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(AP)   Rex Grossman says he means business for this Sunday's NFC Championship game. What could possibly go wrong?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 143
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2007-01-18 09:34:06 AM
He could... y'know... have another decent game like last week?
 
2007-01-18 09:41:46 AM
He's going to crack under pressure. You can read it in him. It's just like when he choked against Tennessee in 2001 when they were one win away from the SEC title game and a shot at the national title. He lost the Heisman, lost the SEC East, and Spurrier quit Florida.
 
2007-01-18 09:48:49 AM
Rex will have to be as perfect as he can be, as well the Bears defense has to step up.

They had an exciting game last week, not a great game. That defense is going to have to step it up. Seattle's run, quarterbacking, and all-around offense is barely half of what New Orleans' is.

If they play like last week, there will be no overtime. Hell, if they play like last week, Drew Brees will be resting in the 4th quarter.

/Moved from Chicago to NOLA
//Bears and Saints fan
///I know, that's cheating
 
2007-01-18 09:51:14 AM
Orton in 2007
 
2007-01-18 10:03:17 AM
nuts to that
GEAUX SAINTS

www.lakefrontairport.com
 
2007-01-18 10:18:55 AM
When did the 10-6 Saints become the 80's 49ers? They are a good team who is playing well, but not unbeatable. Rex has been streaky, but he has had far more great games than terrible ones this season. The Bears running backs are superior to Doosh and Bush (lol), not much, but Bush is more of a Metcalf back. The defense needs to step up and play close to the way they did earlier in the year.
 
2007-01-18 10:24:55 AM
WHO DAT?


/getting the dress ready
 
2007-01-18 10:26:21 AM
cigare1.fatcow.com
 
2007-01-18 10:32:29 AM
2007-01-18 10:18:55 AM generaltimmy


When did the 10-6 Saints become the 80's 49ers?


Last week actually. These playoffs have featured 5 supposedly "premier" running backs (LT, Addai, Larry Johnson, Duece Mcallister and Reggie Bush)

Only two have actually performed as expected, McAllister and Bush; and only one, Bush literally took my breath away watching him run.

Did you see that game? Did you See the Nigh-supernnatural escapes he made? The plays where he got 9 yards even though all his holes collapsed?

You cannot beat a team with a marquee running back playing at the top of his game. Simple as that. If you want to stop him you have to stuff the box, which opens up the deep routes for the recivers. If you don't try to stop him, he'll grind out touchdown after touchdown 4.5 yards at a time.
 
2007-01-18 10:47:48 AM
Only two have actually performed as expected, McAllister and Bush

I wonder what will happen if the Bears win. Does that mean there will be no more people looking to fellatiate Mc/Bush and will have to actually pay attention to the most underrated duo of running backs in the league?

Nah....
 
2007-01-18 10:48:35 AM
Magorn:
Bush literally took my breath away watching him run.


Literally?

I do not think it means what you think it means.
www.sworddragon.com
 
2007-01-18 10:48:46 AM
of course, there should be a "people" in that sentence.
 
2007-01-18 10:48:58 AM
Magorn
We are both we-todd-ed!
LT and Shawn Alexander did not perform as expected? Didn't Westbrook aka Bush Sr. have a good/great game? It looks like your tv only shows Bush runs. So now Bush is the Marquee running back despite McAllister being the feature back and workhorse? Addai is a premier running back in whose world? I am not saying that NO is not a good team and McAllister a top back and Bush good improving backup, but Bush Premier? He is not even a premier kick returner.
 
2007-01-18 10:53:11 AM
Suprman37:
I wonder what will happen if the Bears win. Does that mean there will be no more people looking to fellatiate Mc/Bush and will have to actually pay attention to the most underrated duo of running backs in the league?


I'm pulling for the Bears (then the Saints), but I have no clue what you're talking about. Surely you're not speaking of Jones and Benson? Underrated? Go sell crazy somewhere else.
 
2007-01-18 10:54:13 AM
generaltimmy,

The Bears had a soft schedule this year as well. Like you said, Grossman is streaky. you never know which QB is going to show up. If the Saints D can plant him a few times then he'll be shaken and give up some key ints.
 
