The ocean is coming at us at a blistering pace of a foot a decade! LOOK OUT!!!!

/yawn

Suck it, Lohacharans!

YoungSwedishBlonde: The ocean is coming at us at a blistering pace of a foot a decade! LOOK OUT!!!!

/yawn

Brave words from someone who lives in kansas

Kim Stanley Robinson actually predicted this in the second book of his current trilogy, Fifty something or other. Small island in that region gets flooded out by Global Warming.

Boring book, but there is a neat character, a scientist who lives in a tree house in Washington, D.C.

There are also tigers, which are always neat. Will read the third book in hopes that the tigers get loose long enough to eat all the yuppie scum.

I hasn't disappeared. I have it in my spare bedroom. Elvis and Amelia Erhart are living on it.

if there are polar bears on the island then this guy can take care of em.

Don't tell any neocons, but that island is in a geologically active region, and the crust is sinking. Don't want them saying "3 inches of rising water doesn't sink an island."

I like the fact that (a) my house will some day be oceanfront property and (b) that global warming will make it nice and warm all year long.

Sounds like someone left the faucet on.

Gordon

Because we all know it is the evil "neocons" who are the only ones burning fossil fuels, and releasing carbon dioxide.

Shove it asshole.

What could possibly go wrong?

So when the other island with the tigers goes under will the tigers have to fight it out with the sharks for ocean supremacy because that'd be pretty cool.

Call me when it is an island the size of Hawaii. Some dirt hill poking out of the Bay of Bengal sinks and noone notices untill they take a satellite pic means that that "island" wasn't all that valuable to begin with.

TFA says it all:


"So remote is the island that the researchers first learned of its submergence, and that of an uninhabited neighbouring island, Suparibhanga, when they saw they had vanished from satellite pictures."

Teucer

I think you missed Gordon's point.

Wouldn't all islands and land masses be "sinking" at the same rate if the oceans are rising? I need Algore to explain that one to me.

Tigers vs Sharks would indeed be awesome.

And also, to those that don't believe in Global Warming, fark you. How could you not possibly think that we in no way contribute to the climate by pouring tonnes of pollution into the air. The only thing you can argue is how long it will be before we get bit in the arse by our destructive habits.

Looking forward to an ocean view...well, for my great, great, great....etc. grandkids, anyway.

/lives in Indiana
//couldn't care less about global warming

phrightener
I have no idea what you are talking about.


So here is a picture of a polar bear smelling its paw.

Because we all know it is the evil "neocons" who are the only ones burning fossil fuels, and releasing carbon dioxide.

Shove it asshole.

Take it easy there Tiger, it's just the internet.

84Charlie: Call me when it is an island the size of Hawaii. Some dirt hill poking out of the Bay of Bengal sinks and noone notices untill they take a satellite pic means that that "island" wasn't all that valuable to begin with.

So you are only interested in doing something about it when it becomes a full catastrophe and way too late to do much about it and will cost 100x more to fix.

You must be a Republican.

Ok anyone here not getting at least 40mpg is part of the problem. Yes, even if your a liberal...And no, paying your "polution tax" doesnt buy you out of it any more than money buys you out of hell.

/wheres my damn hydrogen jetpack?

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ///The earth will be around long after we're gone

You don't understand environmentalist don't want to save the earth, they want to save the people. You miss the entire point.

no pretendo: And also, to those that don't believe in Global Warming, fark you. How could you not possibly think that we in no way contribute to the climate by pouring tonnes of pollution into the air. The only thing you can argue is how long it will be before we get bit in the arse by our destructive habits.

Ever see the statistics on what percentage of greenhouse gasses and such are actually produced by humans? It's miniscule.

From TFA:

Rising seas, caused by global warming, have for the first time washed an inhabited island off the face of the Earth.

I like how the article immediately rules that it was the "global warming" menace that singlehandedly caused the rising ocean waters.

I also like how the article's writer declares that this is the first time an island has been submerged. As if he has the entire history of the planet at his fingertips.

no pretendo
And also, to those that don't believe in Global Warming, fark you. How could you not possibly think that we in no way contribute to the climate by pouring tonnes of pollution into the air. The only thing you can argue is how long it will be before we get bit in the arse by our destructive habits.

Cause I'm not an arrogant ass.
BTW the Earth is getting warmer and has been for quite awhile.
And no, man is not making it warmer, cows are, just ask the UN. So go out and have a burger to save the Earth.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost

You mean to say the earth has climate changes, and sometimes it cools down or warms up?
Who the fark would have thought that?

Please explain your reasoning. Do you:

1. Not believe that carbon dioxide reflects heat back to the Earth?

or

2. Not believe that we are releasing thousands of years worth of stored carbon into the atmosphere?

Yep. The fakeLeftists are using the global warming propaganda to scare voters into voting for the Democrats. I guess that way the Democrats do not have to advocate positions that they and their donors hate in order to win voters, i.e., raising taxes on the rich and using it to provide healthcare for all citizens, like they do in Europe.

Global warming is a liberal myth! Pollution is good!

Global warming is going to kill us all. Well that's what the history channel told me last night.

yeah they failed to mention the whole thickening of some of the ice sheets.

/Got nothing
//Grabs popcorn

Kyndig: Ever see the statistics on what percentage of greenhouse gasses and such are actually produced by humans? It's miniscule.

Yeah a lot is produced "naturally" through deforestation.

how is this driven by global warming again?

Oh wait, no one can prove anything at all about global warming

think this is where the innernet tubes connect to this island... spewing all the global warming water in one place;)

all of you who are downplaying this event are idiots. so you think you can just ignore the problem and leave it for later generations? selfish bastards. i hate republicans.

Ever see the statistics on what percentage of greenhouse gasses and such are actually produced by humans? It's miniscule.

I have a feeling its your statistics themselves which are miniscule. Unless you're gonna spout that "erupting volcano produces the world's supply of CO2" which farkers who can't farking read think that's for a year and not for a day.

it's being over-exaggerated, then you have idiots like al gore making crappy movies

You can sink a whole island by flushing all the toilets on it at the same time.
You knew that didn't you?
/didn't you?

What about if the temperature were actually worse before we could measure it? What then? No one bothers to think that this is just an occurence in nature.

lolz, the vast majority of scientists are idiots according to 'godofusa.com'.

Earth's oceans are rising twice as fast today compared to 150 years ago, according to a new study.

The rise is nearly 2 millimeter per year. At that rate, sea level will be 1 inch higher in 13 years compared to today.

2 mm per year? How farkin' low was this island?

over-exaggerated? morons. all of you. there is plenty of proof that global warming exists. why would you choose to ignore it? whats wrong with conservation and less pollution?

Kyndig
Ever see the statistics on what percentage of greenhouse gasses and such are actually produced by humans? It's miniscule.

Yep, and there is a certain ammount of carbon that the biosphere of earth can cycle back into the crust every year. If the ammount of carbon dioxide produced is greater than the ammount that can be sinked then it just sits there in the atmosphere and collects... ever so slowly increasing the percentage of atmospheric carbon dioxide.

In actuallity the percentage of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in ratio to other gasses has not increased all that much. But carbon dioxide is such an efficient insulator of heat that an increase of only a hundreth of a percent can have measurable effects on global temperatures.

"No one bothers to think that this is just an occurence in nature."

Yeah man, nobody has considered that angle.

