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(Independent)   Crafty libs fake disappearance of populated island, fueling global-warming scare   (news.independent.co.uk.) divider line 733
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2006-12-27 12:08:01 PM  
global warning is God punishing us for voting for GW (or because he hates gays or something) humans have no responsibility at all for it and we should remember that when our great grandchildren have gills
 
2006-12-27 12:08:10 PM  
Well, if this effect is global, and not just a local effectaround the delta, shouldn't places like Florida (hi) be experiencing something similar around the coast?
 
2006-12-27 12:08:28 PM  
Global warming is saving us from the ice age predicted in the 70's.
 
2006-12-27 12:08:49 PM  
It hit 120 degrees this summer in SOUTH DAKOTA! That is One Hundred and Twenty Degrees. Get rid of all the other shiat. Water levels, gas content, all of that. And Look at the 10 hottest years on record. Happens to be in the last 14 years that's odd, that every year, is hotter than the one before. 120 degrees in South Dakota.
 
2006-12-27 12:08:52 PM  
soakitincider

We can't "prove" gravity either, I better start nailing my shiat down a little better...
 
2006-12-27 12:09:19 PM  
spacechicken170am: I'm not a conservative and I do believe that we should curtail our pollution but I don't believe that the rising temperatures are being caused by our pollution.

Well - if you dare to fall short of their particular brand and fanaticism, then you are obviously one of the evil other side.....
 
2006-12-27 12:09:44 PM  
The point is NOT that the problem is caused by everyone, the point is that the issue has become so politicized that most right wingers immediatley dismiss words from liberals and teh evil Acedamia.
This is stupid behavior. Just because you don't share political pholisophies with environmentalists doesn't mean you should stick your heads up your asses and deny the friggin science that's right in front of you. Farking monkeys makes you all look like complete assholes.
Grow a GD brain for cryin out loud.
 
2006-12-27 12:09:49 PM  
OMG! Al Gore was right this whole time! Hes been telling us for years that islands would sink! Lets all be free thinkers and think whatever free thinkers tell us to think!
 
2006-12-27 12:10:00 PM  
godofusa.com: I'm not denying global warming in the long-run, but not the "omgz we will drowns in twentee yearez!!!11!1" crap

Tell me right now who said this?

you are making this up. Give me a reference.

But we need to do something now or it will be too late to do anything.
 
2006-12-27 12:10:25 PM  
choice and consequence: Island was swamped 22 years ago. Original article fails to mention that.

Oops...
 
2006-12-27 12:10:42 PM  
spacechicken170am

I'm not a conservative and I do believe that we should curtail our pollution but I don't believe that the rising temperatures are being caused by our pollution.


and I beleive in fairies and Santa Claus and that George Bush is great leader and that only DC10's and Pigs can fly
 
2006-12-27 12:11:09 PM  
i think the submitter was being a snark troll. i believe the submitter believes in global warming, and believes the article is fact. I believe the submitter did his best neocon ACT, and most of the posters were duped.

the give away is the lack of evidence to support the claim made in the headline. but i am sure this article will be discredited in time.
 
2006-12-27 12:11:45 PM  
rummonkey: We can't "prove" gravity either, I better start nailing my shiat down a little better...

Do me a favor, stand underneath this ladder while I attempt to "prove" gravity with this bowling ball that I will release above your head....
 
2006-12-27 12:12:02 PM  
Corvus

Statistics are biased man, you cannot tell me with 100% confidience that that graph is correct.
 
2006-12-27 12:12:15 PM  
Who cares. We all die eventually, anyway.
 
2006-12-27 12:12:24 PM  
This entire debate will end when Republicans have to start pandering to "Greenvangelicals".
 
2006-12-27 12:12:27 PM  
I actually believed the headline that Libs faked it.... It shows how untrustworthy Libs are.
 
2006-12-27 12:12:29 PM  
i66.photobucket.com

The Earth heats up and cools down cyclically over time.
 
2006-12-27 12:12:36 PM  
Corvus: Tell me right now who said this?

you are making this up. Give me a reference.