2007-01-18 10:58:45 AM
 
2007-01-18 11:08:19 AM
The Bears shhhhedule was not much softer than the saints. Surely you don't mean that overhyped NFC South. It is about matchups. I am not declaring the Bears dominance over the world, just saying that NO is not the end all beall and either team can win.
 
2007-01-18 11:09:46 AM
on the menu in NO Sunday afternoon

Cajun Crow
 
2007-01-18 11:12:39 AM
First of all, I don't know how anyone can say that LT didn't perform as expected. He almost has 200 all-purpose yeards and 2 touchdowns. If you ask me, that's the best RB performance of the playoffs so far. San Diego did not lose because LT failed to produce.

Secondly, why is there so much love for the Saints? I live in Baton Rouge and I can't stand it. They beat the Eagles. So what? The Eagles were the only team to play on less than 7 days rest and New Orleans barely beat them. New Orleans is going to have a hard time in Chicago and I don't think they are going to come out with the win. Chicago is touch defensively and the coaching staff has devised a plan to responsibly use Grossman (as opposed to him being a cowboy earlier in the season). It's all going to come down to the kicking game and unless Carney has found a way to kick a frozen ball in 20+ MPH winds in New Orleans this week, it may be a rough game for him.

Finally, I will take the Jones/Benson duo over the McAllister/Bush duo any day. Chicago will shut McBush down this week.
 
2007-01-18 11:12:51 AM
wakizashi:

I don't see any Saints nor many Saints fans talking trash.

I see the media doing all the talking.
 
2007-01-18 11:13:24 AM
aquigley, definitely hope it snows. It would hopefully slow down the Saints offense and make this a defensive standoff, which is right up the Bears alley.

Careful what we wish for though, because as far as the QB's go, it may not help.

Brees went to college at Purdue, and northern Indiana's winters are every bit as harsh as Chicago's, so I don't see it hurting him much.

Grossman went to college in Florida, and as he's been injured so much in his NFL career, really doesn't have much experience playing cold weather football (outside of maybe his high school years).

Basically, anything that MIGHT be a problem for Grossman scares the bejesus out of me. He is like a glass timebomb out there. I REALLY hope they gave Griese some 1st team reps this weak...
 
2007-01-18 11:14:49 AM
I love fans of teams who are perennial losers all of the sudden have success.

One win over a mediocre team by three points at home and it's "OMG WE WIN SUPER BOWL NOW LOLOLOLOL".

The Saints are a very good team, don't get me wrong, but lets not get too far ahead of ourselves just yet.
 
2007-01-18 11:15:16 AM
generaltimmy: The Bears shhhhedule was not much softer than the saints. Surely you don't mean that overhyped NFC South. It is about matchups. I am not declaring the Bears dominance over the world, just saying that NO is not the end all beall and either team can win.

You can dispute the strength of schedule all you want. The Bears were 13-3 and the Saints were 10-6. Three wins in the NFL is huge. The Bears are a better team.

/I'm a Bills fan.
//I hate the Saints and the LSU Tigers
///I also hate the Bears' fans.
 
2007-01-18 11:17:08 AM
The Bears had a soft schedule this year as well.

And between the Bears and Saints, who had more wins over teams with WINNING records this year? Oh that's right. "Feel good story" so no one wants to talk about that.

And yes, Jones and Benson are underrated. Neither are Walter Payton, but they are exactly what their team needs them to be and they don't turn the ball over. Because they don't have break out 200+ yard games or L1/R1 juke left/right highlights, no one talks about them, but they are vital to the team's play style.
 
2007-01-18 11:19:14 AM
murp0837:
Finally, I will take the Jones/Benson duo over the McAllister/Bush duo any day. Chicago will shut McBush down this week.


Why are so many Bears fans such homers? Jones/Benson over Deuce and Bush? You are on crack. Seriously. I'd give up Jones and Benson, half the WR corps, and the White Sox for the Saints backfield.
 
2007-01-18 11:24:44 AM
KiwDaWabbit:
One win over a mediocre team by three points at home and it's "OMG WE WIN SUPER BOWL NOW LOLOLOLOL".


You just described both the Bears and the Saints. Do you really think the Eagles weren't better than the Seahawks?

Curse you people for making me argue against the Bears, but the glass house syndrome is ridiculous in these Bears-Saints threads, and it's always by other Bears supporters.

I have yet to see any actual Saints fan talk any smack. It's imagined.
 
