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(Some Guy)   The first steel columns of the epic clusterfark that is Ground Zero in New York City have been placed. Conspiracy theorists announce skepticism pending their own chicken-wire shake tests   (northcountrygazette.org) divider line 356
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2006-12-20 12:52:11 PM
I believe he was being facetious

9/11 threads are full of such crazies that you can never, ever assume that unless it's as obvious as rosie o'donnell is fat
 
2006-12-20 12:52:19 PM
Lumber Jack Offtook them long enough, any other country would have had this thing built already.

Afghanistan would have built a 100-story skyscraper in the past 5 years? Sudan? Yemen?

There are only about 10 countries in the world with companies capable of building 50+ story skyscrapers. The skyscrapers that exist elsewhere were built / are being built by countries from one of those ~10 countries.
 
2006-12-20 12:52:34 PM
IMHO, the only conspiracy theory is the story that the government slapped together in the week following the attacks. And why would Bush and Cheney be fighting against having an official investigation into 9/11? It wasn't until the families of victims stood up and made some noise that they agreed to one.
 
2006-12-20 12:52:48 PM
Pocket Ninja: You said you had some questions, so list them.

I have some too, but I will start with 1 and go from there...

why did Ashcroft stop flying on commercial flights in july but nobody warned the rest of the citizenry.
 
2006-12-20 12:52:59 PM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2006-12-20 12:53:52 PM
I will forever be extremely upset that they decided against this:

www.bunnychampers.net
 
2006-12-20 12:54:35 PM
surrender or succumb to the forces of tyranny and oppression.

Ahhh, so the people in the towers weren't blown up, they were oppressed...by tyrants. Glad we won't succumb. I'm certainly not going to succumb...or surrender for that matter.
 
2006-12-20 12:55:35 PM
Howie_Feltersnatch: I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who did that stupid chicken wire "test" was just some asshole trying to discredit the truth movement.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. This guy does seem serious:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12 5&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836 (pops)

Here's his blog with more recent "tests"

http://wtcmodel.blogspot.com/ (pops)

What's amusing is that if the government or some body like Popular Mechanics used chicken wire and sandbags to "model" the events of 9/11, this guy would go nuts, claiming how ridiculous it is to do such a thing. But here he is, thinking he's exposing the "truth".
 
2006-12-20 12:56:28 PM
why did Ashcroft stop flying on commercial flights in july but nobody warned the rest of the citizenry

innuendo camoflaged as a question is not a real question. how does this relate to anything?
 
2006-12-20 12:58:00 PM
Howie_Feltersnatch: The more outlandish theories, i.e. holographic planes, UFOs, etc. are usually put online by people making fun of the true conspiracy theorists.

Of course, your boy Jones recently ran away from the "Scholars for 911 truth" because Fetzer went over the edge and is now even more of a raving loony than Jones.

Interestingly, since Fetzer came up with his rather creative "energy death beams from space" theory, everyone is now denouncing him as a government shill, when before he was the darling.


I love how you guys start shrieking "Plant! Shill!" whenever one of you gets a tad too creative.

Personally, I LOVED the one where it was "miniature H bombs designed to leave no radiation".

Here, let me: the beams just shipped from Arcolor have "thermite cutter charges" already built in!
 
2006-12-20 12:59:42 PM
Paulson: I will forever be extremely upset that they decided against this:


And his wig.

PLease tell me the chicken wire thing was a joke, anyone who thinks it was set up based on that should be forced to wear a big neon sign saying Dumbass
 
2006-12-20 12:59:49 PM
Iv'e never flown on a plane. I must have known about 9/11 since 1980!
 
2006-12-20 12:59:54 PM
Paulson [TotalFark]
I will forever be extremely upset that they decided against this:

on a show about the towers one of the original designers said he could put them back up at 130 stories each without any design changes due to improved materials.
/as I said, I'd MUCH rather see that than the current plan
 
2006-12-20 01:00:17 PM
A set up

Dam english
 
2006-12-20 01:00:33 PM
erewhon: Personally, I LOVED the one where it was "miniature H bombs designed to leave no radiation".