Oops, source for my last post:
http://www.livescience.com/environment/051124_rising_seas.html

dallashockey69


all of you who are downplaying this event are idiots. so you think you can just ignore the problem and leave it for later generations? selfish bastards. i hate republicans

And I hate you. Its worse that your from my state. You cannot prove
A: global warming
B: Peak Oil
C: Immigration will help americans

So fark off

soakitincider: Oh wait, no one can prove anything at all about global warming

Except for the facts there are more CO2 in the air. CO2 causes global warming and the average temperature has been increasing of the planet. And Man has been producing more CO2 then ever.

All these are facts no one disputes.

I bet you think smoking causing cancer has never been proven either.

Dude.

The amount of raw pollution we are proucing is insane. How anyone can sit there straight faced and claim it isn't having an impact boggles the mind. Try running your tailpipe into your car window and tell me that has no effect either.

//Waits for the "but it's really cold where I live" post to debunk Global Warming.

hmmm... sounds like mud island. Are the seas really rising, or are the islands just eroding?

This is that island in the Indian river delta. It used to actually been uninhabited with some 20,000ish people, but hasn't been for over 20 years because the river delta has been doing what it always does, eroding away previous land formations, and creating new ones.

I am sure if someone actually did a scientific study on the river level you would find that it likely hasn't risen at all.

Someone mentioned Michael Chricton, this is exactly the type of stuff he was writing about. Environmental groups creating propaganda, taking events unrelated to global warming, and creating press releases and blaming it on the global warming by connecting studies that are predicting future events that are completely unrelated, if you read his authors note at the end he makes it clear.

Corvus: I bet you think smoking causing cancer has never been proven either.

I think they get it from Rush Limbaugh.

So global warming is based on temperatures taken from the last couple hundred years. When we came out of the ice age did the cave men blame fossil fuels for that rise in temperature too?

Isn't there any level the frigging libs won't stoop to in order to try to prove their position on global warming??? I mean come on, really....

soakitincider-

your state? eat shiat. you are the type of person who makes texas look like a shiathole and contributes to a lousy education system i am sure. i imagine you are wallowing in the shallow end of the gene pool. probably a wading pool in a trailer park.

global warming is a fact. whats wrong with conserving? will it kill you to not be a jackass and drive some truck or suv? maybe recycle?

pull your head out of your ass.

ShawnC1032: Someone mentioned Michael Chricton, this is exactly the type of stuff he was writing about.

Only in Republican World is a science fiction writer more of an expert in global warming than climatologists.

ShawnC1032: It used to actually been uninhabited with some 20,000ish people, but hasn't been for over 20 years

My head asplode....

This is just a matter of creative outsourcing. Sneaky Indians...

lol... stupid farkers... when the earth gets tired of us here ... it will shake us all off and get along without us... the earth has warmed and cooled for eons without our helping it along

Yay, the Bushbots have politicized environmental issues.
History will record today's conservative as see no evil monkeys.

Jeff_from_MD: I have a feeling its your statistics themselves which are miniscule. Unless you're gonna spout that "erupting volcano produces the world's supply of CO2" which farkers who can't farking read think that's for a year and not for a day.

Republicans believe that they are millions of invisible volcanoes producing CO2. It's hilarious how they know it's not man even though the production of CO2 by man is up huge however they never have ever come up with a theory of what is producing the CO2 instead.

You want to hear some silenece?

OK what is producing more CO2 if its not caused by man?

*crickets*

Besides even if it is not caused by man we still need to do something about it anyway. That would be like saying a meteor is going to hit the earth but lets not do anything about it cause it's not our fault. Normal republican logic.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/frontpage/story_6933888.asp

Hm. The island in question disappeared TWENTY YEARS AGO, and local experts believe it was eroded by the outflow from the rivers emptying into the Bay of Bengal.

Other than that? EVERYBODY PANIC!!!

What does CO2 have to do with anything? It has always existed, and will continue to do so. Are you aware of the volume of "air" we have here on earth? You dont think C02 will dissipate? You dont think it was hotter or nastier any time previously in earths history? You cannot segregate between this sort of activity being natural or artificial.

Global warming is real. If you have any doubts whatsoever that it is, you have been manipulated by the soulless people who benefit from the sale of the commercial products and services of which global warming is a side effect, and whose actions will be the death of us all.

Thank you for your time.

brandobaras: lol... stupid farkers... when the earth gets tired of us here ... it will shake us all off and get along without us... the earth has warmed and cooled for eons without our helping it along

When has it done so at this fast of pace? I want to know from your informed opinion.

CommonSenseSurrenders: Isn't there any level the frigging libs won't stoop to in order to try to prove their position on global warming??? I mean come on, really....

We don't have to stoop to sea level anymore.

Cuz' it's rising 'n stuff.

11:49:29 AMdallashockey69


all of you who are downplaying this event are idiots. so you think you can just ignore the problem and leave it for later generations? selfish bastards. i hate republicans.



You don't have to be a Republican to call BS on global warming. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat or a libertarian or a socialist or anything else, and I call BS on the global warming propaganda.

If CorpGovMedia is buying into it, then I call BS. And CorpGovMedia is pushing this global warming BigTime.

CorpGovMedia is NOT on the side of labor. They will not promote something unless it hurts labor and helps the overclass.

HandsUp -- are you my 10th grade biology teacher? O.O he had a vendetta against cows, and your point was one he used frequently. But its true. The leading biological cause of global warming is ... cows.

Mmmm... z'ats a good burger....

Hey OriginalGamer how come the coast lines look the same in both of your pictures? Shouldn't some of those islands "sunk"???!

I'm pretty big on Global Warming, but it does seem a bit suspicious to me that an island that once held ten thousand people could disappear into the ocean due to rising sea levels while we hear nary a peep from thousands of seaside resorts worldwide. I'd venture a guess and say that this is the fault of localized phenomena, and that sounding the alarm of global warming will only undermine the cause.

OriginalGamer


Dude.

The amount of raw pollution we are proucing is insane. How anyone can sit there straight faced and claim it isn't having an impact boggles the mind. Try running your tailpipe into your car window and tell me that has no effect either.


Try pissing in the ocean to raise the water level.

/I can represent my analogy in an imporoper scale too

soakitincider: What does CO2 have to do with anything? It has always existed,

Now that I tend to agree with.

I love how no matter how many facts you hit them with the shove there finger in their ears and go "lalalala".

arguing with people who deny global warming is like arguing with people who deny the holocaust ever happened. you can present them with fact after fact yet they blow some smoke screen denying that fact. its all a game conservatives like to play because they know global warming exists but as all republicans are selfish bastards they simply sweep the problem under the rug for people to clean up after they are gone.

Corvus: OK what is producing more CO2 if its not caused by man?

*crickets*

Then we should immediately eradicate the crickets!

HansensDisease: We don't have to stoop to sea level anymore.

hah - nicely played :)

spacechicken-

yet another smokescreen tactic by a conservative to try and steer away from the real issue.

global warming has occured all along... so what if we accelorate it a bit or a lot... the earth will be here long after we exterminate ourselves... the method of which matters not
speed it along with this or by nukes or whatever ... the result will be the same... or do i owe you an apology?

Wait a minute. From the linked article:
" For the first time, an inhabited island has disappeared beneath rising seas... The obliteration of Lohachara island, in India's part of the Sundarbans where the Ganges and the Brahmaputra rivers empty into the Bay of Bengal, marks the moment when one of the most apocalyptic predictions of environmentalists and climate scientists has started coming true."