I'll play. I can't give a link, but there was a thread on here about a month ago where some NASA guy was saying if we don't immediately ban cars or something like that, global warming would kill us all by 2016.
 
2006-12-27 12:12:39 PM  
So this means we shouldn't rebuild New Orleans, right?

I mean, since the oceans are rising it doesn't make much sense.
 
2006-12-27 12:12:42 PM  
rurdy: Global warming is saving us from the ice age predicted in the 70's.

Actually read the wiki on this. This was something looked at by scientist but not believed in the scientific community would happen. The press found it and made a big deal about it even though it wasn't excepted in the scientific community.

Climate change is accepted by the scientific community and has lots of data to back it up.
 
2006-12-27 12:13:12 PM  
First global warming caused the horrible 2006 hurricane season and now this? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
 
2006-12-27 12:13:17 PM  
I dont know what your all worried about anyway, Now N Korea has the bomb we are in for a long Nuclear Winter.
 
Seb
2006-12-27 12:13:27 PM  
Corvus
Besides even if it is not caused by man we still need to do something about it anyway. That would be like saying a meteor is going to hit the earth but lets not do anything about it cause it's not our fault. Normal republican logic.

I agree with everything you say except this, because what you're implying is we should try to overcorrect things. If you conclude that humans aren't causing global warming but it's some natural increase in greenhouse gases causing it, then basically you're saying that even if we stop all use of fossil fuels, we'd still have to do something to counter the effects. That's a dangerous idea, and will almost certainly lead to further complicating the problem.

I think you should just stick to the argument that global warming is caused by humans, and we should handle it by cutting back on greenhouse emissions in a reasonable way that won't bankrupt the economy.
 
2006-12-27 12:13:29 PM  
Screw the grandkids, I'm cold now.

(actually, its quite nice so far this year... ahhh, southern-like climate in Ohio-- although its El Nino, not Global warming)

BTW-- Global warming also produces high-upper atmosphere global cooling/thinning-- this causes satelites to decrease drag in a very measurable way-- their drag is decreasing in exact accordance to the measured global warming, providing independant evidence for those who think the world's glaciers are a fluke.

Personally, I think the ice caps are overrated, but limiting production just ISNT going to happen-- carbon sequestering is the only thing that's going to help.
 
2006-12-27 12:14:02 PM  
FTGodWin: Oh, did I mention that Hitler was a raging enviromentalist?

/FTGodWin


He also wore clothes, we all need to stop so we aren't like Hitler in any way!!
 
2006-12-27 12:14:24 PM  
soakitincider-

why argue against global warming? will conservartion kill us? why is it people feel like their SUV's and trucks are really needed. families were bigger a few decades ago and car were SMALLER. scale down america. we are out of control with waste and abundance.
 
2006-12-27 12:14:34 PM  
I dunno.

Yeah, I believe there is global warming attributed to humans. However, there is a lot of natural stuff that is going on as well. As they look back in historical evidence, there are times when the earth gets warmer or colder without any help from humans.

In addition to the "greenhouse gasses" that are going to kill us all by heating the oceans, there is also:

More people. Each person on the earth generates more heat. Miniscule, I know, but each fraction of a decimal point adds to the total.

More people means more industry. More metal produced for cars (or bicycles in some countries), more agricultural clearing for food, etc. = more heat through cleared land and mechanical operation

Higher standard of living. Who can deny someone in Mexico City an air conditioner to combat the increased temperatures due to so many people. And air conditioners don't remove the hot air - they just move it outside and create more heat in the process.

And the list can go on-and-on-and-on.

To solve the problem... ...get rid of most of the people. Problem solved.

\not a scientist
\\thinks both "there is no global warming" people and "global warming is the apocalypse" people are all ninnies.
\\\had a lot of fun reading Niven's "Fallen Angels"
 
2006-12-27 12:14:53 PM  
Corvus
Statistics are biased man, you cannot tell me with 100% confidience that that graph is correct.

