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2007-01-24 10:28:48 AM
I am willing to bet Submitter has not used the release version of a single non-Business Vista version... b/c it isn't out yet.

BUT WE ALL KNOW IT SUCKS!!!

Just use LINUX! B/c there are NEVER Tfark threads saying "Hellllp, I can't get linux to________"

grow up, child.
 
2007-01-24 10:39:12 AM
I guess we'll find out how good/bad Vista is soon.

Personally, I'm not upgrading to Vista until I upgrade my machine in the 2nd half of the year. The hardware requirements are steep.
 
2007-01-24 10:43:54 AM
Ooooh! See through windows! Wait while I wipe the jizz off my monitor!
 
2007-01-24 10:47:40 AM
Submitter means "steaming pile of hyena crap" in the best possible way.
 
2007-01-24 10:49:58 AM
Gahbrone
grow up, child.

o i c wat u did their.
 
2007-01-24 10:51:55 AM
I've been running vista on a test machine since the middle of december and haven't had any problems. It's run quite well so far and we haven't had any compatability problems with any of the software we're installed on it, either.

That being said, I wouldn't put it on my personal machine for about six months to let some of the bugs get worked out.
 
2007-01-24 10:59:12 AM
Hey, snazzy new resource-hog gui with no consistency, and absolutely NO improvements to the underlying engine, beyond what is needed to ensure microsoft's continued hegemony in the industry. i can't *WAIT* to install it.
 
2007-01-24 10:59:49 AM
labman
That being said, I wouldn't put it on my personal machine for about six months to let some of the bugs get worked out.


If you consider them "Little bits o' coding excitement" instead of "bugs," it makes the upgrade process a lot more fun.
 
2007-01-24 11:25:56 AM
Snarfangel: If you consider them "Little bits o' coding excitement" instead of "bugs," it makes the upgrade process a lot more fun.

Windows Vista, with new and improved Excitement Nuggets™!
 
2007-01-24 11:35:32 AM
Gahbrone: I am willing to bet Submitter has not used the release version of a single non-Business Vista version... b/c it isn't out yet.

I've been running vista ultimate on one of my home pc's for a while now (MSDN), and whilst I wouldn't say it sucks, I'm not keen on it. The UI, whilst pretty (at least as far as windows borders and the desktop go) is counterintuitive if you're used to other versions of windows and a resource hog. The start menu is frustrating and the power options are notorious as an example of poor design. My main reason for running Windows, Visual Studio, is still buggy on Vista and whilst there is a service pack coming, the previous versions will never be supported. Many of the truly revolutionary developments promised for Vista have failed to materialize, leaving the feeling that this upgrade is mostly cosmetic. The enhanced security is more annoying than I would have thought (I'm used to both Linux and OSX security requirements) and some everyday tasks, like removing a desktop shortcut require administrative access. That kind of thing is a recipe for users to mindlessly supply the info whenever it is requested, rather than being surprised into saying "what's that need administrative access for?"

I'm finding Linux to be continuously improving (I use Ubuntu as the OS on another of my PCs, and I've experience of CentOS, Gentoo and Fedora). It might have a real chance if Windows "upgrades" continue to be as uninspiring as Vista
 
2007-01-24 11:36:19 AM
I've been using Vista for about 2 months and it hasn't given me a single problem. My wife loves it too. You don't HAVE to hate.
 
2007-01-24 11:37:26 AM
It really needs to come in a couple more flavors. I can't wait to tell someone that their new PC won't do what they want it to do because they bought the wrong flavor. I seriously can't wait until I can't do what I want to do because I didn't buy the right flavor. That will make me smile.
 
2007-01-24 11:40:04 AM
I'll be getting it for 10 bucks on campus. We're supposed to return OSes when we leave, but no one ever does, and no one bothers to keep track.

Whether or not I install it right away is a different story.
 
2007-01-24 11:42:58 AM
Gahbrone: I am willing to bet Submitter has not used the release version of a single non-Business Vista version... b/c it isn't out yet.

BUT WE ALL KNOW IT SUCKS!!!

Just use LINUX! B/c there are NEVER Tfark threads saying "Hellllp, I can't get linux to________"

grow up, child.


So, how does Bill's semen feel in the back of your throat? There are enough reviews from reputable sources that say Vista's a turd... douch.
 
2007-01-24 11:44:08 AM
VISTA is spyware.
 
2007-01-24 11:44:25 AM
Is that the Home Basic Hyena Crap version or the Ultimate? Or are we talking the Business Hyena Crap version? I'm so confused!
 
2007-01-24 11:45:03 AM
So does that mean Windows XP patches, etc will be around until 2010....did I interpret it correctly?

What about Windows 2000 patches, etc?
 
2007-01-24 11:45:10 AM
DuncanMhor - That kind of thing is a recipe for users to mindlessly supply the info whenever it is requested

I just turned User Account Control off and have to occasionally deal with an uppity security icon. I also don't like the Start Menu but am otherwise generally happy with it.

Submitter could have at least tried to come up with a decent headline too. This one was a steaming pile of hyena crap.
 
