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(AP)   This one time at band camp, a high school principal allowed his high school band to be the opening act for Ludacris. Until one asshat parent emails some of his lyrics to the principal   (hosted.ap.org ) divider line
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2007-01-25 12:47:07 PM  
Everything that Ludacris stands for and talks about is specifically against (the) code of conduct in Fayette County Public Schools,"

Yeah, especially that song from his second album entitled, "nubianz all run don't walk in the hallways of Fayette County Public Schools."
 
2007-01-25 12:47:44 PM  
drkdstryer: So you're saying that you also didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of satisfying her? : P

Nah. I compared favorably. Just pointing out that he chose the wrong instrument section to date from.

TheRealKlaatu: He isn't the worst ever, so I guess we agree on that.

Hell, I've seen worse on Fark. Guy's sheltered.

JaredSeth: By bad, I presume you mean good?

*shrug* Either way, it's not the "best ever" or the "worst ever", so someone saying that shouldn't be taken seriously.

larrimo: I WIN TEH THREAD.

What did you do to win the thread? I see you made an ad-hominem attack or two, but that doesn't really mean anything...
 
2007-01-25 12:48:07 PM  
larrimo: I WIN TEH THREAD.

HANDS DOWN


You trippin' foo'! I done winsed all up in h'rr. I'll bust a cap in yo crazy cracka'* ass!

*checks profile, "Larry", "cracka" deemed appropriate
 
2007-01-25 12:48:09 PM  
I've lived in Lexington my whole life, and I went to Bryan Station for two years. It is, for lack of a more comfortable term, smack in the middle of da ghetto. You learn more there about why you should carry a gun to public school than biology or chemistry. I was amazed a Bryan Station parent would actually take offense to ol' Luda.
 
2007-01-25 12:51:11 PM  
Needs more Alyson Hannigon pics
 
2007-01-25 12:52:30 PM  
Gecko Gingrich: I'm well aware of that, but older lyrics that are just as "offensive" show that this isn't a new phenomena, and therefore this is nothing more than a tempest in a teapot. ;)

Yeah, but older Metal lyrics from the 70's tended to be either about the eternal revolving circle of your love, or yeah,let's go! or cartoonish violence sturm und drang. The 80's were all about figuring out Satan, and all of his glories, and doing it better than whatever Dio was currently doing. I use him as the median vocalist of the 80's, because I see him as the shadowy figure of the decade, always in the background, pulling strings, making deals, controlling all of Metaldom. I have no idea about metal from there on in, because I quit associating with people who listened to it on a regular basis. That sounds harsher than it is. I just moved on is all.

/Mob Rules is the riff of the 80's. Discuss.
 
2007-01-25 12:54:23 PM  
The vilest thing he's ever read? We should send him a copy of Chaucer's "The Miller's Tale"
 
2007-01-25 12:55:54 PM  
Hrm.

I would like to propose MuninsFire's Hypothesis of Internet Thread Winning:

No person may declare him or herself the thread winner; such a declaration must come from a third party.

As a corollary:

Any person who declares him or herself a thread winner shall be granted "thread loser" status upon making such a declaration.

/Anyone want to help me out with the research, and the experimental methodology?
 
2007-01-25 12:58:16 PM  
Damn, I was jus' playin' grl. No needs to gets all philosiphicals an' shait.
 
2007-01-25 01:00:13 PM  
Good: Being the opening act for a mainstream concert.
Bad: Being the opening act for a rap concert.
Worse: Being the open act for a rap concert and realizing it.
 
2007-01-25 01:00:47 PM  
shipofthesun

/Mob Rules is the riff of the 80's. Discuss.

And Heaven and Hell is the best Sabbath album.

/DIO!
 
2007-01-25 01:01:08 PM  
Hey, WarZone.

Plenty of people still listen to GWAR.
 
2007-01-25 01:01:30 PM  
Farkers are incredible hypocrites when it comes to rap. They try to pass it off as if their hatred of rap wasn't based on racism or what they perceive as "the black culture" but when they start badmouthing Ludacris (Who was more or less the class clown of rap until his most recent record) it becomes pretty obvious.

His whole shtick could be compared to the "I'd hit it (and this is how)" cliche that comprised about 40% of the website, except he does it with a beat behind him and he's more clever (if also more explicit) about how he says it.
 