From this article: http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=207343
"For the past two decades, Arjun Jana has lived the life of an "environmental refugee" in Sagar island. He was forced to leave home in Lohachara island, one of the many islets on the Sundarban delta, when the surging sea waters swamped his farmland... Close to Jana's hut is another witness to the misery after the rising sea submerged the islands of Lohachara and Bedford 22 years ago."

Island was swamped 22 years ago. Original article fails to mention that.

Florida... YER NEXT!

Any science issue that has been politicized is no longer in the realm of science, but that of politics (read: control over the sheeple). This gives the "facts" if global warming as much credence as "I am not a crook," or "Read my lips, no new taxes," or "I did not have sexual intercourse with that woman."

But the apathetic political class known as voters would rather argue "their team's" "facts" than look for the "inconvenient truth" that would deny them power, or victory. Funny though how Gore's "inconvenient truth" actually empowered him instead, isn't it?

The only goal of the so-called enviromentalists is to gain power over others, just like every other political movement.

/debate is not a form of enlightenment, it is merely another form of warfare
//cuz it's all about winning

chiett-

no...but republicans ignore the problem. at least libs recognize the problem and are taking steps to correct things. but its hard when a bunch of conservatives act like assholes and refuse to even think about conservation.

HandsUp:

Eh? You're going to see a small island? At that scale from orbit? Inches per year is bad enough. But hey, who cares right? We'll be dead! Let someone later worry about it!

soakitincider
You cannot prove global warming

Proof is a loaded term when it comes to scientific research. Very few things in science are proven, most things in science are hypothesized, precisely observed, and then a scientific theory is created to explain them, and that theory is tested. So what you have via the use of the Scientific Method is a 99% certainty of fact, but no proof as far as science is concerned. Something which is proven is considered a scientific law (like the laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, the law of Mendelian inheritance, etc). This is a scientific theory which has undergone many decades and even centuries of investigation and observation.

Human influenced global warming is a scientific theory, and science is 99.9% certain of this theory's validity.

dallashockey69


arguing with people who deny global warming is like arguing with people who deny the holocaust ever happened. you can present them with fact after fact yet they blow some smoke screen denying that fact. its all a game conservatives like to play because they know global warming exists but as all republicans are selfish bastards they simply sweep the problem under the rug for people to clean up after they are gone.


You have not presented any fact to support global warming therefore I don't believe it but I can talk to a survivor and learn that the holocaust was real.

/not a republican

It's just more Republican screw our children I want to have fun now "family values" just like the national debt.

CommonSenseSurrenders
My bad I didn't notice that. Sometime my head fills in the gaps, I meant to say it used to be inhabited with some 20k people, but has been uninhabited for about 20 years now.

czarangelus
That's where I disagree with him being brought up. He's not an expert in the subject, simply an observer, and should never be used as an expert.

He makes good points in his book, science has become an industry where results are spun by both sides of an issue, and models that haven't been verified are being touted as fact. But none of this makes him an expert in global warming, but there are experts that agree with him on his points on how science is being treated on this issue and others.

spacechicken170am: You have not presented any fact to support global warming therefore I don't believe it but I can talk to a survivor and learn that the holocaust was real.

I have presented many you have just ignored them.

I'm not denying global warming in the long-run, but not the "omgz we will drowns in twentee yearez!!!11!1" crap

Oh, did I mention that Hitler was a raging enviromentalist?

/FTGodWin

what fact do i need to present here? pick up a newspaper. look outside. there is plenty of information out there to support global warming. for those of you who choose to ignore it or have their head buried in the sand...WAKE UP!

FTGodWin: Funny though how Gore's "inconvenient truth" actually empowered him instead, isn't it?

Didn't he have enough power after he "took the initiative in creating the internet?"

dallashockey69

I'm not a conservative and I do believe that we should curtail our pollution but I don't believe that the rising temperatures are being caused by our pollution.

"/No news here
//Move along
///The earth will be around long after we're gone"

True. I look forward to the elimination of the human race. Especially Republicans and Baptists. The earth will be fine.

global warning is God punishing us for voting for GW (or because he hates gays or something) humans have no responsibility at all for it and we should remember that when our great grandchildren have gills

Well, if this effect is global, and not just a local effectaround the delta, shouldn't places like Florida (hi) be experiencing something similar around the coast?

Global warming is saving us from the ice age predicted in the 70's.

It hit 120 degrees this summer in SOUTH DAKOTA! That is One Hundred and Twenty Degrees. Get rid of all the other shiat. Water levels, gas content, all of that. And Look at the 10 hottest years on record. Happens to be in the last 14 years that's odd, that every year, is hotter than the one before. 120 degrees in South Dakota.

soakitincider

We can't "prove" gravity either, I better start nailing my shiat down a little better...

spacechicken170am: I'm not a conservative and I do believe that we should curtail our pollution but I don't believe that the rising temperatures are being caused by our pollution.

Well - if you dare to fall short of their particular brand and fanaticism, then you are obviously one of the evil other side.....

The point is NOT that the problem is caused by everyone, the point is that the issue has become so politicized that most right wingers immediatley dismiss words from liberals and teh evil Acedamia.
This is stupid behavior. Just because you don't share political pholisophies with environmentalists doesn't mean you should stick your heads up your asses and deny the friggin science that's right in front of you. Farking monkeys makes you all look like complete assholes.
Grow a GD brain for cryin out loud.

OMG! Al Gore was right this whole time! Hes been telling us for years that islands would sink! Lets all be free thinkers and think whatever free thinkers tell us to think!

godofusa.com: I'm not denying global warming in the long-run, but not the "omgz we will drowns in twentee yearez!!!11!1" crap

Tell me right now who said this?

you are making this up. Give me a reference.

But we need to do something now or it will be too late to do anything.

choice and consequence: Island was swamped 22 years ago. Original article fails to mention that.

Oops...

spacechicken170am

I'm not a conservative and I do believe that we should curtail our pollution but I don't believe that the rising temperatures are being caused by our pollution.

and I beleive in fairies and Santa Claus and that George Bush is great leader and that only DC10's and Pigs can fly

rummonkey: We can't "prove" gravity either, I better start nailing my shiat down a little better...

Do me a favor, stand underneath this ladder while I attempt to "prove" gravity with this bowling ball that I will release above your head....

Corvus

Statistics are biased man, you cannot tell me with 100% confidience that that graph is correct.

Who cares. We all die eventually, anyway.

This entire debate will end when Republicans have to start pandering to "Greenvangelicals".

I actually believed the headline that Libs faked it.... It shows how untrustworthy Libs are.

The Earth heats up and cools down cyclically over time.

Corvus: Tell me right now who said this?

you are making this up. Give me a reference.

I'll play. I can't give a link, but there was a thread on here about a month ago where some NASA guy was saying if we don't immediately ban cars or something like that, global warming would kill us all by 2016.

rurdy: Global warming is saving us from the ice age predicted in the 70's.

Actually read the wiki on this. This was something looked at by scientist but not believed in the scientific community would happen. The press found it and made a big deal about it even though it wasn't excepted in the scientific community.

Climate change is accepted by the scientific community and has lots of data to back it up.

First global warming caused the horrible 2006 hurricane season and now this? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

I dont know what your all worried about anyway, Now N Korea has the bomb we are in for a long Nuclear Winter.

Corvus
Besides even if it is not caused by man we still need to do something about it anyway. That would be like saying a meteor is going to hit the earth but lets not do anything about it cause it's not our fault. Normal republican logic.

