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2007-01-24 08:14:17 AM
Maybe they think parents will be so irritated having them underfoot they'll demand their children go to school.
 
2007-01-24 08:19:36 AM
lol america
 
2007-01-24 08:22:29 AM
I thought you could drop out of school at 16?
 
2007-01-24 08:22:57 AM
Asinine? Truancy is already illegal in many places.

/Has no problem with this law
//Thinks the asinine tag should be held to a higher standard
 
2007-01-24 08:24:22 AM
Someone's gotta serve me burgers when I'm on my lunch break from my office job :-)

Might as well be kids.

/Provided they don't spit on it
//and hurry up with my litre of cola
 
2007-01-24 08:24:36 AM
gather them up and see if we can't make some sort of alternative fuel out of them---i'd rather them be useful to society in some way rather than wasting our tax dollars in jail or on welfare because they have no education or skills
 
2007-01-24 08:24:42 AM
Doesn't really sound any different than just having a truancy officer rounding kids up.
 
2007-01-24 08:26:53 AM
Ninth grade seems a little early to be graduating.
 
2007-01-24 08:27:48 AM
miracledirt

That's what I was thinking. I mean... My school had a 0% 9th grader grad rate..
 
2007-01-24 08:28:01 AM
Maybe this will do something about parent apathy if they can't trundle their kids to the mall or wherever during work hours. I see it all the damned time and it makes me nuts.
 
2007-01-24 08:28:38 AM
So they're required by law to stay in the house, smoke pot, and play video games.
 
2007-01-24 08:28:52 AM
60% won't graduate high school or 9th grade?
 
2007-01-24 08:29:05 AM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

/Suck it, cons.
 
2007-01-24 08:29:55 AM
I'm of two sides on this issue.

On the one hand, while I do consider myself successful at this point, I have never graduated high school, I am short two English credits.

On the other hand, these kids are obviously a problem to the city if they have garnered such attention. Also I realize that I am an exception, and almost all highschool dropouts (dropping out now, not 10, 20 years ago) will just end up being a burden on society.

If this initiative puts one kid back on track, I'm all for it.
 
2007-01-24 08:30:56 AM
birdboy2000

Minors have fewer rights than adults.
 
2007-01-24 08:31:49 AM
birdboy2000 /Suck it, cons.

Except that this is a city run by libs. Nice try tho.
 
2007-01-24 08:31:52 AM
This should be a hero tag. Hopefully, it'll keep the bastards off my lawn.
 
2007-01-24 08:32:20 AM
A proposal that would have allowed police officers to return truant students to school was defeated.

The fark? This defeats the entire point. If a minor is away from school when he should be in school, should he not be returned to said school?

Legislation can be so retarded.

/wrong thread, birdboy2000
 
2007-01-24 08:32:57 AM
FTA: A proposal that would have allowed police officers to return truant students to school was defeated.

Wait, dude...what?

I got busted for cutting back in 7th grade by the ever-vigilant Bristol Township PD; the officer caught me skulking out of the local bowling alley where I'd just purchased up some essential supplies (at the alley's snack machine) to get through the morning sugar deficiency.

Bastage took me right to the school, in handcuffs and all. I think it was supposed to intimidate, but only succeeded in a limited degree as I gots plenty of family and friends what're cops.

But I still can't figure why the cops aint allowed to just bring 'em to school.
 
2007-01-24 08:33:40 AM
birdboy2000

9th Graders are not people
 
2007-01-24 08:33:55 AM
How are the little thugs supposed to gain any street cred when they can't be on the street?
 
2007-01-24 08:34:03 AM
Yeah, ASSININE they should probably not bother to try anything.

Our school district already has the ability to issue daytime curfew tickets to students - oh and our district is rated "Excellent" by the state. Its a good idea to, you know, at least try to insure the kids are in school. If the parents arent going to do a damn thing about it, the school/city should at least try.
 
2007-01-24 08:34:41 AM
at least the city is trying something to keep kids in school.

i don't know if it will work or not but i'm glad they are making an attempt.

/highschool graduate (class of 03')
 
2007-01-24 08:41:30 AM
We seem to have figured out that education is essential to long term success in life. We offer free education through high school. How about, in a nod toward individual responsibility, we make any government benefits (welfare, ADC, etc.) contingent upon possession of a HS diploma or GED and, until such diploma is achieved, all responsibility for the physical well-being of the un-educated be the responsibility of the parent or guardian. I can't imagine anything making a parent more motivated to make sure the kid keeps his butt in school than the threat of having to feed, house and clothe his sorry ass until he gets his diploma.
 
2007-01-24 08:42:16 AM
Screw political correctness. Screw "No Poorly-Raised Brat Left Behind". A police car shouldn't be a backup school bus.