2007-01-18 11:25:04 AM
///I also hate the Bears' fans.

Every team has their jerkhole representatives.

I see myself as somewhat of a typical Bears fan. I hope for the best and expect a disaster. I take the approach of letting everything play out rather than trash talking, although when someone lambastes them before the fact and the Bears happen to prove them wrong, I normally won't allow them to forget their prediction.

I also feel that, objectively, the Saints are the stronger team. However, that is why they play the games.
 
2007-01-18 11:27:05 AM
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Why are so many Bears fans such homers? Jones/Benson over Deuce and Bush? You are on crack. Seriously. I'd give up Jones and Benson, half the WR corps, and the White Sox for the Saints backfield.

I live in Baton Rouge, LA and grew up in Buffalo. How am I a homer? Look at the stats. Benson and Jones are clearly better. They're tougher, stronger, and more durable.
 
2007-01-18 11:28:13 AM
You just described both the Bears and the Saints. Do you really think the Eagles weren't better than the Seahawks?

No.

Curse you people for making me argue against the Bears, but the glass house syndrome is ridiculous in these Bears-Saints threads, and it's always by other Bears supporters.

That's kind of what I was going for, except in response to what I've seen.

I have yet to see any actual Saints fan talk any smack. It's imagined.

You may be looking in the wrong places.
 
2007-01-18 11:42:45 AM
Good to know he's not too distracted for this game. I'm glad he's paying attention.
 
2007-01-18 11:48:23 AM
"I did alright today, and we got the win. The last game of the season I was distracted because it was New Years. I was impressed with my concentration [against the Seahawks] considering tonight was Martin Luther King days eve. While it may not traditionally be a night to go drinking, Kyle [Orton] and I decided to make it one." - Rex Grossman
 
2007-01-18 11:49:23 AM
KiwDaWabbit: I love fans of teams who are perennial losers all of the sudden have success.

One win over a mediocre team by three points at home and it's "OMG WE WIN SUPER BOWL NOW LOLOLOLOL".

The Saints are a very good team, don't get me wrong, but lets not get too far ahead of ourselves just yet.


Up until that third sentence there, I had no idea who you were talking about.
 
2007-01-18 11:52:46 AM
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Brees went to college at Purdue, and northern Indiana's winters are every bit as harsh as Chicago's, so I don't see it hurting him much

Yeah, but he's from Texas, played in warm weather for a vast majority of his NFL career, and they don't play games in the Big 10 past mid to late November. It's almost never 30 and snowing during the Big 10 season.

I don't think the weather will be much of a factor unless it's windy. I think the crappy Soldier Field grass will be a bigger factor -- you're not going to be seeing amazing Bush runs with the combination of the bad surface (instead of artificial turf that he runs on in the dome) and the speedy LB pair of Briggs and Urlacher.

This game probably comes down to Deuce and Rex. If even Average Rex shows up, the Bears have a shot. If they contain Deuce and they have Average Rex (let alone Good Rex) the Bears win.
 
2007-01-18 11:54:53 AM
SacriliciousBeerSwiller
Brees went to college at Purdue, and northern Indiana's winters are every bit as harsh as Chicago's, so I don't see it hurting him much.

And this might matter IF Purdue was in Northern Indiana. I'm from Lake County, Indiana (63 Bears Season Ticket Holders, 8 Colts Season ticket holders). Purdue doesn't get NEARLY as cold as Chicago because Purdue doesn't have this little thing called Lake Michigan right up against it. Not only does that make the city colder (and teach you about this beautiful thing called lake effect snow), but the stadium is right on the lake.

Drew Brees will not be used to that, especially not playing in Purdue then in NO.

Why are so many Bears fans such homers? Jones/Benson over Deuce and Bush? You are on crack. Seriously. I'd give up Jones and Benson, half the WR corps, and the White Sox for the Saints backfield.

Then you watch too much Sportscenter and not enough games. Jones/Benson are perfect for the Bears scheme of offense. They have a strong inside runner and a faster outside guy. We won't even bring up Peterson. This is very similar to what Mc/Bush are. Now, with that in mind, LOOK AT THE STATS.

So, why do you want their backfield again?

I have yet to see any actual Saints fan talk any smack. It's imagined.

Why do they have to talk any smack when all of the Sports media who isn't busy talking about Peyton Manning is doing it for them?
 