Classic denial.
I bet if an iceberg parked itself in your backyard you would think it just fell from the sky or something.
 
2006-12-27 12:14:56 PM  
No one listens to me.

It's all the birds! (Satellites)
GPS, ComSats, HDTV, Cell, LandSat, GeoSat, .. over 2000 of them up there, and some radiating the earth 24/7 .

All you need to do is heat the atmosphere up one degree to cause dramatic climate change.

/Farking out my hiney.
 
2006-12-27 12:15:11 PM  
Oh, and another thing Libs: the phrase "global warming" does not appear once in the U.S. Constitution. NOT ONCE.
 
2006-12-27 12:15:41 PM  
Oi! Blame it on the cows? Negligible compared to China's unfiltered coal power plants. Thankfully, they're starting to go "green." People, I hate to say it, but we got maybe thirty years. The MINIMUM is to drive a car like a Civic (unless you say work a trade...), recycle all that is recyclable, only replace what is broken (my black and white tv serves me well..), and walk/bike whenever possible. Oh. and do away with giving hundreds of dollars of gifts at christmas. Last thing we need; protroleum wasted on shiat we'll stick in a closet.

Yes, the world warms and cools periodically. Such is normal. Thing is, the speed with which the earth is warming is completely unprecedented- as shown by ice core samples. Who you gonna believe; Micheal Crichton and Rush Limbaugh, or 95% of the world climatologists?

The choice is yours; but your behavior will kill a lot of people, especially in the third world, while leading to mass extinction as climate belts shift faster then species can migrate. Have fun being smug with you Excursion SUV with the "I love America" bumpersticker. When it all goes to hell, I'll know who to blame! And if your grand kids can't tour lower Manhatten? Oh well, right?
 
2006-12-27 12:15:58 PM  
Who cares? If God wanted us dead tomorrow, He'd have it. It's possible that we all choke on pure ash or the wind carries it all away and no one has an issue. None of you can read the future. To debate this stuff can become pointless at times, much like retards winning the olympics. I guess it makes someone feel better.
 
2006-12-27 12:16:02 PM  
CommonSenseSurrenders: I'll play. I can't give a link, but there was a thread on here about a month ago where some NASA guy was saying if we don't immediately ban cars or something like that, global warming would kill us all by 2016.

Oh of course the "You must cite all your sources but I don't have too".

the well "some guy said". I find it amusing how the people who believe in global warming have to give tons of facts but the anti-groups just use "well some guy said" and its ok.

No environmental scientist is saying we will be all dead in 20 years you were making a straw man argument.
 
2006-12-27 12:16:31 PM  
global warming is a fact. whats wrong with conserving? will it kill you to not be a jackass and drive some truck or suv? maybe recycle?

Nothing to do with what they drive at this point. It's the same "stay the course" idiocy that kept us on the bad end of a wasteful war of attrition. Even the slightest shift - even a new strategy - would be tantamount to complete surrender and withdrawal.

Compare the behavior to other people who have science against them and fight it's findings, or who perpetuate old and discarded theories. There comes a point at which they will make the most ridiculous claims just to be right. There are flat-earth nutjobs who have given up and admitted the world is round, but insist that it must have happened recently, because they know for a fact it wasn't round before.

So be prepared for the admission you want, but you won't like it when it comes. "Oh, wow, so NOW global warming really IS happening. You libs lucked out on that one."
 
2006-12-27 12:16:50 PM  
smeegle

The point is NOT that the problem is caused by everyone, the point is that the issue has become so politicized that most right wingers immediatley dismiss words from liberals and teh evil Acedamia.

Wheras most liberals immediately dimiss any attempt to question the severity and direct impact of human interaction on climate change and climate change on rising sea levels as monkeys.

And then people who don't describe themselves on an idiotic two dimensional political spectrum sit back in the thread and laugh their hangover away.
 
2006-12-27 12:16:52 PM  
The people were evacuated off of the island 20 years ago because it was starting to flood. This article states that the whole thing is now UNDER sea level. Not just getting a bit soggy.
 
