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2007-01-12 08:58:06 PM
Laserdisc is a lousy comparison. TVs have dramatically improved in the last few years. DVD is decent, for certain, but HD is spec-farking-tacular, especially if you have a 50"+ HD screen. There are already millions of people in the US with those screens, and they are selling like gangbusters.

Laserdisc had IIRC 3 million units sold over 15 years. There will be that many Blu-ray players (mostly PS3s) in the market by March or so, less than a year from launch.

Oh, and the HD movies are (1) available for rent from Netflix, BB, etc and (2) about $30 retail. Laserdiscs cost that much 20 years ago, so that would be like $70 in todays money.

What else you got?
 
2007-01-12 09:03:19 PM
I have never owned a game console, should I buy a Wii?
 
2007-01-12 09:04:11 PM
Lets face it, the wii is a cheaper model for those that can't afford exellence


All thirty people who bought the CD-i said the same thing.
 
2007-01-12 09:04:37 PM
Sunny Ray: I have never owned a game console, should I buy a Wii?

Yes, you won't regret it.
 
2007-01-12 09:04:40 PM
I think nintendo has found lightning in a bottle here. for example, my chick can't even manage to make mario move from left to right in 1-1 in nes smb. not a big deal, unless you consider that with the wiimote she can pretty damn well figure it out without me looking over her shoulder and going hit up a for blah blah blah.

the point is many people really don't get that far into games. they know what to do, but the lousy interface gets in the way. they will with time, come over to the dark side, and say things like "the dualshock has huge dead spots" but for the most part, these shy creatures just want to have innocent mindless fun.
 
2007-01-12 09:05:14 PM
No_47

I'm not trying to start an argument here. I'm saying that the console's ability to age should be taken into account when comparing introductory prices to 30 years ago.

Once nintendo came out, atari was was absolutely dead. Try playing those atari games again. Even with a better controller they drive me up the wall. You can't really compare staying power from then to now anyway. Nobody nowadays is going to continue making a system once they're 2 generations ahead of it.
 
2007-01-12 09:08:24 PM
"FarkinFarker
No_47: The Atari 26 was sold for something like 15 years before it was discontinued.

What does that have to do with introductory pricing?"


Back then,you bought a system,games would come out for a long while.15 years for Atari,Nintendo had about 9 years (I bought WWF King of the Ring in 1993).Now,a system barely gives you 3 years worth before the next system comes out,leaving your $650 system garbage.If you want to throw around "todays dollars vs back then",how about per year value of a system.
 
2007-01-12 09:08:26 PM
ROFLZ TheAntiElite called you MicroSerfs!!! And his name is TheAntiElite!!!
 
2007-01-12 09:09:04 PM
What sales are doing now have little to do with future sales. It comes down to games, pure and simple. The PS3 library will flatten the Wii library before long. Wii is great for casual gamers and kids, but when the glorious income tax check arrives, I'll stick with the company that has always brought me the stuff I like.

/bought a gamecube just for Resident Evil 4
//still plays it
///loves the Chicago typewriter
 
2007-01-12 09:13:00 PM
Ya know - ya'll could just skip on the pricey stand-alones along with pricey games and just upgrade your PC's to handle the upcoming DirectX 10 games that will arrive in 2007.

Which will blow the socks off of any game that any console, in any configuration could possibly hope to offer. ;-)

BTW - whoever said the N64 was crap is clueless. That console resurrected Nintendo from the dead (and competition is good for us - the consumers) and there were a substantial number of quality games for that unit. I smell a Nintendo hater no matter what the history, there.
 
2007-01-12 09:17:31 PM
feepness: I like the instant on/off of the PSP as well. I tried the laptop deal and what I learned was that I like to travel LIGHT.

Oh, I know what you mean. The whole power-up-look-hybernate thing is such a major pain (especially if you need and/or have >1 GB RAM). Plus, it's pointless just like most TSA regulations.

Unfortunately, I mostly need a (sub)notebook anyway and with the PSP's battery capacity, I might as well just use my notebook for business, Internet access (where available) and entertainment.

You're a Mean Drunk R2D2: As far as any quality difference between the two, I can't imagine that making much difference in which one is the winner. I have to do research to even understand what's better, I don't think that the average consumer is really going to care.

*Ding* *Ding* *Ding* I know I've mentioned this before but I know a bunch of people with college degrees and an abundance of disposable income who just now bought a second (or third) DVD player. Those people aren't going to be switching to either HD-format anytime soon.

Bacontastesgood: Oh, and the HD movies are (1) available for rent from Netflix, BB, etc and (2) about $30 retail.