Jeeze, and I thought some of 'em were whacked out, but that's pretty cake-taking right there...
 
2006-12-20 01:00:58 PM
albo: why did Ashcroft stop flying on commercial flights in july but nobody warned the rest of the citizenry

innuendo camoflaged as a question is not a real question. how does this relate to anything?


oh I didn't ask a "real question"...why don't you give us all a list of questions we can ask and then you can answer them all...
 
2006-12-20 01:01:19 PM
Howie_Feltersnatch: I never said I had any questions. Don't put any farking words in my mouth.

Oh. I'm sorry. I guess when you said this:

"Well, in that case he's a freaking idiot, and shouldn't be lumped in with everyone still asking the unanswered questions about 9/11."

I just assumed you had some questions. I guess I was wrong, and understand now that you are not one of these paranoid whack jobs spouting conspiracy theories. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2006-12-20 01:02:48 PM
Headso: oh I didn't ask a "real question"...why don't you give us all a list of questions we can ask and then you can answer them all...

You didn't ask a real question. You made a baseless accusation that's intended to spark rampant, wild speculation.
 
2006-12-20 01:03:24 PM
erewhon: "miniature H bombs designed to leave no radiation".

Never heard that one.

Here's an interesting theory
 
2006-12-20 01:03:26 PM
"why did Ashcroft stop flying on commercial flights in july but nobody warned the rest of the citizenry."


That's easy. It's for the same reason that Condi and Rumsfeld stopped flying commercial and ordered their staffs to do the same. All of them attended the presentation given by Richard Clarke two weeks prior which provided explicit warnings that the US was about to be attacked by al-qaeda and that the attacks would involve the hijacking of commercial flights.

The 9/11 attacks were not a surprise. The whitehouse was warned repeatedly that an attack was imminent. Bushco chose to ignore the warnings. This isn't a conspiracy theory. The meetings, the repeated warnings, and orders to stop flying are all documented in whitehouse records.
 
2006-12-20 01:03:38 PM
Humpty Dumpty was pushed.
 
2006-12-20 01:03:59 PM
The only case you *might* make is that certain people knew it was going to happen and didn't stop it. Which would just be a wild accusation, since no proof of such exists.

Sibel Edmonds would disagree with you but can't speak of the 911 early warnings thanks to Ashcroft's Gag Order!

http://www.justacitizen.com/
 
2006-12-20 01:03:59 PM
Paulson

I will forever be extremely upset that they decided against this:


not me, man. the original towers were ugly to begin with. And having to watch Donald Trump having hot sex with his own ego is more than I can stand.
 
2006-12-20 01:05:14 PM
Howie_Feltersnatch: Here's an interesting theory

Jeeze, that William of Occam fellow must be spinning in his grave...
 
2006-12-20 01:06:23 PM
The only funny part of this story is goig to be how long it takes them to get out of the ground. My prediction is that they may have the foundation complete in the same amount of time it took to build the entire Empire State Building. As it is the project is predicted to be complete in 2011 and my guess 2013 is more likely.

New York labor unions are a disgrace to the whole union concept. Rather than strive to provide superior labor at a premium price they instead tie up a contractor with manpower that is not needed in the name of legacy work (oilers on self greasing machines, operators on compressors to turn a switch on and off, etc). The fact that the steel was milled in Germany rather than here in the US says tons.
 
2006-12-20 01:07:39 PM
Pocket Ninja: You didn't ask a real question. You made a baseless accusation

how is it a baseless accusation, John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial jets on july 26th following all the warnings coming in about an imminent attack yet nobody warned anyone about it.
 
2006-12-20 01:07:50 PM
L.Darte
All of them attended the presentation given by Richard Clarke two weeks prior which provided explicit warnings that the US was about to be attacked by al-qaeda and that the attacks would involve the hijacking of commercial flights.

wow, that's pretty chilling. would you mind posting the link to this so I can check it out myself?
 
