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(NewYorkTimes)   Taxes leading many American citizens living abroad to give up citizenship. In other news: Citizens who renounced their passports for tax reasons are prohibited from visiting the United States   (tinyurl.com ) divider line
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2006-12-19 01:26:56 AM  
I will retire out of country, and probably won't come back, but there isn't any way I'd turn in my passport and renounce my citizenship.
 
2006-12-19 02:00:23 AM  
Anti-tax whiny biatches in 3.. 2..
 
2006-12-19 02:58:12 AM  
1..fark taxex.
 
2006-12-19 02:58:18 AM  
Or the irony police...
Which do you think will Weeners? any bets?
 
2006-12-19 02:58:49 AM  
...1.

Eliminate the Income Tax, and move toward a National Sales Tax.
 
2006-12-19 02:59:24 AM  
It's pretty stupid when your country makes you pay tax on money earned abroad, AND you live abroad, and have already paid tax to your host country. The US is one greedy motherfarker.

Boils down to "we own your ass, forever, and you owe tax on it too."
 
Esn
2006-12-19 02:59:44 AM  
The US taxes citizens who live abroad? That's farked up.
 
2006-12-19 03:00:05 AM  
well i just got owned
 
2006-12-19 03:00:10 AM  
Eliminate National Sales Tax and move toward no taxes.
 
2006-12-19 03:00:24 AM  
New York Times...

As reliable as Fox News for their integrity and insight.
 
2006-12-19 03:00:30 AM  
"Eliminate the Income Tax, and move toward a National Sales Tax."
Nothing beats a different kind of theft.
 
2006-12-19 03:00:35 AM  
...the United States, the only developed country that taxes it citizens while they live overseas.

Then why does the UK keep hounding my English husband to file his UK taxes when he's lived in the US for the last two years?
 
2006-12-19 03:01:09 AM  
Anti-Ironic enlighten people 3.. 2..
 
2006-12-19 03:01:50 AM  
Eliminate the Income Tax, and move toward a National Sales Tax.

No thanks.
 
2006-12-19 03:01:57 AM  
You must pay income taxes for ten years after renouncing your US citizenship.

We have our Berlin wall.

You may think you are free, but you are not.

The US government owns you and does not give up their property lightly.
 
2006-12-19 03:02:52 AM  
tmickpoi

At least without income tax, more people will be free to save & invest on their own - rather then just handing it over to Uncle Sam without any option.
 
2006-12-19 03:03:16 AM  
Hell, if I had to file taxes twice I would be dropping ya'll shiat eatin whiny fold over in a second bastards the first chance I got.
 
2006-12-19 03:03:30 AM  
FTA:
the United States, the only developed country that taxes it citizens while they live overseas.

See, even the French know that is stupid. Why is the US the only one doing it? If I go abroad, I'm just not gonna file. fark 'em.
 
2006-12-19 03:03:54 AM  
Okay, be cool farkers. If you earn money overseas, you can exclude a large amount, almost $100K, and not pay any US tax on that. Also, you can get a credit for almost any taxes you pay to a foreign country. Consider also the fact that if your arse gets nailed overseas, you still have a US passport and can return to the US. Or would you rather rely on the French passport?
 
2006-12-19 03:05:37 AM  
Sgt. Joe Heller, Irony Police.

I'm sorry sir, but your headline is not ironic. Can I see your license and registration please?
 
2006-12-19 03:06:50 AM  
Ten years? What're they gonna do, come suck it out of me?
 
2006-12-19 03:07:25 AM  
If you earn money overseas, you can exclude a large amount, almost $100K, and not pay any US tax on that.

Why yes, if you are poor they are not worried about bleeding you.

Never fear, only if you have something do they wish to take it.
 
2006-12-19 03:10:28 AM  
rockforever

You must really enjoy paying taxes then.

It's my educated opinion that you would have to be batshiat crazy to not support a National Sales Tax plan that replaces Income Tax after having been educated to understood all of what that would entail.

And P.S. - food would not be taxed & neither would low income households.
 
2006-12-19 03:10:57 AM  
I've been living abroad for five years, with dual citizenship, and hadn't even heard of my so called obligation to pay American taxes. I must be well below the IRS's income radar.
 
2006-12-19 03:11:12 AM  
Perhaps America will once and for all eradicate the average republican.
 
2006-12-19 03:11:23 AM  
feepness
Why yes, if you are poor they are not worried about bleeding you.

Never fear, only if you have something do they wish to take it.


Since when is $100k a year poor?
 
2006-12-19 03:11:48 AM  
OH NOES TAXES!!!!!

I wish i could go back to when Jesus was alive. At least they didn't have to pay the death tax!

Praise the Lord!!!
 
2006-12-19 03:11:50 AM  
Ten years? What're they gonna do, come suck it out of me?

Just not allow you back in the US again (ever)... but yeah, that's my plan too.
 
2006-12-19 03:12:08 AM  
feepness
You must pay income taxes for ten years after renouncing your US citizenship.


Sort of wrong. Only if you pass certain thresholds. Namely, if you have over $2 million in net worth or you pay over $120,000 in income tax for the last five years. Assuming you pass that, then you only pay taxes on money you earn from US sources, like interest, dividends, rent, etc. That's going to eliminate most working folks.
 
2006-12-19 03:12:30 AM  
Goverment works are the most brainless pieces of crap ever put on this planet.

I wouldn't mind paying taxes if it was spent wisely.

(i.e.: No Iraq wars, Gov.waste, $200 hammers, or yearly goverment raises, etc.. but noooooo)

I'm ALL FOR a flat tax for everyone. Fark goverment.
 