2007-01-25 01:03:16 PM  
CaptainBeer: The vilest thing he's ever read? We should send him a copy of Chaucer's "The Miller's Tale"

I'm actually thinking about James The Turning of the Screw(and no, those of you without a college lit class, it's not about what you think). It's one of the vilest things I've ever read, only because of it's cloying irritation. I thought I was going to actually fall asleep reading that nightmare of a Victorian soap opera masquerading as a ghost story.
 
2007-01-25 01:03:41 PM  
members.aol.com
 
2007-01-25 01:05:20 PM  
rummonkey: And Heaven and Hell is the best Sabbath album.

I *will* stab you. :)
 
2007-01-25 01:07:29 PM  
Really, Scumdog42?

I don't know anybody that really listens to GWAR. They just go to their ridiculously fun live shows.
 
2007-01-25 01:09:27 PM  
muninsfire

I would like to propose MuninsFire's Hypothesis of Internet Thread Winning:

No person may declare him or herself the thread winner; such a declaration must come from a third party.

As a corollary:

Any person who declares him or herself a thread winner shall be granted "thread loser" status upon making such a declaration.

/Anyone want to help me out with the research, and the experimental methodology?



Fair enough...

It takes effect as of now.
 
2007-01-25 01:10:55 PM  
SDRR
Answered above.

2007-01-25 12:20:48 PM Chiggity Chza


The_Driver

This may have been a once in a lifetime opportunity for these students to perform with a platinum selling music artist. If I had one chance to meet Ludacris, Fat Joe, Vanilla Ice, Rage, Korn, Janis Joplin and/or any famous artist and some self righteous parent blows it for me and my friends then he falls into the category of asshat



/Smitty, submitard, subtard, submitter
//Also, why was it agreed to in the first place. Someone should have taken their head out of their ass before agreeing to do the show with Luda if the lyrics are so bad.
///These are high schoolers and have already been exposed to STD's. myspace pages and school-shootings that a far more worse than Luda's lyrics.
 
2007-01-25 01:12:06 PM  
I consider myself a Sabbath expert (even the Tony Martin years). Here's my top 3 Sabbath albums.
1.Vol. 4
2.Heaven & Hell
3.Black Sabbath
 
2007-01-25 01:12:29 PM  
judan


"I would like to thank Ludacris for the having the courage to tell us to shake our ass, but the wisdom to tell us to watch ourselves!"

That was Mystikal.

Ludacris lyrics inappropriate for high school students? Nonsense! Every young man should be told "sit back and watch the women get drunk as hell / so I can wake up in the morning with a story to tell".

If you've never done that, you've never been to a frat party, a club, or anywhere outside the basement.

/Yeah I'm probably his #3 fan
//Only bang in bed, and it's never a gang situation
 
2007-01-25 01:15:07 PM  
Ludacris is one of the few rappers that I can actually listen to. Some of his stuff I like. The rest of it can get tossed onto the same fire with 6-Pack, $0.50, Snoop-Deputy-Dogg, and Piggly-Wiggly.

/lawn.off.now
 
2007-01-25 01:18:20 PM  
rummonkey: And Heaven and Hell is the best Sabbath album.

/DIO!


See, I think the little midget is actually evil. Hevean and Hell could very well be the best Sabbath album, I didn't listen to them a lot, I just know Mob Rules and other selected songs. All my friends in High School were either stoners or rivetheads, or both, so I was familiar with the local rock station, all the metal bands of the day, and of course my interests which were wide and far flung in those days. At one point in the 80's I had over 600 cassettes of music (owning a tape manufacturing company and being a Deadhead helped). I still twitch about certain songs that I heard too many times( Another Brick in the Wall being the worst offender) but that was a golden time for metal, when songwriting and the quest for the ultimate riff crossed paths in a glorious time I like to call Metal Lite. Songs with riffs that had hooks, and the songs were tight pop songs with good sounding metal bands playing them. It started to go wrong with bands like Warrant, and spun out of control quickly. The best at this? Van Halen, pre Roth leaving, Def Leppard, Poison, and not surprisingly, Roth solo.

/Goin' Crazy (From the Heat) stomps.
 
2007-01-25 01:19:27 PM  
give me doughnuts

I think Luda is a funny ass rapper. His lyrics are usually good spirited and funny. Videos are even funnier. But I think Tupac is really an artist. IMHO, I feel his talent is umeasurable and can not be compared to gimmicks such as .50 or Ludacris.
 