2007-01-18 12:02:45 PM
Up until that third sentence there, I had no idea who you were talking about.

Clue: It wasn't the Patriots ;)
 
2007-01-18 12:14:10 PM
I was going to make points about a) Purdue's location in West Lafayette being wayyy warmer and less snowy than McFetridge Drive, and b) that the Big Ten season ends at Thanksgiving, but I see that other have done so.

The weather is a huuuuuge factor for the passing games of both teams. And since the Saints have the better passing offense, it will affect them more.

Someone else above also made a great point...it's all about Deuce and Rex. Sure, Reggie Bush can make great-googly-moogly plays, but it's Deuce that regularly moves the chains. If the Bears slow him down, they'll be looking good. And all Rex has to do is NOT self-destruct.

I gotta feeling that a lot of people are going to get to know Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson on Sunday. And I do not think the Bears will win by a lot, either.

I think we're looking at a Bears/Colts Super Bowl, which is what I called back in Week 7.

/and I did call that first
//although if I had to make the call in Week 14, I would've said Bears/Chargers
///Kordell
 
2007-01-18 12:19:48 PM
murp0837:
Look at the stats. Benson and Jones are clearly better. They're tougher, stronger, and more durable.


Oh, you called down the thunder.

They may be more durable (I guess?), but they're less talented. Both are backup caliber RBs right now. Benson may develop into a legit starter, but Thomas Jones...no. I've been wanting the Bears to run him out of town for years. He's solid, but that's it. Solid. Please, PLEASE, take him.

Of course the stats probably favor the Bears RBs. We don't have the Saints passing game.

But let's take a peak at the regular season stats:
Deuce Rushing: 1057 yds, 4.3 avg, 70.5 ypg
Deuce Receiving: 198 yds, 6.6 avg, 13.2 ypg
Bush Rushing: 565 yds, 3.6 avg, 35.3 ypg
Bush Receiving: 742 yds, 8.4 avg, 46.4 ypg

Jones Rushing: 1210 yds, 4.1 avg, 75.6 ypg
Jones Receiving: 154 yds, 4.3 avg, 9.6 ypg
Benson Rushing: 647 yds, 4.1 avg, 43.1 ypg
Benson Receiving: 54 yds, 6.8 avg, 3.6 ypg

So let's add it all up.

Deuce Total: 1255 yds, 4.6 avg
Bush Total: 1307 yds, 5.4 avg
Jones Total: 1364 yds, 4.1 avg
Benson Total: 701 yds, 4.2 avg

Combined Total:
Deuce-Bush: 2562 yds, 5.0 avg, 18 TDs
Jones-Benson: 2065 yds, 4.2 avg, 12 TDs

So no, statistically, Jones and Benson are most certainly NOT better. On top of that, Bush is a game breaker, an intangible that none of the other 3 can claim.

I think you're just being biased, as you already admitted you flat out hate the Saints (and LSU).

Most other Bears fans would agree with me that the Bears would love to have the Saints backfield. You just might have to get them liquored up first.

And with that, not to be a prick, but I AM a prick...
www.godmonkey.com
 
2007-01-18 12:27:44 PM
Is it the Colts dousche bag GM or is it their dousche bag owner who pronounces New England's name as PAY-TREE-AUGHTS?
 
2007-01-18 12:31:55 PM
Suprman37

The lake doesn't make winters any colder. Actually, because water has such a high specific heat, it is generally considerably warmer than the air during the winter. The temperature difference makes nature pissy, and as a result the lowest layer of the atmosphere is warmer than it would be over land. Granted, western LP Michigan generally gets more benefit from this, but still -- to say that the lake makes Chicago colder means you fail Boundary Layer Meteorology. Lake effect snow is a result of the air being warmed by the lake, not cooled. :-)

To keep this from being a total thread-jack, I will say that because I don't give a damn about the actual outcome of the game, I will root for Drew Brees and the Saints on principle.
 
2007-01-18 12:32:17 PM
Bears fans crack me up! "Look at the statistics" OK. You're wrong. I love listening to The Score and hearing what the fans have to say. Some guy, just yesterday, suggested that they put Urlacher in at RB.