Yes, but Netflixx offered both HD-DVD and Blueray discs last time I checked. Also, there isn't really any incentive for people to replace their DVD collections with the HD format of their choice: anyone with a significant DVD collection won't be willing to shell out big bucks for essentially nothing (we're talking old movies here) and those with small collections might as well keep their DVDs as well. Ultimately, it's going to come down to price: a $20 DVDs beats a $30 $insert_your_favorite_format_here anytime, as far as most consumers are concerned.
 
2007-01-12 09:26:15 PM
Apparently no one has realized how little you need a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player with a 360. I downloaded V for Vendetta through Live last weekend and watched it in HD. No hassle at all, just sweet, sweet HD, without having to get of my ass and go to a rental store. Why should I bother buying a disc in a media format that's going to be replaced in 5 years anyway?
 
2007-01-12 09:27:25 PM
I don't understand the chart...
 
2007-01-12 09:29:24 PM
What else you got?

The main comparison between Laserdisc and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray is that they only appeal to the videophile market. DVDs only overtook VCRs about two years ago in terms of # of households using them. Neither HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray have the advantages over DVDs that DVDs have over VHS. They are just higher definition and higher capacity.

Those formats won't bomb as badly as Laserdisc but the only market they are talking to, like the Laserdisc, is the high-end home theater types. Not the general market. They probably won't overtake DVDs anytime this decade. Maybe never if another format with mass appeal gets developed in that time.
 
2007-01-12 09:29:28 PM
p00pd00d: ROFLZ TheAntiElite called you MicroSerfs!!! And his name is TheAntiElite!!!

Well, duh, person of excremental nature; I'm not Joe Q. Enduser*. I get to spend all day listening to 'em. And what are most of 'em using? And what do they complain about, while unwilling to learn something different?*

/I'm Nick Burns, biznatch!**
//There's a tongue planted firmly in cheek, son!
///"That boy's like a nerf baseball bat, not sharp at all..."
*all but the Mac Users, who at least whine about different things
**I blame TotalFark***
***Absolute Farking corrupts, Absolutely!
 
2007-01-12 09:30:41 PM
With all of these PS3s not being sold, I predict that there will still be violence in Iraq over the next few days.
 
2007-01-12 09:38:55 PM
I thought I had it all planned out. When I got my first ps2, I gave my ps1 to my kids and they wore it out so I figured get the ps3 give them the ps2. The price though is a little more than I can afford. Our youngest got an xbox360 for xmas from his grandmother. Granted after the whole xbox power cord debacle I didn't want another microsoft product but after playing burnout revenge in hd, I said the ps3 can just wait. And I can walk into my walmart and find ps3's in stock while there may be wii games but there are absolutely no consoles or accessories.

And speaking of viva pinata, that game totally rocks! I am more into the shooting games and racing but the notion of beating up pinatas with a shovel just appealed to me. And who here in this forum that has played it didn't get a kick out of the little mini movies when you romance a pinata?
 
2007-01-12 09:39:16 PM

How games adopt that interface will prove the success of those same games on the Wii. Interestingly enough, this has caused a re-focus on the part of developers on gameplay rather than graphics, which is a welcome in an industry dominated by an idiotic infatuation with framerates.


Everytime an ignorant fanboy spews this in a gaming discussion, every game designer who has ever died spins in their grave.

There is no "gameplay over graphics" conspiracy. None, they're seperate components. THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON GAMEPLAY DONT WORK ON GRAPHICS. There is no re-allocation of time to graphics or something. There are no boardoom meetings where the staff are sat down and the director says "okay GAMEPLAY DEPARTMENT(TM) I'm firing you because we're going to focus on DA GRAFIX".

People seem to think that it's some sort of comprimise, that you "sacrafice" one of the variables in order to improve the other, that if you tune down the graphics, the "gameplay" gets better or vice-versa. They're independant aspects of design, handled by different departments, the failure of one doesnt mean the other got "more focus". I imagine in your mind that game design is some sort of scale with "graphics" on one side and "gameplay" on the other, and if you take from one you have to give to the other. It doesnt work that way.

Furthermore there is NO evidence whatsoever of a "graphics over gamplay trend". Graphcis get better because of better technology and better engines, that's it. Just because a game is good looking doesnt mean there has to be a conspiracy to remove gameplay. It's just the hardware getting beefier, like it has since the beginning of the farking gaming industry.