2006-12-20 01:08:23 PM
they need to just get it over with and recreate 9/11 in a controlled experiment

recreate 4 floors of the WTC with weights on top to simulate the rest of the building above, load up a remote controlled plane with the jet fuel needed to fly across the country, and smack that thing at the speed the planes hit on 9/11 and watch what happens

/just need to find a shiatload of money to fund this
 
2006-12-20 01:08:24 PM
Ah, so incompetence is now synonymous with informed conspiracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4I-oBlxDqE&eurl=

LOLz
 
2006-12-20 01:09:13 PM
Here's an interesting theory

by "interesting," you no doubt mean "insanely complicated and ridiculous:

The operation involved the "hijackings" of four civilian aircraft, then substituting them with remote-controlled USAF aircraft or "drones".

Furthermore, the assurance values of the WTC were doubled in July 2001, at the same time the MOSSAD's offices at the WTC were vacated. Bush's Carlyle Group members were beneficiaries of these options - a very vital set of "smoking gun clues" that were completely ignored or conveniently forgotten by official "investigators" in the days, weeks, and months following the joint CIA/Mossad operation

Demolition preparations of the wing of the Pentagon that was under preparation

There is photographic evidence of a small plane before the actual collapse of the wing of the Pentagon. The structures did not collapse until firefighters sprayed lots of water on the ceiling of the building.
 
2006-12-20 01:09:15 PM
albo

innuendo camoflaged as a question is not a real question. how does this relate to anything?

Don't change the question and just answer the farking question.

It's retarded to think a band of civilians could co-ordinate this and go completely unnoticed for years of planning and the actual operation.

The end result was various new oppressive laws (patriot act?) and the war in Iraq. The war, which I might add, led to incredible military spending (money going into the military industrial complex) and rebuilding contracts going to Haliburton. The CEO of which was until recently Cheney.

I don't know how responsible the USA government was for 9/11 and the ensuing bullshiat that resulted, but it's naive to think they had absolutely no motive to carry out the attacks.

I mean look how much they're benefiting from it. Bush was basically given his second term, Haliburton is rolling in the dough (by over charging and winning all of the bids), etc, etc, etc.

Of course, we'll never sit down and talk about this until people realize that you don't have to be completely batshiat crazy about it.
 
2006-12-20 01:10:24 PM
I realize when you guys wanted questions you wanted them about melting steel and lazers and thermite and other silliness that is easily debunked, sorry I am not following your script...
 
2006-12-20 01:12:16 PM
It's retarded to think a band of civilians could co-ordinate this and go completely unnoticed for years of planning and the actual operation.

but it's easy to believe that the US government could implement an insanely complicated plan to murder potentially 50,000 of its own citizens? and not a single government employee involved ever blabbed out of guilt or patriotism or a leak? that's more believeable?
 
2006-12-20 01:12:24 PM
Headso: John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial jets on july 26th following all the warnings coming in about an imminent attack yet nobody warned anyone about it.

And what would you have had them do? A report indicates a possible thread in one security meeting and he's supposed to halt all air travel for all Americans?

It is possible, certainly, to say that the Bush administration dropped the ball in covering Al Queda and monitoring their activities. I'll go along with that. But to then suggest that there was some sort of collusion to bring down the towers on the part of the Bush administration, which is where so many of these idiot theories seem to want to go, is pure madness.
 
2006-12-20 01:12:25 PM
Headso: Pocket Ninja: You didn't ask a real question. You made a baseless accusation

how is it a baseless accusation, John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial jets on july 26th following all the warnings coming in about an imminent attack yet nobody warned anyone about it.


I think it was a fair question, even if there were tons of implications. It's very plausible that they would stop flying on a warning "just in case" but still be too incompetent to follow up on it. It doesn't prove that they had any foreknowledge, though.
 
2006-12-20 01:12:27 PM
That building will be haunted! Haunted I tells ya!
 
2006-12-20 01:13:05 PM
L.Darte: The irony is that the US is sinking into tyranny and oppression by its own hand. The terrorists don't have to do a damn thing at this point. If there were no terrorists, Bushco would invent them.

Your first two sentences are correct, but your last is too exclusionary. Both sides of the political spectrum depend on boogeymen to get their way. One points to threats from without (turrists), the other points to how we can't be trusted to live our own lives (*GASP* a law abiding citizen + anything more dangerous than a stick = crime in waiting).