A few years ago, when the Bears went 13-3 with Jim Miller at QB, local sports radio polled the audience to ask if the Bears were now "one of the elite teams in the NFL." Invariably, the audience screamed, "Hell Yes!" HaHaHaHa.
 
2007-01-18 12:35:26 PM
Grossman just needs to shut up.

I still don't feel very confident going into this game on Sunday. Although I felt the same way when the WhiteSox were heading towards the World Series and boy was I wrong there.
 
2007-01-18 12:36:38 PM
SacriliciousBeerSwiller
So no, statistically, Jones and Benson are most certainly NOT better.

Ah... I see you went the extra step of adding in receiving yards... despite your earlier statement that Chicago doesn't have the passing game NO does... and despite the fact that with the passing yards added, NO is up by only 500 yards despite the fact that Benson is ABSOLUTELY NOT a pass down back.

Once again, this comes from not watching the games.

And, y'know, who doesn't look like a superstar when playing against the 49ers? Show me this game breaking ability against a competent team.

As it has been said twice, the game will come down to McAllister and Grossman. Bush is a non factor against a defense like Chicago's. His outside speed won't help him against the fast linebacker corps. McAllister can, however, exploit the holes in Chicago's line.

This won't be an easy game, but it's not as if the Bears aren't even in the game.
 
2007-01-18 12:38:21 PM
dj_relish

Oh, come on! Every elite franchise wins a playoff game once every decade or so. Even the Chargers.
 
2007-01-18 12:39:39 PM
Suprman37, one of my best friends went to Purdue, and I've been to a few games there in the late 90s. It was colder that farking sh*t. I think you overestimate the lake effect in Chicago, too. In fact, in recent years, the burbs have often been hit with more snow than we have. Lake effect in Chicago != lake effect in, say, South Bend.
 
2007-01-18 12:43:59 PM
SacriliciousBeerSwiller

Adding the receiving yards should only count if you take away the yards Reggie Bush gained when he was lined up in the slot. And I also see you neglected the dreaded "fumbles" statistic.
 
2007-01-18 12:48:22 PM
Suprman37:
Ah... I see you went the extra step of adding in receiving yards... despite your earlier statement that Chicago doesn't have the passing game NO does...


You said they were statistically better, and now you're backpedaling.

and despite the fact that with the passing yards added, NO is up by only 500 yards despite the fact that Benson is ABSOLUTELY NOT a pass down back.

So, since the Saints RBs only got 88% of the rushing carries the Bears got, I guess we should eliminate 12% of the Bears RBs yardage, since we're apparently massaging the stats to make up for different playcall styles.

So, just for rushing:
Deuce-Bush: 1622 yds
Jones-Benson: 1634 yds

So ok, if Bush had the same receiving talent as Benson, then Jones-Benson is better by 12 whole yards. You got me.

Once again, this comes from not watching the games.

Yes, clearly. I don't ever watch football. That's why I'm in this thread.
 
2007-01-18 12:50:24 PM
SacriliciousBeerSwiller, YOU STOLE MY THUNDER.

I will, however, add that Bush is getting better as the season goes on, as well, so we're still waiting for him to get to his full potential.

and in the playoff games, Benson + Jones = 33 carries for 109 yards, for a 3.3 YPC average (against a Seattle defense that was not only missing its CBs to make it easier to pass, but also missing it's best run defender)

McAlister + Bush = 33 carries for 195 yards and a 5.9 YPC average. That's not even including the receiving yards (NO backs over CHI backs 42-30)

but now that the crappy sod has been brought up, wtf at that crap, both Sunday games were made worse by the shiatty field conditions due to new sod.

/btw, the Bears did a great job stopping the 75-80% Shaun Alexander. over 100 yards and 2 TD's, that's fantastic against a guy who ran for less than 70 yards on a similar amount of carries AT HOME against the Cowboys.
 
2007-01-18 12:55:40 PM
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/mandatory
 
2007-01-18 12:59:55 PM
It's the forgotten play of the weekend: Reggie Bush damn near lost the season for the Saints by dropping an easy pitch from Brees with three minutes left.

He has had a case of the fumbles all season. The Bears are the best at forcing turnovers. I welcome Reggie Bush in the cold trying to stretch a two-yard-loss into a gain...that ball will be coming out.
 
2007-01-18 01:00:51 PM
RadioAaron: How 'bout those Seahawks?!? Wooooo!
 
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