Modern games are much deeper than their primitive counterparts. Obsessive, button-mashing OCD cures have slowly but surely given way to deep, cinematic and character driven games that at least give an honest attempt at having an ounce of depth, a bit of artistic presentation, SOMETHING more than a hi-score and a mascot with obnoxious sound effects.

Lets go over this again:

There is no graphics over gameplay conspiracy
There is no graphics over gameplay conspiracy

There is no graphics over gameplay conspiracy

There is no graphics over gameplay conspiracy

There is no graphics over gameplay conspiracy
There is no graphics over gameplay conspiracy

There is no graphics over gameplay conspiracy
 
2007-01-12 09:41:13 PM
Watashi: BTW - whoever said the N64 was crap is clueless. That console resurrected Nintendo from the dead (and competition is good for us - the consumers) and there were a substantial number of quality games for that unit. I smell a Nintendo hater no matter what the history, there.

I thought the SNES was the most popular of its generation? Not that the Genesis was a slouch in the sales department, but Nintendo was the winner there.
 
2007-01-12 09:41:29 PM
As to the PS3 graphics, the only games I've really seen on the display models were the nba 07 game, and the dirt truck racing game (can you tell my enthusiasm that I don't even know the names of the games). The players in the nba game look as if they're made of super shiny plastic and for such as powerful system I'd expect better model transitions as well as facial expressions.

Overall, I think we're at the point that the graphics are so close to real, but not, so it tends to pull me out of the game just for that fact. When I can't tell live TV from a game then it'll be time to put the graphics before the gameplay (no, not really).
 
2007-01-12 09:44:03 PM
Sony's library of PS3 games will have a tough road to hoe;

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/sony-insider-deleted-for-ps3-comments-148088. php

\ Lifelong PC gamer.
\\ Tempted by the Wii...
 
2007-01-12 09:46:58 PM
I have just two words for all of you. RAVING RABBIDS!!! That is the first game since original nintendo that I have played and been completely enthralled with. Seriously, what could be more fun than shooting plungers at cartoon rabbits?
 
2007-01-12 09:48:55 PM
I'm lovin' it.
 
2007-01-12 09:49:05 PM
...or... you can get a PC and wait for the emulators to come out, torrent the games, and play the entire game libraries for all the consoles for the cost of bandwidth and HDD space.

/would probably require purchase of a third party controller for Wii games though
//Arrrr!
 
2007-01-12 09:58:58 PM
I think this is a poor predictor... frankly, neither console had an impressive lineup at launch... w.r.t. the PS3 specifically, I don't know why none of the launch games utilize the technology, but if they do, it will have more than a fighting chance. I think the wii is a neat idea, and great for people who have kids, people who aren't too particular about the graphics, and people who like the interface. In the long term (2-5 years for this, about as long as I had my PS2), I think the PS3 will do fine, once the games catch up with the system. As for the PS3-Wii comparisons, I find they are generally two different markets. PS3 buyers tend to be gamers in their 20s with some disposable income, Wii buyers tend to be either parents, or teenagers with slightly less money. Either way, you aren't going to sway the Wii buyers with PS3s graphics and software abilities, and you aren't going to convince PS3 buyers to forego those things in favor of an innovative and fun ui.
 
2007-01-12 10:00:25 PM
Hal5423 I have just two words for all of you. RAVING RABBIDS!!! That is the first game since original nintendo that I have played and been completely enthralled with. Seriously, what could be more fun than shooting plungers at cartoon rabbits?

Seconded. "RRR" and wii sports have actually turned my wife into a gamer. Instead of trying to have a weekend out at the movies tomorrow night, she suggested that we just stay in and beat Rayman. I love her now more than ever before.

For the people biatching about the lack of games on the virtual console, all of those old games have to acquire ESRB ratings before a release. What a PITA.

/ Can't wait for Excitebike and Mario Kart 64 to hit the VC
// Daydreaming about Goldeneye becoming a VC title
/// I've already spent far too much money on Wii points
//// Hopelessly addicted to Wii after being a Sony guy for 10 years.
 
2007-01-12 10:02:08 PM
Just got me a Wiiiiiiiiiiii. $250 was a lot of mullah for us, and $600 is just ri-goddammn-diculous! Good graphics or not, screw 600-bucks! Damn, that's a full month's rent!
 
2007-01-12 10:02:41 PM
alywa:

Sony seems to be in real trouble right now. Blu-ray isn't faring well, the PS3 is sitting on shelves, and Nintendo is eating their lunch. I think this is corporate karma for their horrible decisions over the last few years (Root Kit, Memory Stick price gouging, failure to understand the MP3 market, etc).

