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(Yahoo)   Ninety-four percent of Americans believe troops will still be in Iraq when President McCain takes office. The other six percent believe in the FSM   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 55
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2007-01-16 07:08:38 AM  
McCain? Meh. Maybe. He has quite a bit of distancing to do from Bush policies.

I can guarentee this, if troops are still in Iraq when the 08 campaign cycle starts in earnest, the next president WILL be anti-war.

/Ron Paul '08!
 
2007-01-16 07:17:15 AM  
Nixon in '08!
He's decomposed, rested, and ready.
 
2007-01-16 07:22:49 AM  
Silly... McCains makes French Fries, not noodles
 
2007-01-16 07:48:55 AM  
Churchill2004: if troops are still in Iraq when the 08 campaign cycle starts

If ?

I can't even find a sucker willing to bet they won't be there.
 
2007-01-16 08:06:40 AM  
By November 2008 we will be in a three-front war; Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

N. Korea will have sold some nukes to Chavez, and we will have a second missile crisis in this hemisphere.

The draft will have been effect for a year and the death toll will be in the hundreds a day.

America will continue to watch reality TV instead of voting.
 
2007-01-16 08:23:07 AM  
Churchill2004 /Ron Paul '08!
i106.photobucket.com
 
2007-01-16 08:35:20 AM  
Scumbag against douchebag: The 08 race?

I know who my yuan is on
 
2007-01-16 09:17:31 AM  
McCain's gonna be president?
www.sfgate.com
ORLY?
 
2007-01-16 09:29:39 AM  
Submitter: McCain

I don't think so
 
2007-01-16 09:33:51 AM  
The only way the troops are coming home is if Congress defunds the war, forces troop withdrawl through appropriations (like Vietnam), or nullifies Bush's war powers through a bill.

Bush though is not going to pull the troops out, because he doesn't want history to paint him as the President who lost the Iraq war. So in essence our troops are being killed and maimed in Iraq to protect the President's ego.
 
2007-01-16 09:34:28 AM  
RagingLeonard, that's harsh. But entirely plausible.
 
2007-01-16 09:57:24 AM  
Bah. McCain is as dirty as Murtha.

/Neither should be trusted with any additional responsibility.
 
2007-01-16 09:58:28 AM  
RagingLeonard: By November 2008 we will be in a three-front war; Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

Unless there's another 9/11 and they pin it on Iran, Bush doesn't have the political capital for another full-blown war... and Congress won't go along with it. He might get his ass impeached if he does an all-out assault on Iran without Congressional approval.
 
2007-01-16 10:13:08 AM  
ChairmanKaga: Bah. McCain is as dirty as Murtha.

/Neither should be trusted with any additional responsibility.


That's a pretty apt comparison.

+5 for Congressional scandal knowledge to ChairmanKaga!
 
2007-01-16 10:36:52 AM  
Churchill2004: /Ron Paul '08!

Bears repeating.

Unfortunately, we never get the person that we need. We get the person that we deserve.
 
2007-01-16 10:56:33 AM  
Funny headline, Smitty.

McCain better put some distance between himself and Bush if he wants a chance. But by then I think most people would have figured out he is nothing but a fraud.

he'd make a good used care salesman, though.
 
2007-01-16 11:03:42 AM  
Arizona - Worst state in the country for an education. Just what values would McCain be bringing to the rest of the country? Why did John Mccain vote against making Martin Luther King Junior day a federal holiday?
 
2007-01-16 11:06:55 AM  
Eff McCain. Repubs are going to have their asses handed to them, and the Religious Right is going to be a whiney, pissy biatch for the next 4 to 8 years.


Oh, wait. They're always a whiney, pissy biatch.
 
2007-01-16 11:17:07 AM  
McCain? Meh. Maybe. He has quite a bit of distancing to do from Bush policies.

Ha. At a time when everyone else is running FROM Bush, McCain's running TOWARDS him. He's gone from maverick to mindless yes-man in 5.2 seconds.
 
2007-01-16 11:24:37 AM  
If it's 94% why wasn't anyone I know polled?
 
2007-01-16 11:39:27 AM  
As for saying, "Ron Paul in 2008", I think Dubya has pretty much doomed the chances of any Republican for President in 2008.
 
2007-01-16 11:42:10 AM  
Befuddled

As for saying, "Ron Paul in 2008", I think Dubya has pretty much doomed the chances of any Republican for President in 2008.

