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2006-12-15 01:58:33 AM
czarangelus: Cut out $60 million dollar golden parachutes and distribute it amongst 100,000 employees. You don't think that's a significant difference to people making $12 an hour scrubbing your damn toilet?

That's six hundred dollars per person. Spread that out over the (minimum) of five or so years, and yes, that makes very little difference. Something on the order of a few pennies per hour.

Besides, you still haven't given me a dollar amount for what the minimum wage should be.
 
2006-12-15 01:58:53 AM
czarangelus

Sleep well!
 
2006-12-15 01:59:33 AM
bbcrackMonkey

Dude, Muslims CLAIM Abraham as one of their prophets, just like they claim Jesus was one of their prophets and call him Isa. Does that mean Jesus was a Muslim?

Also, Just because you went to Catholic school doesn't make Jesus a Christian.

Islam is a ripoff of Christianity, Judaism, and pre-Mohammed paganism. Man-oh-man, you really need to read up on this stuff. I didn't know how little you really knew about the subject, are you still in high-school? In my college they make you take a "Comparative Study of Religions" class so you don't get embarrassed by this kind of crap when you bring it up.

Right.... you threw in Judaism and pre-Muhammad paganism just to make your argument seem neutral. I think we both have more information about Christianity than we do about Islam since we assume that religions are chronological rip offs of each other. I don't know why you are accusing me of not knowing what i am talking about just because I am providing you with a much forgotten insight as to why Palestinians think believe Israel is rightfully theirs. What I am trying to point out here is that the price of comprise is heavy sentimental values for both sides.
 
2006-12-15 01:59:46 AM
BrotherAlpha: Hate speach = Terrorism.

Who gets to decide what hate speech is?

That's a very, very, very slippery slope.
 
2006-12-15 02:01:40 AM
Errr.. the second para is not mine :

bbcrackMonkey
Islam is a ripoff of Christianity, Judaism, and pre-Mohammed paganism. Man-oh-man, you really need to read up on this stuff. I didn't know how little you really knew about the subject, are you still in high-school? In my college they make you take a "Comparative Study of Religions" class so you don't get embarrassed by this kind of crap when you bring it up.

Right.... you threw in Judaism and pre-Muhammad paganism just to make your argument seem neutral. I think we both have more information about Christianity than we do about Islam since we assume that religions are chronological rip offs of each other. I don't know why you are accusing me of not knowing what i am talking about just because I am providing you with a much forgotten insight as to why Palestinians think believe Israel is rightfully theirs. What I am trying to point out here is that the price of comprise is heavy sentimental values for both sides.

/
 
2006-12-15 02:02:00 AM
Kant1:
Classical microeconomic theory clearly shows why the minimum wage causes unemployment. If someone is willing to work for $4/hour they can't, it'll be illegal. If they can't create $5.15 of productivity per hour, then they will not be hired, and therefore unemployed.

On the flip side, if you have two people who can create $5.15 of productivity per hour but one is late on the rent and is willing to take $4 per hour because they are desparate, then the wages as a whole drop.

In addition, because he took a lower wage, he can not save up and better his life. There's no way to save money when you are living paycheck to paycheck.

On the other hand, if he was making $5.15 and hour, he could spend more on other goods, thereby helping stimulate the economy and create more jobs so both men could work.
 
2006-12-15 02:02:55 AM
BrotherAlpha
Hate speach = Terrorism.

Those are both very relative terms. One man's Terrorist is another man's Freedom Fighter and one man's Hate Speech is another man's 700 Club.
 
2006-12-15 02:04:41 AM
czarangelus

British Mandate of Palestine. You try to play farking semantic word games to try to get away from the fact that these people existed, and were driven off their land to make room for the Israeli state. You can talk to me about Israel being in danger of being destroyed when we hear of "illegal Arab settlement" in Tel Aviv.