2007-01-25 01:20:53 PM  
Farkers are incredible hypocrites when it comes to rap. They try to pass it off as if their hatred of rap wasn't based on racism or what they perceive as "the black culture" but when they start badmouthing Ludacris (Who was more or less the class clown of rap until his most recent record) it becomes pretty obvious.


I can't talk for others, but I am no racist, sir. If I were I wouldn't consider B.B. King a living legend, for instance.

But then again... B.B. King isn't really "Black"... I mean, he never sang anything about going around da hood shooting people and getting bjs from his hoes, like Black people are supposed to do, according to most rappers.


/yeah, racism doesn't always come from outside.
//Likes Blues, Reggae. Hates Rap.
 
2007-01-25 01:21:50 PM  
judan: Ludacris lyrics inappropriate for high school students? Nonsense! Every young man should be told "sit back and watch the women get drunk as hell / so I can wake up in the morning with a story to tell".

They should listen to wholesome country music. Artists like Joe Nichols and his wholesome song, "Tequila makes her clothes fall off."

SHE DON'T MEAN NOTHING
SHE'S JUST HAVING FUN
TOMORROW SHE'LL SAY
OH WHAT HAVE I DONE
HER FRIENDS WILL JOKE ABOUT THE STUFF SHE LOST
CAUSE TEQUILA MAKES HER CLOTHES FALL OFF


I mean, it's completely different. Rap music is vile filth that sets a bad example. Country music is just good fun.
 
2007-01-25 01:21:52 PM  
I love how Farkers will take any chance to bash educators.

Ludacris IS NOT school appropriate, and when some of you grow up, get married, and have children of your own, you will understand what the adults in this thread are talking about. Until then, I guess it's cool to fight the man...

If the school banned a religious leader from speaking, I'm sure the same people would be praising the principal. You can't have it both ways. If something is offensive to people, it's out. You can't have a rapper with offensive lyrics at a school, even if he cleans up his act for that show. Would the school be ok with a porn star, even if he/she wasn't performing sexual acts? Probably not.
 
2007-01-25 01:23:28 PM  
I just feel bad for the kids. Think of the amazing claims they could make, and then back up.

Hell, I still pull out the story that I was able to sing with the Minnesota State Orchestra to try to impress people. Imagine opening for Ludacris.

Insane.

And this back and forth argument has grown childish. Conservative people will over react to anything they don't like, and people who like rap or don't have an issue with it will be immature assholes to conservative. It's a fun cycle.

Why can't we all just get along and share hugs?

-Paul
 
2007-01-25 01:24:53 PM  
Jose628: I can't talk for others, but I am no racist, sir. If I were I wouldn't consider B.B. King a living legend, for instance.

But then again... B.B. King isn't really "Black"... I mean, he never sang anything about going around da hood shooting people and getting bjs from his hoes, like Black people are supposed to do, according to most rappers.


See, he's not a racist. He's got lots of black friends.
 
2007-01-25 01:26:52 PM  
trfcrugby: You can't have a rapper with offensive lyrics at a school,

He wasn't going to be performing at the school. The school band was going to be opening for his concert, which was going to be set elsewhere.

/Persecution: Not yours.
 
2007-01-25 01:28:19 PM  
I would expect the same at my son's school. Should have been more research before the show was finalized, though. The lyrics are (or should be) contrary to what the school is trying to do.
 
2007-01-25 01:29:13 PM  
trfcrugby: Ludacris IS NOT school appropriate, and when some of you grow up, get married, and have children of your own, you will understand what the adults in this thread are talking about. Until then, I guess it's cool to fight the man...

33, married, trying for our first...so I guess I'm one of the "adults" to which you refer.

If the school banned a religious leader from speaking, I'm sure the same people would be praising the principal. You can't have it both ways. If something is offensive to people, it's out. You can't have a rapper with offensive lyrics at a school, even if he cleans up his act for that show. Would the school be ok with a porn star, even if he/she wasn't performing sexual acts? Probably not.

Maybe you should do the grown up thing and read the article before commenting on it.

/BTW, my wife's an educator.
 