Don't wanna go to school? Get to the gulags, you little shiats. Give something to the community for a change. Out on the street after curfew? Toss a salad in Juvie while you're waiting for your asshat parents to pick you up. I certainly hope they have the money to pay your fines.

/Gonna make the trains run on time, too, dammit.
//Wow...I need some coffee...Still grumpy.
 
2007-01-24 08:43:27 AM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Explain how that in any way applies.

Even if it does, this is a constitutionally-permissible "time, space, and manner" exception to the right of assembly/association.
 
2007-01-24 08:43:59 AM
LavenderWolf

Sorry, I didn't see *that* in the constitution. I suppose its also legal for the state to make kids attend church or waterboard them for shoplifting?

Enave

Anyone who restricts individual rights is, by definition, a conservative, regardless as to whether its a D or R next to their name.
 
2007-01-24 08:47:42 AM
birdboy2000:


Anyone who restricts individual rights is, by definition, a conservative, regardless as to whether its a D or R next to their name.


Where in the hell did you get that from?
 
2007-01-24 08:48:17 AM
I think we need to institute a Michigan tag, alongside the Florida tag.
 
2007-01-24 08:49:09 AM
2007-01-24 08:43:59 AM birdboy2000

Anyone who restricts individual rights is, by definition, a conservative

you cannot be serious
 
2007-01-24 08:49:19 AM
images.if.com.au

/Unavailable for comment
//Or after dark activities
 
2007-01-24 08:49:38 AM
birdboy2000

Alright. I'll just send my 8 year old neighbour to the liquor store...
 
2007-01-24 08:50:56 AM
I think that on the first 3 offenses, the parents should be notified. If after that the kid is still not going to school, they should be kicked out of (public) school with no recourse for getting back in.

If they don't want to learn, they will be disruptive in school anyway, and will only drag down kids who have a higher ambition than McDonald's. Let's stop wasting a disproportionate amount of money on kids with no future.
 
2007-01-24 08:51:19 AM
birdboy2000

I missed that other part.



How the fark did you come to the conclusion that respecting individual rights is a Conservative issue? The US, for example, the Republican Party (the "conservative" party) has done more to strip personal rights than any other party in the history of the United states.
 
2007-01-24 08:51:34 AM
img408.imageshack.us
 
2007-01-24 08:51:51 AM
Funny, a place called "Grand Rapids" doesn't sound like it would have that many minorities.
 
2007-01-24 08:52:26 AM
LavenderWolf

The right to purchase alcohol or enter a place of business is not constitutionally outlined. The right to assemble peacefully, however, is. And good luck doing it when not allowed outdoors.
 
2007-01-24 08:52:52 AM
Birdboy2000
Oh lol I read "Restricts" as "respects", my bad
 
2007-01-24 08:53:55 AM
Cities that get serious about enforcing truancy laws almost always see a drop in petty crime rates (shoplifting, purse snatching, vandalism, etc.).

That being said, if they intend to round up hard cases like junior gangbangers they're going to need seperate facilities. I don't think reintroducing them into the general school population is going to do much to enhance everyone's learning experience.
 
2007-01-24 08:54:48 AM
birdboy2000

Hah! This man believes people's rights are only limited by what was actually written in the constitution, instead of legal interpretation!
 
2007-01-24 08:55:20 AM
youngandstupid: 60% won't graduate high school or 9th grade?

That question, along with your name, made me laugh.
 
2007-01-24 08:56:57 AM
Fizpez


Yeah, ASSININE they should probably not bother to try anything.

Our school district already has the ability to issue daytime curfew tickets to students - oh and our district is rated "Excellent" by the state. Its a good idea to, you know, at least try to insure the kids are in school. If the parents arent going to do a damn thing about it, the school/city should at least try.


The point is that they should not have the right to do these things. Clearly, these parents are not winners by any means judging by the simple inability to have your child attend school. Still, when does that give the government the right to swoop in and decide the punishment for these children? Perhaps drugs would be a better option to input our resources? Silly me drugs don't have a dramatic negative impact on peoples lives that will inevitably affect the public.....

/Love the government
//Too big with too many ideas
///Would like to see the states have a DRAMATIC increase in power from the feds
////Will stop before I thread jack...
//I heart slashies too
 
2007-01-24 08:57:29 AM
LavenderWolf:

How the fark did you come to the conclusion that respecting individual rights is a Conservative issue? The US, for example, the Republican Party (the "conservative" party) has done more to strip personal rights than any other party in the history of the United states.

Kinda like when they freed the slaves. At least keep your trolls outlined to a particular time line.

/what?
 
2007-01-24 08:58:41 AM
Actually this might work.... Where I live they have curfew rules in the mall.... If you look young and you're hanging out at the mall during school hours they will ask you for ID and may call the cops on you....