I agree with everything you say except this, because what you're implying is we should try to overcorrect things. If you conclude that humans aren't causing global warming but it's some natural increase in greenhouse gases causing it, then basically you're saying that even if we stop all use of fossil fuels, we'd still have to do something to counter the effects. That's a dangerous idea, and will almost certainly lead to further complicating the problem.

I think you should just stick to the argument that global warming is caused by humans, and we should handle it by cutting back on greenhouse emissions in a reasonable way that won't bankrupt the economy.

Screw the grandkids, I'm cold now.

(actually, its quite nice so far this year... ahhh, southern-like climate in Ohio-- although its El Nino, not Global warming)

BTW-- Global warming also produces high-upper atmosphere global cooling/thinning-- this causes satelites to decrease drag in a very measurable way-- their drag is decreasing in exact accordance to the measured global warming, providing independant evidence for those who think the world's glaciers are a fluke.

Personally, I think the ice caps are overrated, but limiting production just ISNT going to happen-- carbon sequestering is the only thing that's going to help.

FTGodWin: Oh, did I mention that Hitler was a raging enviromentalist?

/FTGodWin

He also wore clothes, we all need to stop so we aren't like Hitler in any way!!

soakitincider-

why argue against global warming? will conservartion kill us? why is it people feel like their SUV's and trucks are really needed. families were bigger a few decades ago and car were SMALLER. scale down america. we are out of control with waste and abundance.

I dunno.

Yeah, I believe there is global warming attributed to humans. However, there is a lot of natural stuff that is going on as well. As they look back in historical evidence, there are times when the earth gets warmer or colder without any help from humans.

In addition to the "greenhouse gasses" that are going to kill us all by heating the oceans, there is also:

More people. Each person on the earth generates more heat. Miniscule, I know, but each fraction of a decimal point adds to the total.

More people means more industry. More metal produced for cars (or bicycles in some countries), more agricultural clearing for food, etc. = more heat through cleared land and mechanical operation

Higher standard of living. Who can deny someone in Mexico City an air conditioner to combat the increased temperatures due to so many people. And air conditioners don't remove the hot air - they just move it outside and create more heat in the process.

And the list can go on-and-on-and-on.

To solve the problem... ...get rid of most of the people. Problem solved.

\not a scientist
\\thinks both "there is no global warming" people and "global warming is the apocalypse" people are all ninnies.
\\\had a lot of fun reading Niven's "Fallen Angels"

Corvus
Statistics are biased man, you cannot tell me with 100% confidience that that graph is correct.

Classic denial.
I bet if an iceberg parked itself in your backyard you would think it just fell from the sky or something.

No one listens to me.

It's all the birds! (Satellites)
GPS, ComSats, HDTV, Cell, LandSat, GeoSat, .. over 2000 of them up there, and some radiating the earth 24/7 .

All you need to do is heat the atmosphere up one degree to cause dramatic climate change.

/Farking out my hiney.

Oi! Blame it on the cows? Negligible compared to China's unfiltered coal power plants. Thankfully, they're starting to go "green." People, I hate to say it, but we got maybe thirty years. The MINIMUM is to drive a car like a Civic (unless you say work a trade...), recycle all that is recyclable, only replace what is broken (my black and white tv serves me well..), and walk/bike whenever possible. Oh. and do away with giving hundreds of dollars of gifts at christmas. Last thing we need; protroleum wasted on shiat we'll stick in a closet.

Yes, the world warms and cools periodically. Such is normal. Thing is, the speed with which the earth is warming is completely unprecedented- as shown by ice core samples. Who you gonna believe; Micheal Crichton and Rush Limbaugh, or 95% of the world climatologists?

The choice is yours; but your behavior will kill a lot of people, especially in the third world, while leading to mass extinction as climate belts shift faster then species can migrate. Have fun being smug with you Excursion SUV with the "I love America" bumpersticker. When it all goes to hell, I'll know who to blame! And if your grand kids can't tour lower Manhatten? Oh well, right?

Who cares? If God wanted us dead tomorrow, He'd have it. It's possible that we all choke on pure ash or the wind carries it all away and no one has an issue. None of you can read the future. To debate this stuff can become pointless at times, much like retards winning the olympics. I guess it makes someone feel better.

CommonSenseSurrenders: I'll play. I can't give a link, but there was a thread on here about a month ago where some NASA guy was saying if we don't immediately ban cars or something like that, global warming would kill us all by 2016.

Oh of course the "You must cite all your sources but I don't have too".

the well "some guy said". I find it amusing how the people who believe in global warming have to give tons of facts but the anti-groups just use "well some guy said" and its ok.

No environmental scientist is saying we will be all dead in 20 years you were making a straw man argument.

global warming is a fact. whats wrong with conserving? will it kill you to not be a jackass and drive some truck or suv? maybe recycle?

Nothing to do with what they drive at this point. It's the same "stay the course" idiocy that kept us on the bad end of a wasteful war of attrition. Even the slightest shift - even a new strategy - would be tantamount to complete surrender and withdrawal.

Compare the behavior to other people who have science against them and fight it's findings, or who perpetuate old and discarded theories. There comes a point at which they will make the most ridiculous claims just to be right. There are flat-earth nutjobs who have given up and admitted the world is round, but insist that it must have happened recently, because they know for a fact it wasn't round before.

So be prepared for the admission you want, but you won't like it when it comes. "Oh, wow, so NOW global warming really IS happening. You libs lucked out on that one."

smeegle

The point is NOT that the problem is caused by everyone, the point is that the issue has become so politicized that most right wingers immediatley dismiss words from liberals and teh evil Acedamia.

Wheras most liberals immediately dimiss any attempt to question the severity and direct impact of human interaction on climate change and climate change on rising sea levels as monkeys.

And then people who don't describe themselves on an idiotic two dimensional political spectrum sit back in the thread and laugh their hangover away.

The people were evacuated off of the island 20 years ago because it was starting to flood. This article states that the whole thing is now UNDER sea level. Not just getting a bit soggy.

Corvus: how many facts you hit them with

You mean like the EVERYBODY PANIC graph you posted that shows rates went from 0.00027 to 0.00035 over 250 years.

Gosh... we are done for.

To put that in perspective, the United States has that amount of change in documented births each two days. (12,000 births a day).

So when you equate your EVERYBODY PANIC graph to something we all understand like population, your great crisis is the same as two days in the United States.

So, what is your US overpopulation prediction, next Thursday?

Tonka Truck: To solve the problem... ...get rid of most of the people. Problem solved.

hey - this is what I've been saying for some time. And the most activist of the global warming proponents should go first, since they care so much. Since it's CO2 that's causing global warming, all the proponents should immediately cease and desist from producing additional CO2.

2006-12-27 11:57:17 AM bongmiester



Warm water from oil production at the North Pole?? WTF?
Put the bong down, son.....

Those who deny global warming do so because it means that, in belief, they would have to change the way they live day-to-day as well as feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and selfishness in regards to that beast they drive that gets 5 miles per gallon.

If you deny what is around you and plainly seen, you are a fool.

Just because there's snow where you are doesn't mean the earth isn't getting warmer.

hey, um did anyone notice that there's a mass extinction going on? the kind that's happened 6 times before in earth's history and killed off most of the food chain every time?

global warming is superflous. there is an extinction event occurring on our planet right now, the evidence is indisputable, and the end result is the extinction of our species.

unfortunately, the human animal didn't evolve to be the stewards of the earth, or even of their own species.

smeegle


Corvus
Statistics are biased man, you cannot tell me with 100% confidience that that graph is correct.

