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(Yahoo)   Scientists claim feathered dinosaur flew like bi-plane, proving some people get paid grant money to play dungeon master   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 49
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2007-01-22 10:12:06 PM
Bi-planes? Psh. Wake me up when they get these.

www.dlivers.net
 
2007-01-23 12:08:37 AM
I RTFA....I taste ice cream. Is this normal?
 
2007-01-23 12:09:00 AM
They give out grants for DMs?

Why was I not told of this?

If anybody who gives out such grants is watching: please, tell me how to apply!

/I've got better custom monsters than biplane dinosaurs.
 
2007-01-23 12:13:17 AM
DM: Why are casting Magic Missile? There's nothing to attack here.
Golstaff: I...I'm attacking the darkness!
 
2007-01-23 12:14:08 AM
www.hcc.hawaii.edu
 
2007-01-23 12:14:42 AM
"It's difficult to see how this animal does anything well, it seems so ungainly," Carrano said. "It forces us to think creatively because it's so far off the beaten path."

...or it forces bone diggers to make up shiat to explain their poor grasp of basic aerodynamics. It's this kind of 'science' that makes me wish I'd done my first science fair project on the merits of C-4 in controlled settings, such as science fairs.

Their feathered turtle dog no more flew than it could shiat pewter mailboxes.
 
2007-01-23 12:15:26 AM
Man I hate those little footpad monsters that will steal the sword right out of your hand.
Make sure you have you a Oh Kath Ra spell primed to nuke that little sucker!
 
2007-01-23 12:20:24 AM
i98.photobucket.com
Maybe M. Gui was a terrible flyer, but this would be an awesome blacklight poster. LL Cool Gui represent.
 
2007-01-23 12:24:56 AM
Dude, wait...what? Dinosaurs were bi? Was that like, what lead to their extiction?
 
2007-01-23 12:26:06 AM
So it's less like a pitts and more like a quickie 2.
i107.photobucket.com
 
2007-01-23 12:26:43 AM
...or was that supposed to be "led to" ?
 
2007-01-23 12:28:43 AM
I would like the four piece Microraptor hot wings please.
 
2007-01-23 12:30:54 AM
ミクロラプトル・グイ
 
2007-01-23 12:31:42 AM
hexane: I would like the four piece Microraptor hot wings please.

Will that be ranch or BBQ with that ?
 
2007-01-23 12:33:05 AM
Rufus_T_Firefly: ミクロラプトル・グイ

*squint* My kana may not be quite right, but I think you may have misspelled something there.
 
2007-01-23 12:35:16 AM
It's the GAME MASTER. game master.
 
2007-01-23 12:36:46 AM
muninsfire: Rufus_T_Firefly: ミクロラプトル・グイ

*squint* My kana may not be quite right, but I think you may have misspelled something there.



Yeah, we don't speaking Japanese here, dude...Kapeesh ?

/I love beer, beer loves me...
///Great big happy farkin' family !
 
2007-01-23 12:39:58 AM
That's not really reminiscent of a normal biplane anyway. The whole point of a biplane is that you can cross brace the wings to make them stronger.
 
2007-01-23 12:45:54 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

approoves...
 
2007-01-23 12:46:16 AM
Stupid tag 'cause why?
 
2007-01-23 12:46:38 AM
How many farking times are people going to keep reporting this as real news?

I am a paleontologist. I, and most paleontologists, know that this is impossible. While there were long feathers on the back legs, the joint at the hip would not allow the leg to be at that angle.

In short: This is impossible. Their legs could not do this. Please stop making news stories about old information that is incorrect.
 
2007-01-23 12:51:10 AM
that thing in Rufus_T_Firefly looks more ridiculous the more I look at it. What would keep all of those trailing edge feathers from just flexing upward whenever the thing pushed down with his wings? In birds I think the bones go all the way to the back of the wing at the tips, and the trailing edge of the wing is more like a straight line between the wing tip and the body. I think anyway. I don't remember what all birds look like, but I've never seen a bird that made me wonder what kept the feathers from flexing.
 
2007-01-23 12:51:14 AM
Much as it pains me to agree with one of the Bozeman crowd, Bulls_Eye01 is correct. To hell with Chilton's complaining about basic aerodynamics, as paleontologists they're supposed to have a grasp of basic anatomy.

As with most of the stuff that gets out into the public eye, there's a lot more to the story than is mentioned in the article and it's mostly old news anyways.
 
2007-01-23 12:52:51 AM
I meant "...in Rufus_T_Firefly's picture..."
 
2007-01-23 01:01:49 AM
What a bitter, sad subby. Wah wah wahhhhh!
 
2007-01-23 01:04:42 AM
Flight or no flight, I still think they look cool.
 
2007-01-23 01:08:19 AM
old news. as an amateur in paleontology, this form of flight remains dubious.
 
2007-01-23 01:11:11 AM
Maneuverability Class C
 
2007-01-23 01:11:39 AM
Oh man, is there going to be a nerd fight? Please. I'd like to see a good, old fashion paleontologist fight.
 