But then again, it all starts at home... If you come from ignorant parents who are too stupid or selfish to raise you right, odds are, you're not going to make it in the real world.
 
2007-01-24 08:58:51 AM
Birdboy2000

I'm not exactly in favour of restricting their rights further, but minors do not have as much in the way of rights as an adult. They are granted the basic rights (free speech, access to healthcare, etc) but they aren't granted the right to, say, drive a car until a certain age. Or the right to go to prison for adult sentences (except in certain cases). It goes both ways, the restriction of minor rights is designed to help them.

This is just crap. Now that I really think about it, how the hell would I feel if someone made me sit at home all day when I had legitimate reasons to not be at school. Or hell, if I've made the choice to leave school, despite being a dumb thing to do people do have that right, minor or not.
 
2007-01-24 08:58:54 AM
Just a daytime curfew? I guess the little thugs running around at 3AM are OK. What's the point? They're just gonna sleep all day anyway.

I know that the government needs to do something for the good of the community, but I'd just as soon let the little thugs stay out of the way. They'll end up disrupting my child from getting an education.
 
2007-01-24 09:00:28 AM
Curfews force parent involvement.


This is a good thing.
 
2007-01-24 09:01:38 AM
Mb>2007-01-24 08:58:54 AM Alleyoop

I know that the government needs to do something for the good of the community, but I'd just as soon let the little thugs stay out of the way. They'll end up disrupting my child from getting an education.


If you really cared that much, you would put your kid in a private school.
 
2007-01-24 09:02:15 AM
MadAsshatter - Kinda like when they freed the slaves. At least keep your trolls outlined to a particular time line.

So you're saying conservatives freed the slaves? At least take the whole text of a post into account when trolling.
 
2007-01-24 09:04:22 AM
MadAsshatter

So Lincoln's being the catalyst for the end of slavery somehow makes all the Republican's future crimes against rights moot?
 
2007-01-24 09:04:40 AM
BMFPitt - no, he's saying that historically, the Republican party hasn't always been the conservative one.
 
2007-01-24 09:05:14 AM
syndre

Private schools are too expensive for most people.
 
2007-01-24 09:11:05 AM
syndre: If you really cared that much, you would put your kid in a private school.

My daughter happens to be doing quite well right now. We don't have a problem with the thugs being hauled back into our classrooms here, thank you.
 
2007-01-24 09:11:38 AM
Well gee smitty, they should just give up on the dumbass generation coming up and let them live their lives of destitution, poverty and violence because everyone knows anyone under 25 has the right to be emotionally immature, financially irresponsible and a shiat citizen and person in the process. Why try is what your your implying?

//what a waste of skin
 
2007-01-24 09:12:34 AM
"That's cool. I just wanted to stay in and play GTA/San Andreas anyway."

cerfew, shmerfew
 
2007-01-24 09:14:09 AM
bicentennialman: Not in the context of the post he's responding to. Republicans are only used as an example of conservatism. To say anything about non-conservative Republicans in the distant past it totally off-topic (intentionally, of course) and I was just pointing that out.
 
2007-01-24 09:16:15 AM
Asinine ? Subby one of said 9th graders ?
 
2007-01-24 09:16:46 AM
This sounds like Milwaukee. There was a similar daytime curfew here. The MCSD would pick school-aged kids during the daytime and detain them at a local Boy's Club until their parents came to get them. I guess it was supposed to lower the burglary rate as kids are robbing houses while the owners are at work. IDK if they still have that program or not.
 
2007-01-24 09:16:52 AM
from TFA:Parents also must pay the cost of arresting and detaining the child if he or she is convicted. A proposal that would have allowed police officers to return truant students to school was defeated.

ahhh, there we have it. They simply figured out another way to bring in some extra coin.

choice (A) do work and take the kid back to his school or (B) just sit on the kid till his parents come and pay to get him back.

nice work, detectives.
 
2007-01-24 09:17:06 AM
Eat More Possum

youngandstupid: 60% won't graduate high school or 9th grade?

That question, along with your name, made me laugh.


Yeah I suppose it was a silly question. It was mainly meant to laugh at the headlin/ article for not specifying.
 
2007-01-24 09:20:27 AM
Parents have to pick up the kid within *three hours*? I bet people's bosses are really going to like that one. Choose between losing your job or getting a misdemeanor, real nice choice. And then charge parents fees on top of it.

Meanwhile, the police have to be glorified babysitters instead of doing their real jobs.

Why the hell did this pass and "just bring the brats back to school" fail?
 
2007-01-24 09:22:04 AM
When I was 16, I had my drivers license. I went to NJ to spend the summer with my dad and I took his car out for a drive. I stopped to put gas in it and was refused service because I was "school aged" and it was "during school hours."

I even tried to show them my Oklahoma drivers license and they still refused.

Bastiges..
 