/Trying to find more Wii controllers




However, looking at their stock price, investors still seem to be very optimistic.

charting.nasdaq.com
 
2007-01-12 10:04:11 PM
>donnyd
Saints 27
Eagles 13
 
2007-01-12 10:05:17 PM
205.158.108.67
 
2007-01-12 10:05:52 PM
Rayman Rabbids had friends of mine who are terrified of game controllers laughing and high-fiving.

That's the genius of Nintendo. Once upon a time, you didn't have to spend 2 hours learning how to work every button on the controller before enjoying the game.

They just brought that back.
 
2007-01-12 10:07:31 PM
And yet still none on amazon, somehow I think that subby is exaggerating just a smidge.
 
2007-01-12 10:09:06 PM
Watashi: Ya know - ya'll could just skip on the pricey stand-alones along with pricey games and just upgrade your PC's to handle the upcoming DirectX 10 games that will arrive in 2007.

The last video card I bought cost more than then my Wii and all the stuff I bought along with it.

One video card (DX9) or a Wii, extra controller set, Classic Controller, 5 Wii games (6 including Sports), 4 VC games and I still have 2600 points left?
 
2007-01-12 10:12:26 PM
And _that's_the_way_the_cookie_crumbles: Unfortunately, I mostly need a (sub)notebook anyway and with the PSP's battery capacity, I might as well just use my notebook for business, Internet access (where available) and entertainment.

Whaddya mean? When watching off the stick the battery lasts 5 hours or so. I also have a USB charging cable ($5) and a USB Battery Box (takes AA batteries and has a USB out).

I'm taking my PSP on a 24 hour international flight and I intend to use it as my sole form of entertainment.

I do NOT want to lug a laptop through three separate Southeast Asian airports.

And that includes SFO.
 
2007-01-12 10:15:45 PM
WayToBlue: And yet still none on amazon

WalMart has them:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5303667

Toys R Us has them:
http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2548715&cp=2255974.2290624. 2290628.2290634&parentPage=family

Oh look, Amazon has them too:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0009VXAM0/sr=8-1/qid=1168657994/ref=pd _bbs_sr_olp_1/105-1890392-5317268?ie=UTF8&s=videogames
 
2007-01-12 10:19:18 PM
Mr. Fuzzypaws: Oh look, Amazon has them too:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0009VXAM0/sr=8-1/qid=1168657994/ref=pd _bbs_sr_olp_1/105-1890392-5317268?ie=UTF8&s=videogames


Yeah, and no one wants them, which is why they are $200+ over retail?

Did you even look at your own link?
 
2007-01-12 10:22:49 PM
Rayman's Raving Rabbids is easily the best Wii game so far.

Zelda's good too, but I heard the Gamecube version's more preferable, and doesn't really utilize the Wii remote as well as Rayman does. Hell, I highly doubt any other game can come close to Rayman in terms of using the Wii remote to its fullest capacity.
 
2007-01-12 10:22:53 PM
feepness: Did you even look at your own link?

Yes, all my links were bundles, no one sells them out of bundles because stores think people really want them.
 
2007-01-12 10:23:09 PM
Another thing to consider is the lifetime worth of a product. True, the Wii outsold the PS3 and the 360 this season, but when the PS2 numbers remain strong, and about 5 people are looking for the gamecube, that isn't about the hardware... it is about the games available. I ran across this story that has the PS2 outpacing the Wii over Xmas of 06. Sorry for the copy/paste work.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/299454_consolewars12.html

/few people buy a console for movie capability, in my opinion
//most people who buy a Wii won't buy a lotta games, they are happy with tennis and smashing bunnies
 
2007-01-12 10:24:30 PM
I love my Wii, but it really needs rechargeable battery packs. Since Christmas I've gone through two sets of batteries. At least with my 360, when the batteries are low I can just plug the controllers in and keep playing.
 
2007-01-12 10:27:07 PM
skhval_factory: There is no "gameplay over graphics" conspiracy. None, they're seperate components. THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON GAMEPLAY DONT WORK ON GRAPHICS. There is no re-allocation of time to graphics or something. There are no boardoom meetings where the staff are sat down and the director says "okay GAMEPLAY DEPARTMENT(TM) I'm firing you because we're going to focus on DA GRAFIX".

So so you're saying that if I was the lead on a game project, and I allocate 99% of my budget to the graphics engine team, and 1% to the level design team, I'd get the same game as if I'd allocate funding equally because they are separate departments?