2007-01-25 01:29:15 PM  
Most people fail to recognize the difference between a rap artist and a hip hop artist. Rap artist follow the gimmicks and trends, hip hop artist, "keep it real." Common, Mos Def, KRS One are hip hop artist and you don't usually hear them rap about biatches, hoes and blunts. Usually their lyrics have substance, like any other poet.
 
2007-01-25 01:31:55 PM  
Ludacris is a fun loving guy... He's just goofy in terms of lyrics. If it was Dr. Dre or Suge that's another story...

Its ok Ludacris donates a good amount of money to kids at is. He was just trying to show some hometown love...

I mean lets be Serious how ROUGH and TOUGH can a rapper be when he INTENTIONALLY wants to put a HS. Band as an opening act for his show.... You should see the skits Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg performs...

// Give me a Luke Concert with a HS opening act...
 
2007-01-25 01:37:00 PM  
It doesn't matter if he's at the school or not. By sending the school band to perform there, the school is supporting his concert.

Again, would you support the school's drama class performing an opening skit for an adult entertainer?

How about the band opening for a religious speaker?

I really wish there was a private school that catered to ultra liberal types, where the kids were free to be complete terrors, listen to whatever music they want, treat the teachers however they want, etc. Then the libs could see just what the product of their insanity looks like in the flesh. If it feels good, do it is not a way to raise a child.

I am not a hardcore conservative, but I do think there is a certain level of moral value that should be instilled in children at a young age, and the school.
 
2007-01-25 01:41:14 PM  
Last comment got chopped off by a poor edit.

Should read:

and the school, for many kids, is the only place they get any sense of moral direction.

Would the libs feel the same way if GWB wanted a HS band to open for him? I'm sure lib parents would oppose opening for the President more than a rapper. Sad indeed.

/34, married with one on the way
//teacher for 6 years
///military for 11
 
2007-01-25 01:41:21 PM  
trfcrugby: If something is offensive to people, it's out.

Sounds pretty "ultra-liberal" to me.

listen to whatever music they want

Where do you teach, Footloose High?

Out of curiosity, how old are you, and what music did you listen to growing up?
 
2007-01-25 01:42:06 PM  
From Jose628's link:

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/Monk is hard-core!
 
2007-01-25 01:42:15 PM  
trfcrugby: It doesn't matter if he's at the school or not.

Only for the sake of the accuracy of your commenting. I'd advise you to slow down--your self-righteous anger is clouding your judgement.

This is pretty much a non-story; all the details have not been forthcoming, and it's entirely likely that there would have been no high-school-inappropriate content at said concert.

Also, parents are required to authorize field trips and equivalents--if the parents did not wish for their child to attend, they could simply deny authorization.

Your moral outrage is, quite frankly, making a mountain out of a molehill.
 
2007-01-25 01:43:18 PM  
trfcrugby: Would the libs feel the same way if GWB wanted a HS band to open for him? I'm sure lib parents would oppose opening for the President more than a rapper. Sad indeed.

I went to a fairly liberal school, where the band did, indeed, open for GWBush when he was campaigning in 2000. High school bands open for local presidential speeches all the time.
 
2007-01-25 01:45:17 PM  
trfcrugby: Would the libs feel the same way if GWB wanted a HS band to open for him?


I sang for then President Reagan, as part of a choir, when I was a lad. I would have no problem with my progeny doing the same. Then again, I'm not really a "lib".

I'm sure lib parents would oppose opening for the President more than a rapper. Sad indeed.

Well, to be fair, one talks about killing folks and being a general immoral menace, whereas the other actually does it.
 
2007-01-25 01:47:00 PM  
trfcrugby: Again, would you support the school's drama class performing an opening skit for an adult entertainer?

How about the band opening for a religious speaker?


I think you've nailed it here. No matter what I think one way or the other about Mr. Ludacris, the pendulum has to swing both ways. I don't want my kid's elementary school band playing at a evangelical christian rally, so I have to be fair, and say no to all other non-school requests.
 
2007-01-25 01:48:08 PM  
trfcrugby: Would the libs feel the same way if GWB wanted a HS band to open for him? I'm sure lib parents would oppose opening for the President more than a rapper. Sad indeed.


Ummmm....dude? HS marching bands play for the president all the time, like in the inaugural parade and such, when was the last time you ever heard a "lib" parent get "outraged" over that? Oh yeah, never.