2007-01-24 09:23:40 AM
img60.exs.cx

Minors have fewer rights than adults by design, and precisely because they have fewer societal responsibilities than adults. The idea is that if they can not handle the few responsibilities they are given then we should hesitate to give them more simply because they attain the age of 18. Attending school is a really simple responsibility. No one requires that you pay attention or do your homework, all that is legally required is that you show up. If you can't handle that, or if your parent(s) can't or won't help you successfully be at a predetermined place at a predetermined time...if this is too difficult for you...then I believe you ought to be left behind, and if that means that you are on the receiving end of legal action by the city/state then I am all for it. What I find asinine, and the reason I thought that the asinine tag trumps hero in this case, is that our society has come to a place where we can not even agree on who holds the ultimate responsibility for the behavior of our minor children, even though it has been clearly established (at least from a legal standpoint) that this responsibility is one which rests squarely on the shoulders of the parent(s). The city/state already has laws which cover this problem, and would do so extremely effectively if those laws were enforced. Creating new laws is a redundant waste of resources and only serves to create legislative contradictions which allow for enforcement of either law to become nearly impossible. This action on the part of Flint only serves to make the problem worse, not better. It also puts the brunt of the work involved on the police department, which I would bet has many more important issues to deal with every day (especially in Flint).

Perhaps the stupid tag would have been better, but until the img60.exs.cx tag gets approved there will never be the perfect tag for idiocy like this.

/submitter
 
2007-01-24 09:23:58 AM
You can't be out of the custody of the school between the hours of 8am and 3pm. If you are, you will be sent home.
 
2007-01-24 09:24:17 AM
From an old article about the Milwaukee TABS (Truancy Abatement and Burglary Supression) program:

But nearly 430 arrests stemmed from TABS stops, with 56 related to criminal offenses, including drugs and weapons, and 85 warrant arrests, the data show.

During school hours, juvenile crimes as measured by the Milwaukee Police Department have declined in most areas.

Aggravated battery has declined 29%, auto theft 13%, homicide 33%, robbery 23%, sexual assault 43% and theft 20%, according to police.
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2007-01-24 09:28:08 AM
Government ALWAYS has the best answers.
 
2007-01-24 09:34:58 AM
I fail to see how the right to assembly is being infringed upon by insisting that the kids be at school. Legally speaking when a student is enrolled into school the parent is empowering the school with responsibility for their LEGAL GUARDIAN during the school hours.

If you've ever wondered why the administration for schools are concerned with your whereabouts DURING SCHOOL HOURS its because they are legally responsible for your dumb ass if you are enrolled there. IF you skipped school most days and were out looting and pillaging and the school did absoulutly nothing to confirm your whereabout they could be help responsible for your actions.

Obviously theres more to it than that, they get money from the state for your enrollment, and despite what youve heard, most of them actually DO care about turning out decent, prepared and responsible adults.

There's a reason you never hear about college towns trying to enforce issues like this - and its because these kids are not legal adults and therefore not subject to the same "rights".
 
2007-01-24 09:37:40 AM
Around here, you can't drop out until you're 17, so over 50% of the teenagers drop out of their senior year in High School...which I fail to understand, I mean its just one year, and a Diploma has better standing and easier to get than a GED.
 
2007-01-24 09:40:55 AM
60%...meh, they can always join the military.
 
2007-01-24 09:43:13 AM
Balchinian

At least I understand your selection of the tag now - and you're right - but the problem with our society is that no one takes note of the current law unless it is either A)Obnoxiously enforced or B)"New and Improved" - just like every other consumer product.

Realistically this "new law" is nothing more than an advertising campaign, similar to what a company might do if they made some minor, nearly insignificant change to their formulation. But I agree, its wasteful and contradictory in some cases - but has almost become necessary so that when they start to actually enforce the thing the parents can't plead ignorance: "Gosh, I didn't KNOW my darling little angel was supposed to be at school and not hanging out in the alley behind the liquor store"...
 
2007-01-24 09:43:14 AM
beoweasel
So you are saying that your area has a less than 50% graduation rate in high school? I find that hard to believe.
 
2007-01-24 09:46:29 AM
Well, arresting turnstile jumpers and window breakers worked for NYC.

/don't bother lame-ass counters
 
2007-01-24 09:46:55 AM
Balchinian: Parents also must pay the cost of arresting and detaining the child if he or she is convicte

So it is placing the burden on parents. If parents are breaking the law and not taking their children to school, they much pay a fine. Personally I think the fine should be greater. Oh well.
 
2007-01-24 09:47:05 AM
ornithopter
Parents have to pick up the kid within *three hours*? I bet people's bosses are really going to like that one. Choose between losing your job or getting a misdemeanor, real nice choice.

This is in Flint, MI. Nobody has a job there.
 