Those are exactly the decisions that directors make, and they have enormous control on the focus of a given project. While I agree that there is no "conspiracy", there are plenty of games with excellent visuals coupled with lackluster play. You can still sell a game on flashy graphics alone, and it's sometimes a good business choice. I just personally hate it.

For example, Doom 3. Amazing game engine, beautiful level art, but the level designer meeting was appearently:
"What do we do in this room?"
"Make an imp pop out of a closet!"
"And the next room?"
"Make an imp teleport in behind the player!"
"And the room after that?"
"Make a zombie pop out of a closet!"
and so on. It had variety here and there, but between the genuinely interesting parts were long strings of the same ambushes over and over.
 
2007-01-12 10:27:36 PM
I never liked playing on ANY Sony console. If I want high-definition, complex games, I'll stick with my PC (which happens to cost slightly more than a Sony console, anyway). FPS games just don't do well on any console, be it Xbox, Nintendo, or PS.

If I want the fun of playing with a bunch of other people in the same room, I'll almost invariably find some friends who own a Nintendo system. Not for the brand loyalty (never owned a Nintendo console myself), but just for the sheer fun of the titles availabe on a Nintendo (I'll stoop to an Xbox for Halo, but not usually). When I'm with friends, I could care less about the controller or graphics.
 
2007-01-12 10:29:14 PM
I was going to come in and join the discussion with some super interesting points.

Then I saw a post by someone who claims to be an AV engineer that said that a device that outputs at 1080i will have half the image quality as 1080p.

I just shut off.

Interesting that any display that can do 1080p has a deinterlacer. Therefore it is displayed at 1080p without losing image quality. If you are pausing frames (fields), yes, 1080i looks lesser. In motion on the same set you will not notice a difference at all.
 
2007-01-12 10:29:38 PM
Person: Since Christmas I've gone through two sets of batteries.

Amateur. I need to recharge mine at least twice a week, my DS is always in need of a charge.
 
2007-01-12 10:30:06 PM
I'll throw in my worthless $.02 that no one will read.

I finally snagged a Wii two days ago and I am extremely underwhelmed with it. The graphics are beyond awful to me and I am already bored with Wii Sports.

Maybe it's just the jump from 720p/1080i on my 360 to 480p (I was lucky enough to get component cables) but the jaggies are staggering on the Wii. And while yes it is fun, I, er, I just don't know.

It gets a big meh from me. Hopefully the experience will get better as more games come out but wow, I mean, right now the Wii licks my hairy ball bag and anyone who chirps "it's the gameplay stupid, not the graphics" is quite insane imho.
 
2007-01-12 10:32:00 PM
Mr. Fuzzypaws: Yes, all my links were bundles, no one sells them out of bundles because stores think people really want them.

Actually Circuit City has been selling the 60GB console standalone for weeks now:
Circuit City PS3 60 GB Console

I got my Wii from them two days after I ordered it so I would think they would be just as quick with the PS3.
 
2007-01-12 10:35:21 PM
BTW mesmer, I take it your graph shows that the wii is incredibly well-priced?

/had a hard time trying to figure out what it meant.
 
2007-01-12 10:36:29 PM
anyone who chirps "it's the gameplay stupid, not the graphics" is quite insane imho.



Whatever. You can spend your gaming times marvelling at the realistic veins on your character.

I prefer fun.
 
2007-01-12 10:38:10 PM
WalkingCarpet

It should be noted that almost all the games that have come out so far were developed on a gamecube dev system with the controller as simply an add-on(which was the plan originally). Nintendo didn't actually finalize the hardware until like August. Now that devs will actually have systems to work with we should start seeing exactly what the Wii can do closer to the end of 2007.

I have a 360 too and a 50' HD set and I have no problem going between my Wii and 360.
 
2007-01-12 10:39:09 PM
Even during the Christmas season, we (a huge "R" Toy chain that I happen to work int eh electronics department)) w0ould get 40 Wii's and 12 PS3's in, the 40 Wii's would sell faster than 2 of the PS3's (it would take till the next day (before Christmas) to sell off the last of the PS3's, assuming we had them when we opened, the previous day).

After Christmas, we got a shipment of 4 PS3's and 15 Wii's. It took us 4 days to sell 1 of the PS3's (although they all sold on that fourth day) It took 4 hours to sell ALL 15 Wii's. We also keep a scratch pad by our phone, and mark all phone calls and face to face questions. On a normal day, we get about 40 Wii calls, 30 people coming in and asking form them (=70) and about 5 PS3 questions (both phone and face to face), and most of them just are curious and don't really want one. (We explain that they should just try around, and that the systems aren't selling all that great...)
 
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