2007-01-24 11:50:56 AM
system76.com
 
2007-01-24 11:51:37 AM
King Keepo
I just turned User Account Control off and have to occasionally deal with an uppity security icon.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that negate the whole point of the security upgrade?
 
2007-01-24 11:51:42 AM
I was with the nay sayers in the beginning that Vista was nothing more than XP with significantly more resource hogging. However, I'm a gamer and eventually I'll probably need to upgrade for DX10. eventually.

That said, I can upgrade for free, being an IT student (MSDN). So when the time comes, I'll have less resistance to migrate. As far as the resource hogginess of Vista, I'm willing to bet someone will come out with a detailed method for stripping all the fat out of Vista and making it a much leaner OS. I'm sure Vista wont be halfway decent as a gaming platform without many tweaks and such, but I don't think it will be some abismal pile of crap like many people think it will.

/still uses 2000
//been thinking of going to XP
 
2007-01-24 11:53:30 AM
Does douch sound like slouch?
 
2007-01-24 11:59:06 AM
i've been running the 64 bit beta versions for a while now. None of my expensive external audio hardware has drivers, because Microsoft doesn't want hardware with higher-than-CD-quality output to be used, and won't be certifying some of it. Their DRM software and methods of downconverting digital audio and 'upconverting' it back (compressing and reducing quality before delivery) makes me sick to my stomach, and they can kiss my ass.
 
2007-01-24 12:00:17 PM
Games games games... It's the only reason I have a win box.

And since i got MythTV working on my Suse box, no more need for media center.

Now when they get full gaming support on Linux, the win box is going away.
 
2007-01-24 12:01:53 PM
Honest Bender: /still uses 2000
//been thinking of going to XP


He he, same here.

Anandtech showed that Vista runs slower for most games than XP. This will be the thing that will make or break them if they do not fix this immediately. DRM scheme won't help either. People will still use/buy it because they have no choice in a year. Ultimately, unless Macs really close the software gap, MS always comes out on top
 
2007-01-24 12:04:06 PM
I'm using Windows Vista on my laptop and love it. We are a Certified Partner and get the releases early. I'll tell you, I'm sure it won't be a 100% perfect OS.. but it does blow away XP and will defenitly kick every other OS' ass out there once things settle down in a year or so.

Microsoft did an awesome job with Vista.

Just watch.
 
2007-01-24 12:04:13 PM
I doubt XP will be off the shelves for at least a year or more and already MS is saying that they're going to cut support in three years?

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Microsoft should continue support for their products for more than 1 or two years after they discontinue them? If history is any guide I'd say that there will be people using XP up until about 2015 (if the world as we know it still exists by then.) I know people who are still using Win98.
 
2007-01-24 12:06:42 PM
Drummer: but it does blow away XP and will defenitly kick every other OS' ass out there once things settle down in a year or so.

I know I'm just feeding the trolls here, but in what way does it "blow away" XP? I'm honestly curious, because I haven't seen it myself.

So far on every box I've tested Vista(Ultimate and Business, the only two worth the time), I've seen slower performance and reduced productivity than 2k or XP.
 
2007-01-24 12:20:26 PM
Is this the "My OS has a bigger dick than your OS" thread?
 
2007-01-24 12:20:51 PM
personally, i think MS should take Win 2000, re-brand it as vista, and sell that instead. It actually works, almost any machine will be able to run it, its widely supported. instead of giving customers a pile of inefficient garbage, they will get something that functions well, and in a way they're used to.

/im not sure if that was sarcastic or not
//not "upgrading" from W2K advanced server, ever
///best OS ive used
 
2007-01-24 12:21:30 PM
Macs look more and more appealing to me.
 
2007-01-24 12:22:20 PM
Honest Bender
As far as the resource hogginess of Vista, I'm willing to bet someone will come out with a detailed method for stripping all the fat out of Vista and making it a much leaner OS. I'm sure Vista wont be halfway decent as a gaming platform without many tweaks and such, but I don't think it will be some abismal pile of crap like many people think it will.

Good luck stripping out the DRM sampling of video and audio output streams.
 
2007-01-24 12:25:00 PM
sabayonlinux.org
 
2007-01-24 12:26:15 PM
personally, i think MS should take DOS, re-brand it as vista, and sell that instead. It actually works, almost any machine will be able to run it, its widely supported. instead of giving customers a pile of inefficient garbage, they will get something that functions well, and in a way they're used to.

/im not sure if that was sarcastic or not
//not "upgrading" from DOS, ever
///best OS ive used
 
2007-01-24 12:37:32 PM
Phish Tanko

Ugh, do I really have to do this? really?

Ok then.

Functional differences between 2k and Vista
vs.
Functional differences between Dos and Vista

And by functional differences, I mean any change that improves the computing experience and generally makes something "easier" on the end user.
 
2007-01-24 12:39:36 PM
I have vista ultimate running on two systems. Major driver issues exist and would not reccomend to anyone. Wait at least one year to buy.
 
2007-01-24 12:40:44 PM
I see what you did there.
 