2007-01-24 09:48:46 AM
MrStarbuck: Umm yes, if parents are breaking the law by not making sure their children are at school, they should be fined. Just the same as if your dog was found running in the road.
 
2007-01-24 09:49:15 AM
If you can't pick up your kids or provide some form of transportation (bus money) for your kids to get home within 3 hours, you really shouldn't HAVE KIDS...... Seriously if you can't do this, you're beyond being a failure of a parent. You're a failure of a human being.
 
2007-01-24 09:49:19 AM
When I saw this headline I knew it was in Michigan. I thought it might be Detroit but Flint is worse. These guys are in a serious depression and the rest of the country has forgotten about them. It's my continuing nightmare to find myself back living in Detroit.

/live in La Jolla, CA now
// and in Santa Barbara, CA
 
2007-01-24 09:49:31 AM
FTFA: A proposal that would have allowed police officers to return truant students to school was defeated.

THIS is the asinine part. If the kids are skipping/dropping out of school, and the object of this ordinance is (I presume) to get them back into school ... why arrest and detain them!?

So. Stupid.

/maybe I'm missing some crucial piece of logic here?
 
2007-01-24 09:51:00 AM
2007-01-24 08:19:36 AM musmatta
lol america


You haven't heard? Michigan is now Baja Canada...
 
2007-01-24 09:51:15 AM
Fizpez:
...the problem with our society is that no one takes note of the current law unless...

It is the responsibility of the adult citizen to know what the law is. If you don't live up to that responsibility you should not haev room to biatch when you receive a legal penalty for not fulfilling that responsibility.

...this "new law" is nothing more than an advertising campaign...

Yes, it is more than that. But the differences are all negative/more destructive.

beoweasel:
You have obviously never been to Flint.
 
2007-01-24 09:51:41 AM
^^^

see my post: 2007-01-24 09:16:52 AM
 
2007-01-24 09:54:19 AM
musmatta:

lol america

The fact that you make comments like that on an American website is laughable.
 
2007-01-24 09:56:22 AM
MaddCutty
It's my continuing nightmare to find myself back living in Detroit.

After leaving the state after high school and college, I found myself back in Michigan a few years ago for a jorb and to be closer to family. Am currently in Detroit. A lot of my friends from Michigan have followed the same pattern. We call it, "circling the drain". You fan out across the country, but somehow wind up getting sucked back around this black hole. Am currently planning a slingshot maneuver that should increase my velocity by the spring to escape the event horizon of this state forever. Wish me luck.
 
2007-01-24 10:03:39 AM
60%? Wow... that's a lot of mouth-breathers.
 
2007-01-24 10:12:26 AM
Hm...I'm mixed on this.

I'm never a fan of curfews and always disobeyed them without a second thought when I was underage. It just gives the cops an extra excuse to hassle people who may be acting fully within their rights. After all, what happens when they pick up the 18 year old who looks 14 but doesn't have ID? If they search that 18 year old is all the evidence inadmissable because they had no probable cause? Is this law written to apply to minors in cars? How about places like the library?

Not to mention how things like this affect homeschooled kids or kids who have a legitimate reason to be out of school...I kinda see this as one of those gradual erosions of rights that starts with 'but the children!!!', and ends up with 'Citizen, show me your papers'. After all, why not just require all minors at all times to have parental supervision to be out in public? How many crimes would that prevent and how much revenue would those tickets raise? It's kinda the next logical step, and I can see where some people would be able to justify it...and it really scares me.

On another hand, this is Flint. My dad's side of the family is basically from Flint and there are still a few relatives who live there. That city REALLY needs help, but I think it's going to take more then a law like this to fix it...jobs would do a lot more to help.

BTW, Flint is NOT run by a bunch of liberals. Flint is just a badly run shthole and trying to attach ANY label to the people who run it is just wrong and demonstrates complete ignorance of the city.
 
2007-01-24 10:14:09 AM
Bad kids have bad parents.

"A dog reflects the family life. Whoever saw a frisky dog in a gloomy family, or a sad dog in a happy one? Snarling people have snarling dogs, dangerous people have dangerous ones." -- Sherlock Holmes
 
2007-01-24 10:21:23 AM
gather them up and see if we can't make some sort of alternative fuel out of them

Soylent Fuel is people!!! PEOPLE!!!!!!
 
2007-01-24 10:22:19 AM
Temptation: So you are saying that your area has a less than 50% graduation rate in high school? I find that hard to believe.


You don't get out much do you? Take a tour of damn near any economically run-down Rust Belt city and you'll find similar numbers.
 
2007-01-24 10:30:38 AM
Does the curfew only apply to people who live in the area? Any exceptions made for funerals, religious holidays & the like?

/Just sayin'
 
2007-01-24 10:31:19 AM
Anyone else catch this?