2006-12-19 03:12:32 AM  
Great Odins Raven

New York Times...

As reliable as More reliable and far more reputable than Fox News for their integrity and insight.


Fixed that for you.

/NY Post and Daily News are another story altogether.
 
2006-12-19 03:12:48 AM  
The amount that you will not be taxed on is $82K everything above that gets taxed. I am dealing with this right now. It sux and I don't feel that I should have to pay taxes especially since I am not in the states to take advantage of the national health care plans, or the educational benefits that my tax dollars goes to providing......
 
2006-12-19 03:13:07 AM  
"Goverment workers..."
 
2006-12-19 03:14:21 AM  
Since when is $100k a year poor?

Well, as long as they are rich... that makes it right that we tax people who have had no interaction with the US.
 
2006-12-19 03:15:25 AM  
I'm ALL FOR a flat tax for everyone. Fark goverment.

Fark flat taxes and the middle class. No taxes for all!
 
2006-12-19 03:15:26 AM  
JohnJacobJingleheimerSchmidt: Eliminate the Income Tax, and move toward a National Sales Tax.

Yes, I think we should lower taxes on the wealthy and raise them on everyone else, too. Because I'm a tool w/out an original thought in my head, too.
 
2006-12-19 03:15:27 AM  
Every dime of what you pay in taxes goes to pay the interest on the National Debt. Every dime.

The government makes almost all of the cash it actually uses from trade tariffs.
 
2006-12-19 03:16:07 AM  
Death of Rats
Then why does the UK keep hounding my English husband to file his UK taxes when he's lived in the US for the last two years?

I would figure that citizens of most countries have to file taxes every year, irregardless of their residency. So, your husband has to file UK tax returns, but his income is not taxable in the UK -- or course, if he meets the physical presence test -- which is another crying shame in the US compared to most countries -- like the UK.

/ US citizen abroad
// Hates rediculous US tax laws
/// Moving to UK soon
//// Goodbye to most of my income
// No, no tears...
 
2006-12-19 03:16:38 AM  
I live outside the United States and I have to pay taxes.

Miami is outside the United States right?

Feels like it sometimes.
 
2006-12-19 03:16:56 AM  

Sort of wrong. Only if you pass certain thresholds. Namely, if you have over $2 million in net worth or you pay over $120,000 in income tax for the last five years. Assuming you pass that, then you only pay taxes on money you earn from US sources, like interest, dividends, rent, etc. That's going to eliminate most working folks.


Nope. You are wrong. You have to pay taxes on all income. Just follow the link I gave or listen to the other people here!
 
2006-12-19 03:17:12 AM  
"A formal renunciation is not really a day at the park, it's emotional," Ms. Clarke says. "I would recommend to have someone there to stand by you to provide support and make sure all the paperwork is in order."



...Better start becoming fluent in Spanish, French, any other Latin-derived language. Paris is the shiat but I prefer Barcelona.
 
2006-12-19 03:17:52 AM  
You know what else is ironic? The Second City comedy troupe started in Chicago, and Chicago's nickname just happens to be "The Second City." Crazy, huh?
 
2006-12-19 03:18:16 AM  
It's only for people making over 82K per year. Up until that it's only state taxes that apply, which helps to be a resident of Nevada since there's no state income taxes.

If I live in Egypt, but the company's British, I don't pay Egyptian or British taxes at all, nor do I pay US taxes.

However, If i'm making 120K per year plus a housing stipend of 20K, I deserve to be taxed on it.

There are ways around this sort of stuff like any tax law.

/living tax free is sweet
 
2006-12-19 03:19:14 AM  
ComicBookGuy
Yes, I think we should lower taxes on the wealthy and raise them on everyone else, too. Because I'm a tool w/out an original thought in my head, too.

A national income tax would be beneficial in the fact that people with more money buy MORE things. Thus, the richer you are = the more you buy = the more tax you pay!

/ I can see you don't have an original thought in your head.
 
2006-12-19 03:19:52 AM  
JoeHeller,

Considering our country was founded on the principle of avoiding taxes, I'd say it deserves the Ironic tag.
 
2006-12-19 03:20:43 AM  
tmickpoi: Nothing beats a different kind of theft.

It isn't a theft due to the fact that you can see the crime in progress and choose to not be a part of it.
 
2006-12-19 03:21:26 AM  
ComicBookGuy

You have it all mixed up.

Right now, you probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% of your income in Federal & State income taxes - then another 7% or 8% in State & Local sales tax.

That's almost 40% of your income gone.

Under a National Sales Tax plan, you would keep 100% of what you earn, and pay about 20% in Sales Tax - but this does not include food & groceries - those items are tax exempt. Low income households would pay no taxes whatsoever.

And because Corporations never pay taxes (they just pass the cost of thier own taxes on to the consumer) the prices of taxable goods & services) would drop accordingly.
 
2006-12-19 03:21:52 AM  
feepness
Nope. You are wrong. You have to pay taxes on all income. Just follow the link I gave or listen to the other people here!


Bullshiat. Internal Revenue Code 877. Look it up. I gave you almost verbatim what it says.
 
2006-12-19 03:23:27 AM  
I worked in a taco bell overseas and they taxed my for a $2 bill some farker gave me.
 
2006-12-19 03:26:44 AM  
JohnJacobJingleheimerSchmidt: Under a National Sales Tax plan, you would keep 100% of what you earn, and pay about 20% in Sales Tax

Yeah, the Nation Sales Tax seems like a brilliant idea on the surface. Rich or poor you benefit. But I've gotta wonder how much it would cost the government in tax revenue and how they would plan to make it up.
 
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