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(Reuters)   Violent riots in Denmark, hundreds arrested. Religion Of Peace strikes again   (today.reuters.co.uk) divider line 159
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2006-12-17 04:58:23 PM  
I find it interesting that writers for Reuters UK do not understand (any more than their American counterparts) that even words that end in "-st" (in this case, "activist") need to have an "s" on the end in order to pluralize them. How some of these people get out of J-school is beyond me.

Oh, and your religion sucks (whatever it is). Bye now!
 
2006-12-17 04:59:04 PM  
Tatsuma Greed is the root cause of most war. Having more land, having more riches, having more power, it's greed that led to the vast majority of wars in history

Well, Greed and Jews


Damn, and I thought the problem was Sheiks and oil.

www.evilchili.com
 
2006-12-17 04:59:48 PM  
In other news, the Religion of Tolerance is still dropping napalm and white phosphorous on civilian populations in Iraq.
 
2006-12-17 05:00:05 PM  
pink freud:

Buy this book
 
2006-12-17 05:01:05 PM  
Oh, and the riots were about Ungdomshuset.

Yay, my neighborhood finally made it on Fark.
 
2006-12-17 05:01:19 PM  
just don't mess with the manufacture of the danish. i needs my coffee and danish.
 
2006-12-17 05:02:03 PM  
Another reason why I am Anti - Religion. shiat like this happens and brings misery to people.

/Cant we all just get along?
 
2006-12-17 05:02:36 PM  
Mr Sunshine: You tell me:

DAMN YOU!

DarkSoulNoHope:

Nah, the sharif just hate rockin'
 
2006-12-17 05:03:33 PM  
cowsspinach: Another reason why I am Anti - Religion. shiat like this happens and brings misery to people.

It obviously looks like you're also against:

- Reading the farking article
- Reading the farking thread
- Knowing what you're talking about

Hey, we all got our pet peeves
 
2006-12-17 05:04:54 PM  
The view of westerners about Buddhists pisses me off so much.

It's so insulting how they treat buddhists as "quaint", cute and cuddly, as if Buddhists would never hurt a fly


You're just jealous because they've got a better PR-department than you. ;P
 
2006-12-17 05:04:59 PM  
cowsspinach:
Another reason why I am Anti - Religion. shiat like this happens and brings misery to people.

Read the farking article, it's not about religion. It's about rebellious teenagers causing trouble as they are wont to do.

/for heavens gate, can't we all just get a bong?
 
2006-12-17 05:05:10 PM  

2006-12-17 04:49:19 PM Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Epsilon:

Oh, and for the record, you are 100% wrong.

Greed is the root cause of most war. Having more land, having more riches, having more power, it's greed that led to the vast majority of wars in history




Close. Every war that has ever been fought has been fought for money; specifically: the fight for scarce resources. Even the crusades, which were fought to open up the trade routes to Asia. Taking back the 'Holy Land' was the line used to sell the war to the peasantry that was needed to fight the war. You look in a history book and find a war, and that war was fought for money in one shape or another. The war in Iraq is no different.

It really helps to put things in their historical perspective. Looking at individual examples helps with this analysis.
 
2006-12-17 05:05:30 PM  
Tatsuma
Buy this book

Hmm, interesting. Will look into it.
 
2006-12-17 05:08:07 PM  
Goodfella:

No, there are still a few wars that were launched on an ideological basis and WWII is partly one of them. The Holocaust was the main driving point behind Hitler's conquering of Europe. He didn't nor couldn't support that much territory and even when he was losing, he considered it more important to send Jews to the camps than deploy troop and stop the bleeding

The 1948-1967-1973 wars against Israel are also ideological (see: genocidal) rather than economical
 
2006-12-17 05:08:42 PM  
cowsspinach: Another reason why I am Anti - Religion. shiat like this happens and brings misery to people.

Read the article, you'll find out who's doing this, despite what the submitter wants you to think. Alhamdulillah, no Muslims were involved in this one (I think) or at least it wasn't a reason for once *wipes head in relief*
 
2006-12-17 05:08:46 PM  
pink freud: Hmm, interesting. Will look into it.

Yeah, it is going to blow your mind. Changed my whole perspective on Buddhism and WII-era Japan
 
2006-12-17 05:08:55 PM  
The denizens of Ungdomshuset (the youth house) are the unfortunate bastard children of the democratic socialist tradition. A raggedy collection of moochers, slackers, and vandals, they've displayed a radical leftwing streak which has manifested itself into actual paint streaks across the doors and windows of local churches. So much for the "religion of peace" jibs then, some of our more flamboyant Fark posters would feel right at home.

