think private activity w/ no victim is reasonably within the reach of the law, but remember that many opponents of sodomy believe that there is always someone being injured by sodomy.

After all, if you believe that is harming the person being anally or orally penetrated, then there is a victim (despite their claim of wanting to do it). Like all paternalistic behavior, these sort of laws are saying "I know what's good for you."
 
2007-01-25 05:22:42 PM  
Nothing wrong with the back pussy.

/sorry
 
2007-01-25 05:29:04 PM  
mattharvest: despite the fact that there is no single moral code for the nation.

That, right there, is why I note that in a nation where all people are presumed to be equal, and which has a heterogenous background, you cannot have morality-based laws.

The only time that morality-based laws are just and fair are in a homogenous theocracy--where the moral code is the law, and the arbitors of the moral code are the lawmakers.

If there is no practical reason for there to be a law in a heterogenously-derived society, then said law should not exist.
 
2007-01-25 05:30:42 PM  
muninsfire: I've never seen a legitimate arguement against sodomy other than "I think it's gross."


It doesn't even matter at this point. The law is unconstitutional on its face and has been for several years (since Lawrence v. Texas). Only the clown-shoes Utah legislature would go to the mat trying to maintain an unconstitutional and unenforceable law.

In this morning's Salt Lake Tribune there was great irony in that this story was right next to one about how a committee killed a bill mandating child booster seats in cars because it "interfered" with people's lives.
 
2007-01-25 05:32:43 PM  
Abagadro: In this morning's Salt Lake Tribune there was great irony in that this story was right next to one about how a committee killed a bill mandating child booster seats in cars because it "interfered" with people's lives.

Sounds like the editor has a sense of humour.
 
2007-01-25 05:37:41 PM  
damnstraight.oversampled.net
Utah State Sen. Scott McCoy

/The guy clearly has a sense of humor
//probably hard to keep while being gay in Utah
 
2007-01-25 05:39:37 PM  
FTFAapplies to heterosexual individuals with equal force

word.
 
2007-01-25 05:39:39 PM  
LyleDAL: The guy clearly has a sense of humor

Yup. Scott is a really great guy. That phrase (with a ?) was uttered by the very Sen. Buttars quoted in TFA upon learning that Scott was appointed to the seat.
 
2007-01-25 06:09:03 PM  
Wait, some states still have anti-sodomy laws? Do they have electricity and running water there?
 
2007-01-25 07:23:18 PM  
Keep the government out of our bedrooms

Whatever two or more consenting adults do behind closed-door shouldn't be subject to any kind of legislations by the government. If they want to exchange money as well for such acts, so be it. The government shouldn't get involved (except, well, for tax purposes, I guess, if there is in fact exchange of money-for-service)
 
2007-01-25 07:26:20 PM  
muninsfire: I've never seen a legitimate arguement against sodomy other than "I think it's gross."

"I'm against male-to-male Sodomy because the Bible says it's wrong" is a valid and legitimate argument against sodomy

However

It is a valid and legitimate personal argument against Sodomy and your views on it. It's absolutely not a legitimate argument to induce a legislation against it as to make it illegal
 
2007-01-25 07:37:18 PM  
Utah, rushing head-long into the 19th Century.

/escapee from behind the Zion Curtain
 
2007-01-25 07:37:42 PM  
Gauge taught me that I'm pretty OK with sodomoy.
 
2007-01-25 07:38:43 PM  
mattharvest: I don't think private activity w/ no victim is reasonably within the reach of the law

Prostitution?
 
2007-01-25 07:40:01 PM  
The headline needs a semicolon. Ow, my brain.
 
2007-01-25 07:40:56 PM  
I fear this thread is gonna make my brown eye blue.
 
2007-01-25 07:41:06 PM  
"Whosoever shall be guilty of ... Sodomy with man or woman, shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting through the cartilage of her nose, a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least." ~ Thomas Jefferson.
 
2007-01-25 07:41:17 PM  
www.gravypants.com
 
2007-01-25 07:43:22 PM  
How many openly gay senators are there? Isn't Utah ahead of the curve on this one?
 
2007-01-25 07:43:56 PM  
SkinnyHead: ~ Thomas Jefferson.

I really wished I hadn't googled it and discovered it was a real quote
 
2007-01-25 07:44:55 PM  
Sodom Chamber of Commerce unavailable for comment, or larger photo.
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2007-01-25 07:45:10 PM  
Utah has always gone to great lengths to ensure that marriage is only between a man and women.
 
2007-01-25 07:45:12 PM  
I bet all the other male senators are tired of him hitting on them. thats all those type's ever do is try to find a way into a straight mans pants.
 
2007-01-25 07:45:44 PM  
Naturally you would expect Utah to have a large gay population...what with the mormons taking all the women.
 