The ordinance allows police to arrest a child who is supposed to be in school. Parents who do not pick up their child within three hours of being notified would be guilty of a misdemeanor.

How the fark do they do that without a judge?
 
2007-01-24 10:35:33 AM
What about kids who are homeschooled? After all, their parents would be able to make up their own holidays and vacations.
 
2007-01-24 10:36:58 AM
Snarfangel
Shut up, citizen.
 
2007-01-24 10:38:02 AM
the northern United States is extremely socialist. More so than Canada, and almost right there with North Korea. You'd think americans wouldn't put up with this banter.
 
2007-01-24 10:38:46 AM
Good luck trying to get these kids to attend school. They live in a society where there are no repercussions for their actions. What are you going to tell them? If you don't attend school you're going to spend the rest of your life on welfare in government subsidized housing, having sex all day, drinking and playing video games. Now there's a penalty.

Even worse if they do attend school they'll likely have to work hard for the rest of their lives subsidizing all their friends who dropped out. To a kid this just doesn't make sense. Heck, to me it doesn't make sense. But as long as our society supports the very poor and the very rich there's very little incentive to be anything in between.
 
2007-01-24 10:39:09 AM
enave


birdboy2000 /Suck it, cons.

Except that this is a city run by libs. Nice try tho.

yeah the dems are worse than the repubs when it comes to you raising your children. the dems what to be the "Mommy" and the repubs want to be the "daddy"
 
2007-01-24 10:41:19 AM
From TFA:Parents also must pay the cost of arresting and detaining the child if he or she is convicted. A proposal that would have allowed police officers to return truant students to school was defeated.

So you take a very poor area and fine the parents when their kids skip school, and just returning the little bastards back to school was defeated. Sounds like this program still needs a little tweaking!

/They need to watch "The Principal", case closed.
 
2007-01-24 10:42:04 AM
Here's a novel idea: two choices, a 15+ year old must either attend school or have a job (provable). No jobs available? Tough shiat, get back to school. Don't want to go to school? Tough shiat, get to work.
 
2007-01-24 10:43:16 AM
andrew131

How the fark do they do that without a judge?

By passing the law and expecting that by the time someone takes it all the way up and gets it overturned, they will already have made $X in revenue from people who pay instead of fighting, thrown X people in jail for violating their probation / parole guidelines, etc.

There is a reason you see laws like this in places like Flint where the only people who lived there are too poor to move out (i.e. too poor to fight the law) and are ignorant of the law too.
 
2007-01-24 10:44:47 AM
vertigo32
I'm sure the ACLU will have a field day with the law, it's expressly forbidden. The police cannot be the judge, jury and executioner.
 
2007-01-24 10:46:58 AM
Firefly4F4

Does the curfew only apply to people who live in the area? Any exceptions made for funerals, religious holidays & the like?

I was wondering that too. What happens if a kid in the next town has school off that day (perhaps because of a teacher work day or something) and decides to drive over to this town to go to Best Buy or something? Is he going to arrested then? I'm sure that will go over well.
 
2007-01-24 10:56:38 AM
Great Idea- giving parents a financial incentive to keep the kids on track is a win for everyone.

Of course- the deadbeats won't be able to pay, and then they'll have to go to court, and they won't be able to pay for those fines... on and on.

I hate to admit it, but the burden of our country is that we are going to have to pay for the deadbeats. You take the good with the bad.
 
2007-01-24 11:02:07 AM
Take the kids out of school. Put the parents in school. Teach them how to be parents.
 
2007-01-24 11:03:01 AM
pvd021

If you can't pick up your kids or provide some form of transportation (bus money) for your kids to get home within 3 hours, you really shouldn't HAVE KIDS...... Seriously if you can't do this, you're beyond being a failure of a parent. You're a failure of a human being.

That's great and all, but statements (rants) like that won't fix the problem. These people DO have kids, and the problem won't go away by making statements like that and walking away.

That being said, I don't have the answer either.
 
2007-01-24 11:05:53 AM
armin101,

And we're already paying through the nose to make bankers rich enough to be financially secure for life for doing almost no work - to have to pay for the deadbeats, too is just too much!
 
2007-01-24 11:23:39 AM
submitter: daytime curfew for minors.

And yes Curfews are illegal in any form.
 
2007-01-24 11:40:58 AM
It probably has nothing to do with the idea of forcing them back into school by not letting them outside.

Its probably due more to the FACT that those little farkers are hoodlums. If you make sure that the little bastard is in-doors annoying his parents; with his criminal tendancys and uncontrolable ADHD. Then its a high likely hood that said delinquent parents of said delinquent child, will force gods-little-monster back out of the house. If the only other place that johnny-window-breaker can go is school, then the problem is solved.