It's truly amazing how many folks get up in arms about countries and borders, rather than people. In fact, when people get obsessed with nation-labels, its a pretty good sign that the actual people involved are getting screwed. If people hadn't been driven off of Palestine to make room for the UN-created state of Israel, then the entire issue of "right-of-return" would not exist. Besides, why should any country, Israel or otherwise, have an inherent right to exist? Doesn't the existence of any nation-state derive its very legitimacy from how it treats all of its citizens? In this case, Israel certainly has not been at the forefront of world nations. Especially given how bad Arab Israelis have been treated. Arab members of the Knesset regularly talk about being treated as second-class citizens, and there have been recent government proposals to strip Arab Israelis of their very citizenship. Hardly sounds like a country with an inherent moral right to exist to me. Even if it has such a right, there is never a right to excessive and disproportionate foreign aid from the U.S. for any country.

While I vehemently disagree on many things with Dr. Ahmadinejad, he does have a point. If the Shoah happened in Europe and especially Germany (which it did) then why wasn't Israel carved out of Europe? Why didn't Europe itself make the sacrifice of land and safety in perpetuity it certainly owed Jews everywhere? Why did they pass the buck to the Middle East? I have yet to hear satisfactory answers to these questions. Even early Zionists did not always insist on the Middle East. Both Argentina and Uganda were serious proposals among Herzl-era Zionists.
 
2006-12-15 02:07:19 AM
BrotherAlpha:
Hate speach = Terrorism.

Churchill2004:
Who gets to decide what hate speech is?
That's a very, very, very slippery slope.


There's a reason why slippery slope is called a logical fallacy.
 
2006-12-15 02:09:09 AM
bbcrackMonkey

Islam is a ripoff of Christianity, Judaism, and pre-Mohammed paganism.

All religions are indebted to their intellectual, social, cultural, and economic contexts. By your standards, the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights is little more than a ripoff of Great Britain's 1689 An Act Declaring the Rights and Liberties of the Subject and Settling the Succession of the Crown. Doesn't make the U.S. Bill of Rights any less true or valid, does it?
 
2006-12-15 02:09:15 AM
Somacandra:
Doesn't the existence of any nation-state derive its very legitimacy from how it treats all of its citizens? In this case, Israel certainly has not been at the forefront of world nations. Especially given how bad Arab Israelis have been treated.

Arabs living in Israel have more rights than Arabs living in just about any other nation in the Middle East.
 
2006-12-15 02:10:09 AM
www.uptownchamber.com

/why does a duck need a lobbyist?
 
2006-12-15 02:10:35 AM
KlumTheFark

By saying that one religion is a rip-off of another you are denying any development between them. It could very well be that there are no new ideas under sun, only new ways of looking at the same thing. Another way to say "rip off" is "evolve". Islam evolved from Judaism and Christianity and animism and Zoastrinarianism and a ton of other traditions. Arabia had many connections with other traditions ,you can't deny their influence but saying that it is ripped off is kind of immature.

If you ask a Muslim they would say that Islam did not derive from Judaism or Christianity. They would say that the revealed Truth of the Quran was the untainted message that Judaism and Christianity were supposed to convey before they were corrupted by human action. But that's the general Muslim POV
 
2006-12-15 02:11:20 AM
BrotherAlpha: There's a reason why slippery slope is called a logical fallacy.


There's nothing illogical here. "Hate speech" is nothing more than a term for the minority views that the majority finds most outrageous.

For example, recently the Belgian government ordered the disbanding of an entire political party, and a fairly large one at that, because it advocated "xenophobia". Their crime they were accused of? They were opposed to the massive influx of immigrants. Their real crime? They were a Flemish independece party, and the government didn't like that.
 
2006-12-15 02:11:50 AM
BoozePenguin: You need to provide sources, without them you're just spewing bullshiat.


Ok. My source is personal experience, sure, not a credible source, or definative in any way, but dont underestimate the power of it. This particular jewish stereotype (greed) is based in the personal experience of many people throughout time. I believe this stereotype exists due to Jews segregating themselves from society.