2006-12-27 12:17:13 PM  
Corvus: how many facts you hit them with

You mean like the EVERYBODY PANIC graph you posted that shows rates went from 0.00027 to 0.00035 over 250 years.

Gosh... we are done for.

To put that in perspective, the United States has that amount of change in documented births each two days. (12,000 births a day).

So when you equate your EVERYBODY PANIC graph to something we all understand like population, your great crisis is the same as two days in the United States.

So, what is your US overpopulation prediction, next Thursday?
 
2006-12-27 12:17:17 PM  
Tonka Truck: To solve the problem... ...get rid of most of the people. Problem solved.

hey - this is what I've been saying for some time. And the most activist of the global warming proponents should go first, since they care so much. Since it's CO2 that's causing global warming, all the proponents should immediately cease and desist from producing additional CO2.
 
2006-12-27 12:17:24 PM  
2006-12-27 11:57:17 AM bongmiester



Warm water from oil production at the North Pole?? WTF?
Put the bong down, son.....
 
2006-12-27 12:17:26 PM  
Those who deny global warming do so because it means that, in belief, they would have to change the way they live day-to-day as well as feel an overwhelming sense of guilt and selfishness in regards to that beast they drive that gets 5 miles per gallon.

If you deny what is around you and plainly seen, you are a fool.

Just because there's snow where you are doesn't mean the earth isn't getting warmer.
 
2006-12-27 12:17:29 PM  
hey, um did anyone notice that there's a mass extinction going on? the kind that's happened 6 times before in earth's history and killed off most of the food chain every time?

global warming is superflous. there is an extinction event occurring on our planet right now, the evidence is indisputable, and the end result is the extinction of our species.

unfortunately, the human animal didn't evolve to be the stewards of the earth, or even of their own species.
 
2006-12-27 12:17:33 PM  
smeegle


Corvus
Statistics are biased man, you cannot tell me with 100% confidience that that graph is correct.

Classic denial.
I bet if an iceberg parked itself in your backyard you would think it just fell from the sky or something.

It would be definitely interesting to find out how it got there. It would require rigorous and non biased investigation to determine the specifics.
 
2006-12-27 12:18:18 PM  
The Sky is Falling!!!!
The Oceans are Rising!!!
The Earth is getting hotter!!!!
If we could only blow up the Sun eveything would be ok.
BTW If Gore actually believes this stuff, why does he own stock in companies that pollute, heat and cool four homes, fly in private jets...??
 
2006-12-27 12:18:25 PM  
WarpZone

Aren't we ate for a mass extinction event anyway?
 
2006-12-27 12:18:28 PM  
The earth's temperature is cyclicle it's constantly warming and cooling. I will continue to believe that the rise in temperature is part of this cycle until I see proof that man made pollution is the cause.

/quit spray painting SUV's ya damn hippies.
 
2006-12-27 12:18:42 PM  
Pollution is bad.

Pollution may cause adverse climate changes.

EPA restrictions decrease pollution.

EPA restrictions decrease corporate profits.

If you want to decrease corporate profits, you hate America.

If you propose a pollution causes global warming theory, you hate America.
 
2006-12-27 12:18:57 PM  
CommonSenseSurrenders


Tonka Truck: To solve the problem... ...get rid of most of the people. Problem solved.

hey - this is what I've been saying for some time. And the most activist of the global warming proponents should go first, since they care so much. Since it's CO2 that's causing global warming, all the proponents should immediately cease and desist from producing additional CO2

Nazis at work here. Anyone who believes we should "get rid of people" are the worst sorts of humans that exist on this planet
 
2006-12-27 12:19:03 PM  
*late
 
2006-12-27 12:19:28 PM  
lilplatinum
Wheras most liberals immediately dimiss any attempt to question the severity and direct impact of human interaction on climate change and climate change on rising sea levels as monkeys.

All I am trying to say is polarizing this issue instead of making an effort to understand the data is just ignorant.
 
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