/kills 3 birds with one curfew
//slashy
 
2007-01-24 11:41:36 AM
ornithopter: Parents have to pick up the kid within *three hours*? I bet people's bosses are really going to like that one. Choose between losing your job or getting a misdemeanor, real nice choice. And then charge parents fees on top of it.

Thank you for saying that. I'm surprised it took so long. Especially a problem if said parent leaves for work long before student would leave for school and returns after student should be back. Admittedly, younger kids would be likely to have a 'sitter, but what about those teenagers? Some parents barely making minimum wage trying to pay a 'sitter to keep their teenage kid in line? And what about teenagers who break from school after getting there? Right. Brilliant plan.

Idiots.
 
2007-01-24 11:55:11 AM
portia_srs

Agreed. This undermines discipline when you have laws like this, now the kids have a bit of a 'nuclear option'. "If you don't buy me this / do this then I'm going to skip school until I get you fired."

I think at very least the kids should be put in a holding cell or forced to do the equivalent of an in-school suspension until their parents pick them up, or just put them in a holding cell and release them an hour after the end of the school day.

Make a kid sit quietly at a desk and write / copy out of a textbook, under the supervision of a pissed off cop (and yes, watching teenagers will give you one pissed off cop) and after a day or two they aren't going to want to come back. In-house suspension is one of the best punishments that schools ever came up with. It's all the suckiness of school combined with hand cramping copying of text, with none of the minor socialization benefits you get by going to class.
 
2007-01-24 11:59:04 AM
I hope they're studying the McD's ad on that page, if they expect to make it in life they'll have to know the menu.
 
2007-01-24 11:59:40 AM
I guess it would be racist to ask if the failing kids are mainly white?



/doubt it
 
2007-01-24 12:16:23 PM
dude....
members.cox.net

They SAID we had to stay inside...
 
2007-01-24 12:17:29 PM
What about home-schooled kids? Or, if Michigan offers it, post-secondary enrollment option?

/didn't spend much time actually in high school during high school
 
2007-01-24 12:18:31 PM
Mr. Right


We seem to have figured out that education is essential to long term success in life. We offer free education through high school. How about, in a nod toward individual responsibility, we make any government benefits (welfare, ADC, etc.) contingent upon possession of a HS diploma or GED and, until such diploma is achieved, all responsibility for the physical well-being of the un-educated be the responsibility of the parent or guardian. I can't imagine anything making a parent more motivated to make sure the kid keeps his butt in school than the threat of having to feed, house and clothe his sorry ass until he gets his diploma.


I like your idea and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Seriously, that is a real good idea.
 
2007-01-24 12:21:08 PM
musmatta
lol america
North America or South America?
 
2007-01-24 12:30:11 PM
Supercheeks
The one country that is routinely referred to as America. I hate when people try to be shiat heads for saying "America."

Which one? The country that has farking "America" in the name.
 
2007-01-24 12:34:27 PM

But, but Hollywood sez . . .


www.theautochannel.com

If this curfew plan doesn't work lets next try supplying crack to parents of
kids with good attendance.



And if that doesn't work, let supply heroin injections in home room. Let them
nod off at their desks all day.


We must keep those attendance-based federal funds flowing into the teachers
retirement plans at any cost.

 
2007-01-24 12:36:29 PM
machoprogrammer
Mr. Right

I like your idea and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Seriously, that is a real good idea.


I concur...but this opens a huge can of worms. What about people who are incapable of getting a Diploma or GED? (i know, i know, any idiot can, but still)? Are we going to take away their voting rights too? Hell, we can't really discriminate against convicted felons like that, much less people who haven't done anything 'wrong'.

How about the older people who never needed a diploma and left school after 9th or 10th grade back in 1947? All of a sudden, you have given school administrators the ability to utterly screw over the lives of kids they don't like by simply failing them. I don't think our education system is ready to have that much control and responsibility.

If you did this an absolute requirement would be to allow anyone to get a diploma by passing a standardized test...and I believe intelligence tests have been declared unconstitutional for voting or other requirements.
 
2007-01-24 12:53:45 PM
Wow. 60% don't graduate? That's an improvement. When I was in high school in Detroit (class of '89) the graduation rate was about 25%. So, 40% is an improvement!

(Flint...Detroit...until you're north or west of Lansing, it's all the same thing.)
 
2007-01-24 01:12:09 PM
amuro98: Wow. 60% don't graduate? That's an improvement. When I was in high school in Detroit (class of '89) the graduation rate was about 25%. So, 40% is an improvement

IIRC my high school graduating class was only 1/3 the size of my freshman class. The other 2/3 either flunked, dropped out, moved, never attended at all or transferred to another school.
 
2007-01-24 01:30:55 PM
In Seattle, they pay for HS dropouts (most of them homeless) to go to Trade Schools. You don't need formal education to make good money. Thing is, most union gigs that pay well without education aren't exactly great jobs. But, hey, at least they're not taggin up my walls.
 