The building was sold in a state auction to a Christian group, which has ordered the house to be evicted. This is the source of the conflict. You can read more about the House here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ungdomshuset
 
2006-12-17 05:09:02 PM  
pink freud: A bunch of squatters are pissed off because they're being kicked out. Nothing to do with muslims.


And thats the truth (Living less than 500 meters from where parts of it happend). Btw. becausew all the cops were called in, there were zero DUI controls on one of the biggest XM partynights in the whole year.

The lefties is a bunch of whiny spoiled kids who should have their ass kicked (for thrashing the whole neighbourhood), and the fundamental christian group who bought the kids house to evict them also deserves a heavy cockpunch for being generally annoying...

It was pretty serious clashes though descirbed by the police as a warzone with several injuries on both sides (Some leftist w4nker blow most his hand of (sucks to be slow with heavy firecrackers) + several cops in the hospital (one seriuos headinjury from getting a cobblestone in the head).

Oh, and incidentally parts our dear muslim immigrants also used the oppertunity to riot, apparantly since other people were (They do that a lot around here).

This will get really interesting/Ultra-violent within a month, when the cops have to throw them out of the building (which is like a fortress, the whole roof is just packed with stones and stuff).

Much more fun to come..
 
2006-12-17 05:11:17 PM  
Goodfella - his point ("Greed is the root cause of most war") was silly anyway - i would say that fear is an antecedent of greed, but tatsuma can draw a line under 'greed' and pretend that's that (and therefore, by extension, because religion is anti-greed, that religion isn't responsible for war). it's the sort of nonsense we've come to expect
 
2006-12-17 05:11:56 PM  
Tatsuma
The Holocaust was the main driving point behind Hitler's conquering of Europe.

I think Hitler had multiple motives at the outset of the war, but you are entirely correct in listing his fanatical ideology as a primary factor. And particularly as the Holocaust entered full swing it became THE sole motivating factor.
 
2006-12-17 05:12:31 PM  
Tatsuma
Actually, some pretty violent and horrendous things were made in the name of Buddhism.

Done by Buhhdists or for Buhhdism?

There is a difference...
 
2006-12-17 05:13:24 PM  
Mr Sunshine: I think Hitler had multiple motives at the outset of the war, but you are entirely correct in listing his fanatical ideology as a primary factor. And particularly as the Holocaust entered full swing it became THE sole motivating factor.

Oh sure, but when he saw he was actually getting away with it, it became his sole motivating factor indeed.

I do think he wanted mostly to take back what he saw as the real germanic territory but seeing how it was so easy, he continued and eventually descended into total megalomania.

Had he not attacked Russia then, the whole world would be different today
 
2006-12-17 05:14:14 PM  
shtychkn: Done by Buhhdists or for Buhhdism?

Done by
 
2006-12-17 05:15:35 PM  
Tatsuma: Had he not attacked Russia then, the whole world would be different today


+ had the Japs not attacked Pearl Harbor, it would be even more diffrent...

/I'd be writing from within the old USSR...
 
2006-12-17 05:18:03 PM  
Tatsuma


shtychkn: Done by Buhhdists or for Buhhdism?

Done by


Yeah... Buhhdists are still Human... Humans do acts of violence...


But as a religion.. I dont think Buhhdists have commited actions of violence for buhhdism..


Where as many other religions, not limited to the offsprings of Abraham, have done acts of violence for their religion.
 
2006-12-17 05:18:51 PM  
cowsspinach Another reason why I am Anti - Religion.

I understand what you're saying, but I think that if you'll add up all the people that Hitler killed, and Stalin killed, and Mao killed, you'll find that atheism has been responsible for MORE deaths than any religion.

For example, Stalin alone killed 20,000,000 people.

"But wait! But wait! What about the inquisition??" you're probably thinking. Well guess what. The inquisition resulted in about 5000.

Bottom line, atheism is around one thousand times more deadly than any religion (except maybe islam).

Hate to break it to you.
 
2006-12-17 05:19:00 PM  
shtychkn: But as a religion.. I dont think Buhhdists have commited actions of violence for buhhdism..

Yes, they did. They did often and a lot. Read the book I linked to.
 
2006-12-17 05:21:38 PM  
shtychkn

But as a religion.. I dont think Buhhdists have commited actions of violence for buhhdism..

Supporters of the Dorje Shugden diety would beg to differ:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorje_Shugden_Controversy
 
2006-12-17 05:22:02 PM  
Tatsuma

I will...

Unliek other religions where they are open to interpretation that allows for killing.. I dont see how Buhhdism can be interpreted in such a way that a follower would use Buhhdism to oppresss and as a reason to kill another...
 