2007-01-23 01:17:04 AM
You're a Mean Drunk R2D2: In birds I think the bones go all the way to the back of the wing at the tips...

Not really. I have small parrots as pets, lovebirds to be precise, and you would be surprised how far the flight feathers extend from the ends of the limbs.

I don't remember what all birds look like, but I've never seen a bird that made me wonder what kept the feathers from flexing.

A close up view of a feather reveals minute interlinking barbs that provide strength and flexibility. Wing flexing/warping is necessary for flight. That being said, I still would have to agree with what others have said that it was a glider, not a flapping flyer.
 
2007-01-23 01:32:55 AM
 
2007-01-23 01:36:14 AM
I put on my robe and wizard hat.

/and accept your grant money
 
2007-01-23 02:35:35 AM
Freak of Nurture: Maneuverability Class C

At best. Definitely worse than the winged serpent, which is the closest AD&D analog I could find.

/2nd ed., baby!
 
2007-01-23 02:48:11 AM
ミクロラプトル・グイ

yokuro-raptor-gai?
 
2007-01-23 02:50:31 AM
er make that a "gui" at the end...still not sure about that first word...
 
2007-01-23 03:27:12 AM
No, it's mikuro, for "micro." It's one of those not-quite-there gailaigo that gets used for whatever reason. Kinda like ゼネナル for "general," as in General Motors.

Anyways, it's a genus/species in katakana (microraptor gui). Would have been amazed if anyone got that one on their own.

Wikipedia: Microraptor
 
2007-01-23 03:47:47 AM
muninsfire
"They give out grants for DMs?
Why was I not told of this?
If anybody who gives out such grants is watching: please, tell me how to apply!"


Message from one geek to all geeks who are still in college: it IS possible to get a grant to play D&D:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/news/20070119a
(no clicky, too lazy)
 
2007-01-23 08:25:40 AM
Gee, long trailing feathers on a bird that have little or nothing to do with flight?!

(insert pictures of peacock, various other tropical birds, I got no skillz)

What a foolish notion.
 
2007-01-23 09:06:35 AM
Why the stupid tag? Is science just too scary for you??
 
2007-01-23 10:33:05 AM
Why the stupid tag? Is science just too scary for you??

Yes. I'm terribly intimidated by those who call themselves "scientists" by making nonsensical claims based on nearly no evidence. Although I suppose the "scary" tag would actually denote fear more than the "stupid" tag, eh?

The only thing that scares me more than this stupid form of "science" is when a fool tries to emphasize his point by abusing punctuation, as in ending a question with multiple question marks.

Also, maybe I'm the only one who thought the article was very poorly written. Why all the business about the Wright Brothers?
 
2007-01-23 12:02:36 PM
I officially have a crush on both Bulls_Eye01 and The Shoveller now.

/loves dinosaur bones & rocks
//was gonna be a geologist, but went to art school instead
///go figure
 
2007-01-23 12:41:40 PM
www.samizdat.com.ar


/DNRTFA
 
2007-01-23 01:58:29 PM
 
2007-01-23 04:37:19 PM
muninsfire

Nope, he spelled it right.
 
2007-01-23 05:52:51 PM
rodeofrog

I'm terribly intimidated by those who call themselves "scientists" by making nonsensical claims based on nearly no evidence

I'm just curious as to how much 'evidence' you would require before it would be okay to suggest a hypothesis. When presented with a fossilized specimen is it not okay to use a background in anatomy, geology, and functional morphology (among other things) to interpret the remains? What background do you have that allows you to refute the current suggestions as 'nonsensical'?

I don't really agree with the suggestions of the paper, but obviously you've seen the specimen and have determined that there is no basis for the claims of the authors.

oxymephorous

A teacher who has a housetrained rabbit? Will you be my sugarmomma?
 
2007-01-23 08:17:02 PM
Ever hear of Jim Jensen? That's my dad.
 
2007-01-24 12:07:02 AM
rodeofrog

Ah, so you're the one who maintains dinosaurjim.com ! I've been there many a time. Still not sure why you're dismissing the article out of hand, but this is a really neat revelation so I don't particularly care. I'm simply hoping that your 'scientist' remark was directed towards a small segment of the field and not all of us together (although obviously your opinion is your own).

Do you go by 'Dino-Jim-Junior'?
 
2007-01-24 03:53:45 AM
I read that article, saw the name Chatterjee, and immediately thought this hypothesis of his would be funny. Unfortunately, as The Shoveller and Bulls_Eye01 said, dinosaurs couldn't splay their legs sideways like that, and Chatterjee is right on that score. As for the biplane bit...that'd depend on where the feathers were attached to the hind leg. If they were attached to the sides it's possible they could be spread parallel to the arm-feathers - but how to avoid smacking the wings into them during downstrokes? Was this critter built for such powered flight anyway? Or would this even work for just gliding? Heh...
 
2007-01-24 11:19:11 AM
I have to tell the truth. I'm farking with you. My dad's a different Jim Jensen who also taught at BYU the same time Dinosaur Jim was there. I've been making that joke since I was 6.

Not that it matters now, but I was calling these schmoes lousy scientists, not the entire field.
 
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