Note the use of the word stereotype. It clearly states that I do not believe this to be true of all jews.

Now lets move on to Islam. They are currently having to deal with the stereotype of being terrorists. This is based on the powerful personal experience of witnessing 9/11 live on TV. It is not definitive, it is not true of all muslims.

What are we asking Islam to do? Become more moderate. Which I think is a good thing.

Now back to the jews. Not all jews segregate themselves, it is generally the more religious ones that do.

So what I am saying, is that we should also be asking Judaeism to become more moderate, in the sense they drop all the "chosen people" stuff, as well as allow people to join their faith regardless of race or background, and be allowed to marry outside the faith.

What is wrong with that?
 
2006-12-15 02:13:19 AM
BrotherAlpha

Arabs living in Israel have more rights than Arabs living in just about any other nation in the Middle East.

1) Hint: Damning with Faint Praise, as you have done, is the dumbest retort ever. That logic merely means that none of the other countries have a "right to exist" either.

2) And I don't recall any other Middle Eastern contries threatening to strip all local Arabs of their citizenship.

3) Both Turkey and Lebanon in particular would like a word with you.
 
2006-12-15 02:13:43 AM
evajyna:
You try to sound informed but you fail. Which ten years are you talking about? The years when the McMahon/ Hussein correspondence was attempting to establish an Arab state while the British zionists were already lobbying to establish a Jewish home in Palestine? Or are you talking about when Palestine was still under Ottoman/ Turkish control? Make sense of yourself.

1948 Israel is created and immediately attacked. In the aftermath Gaza Strip is controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. In all of that time, they never form an independent Palestine.

The worst you can say about Israel is they treated the Palestians as badly as their fellow Arabs have.
 
2006-12-15 02:15:04 AM
It will be quite the day when Farkers have some actual knowledge of Middle Eastern history in these threads, rather than trite sloganeering.
 
2006-12-15 02:15:49 AM
Churchill2004:
There's nothing illogical here. "Hate speech" is nothing more than a term for the minority views that the majority finds most outrageous.

You know what, I have a stunning feeling that you've done no research into the matter and and just spouting off what you believe. Unless you can prove me wrong, I.E. show you know what you are talking about, there's no reason for me to debate you.
 
2006-12-15 02:15:55 AM
Party Boy


I'm not a frequent poster, but I know it is rude to make an assumption about how much research another person has done. I've spent many months and many hours of my free time studying the nature of what I posted about.

That being said, I have to admit all of my research has been about the state of Israel since the holocaust, from when Israel was actually recognized.

Of course, even those who are very well versed, having spent years on the subject, realize that the more you learn, the more you don't actually know.

I'll go back to my research and investigate the Jewish diversity in the land of Israel pre-WW2. Any reading recommendations?

 
2006-12-15 02:16:16 AM
He's totally off his rocker if he thinks that Muslim countries everywhere are not interested in totally destroying the US as well as Israel. The only thing that's preventing them from doing so is our military and political clout (meaning who we give our money to), and if we dumped Israel right now, we would without a doubt be next just as soon as the Muslim world finished fighting over what's left of Israel. That of course assumes Israel wouldn't just beat the total living crap out of all them, which it could easily do with or without our help if it didn't have to worry about minimizing civilian casualties. If it went to total war, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Israel's targets.

The conference on the Holocaust was just an excuse to trash Jews. Whether or not the Holocaust was on the scale given in the history books doesn't matter a whole lot - Germany did hunt down and kill as many of the Jews as they could, and the Islamic world is devoted to slaying or forcibly converting all non-Muslims, including both Jews and Christians. The Holocaust conference was a ploy to distract everyone from the fact that Iran is expanding their nuclear program as fast as possible, and Iran is run by terrorists that want to kill us. I don't think it's a good idea for the US to attack Iran at this time, but I sure as heck would be willing to support Israel doing so any time they feel like it. Iran is an immediate and dangerous threat.