Classic denial.
I bet if an iceberg parked itself in your backyard you would think it just fell from the sky or something.

It would be definitely interesting to find out how it got there. It would require rigorous and non biased investigation to determine the specifics.

The Sky is Falling!!!!
The Oceans are Rising!!!
The Earth is getting hotter!!!!
If we could only blow up the Sun eveything would be ok.
BTW If Gore actually believes this stuff, why does he own stock in companies that pollute, heat and cool four homes, fly in private jets...??

WarpZone

Aren't we ate for a mass extinction event anyway?

The earth's temperature is cyclicle it's constantly warming and cooling. I will continue to believe that the rise in temperature is part of this cycle until I see proof that man made pollution is the cause.

/quit spray painting SUV's ya damn hippies.

Pollution is bad.

Pollution may cause adverse climate changes.

EPA restrictions decrease pollution.

EPA restrictions decrease corporate profits.

If you want to decrease corporate profits, you hate America.

If you propose a pollution causes global warming theory, you hate America.

CommonSenseSurrenders


Tonka Truck: To solve the problem... ...get rid of most of the people. Problem solved.

hey - this is what I've been saying for some time. And the most activist of the global warming proponents should go first, since they care so much. Since it's CO2 that's causing global warming, all the proponents should immediately cease and desist from producing additional CO2

Nazis at work here. Anyone who believes we should "get rid of people" are the worst sorts of humans that exist on this planet

*late

lilplatinum
Wheras most liberals immediately dimiss any attempt to question the severity and direct impact of human interaction on climate change and climate change on rising sea levels as monkeys.

All I am trying to say is polarizing this issue instead of making an effort to understand the data is just ignorant.

manimal347 Not blaming it on the cows. No one is. What is being said (in a humorous tone) is that the number one BIOLOGICAL cause of the rise in CO2 is cows. Or more specifically, cow flatulence. Not that they were THE leading cause. What part of the word *biological* did you not understand?

soakitincider-

so if god wanted us dead tomorrow we would be dead. well...global warming is more of a fact than god is. dispute that.

manimal347: People, I hate to say it, but we got maybe thirty years.

I remember researching people saying this exact same thin in 1970. According to them we are all 6 years dead.

Oh and we are also out of gold, oil, silver, mammals and virgins.

To all the Global Warming Deniers

You all have nothing to worry about... by the time this becomes a serious world crises, creating hundreds of millions of refugees, expanding the threat of mosquito born disease, and generally making life as we know it a living hell... you will likely be dead or just a couple years away from death.

You have nothing to worry about, you will be fine. Its your children that will have to live with it, I am sure that they will thank you for the ruined world you are leaving them with.

smeegle


lilplatinum
Wheras most liberals immediately dimiss any attempt to question the severity and direct impact of human interaction on climate change and climate change on rising sea levels as monkeys.

All I am trying to say is polarizing this issue instead of making an effort to understand the data is just ignorant

Its important to have accurate data first

The most intelligent species on the planet is pleased with the growing oceans.

/and apparently so is 1 cow

Corvus: Oh of course the "You must cite all your sources but I don't have too".

Actually - I didn't challenge anyone to cite any references. You did.

Also - just because I'm not taking up your rabid fanaticism doesn't mean I'm "pro" or "anti." you just asked a question and I provided an answer. I didn't say the guy was credible or not vcredible. Just that he said it, there was an article about it, and there was a fark thread about that article. that is all.

No environmental scientist is saying we will be all dead in 20 years you were making a straw man argument.

I didn't say he was an "environmental scientist" - I said "some guy from NASA."

Now that you have failed at every attempted attack on me, and have been set straight, you are dismissed.

RadioAaron [TotalFark]
Those who deny global warming do so because it means that, in belief, they would have to change the way they live day-to-day as well as feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and selfishness in regards to that beast they drive that gets 5 miles per gallon.
If you deny what is around you and plainly seen, you are a fool.
Just because there's snow where you are doesn't mean the earth isn't getting warmer.

and just because the Earth has probably increase overall temperature by 1 degree in the past century it doesn't mean that it is man made

Code_Archeologist


To all the Global Warming Deniers

You all have nothing to worry about... by the time this becomes a serious world crises, creating hundreds of millions of refugees, expanding the threat of mosquito born disease, and generally making life as we know it a living hell... you will likely be dead or just a couple years away from death.

You have nothing to worry about, you will be fine. Its your children that will have to live with it, I am sure that they will thank you for the ruined world you are leaving them with.

Can't be worse than the democrats we were left with now.

/not republican
//democrats are worse

smeegle

All I am trying to say is polarizing this issue instead of making an effort to understand the data is just ignorant

Oh, I agree, but seeing how humans are generally incapable of being unbiased and interpreting data in a way other than the way they want it, I find it is most judicious just to laugh at everyone.

Conservatives are people who couldn't pass any science classes.

soakitincider
It would require rigorous and non biased investigation to determine the specifics.
Ageed and I don't tgink it's too much to ask of anyone liberal or conservative to just put all the other noise aside and look at all of the science.

I have a degree in chemistry, and I am at times conservative

2006-12-27 11:55:11 AM ShawnC1032

This is that island in the Indian river delta. It used to actually been uninhabited with some 20,000ish people, but hasn't been for over 20 years because the river delta has been doing what it always does, eroding away previous land formations, and creating new ones.
Did you read the article, or just skim it?

I am sure if someone actually did a scientific study on the river level you would find that it likely hasn't risen at all.As a global warming denier, you are used to ignoring hundreds of scientific studies, why would you care about one now?

Someone mentioned Michael Chricton, this is exactly the type of stuff he was writing about. Ah, yes, the global warming deniers "expert", Michael Crichton, the second-rate novelist

/Conservative who actually trusts scientists more than Rush Limbaugh

soakitincider
It would require rigorous and non biased investigation to determine the specifics.
Ageed and I don't tgink it's too much to ask of anyone liberal or conservative to just put all the other noise aside and look at all of the science.

I agree but sometimes people take that "noise" as the science and we have to ensure that it doesn't gain a foothold
(i fell like were saying the same thing)

Code_Archeologist: Its your children that will have to live with it

Another person with a "30 years or less" prediction.

You even put parameters on it, can we bet on this? Say put $50 in a interest bearing fund, the winner gets to take it out in 2030?

soakitincider: Nazis at work here. Anyone who believes we should "get rid of people" are the worst sorts of humans that exist on this planet

In our culture, we have these things that are called "jokes" - they are things said for their "humor" value.

I'll wait while you go look it up

(Oh and BTW you're too slow - the thread was already godwinned a while ago)

Corvus
I bet you think smoking causing cancer has never been proven either.

Smoking does not cause cancer, it increases the odds that you will develop certain kinds of cancer. This is opposed to emphysema which if you smoke enough, long enough you will 100% certainly end up with from the tissue damage to your lungs.

dallashockey69,

Dude, there's this little thing called tact. Try it sometime.

Is this the thread where 2nd year university students and 42-year-old middle managers explain why THEY don't believe global warming is man-made?

Uncle Karl


Corvus
I bet you think smoking causing cancer has never been proven either.

Smoking does not cause cancer, it increases the odds that you will develop certain kinds of cancer. This is opposed to emphysema which if you smoke enough, long enough you will 100% certainly end up with from the tissue damage to your lungs.

some people live into their 100's smoking constantly and do not die of cancer. Drinkin sodas too

A few useful figures:


More at
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/wiki/Image:Major_greenhouse_gas_trends_png

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer

Conservatives are people who couldn't pass any science classes.