2007-01-25 07:47:42 PM  
Farkin' old rich men supposedly want to please their invisible man in the sky so they can go up to 'hebben'. Somehow, they've translated their ancient holy text into Gawd hates teh buttsecks.

The real reason is because those decrepit ol' wastes of oygen can't get it up so they get their jollies trying to control other's sex lives.

Old rich men are THE WORST choice to run one's country.
 
2007-01-25 07:48:52 PM  
According to the article, several states still have laws on the books banning mouth whoopie. Cross those off my map next time I'm house-hunting.
 
2007-01-25 07:48:56 PM  
The bill, released for the first time on Wednesday, is largely symbolic because the U.S. Supreme Court already struck down anti-sodomy laws more than three years ago.

www.borked.us
 
2007-01-25 07:49:00 PM  
Typical politician. Always taking it up the ass.
 
2007-01-25 07:49:22 PM  
"Obviously we are not going to prosecute them anyway" -Paul Boyden

So, let's keep it on the books so some asshat tries to enforce it some time down the line. Laws should not be selectively enforced. If it's unconstitutional, it needs to be removed.

Keeping the law on the books allows for unconstitutional charges that lead to wasted money for taxpayers and the people charged.

Five'll get you ten there's a group that's trying to get that ruling overturned and he's stalling to see if they can succeed.

/Queue the buttseks? pics.
 
2007-01-25 07:51:26 PM  
They should come down hard on this kind of behaviour, the law might pass through the backdoor after only a bit of oralising.
 
2007-01-25 07:52:20 PM  
SkinnyHead: "Whosoever shall be guilty of ... Sodomy with man or woman, shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting through the cartilage of her nose, a hole of one half inch in diameter at the least." ~ Thomas Jefferson.

Lemme guess... the Jefferson Bible?
 
2007-01-25 07:53:07 PM  
Old rich men are THE WORST choice to run one's country.

And yet they're the only ones qualified for the job. It's another indicator of living in a fundamentally flawed universe. Strength (be it political or otherwise), is antithetical to mercy, compassion or any sort of respect earned through understanding.

The most ruthless will always rise to the top and take charge, and those are also the ones most likely to refuse to acknowledge any views other than their own.

Kinda sucks.
 
2007-01-25 07:56:36 PM  
Now I find teh buttsecks abhorrant as a personal choice but how can the government possibly presume to judge what two consenting adults do behind closed doors? And if they pull out the Bible to justify it then they need to be impeached immediatly.
 
2007-01-25 07:57:01 PM  
muninsfire: I've never seen a legitimate argument against sodomy other than "I think it's gross."

I think you could say that about everything other than murder and robbery.

Why is necrophilia wrong? 'cos it's gross.

Why is it wrong for a McDonalds' employee to pee on the food? 'cos it's gross.

But I agree with Tatsuma: there's a difference between what is wrong and what should be illegal.

Is it wrong for people to insult each other? Of course. The world would be a better place if no one did it. Should it be illegal? Hell, no.
 
2007-01-25 07:57:54 PM  
I summon Browncock!

/Someone needs to make a card for him
 
2007-01-25 07:58:08 PM  
Ok will everyone PLEASE stop thinking that Mormons are polygamists? The ones that do that today are wackos (aka Warren Jeffs) that have nothing to do with the Mormon religion. Honestly, get an education people...
 
2007-01-25 07:58:54 PM  
darkyn: Wait, some states still have anti-sodomy laws?

Yes, but there's a Federal Law that bans such laws.
 
2007-01-25 08:00:11 PM  
pepelocoWhy is it wrong for a McDonalds' employee to pee on the food? 'cos it's gross.

Uh, I can see some health issues with that one.
 
2007-01-25 08:00:30 PM  
Haha there are ridiculous laws floating around that ban people from spitting on the sidewalk. This senator is just an attention whore.

/Utahn
 
2007-01-25 08:01:26 PM  
as distinguished from Utah's non-openly gay senator ?
 
2007-01-25 08:01:52 PM  
Haha there are ridiculous laws floating around that ban people from spitting on the sidewalk. This senator is just an attention whore


How about spitting on the senator?
 
2007-01-25 08:02:44 PM  
0100010: Keeping the law on the books allows for unconstitutional charges that lead to wasted money for taxpayers and the people charged.

Five'll get you ten there's a group that's trying to get that ruling overturned and he's stalling to see if they can succeed.


It's probably true. There are still several states that have outright abortion bans on the books just waiting for the day that Roe gets overturned.

America, land of the free...sheeya, right.
 
2007-01-25 08:03:16 PM  
mattharvest: I don't think private activity w/ no victim is reasonably within the reach of the law

No victim? Then you're doing it wrong.
 
2007-01-25 08:03:57 PM  
I'm with 0100010 on this one.

if everyone agrees it's unconstitutional then it should take just a day to take it off the books and then the gay senator will get no more attention. Everybody wins, right ?


right ?
 
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