If the Democrats put up Hillary or Obama, that will be go ahead for Republicans.
 
2007-01-16 11:43:21 AM  
Is there anything at all that McCain hasn't folded on?
 
2007-01-16 11:43:33 AM  
Here's the funny thing, Befuddled... this is the first time the Republicans have seen their Reagan-era strategies REALLY backfire and blow up in their faces. Primarily by pushing them too far.

TOO MUCH military... TOO MUCH push of religion... TOO MUCH rhetoric marginalizing the other side. And to top it off, they've pretty much destroyed the idea of the Republicans being the party of fiscal responsibility through, well, too damn much spending.

For 20 years, this has been a very successful strategy for them. But if they try it again next election, they're going to get absolutely creamed.

I'm really curious to see what, if anything, they come up with to try. And just co-opting Democratic issues won't do the trick by itself. They're going to have to come up with a totally new strategy for luring people back, but without losing what base they haven't yet lost.
 
2007-01-16 11:43:47 AM  
Good thing the Decider doesn't listen to what the American people want. That's not his job.
 
2007-01-16 11:56:06 AM  
By the time we're out of Iraq, McCain's black baby will be old enough to run for President.
 
2007-01-16 12:01:20 PM  
It is looking like a McCain/Pawlenty ticket right now.

Tim Pawlenty is the current governor of Minnesota.
 
2007-01-16 12:05:29 PM  
WizardX: I'm really curious to see what, if anything, they come up with to try.

The only thing the Republicans can do to win in 2008 is what they did to win in 2004; swiftboat their opponent. Ugly campaigns may be hated by nearly all voters but ugly campaigns win elections. The Republicans are already trying to figure out which Democrat they should be smearing, to cut down any frontrunner as soon as possible. If the Republicans don't play dirty, the Republican candidate will do about as well as Dole did in 1996 as the Republicans don't have anything to run on.
 
2007-01-16 12:20:18 PM  
Even then, Befuddled, a negative campaign ALONE can't always win. Remember, even with the swiftboating, Kerry still ALMOST won. Despite being an uptight, pretentious, unelectable prig.

If the Democrats run someone who is, in fact, more likeable than a moray eel, the Republicans would have a really hard time winning on strength of smear alone. Especially if they end up running Edwards or Obama - people whose records are pretty close to stainless.
 
2007-01-16 12:29:03 PM  
I surely hope someone stronger than McCain emerges for the R's. If the American people are stupid enough to hand control of the entire federal government back to one party (any one party), then we will deserve the ass-pounding we will no doubt receive.
 
2007-01-16 12:41:40 PM  
Actually, MyNameSucks, if you look at the record, America generally swings back and forth between Leftist and Rightist in very large arcs of about 60 years. (that is to say, 30 for each)

And it's pretty much time for the pendulum to start swinging back.

So if you think an ass-pounding is to ensue, my suggestion is to grab the KY and settle in for a long ride.
 
2007-01-16 12:47:45 PM  
FlashLV

If it's 94% why wasn't anyone I know polled?

actually now that I think of it, 94% can't be right.
out of the three people I just asked 2 of them thought the troops would still be there and one wasn't sure...so that would mean that half of all americans are 33% more likely to be polled than the other 80%.

Damn flash you've opened my eyes.
 
2007-01-16 12:49:19 PM  
unexplained bacon

*snicker* Well played.
 
2007-01-16 12:49:38 PM  
undflickertail: Tim Pawlenty is the current governor of Minnesota.

Yeah...you can have him, too...
 
2007-01-16 12:54:46 PM  
unexplained bacon


actually now that I think of it, 94% can't be right.
out of the three people I just asked 2 of them thought the troops would still be there and one wasn't sure...so that would mean that half of all americans are 33% more likely to be polled than the other 80%.

Damn flash you've opened my eyes.


Exactly. I polled about 20 people and 5 said they weren't sure because their crystal ball was broken. 3 rolled bones and said yes, 8 were drooling and high on drugs, and 4 said Iraq?
 
2007-01-16 01:10:17 PM  
There's a flaw in this study - surely there are 2 or 3 percent who believe both!
 
2007-01-16 02:25:47 PM  
Hilary: Sold to corporations and globalism
Obama: Sold to corporations and globalism
Ron Paul: Sold to the constitution and the people

/Ron Paul 08!
 