You're a moron. You fail.

whatshisname


Is this the thread where 2nd year university students and 42-year-old middle managers explain why THEY don't believe global warming is man-made

do you fall into either group?

Hang On Voltaire
and just because the Earth has probably increase overall temperature by 1 degree in the past century it doesn't mean that it is man made

You know what... I have read the research and educated myself. I have linked to it here for years. And I have heard that bullshiat, "doesn't mean its man made" excuse time and time again. So lets see it.

Lets see the science that shows that our influence is not to blame for the increase in global temperatures and atmospheric carbon dioxide.

Here's the part I never understand with the argument against global warming: As best as I can tell, the entire argument is based on the supposition that we aren't a cause of global warming while basically freely admitting that it's happening as a natural occurrence. Even if that's the case and we really aren't a cause, wouldn't it behoove us, you know, the people who more or less depend on a fairly stable environment, to go ahead and try and do something about it? I've yet to hear anyone give me a good answer as to why we shouldn't.

Put it this way: A major storm is heading for a large city. It's spawning tornadoes and has hail the size of softballs. Luckily you have a magic weather machine that can stop the storm or at least greatly reduce it's power. Do you not use it because the storm is "natural" and shouldn't be interfered with? Anyone here honestly going to say yes?

It is not in humans best interest to ensnare nature's weather

/oblig

"Humans could not screw up the earths environment even if we wanted to!"

Rush told me so!

What if we are wrong? We spurred more industry and put America back on the front lines of innovation for a greener, less energy wasting world. Clean Cars, better smelling air, new jobs and sexy new technologies, and maybe less dependency on the farking Middle East.

What if you are wrong? We are all dead, or very cold, or people lose their homes because the new coast is 20 feet higher than it was before. But before we died, GM shut down because they keep building shiatting gas guzzlers and no one wants them anymore.

soakitincider

Yes it is important to have accurate data.
I think we do indeed have plenty of data to mine and interpret.
The mad Calulis-slut in me thinks we should be assessing the rate of change and what it's catalyst for the Co2 emission and temperature incease is.

anyone heard of the HAARP project? Didn't it do significant damage to the atmosphere with energy? I don't think global warming is the issue we need to deal with, its weather manipulation and how people are going to abuse it. Some places just weren't meant to have that much rain and vise/versa.

And Look at the 10 hottest years on record. Happens to be in the last 14 years that's odd, that every year, is hotter than the one before. 120 degrees in South Dakota.

How long have accurate temperature readings been recorded in South Dakota? 120 years, something like that? The climate is naturally cyclical, and 120 years is not a long span historically. I think pollution is having some effect, but for the most part I think we're seeing natural variations and making some bad assumptions based on them, making the data fit our preconceptions. Obviously, we still need to react to the situation, but what we don't need to do is overreact. The author of this article, who's written others such as the low key "Apocalypse Now: How Mankind is Sleepwalking to the End of the Earth" is in the overreacting group, I think.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0206-01.htm

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer


Conservatives are people who couldn't pass any science classes.


They're not the ones that don't know the difference between a theory and a fact.

There is debate about how great the effects of global climate change will be, and how much of them is attributable to human action. But it's silly to think that the actions of 6.5 billion people have absolutely no effect on anything, period, which I take to be the position of the anti-GW crowd. And silencing and redacting research because it conflicts with your policies is indefensible no matter who does it.

And I don't really care whether Manhattan is flooded as a result of natural processes or of human stupidity, I still think we ought to try and avoid it, not dick around pointing fingers.

One other thing I don't understand - the idea that somehow developing and implementing new technologies for power and transportation will somehow "wreck the economy"? Guess we'd better close down all the R&D labs, don't want any of that dangerous innovation getting out, right? Heck, with the end of the housing boom, a smart government could leverage this into the next economic expansion phase, not treat it like something the cat drug in.

Stupid people annoy me. Willfully ignorant people terrify me.

in the grand scheme of things, 100 years, 1000 years, hell 1million years is not that much. So what we see over a 100 years is not a good representative sample of what really is.

emnar: /oblig

Finally someone who gets it. Everyone who desies this as the cause of global warming are just idiots who ignore the facts that are right in front of their faces etc....

gonzo-

tact? fark tact. people need to wake up now. and i am an asshole by nature so deal with it.

I remember when a scientific theory had to be testable.

ahh, the good old days.

CommonSenseSurrenders


emnar: /oblig

Finally someone who gets it. Everyone who desies this as the cause of global warming are just idiots who ignore the facts that are right in front of their faces etc....

Because its fun to insult people when you cannot provide a proper argument

Mosey
Another person with a "30 years or less" prediction.

You even put parameters on it, can we bet on this? Say put $50 in a interest bearing fund, the winner gets to take it out in 2030?

I will gladly take that bet.
On the condition that if/when substinative measures are taken to reduce green house gasses the money is split evenly because the outcome at that point will be skewed by positive action towards greenhouse gas reduction.

Dude, I just read that it's gonna be like -30000 in San Jose.

Code_Archeologist

Do you know what "appealing to lack of proof of the negative" is?
"X is true because there is no proof that X is false."


/Believes in global warming
//thinks it is partly human made
///still thinks you should avoid logical fallacies

I work for science, so i'm really getting a kick out of these replies....

soakitincider: Because its fun to insult people when you cannot provide a proper argument

I have nothing to argue. I just enjoy watching the arguments :)

Choose your battles more wisely, young fool...

Kyranis: Here's the part I never understand with the argument against global warming: As best as I can tell, the entire argument is based on the supposition that we aren't a cause of global warming while basically freely admitting that it's happening as a natural occurrence. Even if that's the case and we really aren't a cause, wouldn't it behoove us, you know, the people who more or less depend on a fairly stable environment, to go ahead and try and do something about it? I've yet to hear anyone give me a good answer as to why we shouldn't.

Put it this way: A major storm is heading for a large city. It's spawning tornadoes and has hail the size of softballs. Luckily you have a magic weather machine that can stop the storm or at least greatly reduce it's power. Do you not use it because the storm is "natural" and shouldn't be interfered with? Anyone here honestly going to say yes?

As a conservative who's for caution (traded my old nice car for a new fuel efficient car) I'm all for intervention.

What I hate, and has happened several times, is the very liberal kids at school admonish me for being a polluter and most of them drive SUVs or minivans alone, while I carpool in my tiny car.

That doesn't leave a great taste for green people with me.

Kyranis: Even if that's the case and we really aren't a cause, wouldn't it behoove us, you know, the people who more or less depend on a fairly stable environment, to go ahead and try and do something about it?

Because if it is natural, and something that happens in cycles, controlling something like that is kind of like asking the penny to make the train stop when you put it on the tracks.

There isn't a "flip the switch" problem. This is where the "ok we all went green and a volcano burped and undid 20 years of going green" argument comes in. All the best intentions, sufferings we partake in and changes we make could still be a terribly insignificant effect if the earth "wants" to do something (and has for some time).

If I told you that punching yourself in the face with a cast iron frying pan every day made your junk bigger how long would you do it before you re-measured your junk and saw it wasn't working?

in the grand scheme of things this world has NEVER seen an industrial revolution that artificially introduced greeenhouse gases and co2 and waste to our environment. why is it not feasable to believe global warming is real and why is it not feasable to take some steps to correct or selfish ways. who will it really hurt?