2007-01-24 12:41:46 PM
Damaramu

Now when they get full gaming support on Linux, the win box is going away.

How is it out there in Lalaland? Sunny? Flowers smell great?
 
2007-01-24 12:41:48 PM
wax_on

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Microsoft should continue support for their products for more than 1 or two years after they discontinue them?

Let's stop the FUD right here.

Windows XP Product Lifecycle

Until Microsoft announces the changes, "Mainstream Support" would be slated to end Jan 30, 2009, and "Extended Support" would expire in 2014. It seems that Microsoft will extend this out- let's see. As it stands today, Windows XP will have been "supported" for 13 years- 8 for bugfixes, feature additions, and security fixes, and another 5 just for security fixes. How is that unreasonable, especially when, by then, it's replacement will have been out 7 years, and it's replacement's replacement will probably have been out for a few years too?

Now, perhaps you should educate yourself as to what "Mainstream Support" and "Extended Support" mean.

Support Lifecycle Phases,

The big difference between Mainstream and Extended, for the average consumer, is that you don't get non-security hotfixes anymore. In other words, they're not going out of their way to add new features or fix non-security bugs. You still get security fixes (provided you're on the latest service pack). In either case, you're still paying for tech support if you call Microsoft, same as always.

I don't expect Volkswagen to a)perform warranty service on my '73 VW or b)be able to fix it if I take it to the dealership or c)even sell parts for it. Why is software different?

/been using Vista daily since early December, and loving it.
 
2007-01-24 12:42:01 PM
Cue the antifanboys ignorantly bashing things they don't know about.

If your bashing Vista for being just a pretty, resource-hogging OS you've obviously only looked at screenshots. It time that you learn to read and understand what you just read.
 
2007-01-24 12:44:19 PM
Ooooh, got me a nibble!
 
2007-01-24 12:44:34 PM
Tobin_Lam: If your bashing Vista for being just a pretty, resource-hogging OS you've obviously only looked at screenshots. It time that you learn to read and understand what you just read.

I'm bashing Vista for being a pretty resource-hogging OS, and I'm running it right now 6 feet away from me on a test box. I've also developed software and tested it on Vista.
 
2007-01-24 12:46:20 PM
DAMN!

Why couldn't Microsoft burn both their "cattle car to the Concentration Camps" (they'd call it "a bridge to the future") and their "cesspool of misery" (they'd call it "yet another improvement on our perfect record of bug-free software") in one blow and suicide themselves out of existence?

The only way to make Microsoft die is to hold them accountable to the crap they sell for outrageous prices.
 
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2007-01-24 12:49:08 PM
Drummer: it does blow away XP and will defenitly kick every other OS' ass out there once things settle down in a year or so.

Microsoft did an awesome job with Vista.



Mike Cox, is that you?
 
2007-01-24 12:53:22 PM
Gridlock: The only way to make Microsoft die is to hold them accountable to the crap they sell for outrageous prices.

Or, just don't buy their garbage. Unfortunately, as part of my job I have to ensure my software works on this humpty dumpty of OS's, but otherwise I would never touch it. My home machines run some form of Linux or BSD, and really anything I needed as far as software goes has been produced by the FLOSS community. I suspect most people could do the same, if they took the time to relearn everything the same way they did when they first encountered Windows(whether they want to admit to it or not).
 
2007-01-24 01:01:16 PM
Like most MS OS's, Vista will be fine...

After the second service pack.
 
2007-01-24 01:03:11 PM
One things for sure...knowing Microsoft, Vista will suck balls until SP2.
 
2007-01-24 01:10:12 PM
Support is nice, but how long will they keep selling XP? If it is pulled from shelves and all you can get is the steaming pile of crap that is Vista, that will be terrible.

Vista is going to be a system trasher worse than original Windows 95, or dare I say, Windows ME.
 
2007-01-24 01:14:29 PM
I dunno...

I ran the Beta on my laptop (which, I'll admit is a wee bit more laptop than most people have) for a few months and didn't find any glaring problems. Oh, sure, there were hitches, but they were mostly hardware specific driver type problems that didn't impact actualy functionality in the least. I would have kept it on, except the biggest problem I had was that the audio drivers didn't support my headphone jacks. I made slacking off in class alot less enjoyable.
 
2007-01-24 01:19:07 PM
Feldspar Q. Walrustitty: Like most MS OS's, Vista will be fine...

After the second service pack.


you are probably right. I support about 150 windows desktops and have no reason to switch to it just yet. We usually wait at least until SP1. By the time we get all of our testing done it is usually almost time for SP2. I have to say that XP was a little better early. Lets hope for the same for vista.

I tried R1 of vista and thought it was ok. No reason to make me switch yet though. I really don't need the see through windows and such. I did like how windows explorer works on it though. I am happy with what XP does for me. I have my home machines set up for linux and xp boot. More and more I am working in linux and only gaming in windows. I just need to find a better replacement for MS money to finish the switch. Top that off with some more games and I won't need to windows boot at home. I'm not a linux fanboy by any means but I get more of my money's worth out of linux then windows.
 
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