2006-12-17 05:23:53 PM  
shtychkn: Unliek other religions where they are open to interpretation that allows for killing.. I dont see how Buhhdism can be interpreted in such a way that a follower would use Buhhdism to oppresss and as a reason to kill another...

Oh, they did it, and for centuries.
 
2006-12-17 05:26:01 PM  
Anyone watch "Children of Men".

Makes you wonder.
 
2006-12-17 05:27:16 PM  
2006-12-17 05:08:07 PM Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Goodfella:

No, there are still a few wars that were launched on an ideological basis and WWII is partly one of them. The Holocaust was the main driving point behind Hitler's conquering of Europe. He didn't nor couldn't support that much territory and even when he was losing, he considered it more important to send Jews to the camps than deploy troop and stop the bleeding

The 1948-1967-1973 wars against Israel are also ideological (see: genocidal) rather than economical



Wrong. WWII was started to create 'lebensraum', specifically, to take the vast natural resources (mainly oil) of the Caucasus in Russia. Russia was always the main target of Hitler's offensive. And just like WWI, the German plan was to knock the western allies (France & UK) out so they could turn their real attention to the East- Russia. Anti-semitism was mainly a method to mobilize his people (you have to have a scapegoat when preparing your nation for war). Not that I think Hitler was lying about his irrational hatred of the Jews- he really believe what he was saying. But it was just a tool to acheive Germany's main political and strategic objectives. Both Germany and Japan ended up loosing the war because they ran out of black gold to run their war machines and infrastructure. See also how the Germans lost the Battle of the Bulge.


The war against Israel was also fought to acquire land. In a region so poor in resources (water & agriculture), you will see these struggles for land even more often- each piece of land gives its people less to live off of than a resource-rich region. This is why we have always seen so many wars in and around Palestine/Israel. Wars for water rights, etc. We still see this to this day in that region.

Religion and ideology are just methods to motivate the annoying masses to join the fight. This is the case for all wars. Follow the money.
 
2006-12-17 05:28:01 PM  
shtychkn
I dont see how Buhhdism can be interpreted in such a way that a follower would use Buhhdism to oppresss and as a reason to kill another...

"It is thus the very force of compassion which wields the sword: a true warrior kills out of love, like parents who hit their children out of love, to educate them and make them happy in the long term." cited in The Puppet and the Dwarf by Slavoj Zizek, pg. 16. I'd give you the name of the guy quoted, but Amazon will only let me search inside the book so much without buying it; and my library's copy is checked out.
 
2006-12-17 05:28:55 PM  
Pic to save the thread from the Buddhism threadjack...:

ekstrabladet.dk
 
2006-12-17 05:29:57 PM  
jakech
In Copehagen, they charge £7 (approx $12) for a beer. No wonder people are pissed off.


Dansker You are a damn dirty liar. Why do you lie like that, liar?

Look, he probably kept giving the bartender British Pounds until the guy stopped gabbling his crazy moonspeak. It took seven of them, apparently.

/Wait, that was Danish?
 
2006-12-17 05:30:03 PM  
Just gas the whole building. That gets rid of lice, roaches, rats, and leftists.
 
2006-12-17 05:31:01 PM  
Sometime I dislike Buhhdism...

Normally when I think of Buhhdism, I think of them as Non-Thiests... Along the lines of Theravada Buddhists... Where Buhhda was a Mortal Man.. Different then regular men.. but a mortal man...

Then you have so many off shoots where Buhhda is turned int oa deity and the other shamanistic religions of the area adaprted thier spirtual beliefs and mixed it in with them...

So I must concede any point I was trying to make... Man as ruined Buhhdism too.. hehe...
 
2006-12-17 05:31:13 PM  
Goodfella: Anti-semitism was mainly a method to mobilize his people (you have to have a scapegoat when preparing your nation for war). Not that I think Hitler was lying about his irrational hatred of the Jews- he really believe what he was saying. But it was just a tool to acheive Germany's main political and strategic objectives.

Oh absolutely not. The Holocaust was one of the main purpose and became the sole purpose of Hitler's attacks

Even while losing the war, he preferred to send Jews to camps than troops to the front. Even when he killed himself, his last words were "kill the Jews"

The war against Israel was also fought to acquire land. In a region so poor in resources (water & agriculture), you will see these struggles for land even more often- each piece of land gives its people less to live off of than a resource-rich region. This is why we have always seen so many wars in and around Palestine/Israel. Wars for water rights, etc. We still see this to this day in that region.

And you're wrong again. In 1948 Israel was mostly a barren land. The Arabs made it PERFECTLY clear they were there to kill the Jews and not take over the land.
 
2006-12-17 05:32:17 PM  
Dansker: You are a damn dirty liar. Why do you lie like that, liar?