2007-01-16 02:37:21 PM  
Duncan Hunter.

http://www.peacethroughstrengthpac.com/Home.aspx
 
2007-01-16 02:39:56 PM  
lolmao666: Hilary: Sold to corporations and globalism
Obama: Sold to corporations and globalism
Ron Paul: Sold to the constitution and the people

/Ron Paul 08!


Are you high? Hillary Clinton I could see you making a case for... but if you've actually read Obama's policy positions and looked at his votes, he's nowhere near as "pro-corporate" and "pro-globalism" as you think to see.

And how you can possibly say Ron Paul isn't sold to corporations? The man whose private investments are almost entirely in gold companies just so happens to be advocating for a return to the gold standard (which would be fundamentally retarded), and who campaigns in favor of protectionism and tariffs which favor inefficient American businesses while punishing efficient ones? How can you say that he's in favor of the American constitution when he seeks to remove Supreme Court jurisdiction over civil rights claims, and when he attempts to ban gay couples from adopting - solely because they're homosexual?

He's a whore for the von Mises institute and for gold interests. He will lose the 2008 Republican primary, and rightly so. Scum don't deserve to win anything.
 
2007-01-16 02:45:09 PM  
I like how Bush is handling it - him and Cheney basically tell Congress they got NO power - thereby trying to entice Congress to show their power - thereby being able to say, "Aw, Mom! I don't wanna go home! We were WINNING! We WERE! Now the war is lost, and it's not our fault, really!"
 
2007-01-16 02:48:47 PM  
FlashLV: Exactly.

Sarcasm detector broken??
 
2007-01-16 03:03:46 PM  
RagingLeonard:

Sadly, I think your prediction is the most realistic.
 
2007-01-16 03:12:43 PM  
The Onanist

Sarcasm detector broken??

Nope, yours must be.
 
2007-01-16 03:25:20 PM  
WizardX,
Left...right....whatever. That's nothing but window dressing. The government exists for the sole purpose of providing the minimum of required services while farking over as many citizens as possible. The more power is concentrated, the more (and more often) we get farked. With the R's, our rights get abridged. With the D's, our money gets stolen. Our only hope is gridlock - keep them too busy farking each other to get around to farking us.
 
2007-01-16 03:49:20 PM  
FlashLV: Nope, yours must be.

Um, see, I understood the sarcasm directed your way...yet it seems that you completely missed it...
 
2007-01-16 03:57:52 PM  
The Onanist


Um, see, I understood the sarcasm directed your way...yet it seems that you completely missed it...


I guess since I responded to it sarcasticly, but what ever you want to think.
 
2007-01-16 04:07:51 PM  
FlashLV: I guess since I responded to it sarcasticly, but what ever you want to think.

I'm not sure you have the same definition of "sarcasm:" as the rest of the folks on this planet.
 
2007-01-16 04:19:55 PM  
I know Bush is lucky if he can finish a sentence like "See Spot run" without his tongue making like Chevy Chase impersonating Gerald Ford, but that doesn't mean the rest of us can't use a bit of common sense - how many Americans are actually dim enough to believe that we'd have a place as beat-up as Iraq wrapped up nice-n-neat in five years?

McCain figured 8-10 years for Iraq at least two years ago, IIRC.
 
2007-01-16 04:47:28 PM  
RagingLeonard - Four fronts, if you count the civil strife. I don't think the young'ns are going to like the prospect of being slaves.

As for the rest of America, I figure that a few funerals, and/or/after frenzied calls to various government offices in the futile attempt to figure out what classified things happened to your rabble rousing sons and daughters when they were picked up by the Dept. of Homeland Security, just might take all the lustre out of the American Idol/24/Rome experience.

While this administration has given me no reason to believe that they would refrain from certain activities solely on the grounds that to indulge in those activities would be rock farking stupid, I nevertheless have trouble believing that they would be so dumb as to wake up the people they're robbing.

I farking hate it. All the hope the '06 elections had given me has disappeared, and every single one of the images that I'd hoped had been dispelled by them have come crashing back: Images of genocide and slavery, images of death and world/nuclear war, and of prison camps, civil strife and torture.
 
2007-01-16 05:28:22 PM  
when President McCain takes office.

So, subby how many animals did Moses take on the ark?
 
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