2007-01-24 01:51:07 PM
"The ordinance allows police to arrest a child who is supposed to be in school."
"A proposal that would have allowed police officers to return truant students to school was defeated."


What's wrong with these people? It's okay to arrest the child, but bringing him to school is not?
 
2007-01-24 01:58:45 PM
Looks like the Supreme Court decision a few years ago, upholding affirmative action (quota) admissions to University of Michigan, is paying off in spades, huh??

/haha, he said "spades"
 
2007-01-24 02:01:12 PM
Letting HOT female teacher have sex with students would work better. I know you couldn't get me to leave.
 
2007-01-24 02:01:53 PM
amuro98

(Flint...Detroit...until you're north or west of Lansing, it's all the same thing.)

Well, there is the little pocket of sanity that I live in...Pfizer is doing their damndest to turn Ann Arbor into Flint, but (hopefully) it's going to take more then that. Ann Arbor - Saline - Dexter - Chelsea aren't bad, although you go much outside that area and you are getting very rednecktastic, or into Ypsi you ghetto pretty fast.
 
2007-01-24 02:06:51 PM
there should be a law that says if you drop out of high school for any reason other than health reasons (diseases or psychological disorders) you should be forced to join the military.

/it'd be like a draft, but only for stupid people.
//the military does need them bodies to use as human sheilds!
 
2007-01-24 02:08:57 PM
Students' right of assembly is similar to the right of assembly of prisoners in solitary. Some rights don't apply across the board in all situations.
 
2007-01-24 03:30:15 PM
I have to wonder where so many Farkers like "birdboy2000" have gotten the idea that the Constitution somehow guarantees Anarchy. Clearly, there are ALL KINDS of laws governing "free speech" and "the right to assembly." Especially where children are concerned. Anyone that doesn't recognize the difference between children and adults would be considered insane in all cases and criminally liable in most.
 
2007-01-24 03:55:39 PM
I predict a rickets epidemic in the near future...
 
2007-01-24 04:38:39 PM
Langdon Alger

gather them up and see if we can't make some sort of alternative fuel out of them

That company with the thermal depolymerization process they use to make oil from chicken parts works with anything organic.
 
2007-01-24 07:30:29 PM
I am SHOCKED this would be necessary in Flint Michigan!

http://flint.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

i51.photobucket.com
 
2007-01-24 07:34:39 PM
I bet these kids are...aww damnit I hate that racism is so often right.
 
2007-01-24 07:37:31 PM
One unintended side effect of this is that homeschoolers will be stuck inside even after they finish their usual 3-4 hours of homework. This discriminates against homeschoolers.
 
2007-01-24 08:28:49 PM
hrricne: 60%...meh, they can always join the military.

Maybe the Army or USMC - the Navy and USAF has no use for troops that don't have the cranial capacity for a HS diploma.
 
2007-01-24 09:11:06 PM
You have to have high school or GED for the Army. Probably the Marines too.

I love the high school my daughter will go to. It has a 99% graduation rate with 98% enrollment in higher education.

It's also 70% Asian. If people were smart, they'd similarly adopt a culture that values education.

/not Asian
 
2007-01-24 10:35:35 PM
Catracks: I love the high school my daughter will go to. It has a 99% graduation rate with 98% enrollment in higher education.

It's also 70% Asian. If people were smart, they'd similarly adopt a culture that values education.


Right on! Can't quite figure out where you are from your profile, but I'm in educational software and based on those numbers, I bet there are students in the district that use one or more of my company's products.

If you haven't seen the nationwide averages, they're appalling and much more geographically diverse than you'd think - North, South, urban, rural - they all have problem districts with low grad rates. I like to think my job lets me help, in some small way, thousands of kids recover the credits they need to graduate.
 
2007-01-25 08:41:58 AM
Education really is all about culture. My grandparents and great-grandparents moved here from Europe during WW2, and one of my grandfathers is a college professor, so we've always been real big on education. Similarly, the Asian / Indian / Jewish communities push education hard, and are correspondingly highly successful. On the other end of the spectrum are the blacks, who tend to focus more on physical activity than education, with the result being that they have lots of sports stars but also crappy education and by far the highest percentage of criminals. And the sad thing is that the treasured "black culture" really isn't even black at all - it's descended from the white trash culture of the South, which came from the poorer parts of England. Ebonics is actually white in origin. So why the crap do blacks feel such a loyalty to a culture that isn't theirs and is obviously not working at all? I blame the Democrats for pushing "Black Pride" rather than more useful things like reading (and by that I mean phonics), writing, and math.

Bottom line, stick with the nearest culture that actually works, even if it means dumping your own. A culture that doesn't value education is worthless in today's world of technology.
 
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