Yes, I'd like to know to, a beer in an expensive bar is max 6-7 bucks, normal places its roughly no more than 3-4 $

/liar liar panths on fire
 
2006-12-17 05:33:20 PM  
Tatsuma

his last words were "kill the Jews"


And where do you get this qoute from? I did not know there were survivors that watched him kill himself...
 
2006-12-17 05:33:33 PM  
Goodfella
Anti-semitism was mainly a method to mobilize his people (you have to have a scapegoat when preparing your nation for war).


Not entirely accurate. The scapegoat phenomenon only partially explains the antisemitism of Hitler. Furthermore, it downplays the fact that the antisemitism failed to be a sufficient driving force to mobilize the people: other Nazi officials downplayed Hitler's rabid hatred of Jews. Furthermore, as Lucy Dawidowicz and others have argued, Hitler's personal obsession with the Jews was at least as much a motivator as everything else. But like all historical events, nothing can boil down to one cause. You do overlook an important element, though:

But it was just a tool to acheive Germany's main political and strategic objectives

Wrong. Flat-out wrong. Antisemitism had some utility before the war, true. But the Holocaust itself NEVER was a means; the destruction of the Jews, once begun, was an end in and of itself. Even as the Russians were advancing, and Eichmann had to decide between shipping troops and supplies to the front or sending more Jews to Auschwitz, he unhesitatingly chose to kill as many Jews as possible before the Russians stopped them.
 
2006-12-17 05:34:27 PM  
Tatsuma: Oh absolutely not. The Holocaust was one of the main purpose and became the sole purpose of Hitler's attacks


Nonsense.. Jews where (as already pointed out the scapegoats), earlyer in his carrer it was the reds.
 
2006-12-17 05:35:58 PM  
Glad I RTFA before posting. Here I was all ready to launch into a spirited argument against Islamophobes of all stripes. Turns out it's hippies.

Good jorb, submitter. It helps to poke holes in all of us, those who assume Muslims are behind all violence, and those of us who can be too sensitive to the "Religion of Peace" insult.
 
2006-12-17 05:38:39 PM  
shtychkn: And where do you get this qoute from? I did not know there were survivors that watched him kill himself...

And where do you get this qoute from? I did not know there were survivors that watched him kill himself...


Above all, I charge the leadership of the nation and their followers with the strict observance of the racial laws and with merciless resistance against the universal poisoners of all peoples, international Jewry.

Given in Berlin, 29th April 1945, 4:00 a.m.
signed: A. Hitler

Prohest: Nonsense.. Jews where (as already pointed out the scapegoats), earlyer in his carrer it was the reds.

You're completely wrong. They were not scapegoats, they were Hitler's main goal
 
2006-12-17 05:41:34 PM  
Tatsuma

I'm sure he said something after writing that :-)
 
2006-12-17 05:42:59 PM  
shtychkn: I'm sure he said something after writing that :-)

... these were his last words to the world.
 
2006-12-17 05:43:24 PM  
Goodfella - yup, i think you're right about the expansion east. the first world war is often described as the first war of the industrial age (though some cite the america civil war, too). it could have gone either way, had there been any industrial-age general to win it. there weren't, so it just turned into a blood bath - the germans were expecting a summer war and to be home in time for harvest! i think that in the aftermath it became clear that the means were still there (industrialization was still continuing apace) and hitler knew that if he could get the right generals to utilize the machinery he could turn germany into the dominant world power fairly easily. germany certainly considered itself the intellectually and culturally dominant nation. next door, russia had gone red and was attempting to create a socialist revolution in germany too, so germany was at real threat from that - i imagine americans wouldn't have been too happy if a similar event occurred on their doorstep either! of course, the other main reason for the desire to take russia was halford j mackinder's dominant heartland theory wrt to global gostrategy - that posited that whoever controlled the heartland, russia, controlled the world. hitler's long-time confidente, hess, was a mackinder nut. but, i know how tatsuma likes to make things up, so what can ya do?
 
2006-12-17 05:44:25 PM  
Tatsuma: You're completely wrong. They were not scapegoats, they were Hitler's main goal


Thats funny, cause in Denmark + Norway he dident touch the jews for several years. He was out for world domination, hated jews & socialists.

Jews where described as the reason for Germanys fall from grace, owning large parts og banks & industry. Holocaust was not his primary objective, never were.
 
2006-12-17 05:44:58 PM  
Mr Sunshine: Lucy Dawidowicz

Shout out there, she's a brilliant historian, I've got some of her books
 
2006-12-17 05:45:14 PM  
How did this turn into a holocaust discussion??

Am I the only one here looking forward to a good old-fashioned youtube video of a couple hundred slacker violent druggie useless vandal liberals getting tazed batonned and thrown in prison?
 
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