You should at least put a little thought into your "OMG, teh libs would FREAK OUT If [X] Happened" hypotheticals that you are using to "prove" your point.
 
2007-01-25 01:50:37 PM  
Ever notice that Farkers are always whining about how EVERYTHING in the universe could be solved by "more parental responsibility," and then turn around and biatch, moan, and hurl the word "asshat" any time a parent actually DOES try and exercise some parental responsiblity?

As for the nimrods in the thread that are whining that "the pendulum has to swing both ways", no dumbasses, it doesn't. There are things that are appropriate for children, and things that aren't. If you can't figure that one out for yourself, do society a favor and get yourself sterilized before you breed.
 
2007-01-25 01:53:55 PM  
AladinSane: Ever notice that Farkers are always whining about how EVERYTHING in the universe could be solved by "more parental responsibility," and then turn around and biatch, moan, and hurl the word "asshat" any time a parent actually DOES try and exercise some parental responsiblity?

If the parent had said, "My child cannot attend said concert," *that* would be practicing parental responsibility. As it stands, the person practiced smug, self-righteous moral indignation instead.
 
2007-01-25 01:55:28 PM  
Jose628

The funny part about your response is that you think you're refuting what I was saying, but you're not at all.

I'm black. I grew up in a mostly white city and went to an overwhelmingly white school. Nobody there had any problem with me, I was actually pretty well liked. At the same time, people would mock/fear/slander black people. When I would confront them about it, they'd say things like "I wasn't talking about you.. it's just most other black people. As if they actually knew "most other" black people, instead of just me and the 2 other black kids they'd seen around the school a couple times.

It doesn't make a person any less racist if they come up with people they've made exceptions for, and then they try to attach justifications for why those exceptions exist.

You're spouting off about how "most rap" is this and that as if you have any idea about what most rap is .You obviously do not, otherwise you'd never have called Ludacris a gang banger or suggested that he takes himself seriously.

About half of what I listen to is rap and hip hop and I wouldn't even say that I know what "most rap" is about. I'll bet that 90% of the rap you've heard are parts of songs you heard in passing from someone else's car, and the other 10% is stuff you purposely sought out to reaffirm your belief about how evil all those rappers are.
 
2007-01-25 01:58:07 PM  
AladinSane

Who is Joe Blow Asshat to decide what is approriate for my 15, 16, 17 or even 18 year old offspring? I would rather them listen to Ludacris than Pat Roberts any day of the week.
 
2007-01-25 02:03:29 PM  
I know that bands open for the President and leaders, I was just saying that some people would be offended by that as well.

I'm not hate-mongering, liberal bashing. I just think that you can't have it both ways. How can you justify to a parent that their band can't open at a religious event, which to most people would be considered a fairly harmless event, then on the other hand say it's ok to open for a profane rapper?

Again, it doesn't matter if he isn't going to use adult content in said concert, it's his previous work and image that are in question. See the porn star example. Would you be ok with a drama class performing a skit before a group adult entertainers did a clean performance? Are those the people you want your kid's school to associate with? How about the kids open for Howard Stern?

Once again, the schools get hammered for trying to not offend anyone. It's a no win situation for a district anymore. You are always gonna make someone mad, so sadly the path of least controversy is the one most district must follow. Imagine the lawsuit the school could have been liable for had a parent not known who Ludacris was until after the event? You want your kids to see Ludacris, you take him/her.

Before you guys think I am some insane conservative, let me tell you, I would love to see sports removed from school, and the educational system return to being about learning, instead of a big social experiment where popular kids, rich kids, and jocks get special treatment. Get the pop-culture out of the school, and let the parents raise the kids. I don't want religion in my classroom, but at the same time, I don't want Tu-Pac either. And don't get me started on celebrity worship...

/my lawn is dying
 
2007-01-25 02:08:18 PM  
trfcrugby: I know that bands open for the President and leaders, I was just saying that some people would be offended by that as well.

Only people who are on the extreme end of the spectrum, and who are trying to enforce their views on other people.

I would love to see sports removed from school, and the educational system return to being about learning,

You may want to brush up on the classical greek education system, as well as the Renaissance version of liberal arts.
 
2007-01-25 02:10:36 PM  
trfcrugby

See the porn star example. Would you be ok with a drama class performing a skit before a group adult entertainers did a clean performance

What about cameo appearace in Sexual Education class?
 
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