CommonSenseSurrenders


soakitincider: Because its fun to insult people when you cannot provide a proper argument

I have nothing to argue. I just enjoy watching the arguments :)

Choose your battles more wisely, young fool...


the empty can rattles the most

I_C_Weener

Snicker,, Hi ya ween.
It obviously yanks my chain when people aren't even curious about the data enough to try and ascertain it's meaning simply because the issue has been pidgeon holed as a dirty hippie topic not worthy of their concern.

Are you kidding me? Global warming is AWESOME! It's been roughly 50 degrees all of December. I say MORE! MORE, damn you!

/honestly, people who get fired up over global warming give me a good chuckle.

dallashockey69: who will it really hurt?

The politicians and the big businesses that fund them.

spacechicken170am: They're not the ones that don't know the difference between a theory and a fact.

"Theory" and "fact" are not mutually exclusive words.

CommonSenseSurrenders:

What does this word, "desies," mean?

dallashockey69


in the grand scheme of things this world has NEVER seen an industrial revolution that artificially introduced greeenhouse gases and co2 and waste to our environment. why is it not feasable to believe global warming is real and why is it not feasable to take some steps to correct or selfish ways. who will it really hurt?

A. Business
B. The common folk

who do you want to help?

Code_Archeologist [TotalFark]
You know what... I have read the research and educated myself. I have linked to it here for years. And I have heard that bullshiat, "doesn't mean its man made" excuse time and time again. So lets see it.
Lets see the science that shows that our influence is not to blame for the increase in global temperatures and atmospheric carbon dioxide.

I have done the research too.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/science/climate/2002-02-03-tree-rings.htm

Mosey: If I told you that punching yourself in the face with a cast iron frying pan every day made your junk bigger how long would you do it before you re-measured your junk and saw it wasn't working?

Been doing it every day for 20 years, and my junk is so large i have troubles tripping over it when I walk....

The most intelligent species on the planet is pleased with the growing oceans.

/and apparently so is 1 cow

Dolphins evolved from cows...

soakitincider: the empty can rattles the most

*shhhhh* I'm trying to watch the show.....

FLMountainMan

No I just skimed that article to ensure it's the same island, because I read this when it first appeared on Google news, there are several sources that follow the history of the island a bit further back. And don't just quote verbatim a press release by a gloabl warming group.

The island has been eroding away for the last 50 years. 22 years ago it was made uninhabitable. Now finally it disappears. Now 50 years ago we were in the period of declining gloabl tempatures (1950-1970), so how can global warming have anything to do with it?

Code_Archeologist: On the condition that if/when substinative measures are taken to reduce green house gasses the money is split evenly because the outcome at that point will be skewed by positive action towards greenhouse gas reduction.

The old, "millions will die!!!!!" with a (uhhh unless we have a 50% increase in hybrids because that will solve everything) argument.

You essentially predicted millions of deaths unless everything changes. I think we can agree China and the US isn't going green tomorrow (or the next decade, 30% of your timeline), so then the only path is that one you put in.

You can feel free to put out some measurable goals and actions though, I'm still game.

KrispyKringle: What does this word, "desies," mean?

It means "I must have made a typo when typing this word."

Any further questions?

Uh oh, someone pulled out the "Hockey Stick" chart. Where did I hear that name before? Oh, that's right. The data was fixed and it has been disproven.

Who you gonna believe; Micheal Crichton and Rush Limbaugh, or 95% of the world climatologists?

Actually, I'm more likely to trust all the cited and researched journal footnotes in Dr. Chrictons work. Look past the clever wording, the obvious and continuing human arrogance, and the agenda's of the organizations conducting these studies, and you might just find that global warming may in fact be happening, but not on the OMG scale that everyone seems to be going on about today. The earths climate changes. Thats fact, not theory. Hell,when oxygen levels were drastically elevated it created a mass extinction, with the stronger species adapting and surviving. We're all gonna die, and it'll probably be our own farkin faults, but Im pretty certain that the majority of this tripe is fear mongering.
/MHO

Two-thirds of nearby populated island Ghoramara has also been permanently inundated.

Old and flash-fried: Sodom and Gomorra
New wetness: Soddening Ghoramara

18 MPG SUV Driver here and don't give a damn either... suck it hippies!

Hang On Voltaire:

You do realize that the Medieval Warm Period is:
a) not news to climatologists
b) not a refutation of anthropogenic global warming

Right?

I mean, you wouldn't be posting bullshiat you didn't know anything about on the Internets, would you?

/shocked, shocked I tell you

YoggiSothothUh oh, someone pulled out the "Hockey Stick" chart. Where did I hear that name before? Oh, that's right. The data was fixed and it has been disproven.

Refrence

Uncle Karl

Do you know what "appealing to lack of proof of the negative" is?
"X is true because there is no proof that X is false."

Yes, I do. I am though sick of deniers using ad ignorantiam as if it was valid.

The high priest of the Church of global warming is playing on your fears!



if there was no global warming how many scientists and politicians would have to get another job?

Scaring people into believing the worlds climate is quickly changing for the worse keeps a lot of people employed.

Facts are Facts

BTW: who has a larger carbon footprint. The High Priest Al Gore, or the average american.

Global Warming: The New Liberal Religion! Get yours at a mom and pops' store today!

18 MPG SUV Driver here and don't give a damn either... suck it hippies!

I rest my case.

AtticusDigital:

Did you actually read the good Doctor Crichton's footnotes?

From Wikipedia, because I'm too lazy to find you anything better:

Crichton has also been criticized for having the protagonist of State of Fear assert that:

"Since the ban [of DDT ], two million people a year have died unnecessarily from malaria, mostly children. The ban has caused more than fifty million needless deaths. Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler."

In actuality, the DDT ban specifically exempts any and all use for disease prevention from any regulation, and the total number of deaths from malaria worldwide during the period described is actually less than fifty million.[11] Crichton does, however, moderates his statement somewhat elsewhere in the book with:

"DDT was never banned."
"You're right. Countries were just told that if they used it, they wouldn't get foreign aid."

This version, however, still conflicts with statements by USAID, the World Bank, and WHO, all of which fund DDT for malaria prevention.

Newsflash America: Politicians both Liberal and Conservative in every other first world country on the planet agree that pollution from humans is speeding up global warming. This is an almost universally accepted theory.

Is it 100% definately what is happening? No. It is a theory. An incredibly well researched theory.

Have thousands of the most intelligent scientists of our generation just followed each other like sheep into accepting this theory? No, They are not idiots.

What do liberals have to gain from making up this whole global warming thing? They like the convenience of cars and air conditioning too. They too hate sorting through their bins.

This is not a political issue. It's about science and it's about the future of humanity.

trappedspirit

You win!

Darth Shatner:

Did you just assert that there would be fewer jobs for climatologists if there were no global warming?

...duh, you don't really know much about this newfangled science thing, do you?

Why didn't we sign Kyoto again?

"With 4% of the world's population, the United States emits, by far, the most carbon in the Americas- more than 3 times the rest of the Western Hemisphere combined."

2006-12-27 12:28:38 PM spacechicken170am

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer


Conservatives are people who couldn't pass any science classes.


They're not the ones that don't know the difference between a theory and a fact.

Sure do - theories are more useful than facts.

It's a fact that when I just dropped my cup, it fell to the ground.

It's a theory that every other object on Earth will react the same way, due to a universal attraction to the mass of the earth.