As I have said before, both sides are destroying our freedoms. The only difference is in which ones are removed first.
 
2006-12-20 01:13:17 PM
GurneyHalleck: Loose Change

Loose Screws
 
zjz
2006-12-20 01:14:11 PM
www1.istockphoto.com
 
2006-12-20 01:14:42 PM
i4.photobucket.com
 
2006-12-20 01:16:33 PM
Anyone who believes the chicken wire scenario has no understanding of construction, how the world trace center was built, and what actually caused its collapse. The exterior columns failed by being pulled INWARD.
 
2006-12-20 01:16:45 PM
Pocket Ninja: And what would you have had them do? A report indicates a possible thread in one security meeting and he's supposed to halt all air travel for all Americans?

is asking them to put more air marshals or some civilian clothed fbi or cia or special forces guys on more flights too much to ask? is asking them to put them on even 1 domestic flight too much to ask?

It is possible, certainly, to say that the Bush administration dropped the ball in covering Al Queda and monitoring their activities.

fine, that is a conspiracy right there, they totally dropped the ball allowed this to happen and then went to alot of trouble to cover up their mishandling the situation.
 
2006-12-20 01:16:47 PM
SchlingFo

four95,

/9-11 Survivor

Were you in the towers, or did you dodge them as they came down?


I would bet money that the answer to both is 'no'.

Here is a hint, kids: you are not a "survivor" of anything unless there was a greater-than-50% chance of that thing actually killing you.
 
2006-12-20 01:16:54 PM
Headso why did Ashcroft stop flying on commercial flights in july but nobody warned the rest of the citizenry.

Ashcroft testified before the 9/11 commission and was asked this exact question.

He stopped flying in July 2001, a few months after he started as head of the DOJ, because of the screening procedures to which his security guards were subjected. His wife and son continued to fly commercially.

L.DarteThe whitehouse was warned repeatedly that an attack was imminent.

Perhaps you are referring to the Aug 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing entitled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.'. It's only a page long. Read it - It's actually surprisingly non-informative. It does not say that an attack was 'imminent'. It says that Al-Qaeda was scoping out government buildings, not commercial buildings. It says there were cells in the U.S. planning attacks "with explosives".
 
2006-12-20 01:18:22 PM
19 Muslim men hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings is a conspiracy.
 
2006-12-20 01:19:01 PM
Headso: is asking them to put more air marshals or some civilian clothed fbi or cia or special forces guys on more flights too much to ask? is asking them to put them on even 1 domestic flight too much to ask?

Do you know for a fact that they didn't?

The air marshall program pre-9/11 was anemic, at best. Most people hadn't even heard of it, and there weren't enough marshalls to cover even a small fraction of the total domestic flights. It wasn't until after 9-11 that the program grew. Again, this may reflect poor planning (and if it does, it's a reflection on past administrations as much as on Bush's). But it in no way reflects collusion.
 
2006-12-20 01:19:25 PM
You know I could actually understand theories of foreknowlege of the event, and maybe even some kind of participation in getting the hijackers on to the planes, but how they heck do the wacko theories of pre-placed explosives and cruise missles come out? I mean the planes are on videos crashing into the buildings. What about all the cell phone calls by passengers to family members and 911? What about the people from the flights? Where are they? Were they in on it or just killed off by the government to add to the "cover story"?

The kicker is that if our government can't even keep secret that someone leaked a CIA agent's name how the hell could they keep something this big secret?
 
JJR
2006-12-20 01:19:45 PM
insanity rules here. they should just green light college pranks gone wrong all day.
 
2006-12-20 01:20:01 PM
As far as conspiracy theories go; the President of the United states couldn't get a blow job from a intern without the whole country knowing about it, but I'm to believe that at least dozens of people knew about the attack and did nothing about it in the name of personal gain, but everyone has kept quiet about it.
 
2006-12-20 01:20:27 PM
In Canada it would be 11/9 !

why is this shiat still such a big deal? Get over it! I hope the second steel columns go straight up America's fat ass.
 
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