Oracle of Bandwidth
What I hate, and has happened several times, is the very liberal kids at school admonish me for being a polluter and most of them drive SUVs or minivans alone, while I carpool in my tiny car.
That doesn't leave a great taste for green people with me.

According to Laurie David we cannot expect them to be perfect.

She has been dubbed a Gulfstream liberal for flying occasionally in a private jet, and castigated for her second home on Martha's Vineyard. "It's so easy to marginalise people," she says in self-defence. "Yes, I take a private plane on holiday a couple of times a year, and I feel horribly guilty about it. I probably shouldn't do it. But the truth is, I'm not perfect. This is not about perfection. I don't expect anybody else to be perfect either. That's what hurts the environmental movement - holding people to a standard they cannot meet. That just pushes people away."

We can't possibly expect her to fly commercial.

Al2001:

Bear in mind that an overwhelming majority of Americans prefer the creation story to the theory of Darwinian evolution.

Are you really shocked that they see no reason to buy into global warming?

/A majority believe in alien abductions, too
//And elves and eskimos

I think the data we need is there. The problem is that the current climate has adapted political tactics to science.

Politicians know that by disseminating contrary or misleading information, they can skew public opinion. Now, science has been dragged into the realm of politics.

People don't know who to trust anymore because every time a scientific study comes out, another emerges with contradicting data and conclusions.

The real data is in our hands. If we can't separate fact from the bullshiat we've create, then maybe we aren't fit to survive.

"no...but republicans ignore the problem. at least libs recognize the problem and are taking steps to correct things. but its hard when a bunch of conservatives act like assholes and refuse to even think about conservation."

yes, by driving solo to the Safeway in their Chevy Suburbans and Lincoln Fornicators, etc. which in the oh so chi-chi liberal dem enclave of Alexandria VA all of course sport Kerry-Edwards, Gore-Lieberman, Hilary in 2008 bumper stickers. of course, they are really closet neo-cons faking it.

I_C_Weener: Well, mine is just as big...but I didn't hit myself in the face witha frying pan for 20 years...and got the same result. Maybe we should have studied it first before jumpingonthe newest wang enlarging fad, huh?

But mine might have started out smaller.

KrispyKringle: Did you just assert that there would be fewer jobs for climatologists if there were no global warming?...duh, you don't really know much about this newfangled science thing, do you?

I vacationed in the French Riviera a few months ago. The climatologists were there blowing all their grant money on expensive champagne and hookers, just laughing at the oil executives who could only afford Perrier.

1970's: Global cooling is going to kill us all.
1980's: Global warming is going to kill us all.
1990's: New hotness -- Global warming AND global cooling is going to kill us all.
2000+: Nah, were back to just global warming again.

So, when's the new mantra that we're all going to freeze to death coming back around?

soakitincider-

how will expanding public transportation and encouraging people to ride a bike to work hurt? how will making cars that use alternative fuels hurt? how will making cars have higher MPG ratings hurt? how will recycling hurt? how will getting off our oil addiction hurt? how will using 40 watt or 60 watt bulbs as opposed to 100 watt bulbs hurt? i can go on and on. it won't hurt anyone. it will merely be an inconvenience to adjust to that will become part of the norm and we will wonder why we were so wasteful.

I say as a first step we need to ban private jets. I believe in global warming and I believe we are causing it to some degree. Why are we allowing a very small amount of people to have such a huge carbon impact?

By they way Mr.Gore I suggest you use commercial air travel like the rest of next time you do a movie tour. Also before you deride us with our overuse perhaps you should get a smaller home and smaller car.

Scaring people into believing the worlds climate is quickly changing terrorism is getting for the worse, keeps a lot of people the POTUS employed.

OriginalGamer: How anyone can sit there straight faced and claim it isn't having an impact boggles the mind.

Easy..they are stupid farking dittoheads...

YoungSwedishBlonde: The ocean is coming at us at a blistering pace of a foot a decade! LOOK OUT!!!!

My god I hope your kidding...you realize what a foot a decade rise in the ocean would do...you do right...tell me you;'re not that stupid.

How come people who don't believe in global warming never present facts that it is false?

whatshisname:

shiat. You got me. For a moment, there, I thought you were being serious.

Guess that shows how crazy this argument is.

Hopefully the UFOs and angels will save us from global warming. After all, more Americans believe in the former than the latter.

/idiots

I for one welcome our oceanic overlords.

Uncle Karl:

I fail to see how Gore's use of a private jet (does he use a private jet? I don't know anything about it) has any relevance to anthropogenic global warming.

If he flew by commercial air, would you admit that we're causing increased carbon emissions?

What has the future ever done for ME?

gr8fultom: My god I hope your kidding...you realize what a foot a decade rise in the ocean would do...you do right...tell me you;'re not that stupid.

Yes - it would completely submerge everything

amindtat

thank you i was about to type out something about global warming existing and gettin all up in the argument but that pic made me laugh too much.

thanks for brightening my day.

thedarksyde
Reference?

Just google ["Hockey Stick" global warming]. First article is:

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/13830/

Search article for "fundamental mathematical flaw."

/Sorry, I was off on the fixed data part. Maybe there is more than one problem with it.

March_Hare


spacechicken170am: They're not the ones that don't know the difference between a theory and a fact.

"Theory" and "fact" are not mutually exclusive words.


I didn't say they were. I am saying that people spout off like global warming is a fact when it is just a theory. Granted some theories have more facts to back them up like say gravity whereas some theories are not based on much fact like global warming or FSM....Ramen.

YoungSwedishBlonde: The ocean is coming at us at a blistering pace of a foot a decade! LOOK OUT!!!!

You can't help but look at a post like that and wonder how humanity got to the top of the food chain.

dallashockey69: in the grand scheme of things this world has NEVER seen an industrial revolution that artificially introduced greeenhouse gases and co2 and waste to our environment.

How exactly do you know that? We don't know much of anything in that sort of detail past, oh,I'd say, 2.500, 3.000 years or so. We can't even agree on why the Giza plateau was built, or how it was built. Now you are gonna tell me that in 2-3 million years of human existence, we are the only civilization that achieved an industrialized society? We wouldn't necessarily see the leftovers of said society. Think about it. If we were wiped out by disease, what would be left to show our civilization existed in 1000 years? 5000? 10,000? Not a lot. The only building materials that would still be standing in 10,000 would be stone.

Alien invasion: How the possum became public enemy No 1

Gotta trust a source with articals like this one.

"anyone here not getting at least 40mpg is part of the problem"

So better fuel economy will save us all.

20 mpg for 20 miles per day
vs
40 mpg for 100 miles per day

One of them is contributing more CO2 and should probably move closer to work.

The problem with relying on memory ... fixed memories!

I_C_Weener: Perhaps genetics had something to do with it...not the frying pan to the head. Or perhaps the frying pan to the head caused damage to the brain making you think your member is huge? See, don't just jump on the fad...wait for the best snake-oil. I have some in here that makes you big and her a "happyest woman alife". I think the email is from Vietnam, so you know its good.

But see - I have a chart that tracks the average penile length over the past 40 years, and there has been a dramatic rise in length that coincided with when I began to smash my face with the cast-iron skillet. What more proof do you need? How can you deny the facts that are right there in front of your face???

LouDobbsAwaaaay
Congratulations. You have proven, without a doubt, that humans are not partially responsible for observed global warming.
800 years ago.

So you all are just going to ignore it? 800 years ago we had a similar uptick in the Earths' temperature. So why can't we have one now?