Given, I don't think people who question the Holocaust deserve to be jailed. You should have the right to be a nut, so long as everyone else has the right to flame you in response.
 
2006-12-15 02:16:49 AM
BrotherAlpha

Stop, just stop.The fact that you think that you are so right and informed on the ME gives me chuckles but they're bittersweet. You have yet to answer me on any of my questions, come on man if you know so much then clarify your vague/ FOX News addled thoughts.
 
2006-12-15 02:17:14 AM
BrotherAlpha: You know what, I have a stunning feeling that you've done no research into the matter and and just spouting off what you believe. Unless you can prove me wrong, I.E. show you know what you are talking about, there's no reason for me to debate you.

Of course I'm just spouting off what I belive that's what we're all doing here. I don't need to do any research to know that banning "hate speech" is a bad idea.
 
2006-12-15 02:20:00 AM
BrotherAlpha: The worst you can say about Israel is they treated the Palestians as badly as their fellow Arabs have.


Not "as badly", worse. Israel kicked them out of their homes.
 
2006-12-15 02:21:12 AM
czarangelus, tats:

txforestservice.tamu.edu
this is AF. go DI it.
 
2006-12-15 02:22:09 AM
Churchill2004

I don't think people who are raising kids should be employed as janitors to begin with. Some jobs are meant for people who support only themselves.

"Janitor" is not a class. I said if they want to raise a family, they should get a better job, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so.


What did you mean by some jobs then? You effectively meant any job that pays similar to a janitor. That's pretty much a class. ie. unskilled labour.

I said if they want to raise a family, they should get a better job, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so.

You are somewhat right on an individual level. You fail to grasp that not *everyone* can have a better job. The supply of higher paying jobs is just not there. We need millions of unskilled laborers and many times less engineers and doctors etc.

Capitalism is great for setting prices and regulating supply/demand, but it is totally unconcerned (like some farkers) about whether those at the bottom of the system have enough money to survive. That's why we have a minimum wage and it's here to stay no matter how many morons whine about it. Without it, there would be riots, mass starvation/homelessness and possibly some sort of revolution like has happened before.

You should be thankful that that uneducated masses are placated enough to not feel inclined to throw rocks through your windows or rob your ass when they get hungry.
 
2006-12-15 02:23:39 AM
Somacandra:
1) Hint: Damning with Faint Praise, as you have done, is the dumbest retort ever. That logic merely means that none of the other countries have a "right to exist" either.

I never said that. You are the one that said the right to exist depends on how they treat their citizens. If that means other countries lose their "right to exist" then that is the result of your pathetic argument and has nothing to do with me.

2) And I don't recall any other Middle Eastern contries threatening to strip all local Arabs of their citizenship.

Do some research in the matter. How many places in the ME do people get to vote in meaningful elections? Check out the oppressive religous laws in Saudi Arabia.

3) Both Turkey and Lebanon in particular would like a word with you.

http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html

Israel ranks 54th.
Turkey ranks 84th.
Lebanon ranks 105th.
 
2006-12-15 02:25:28 AM
evajyna:
Stop, just stop.The fact that you think that you are so right and informed on the ME gives me chuckles but they're bittersweet. You have yet to answer me on any of my questions,

You asked what timeframe I meant. I answered you. The fact that you responded with nothing more than an insult is an admission of defeat.
 
2006-12-15 02:26:43 AM
but really, czar,

Actually, the conference is a mockery of Western "free speech" values. They invited a man to speak who was imprisoned in Europe just because he published a book. Sure, it was a stupid, anti-semitic book. But nonetheless, they've done a good job of demonstrating the West's hypocrisy.

the "west"? bullshiat, and you know it. there's a blatant difference between how the US deals with holocaust denial (let perpetrators spread their silliness in the court of public opinion, then get pwnt) and how old axis-property europe deals with it (jail). it's a big difference fueled by history. to lump all that shiat together and chalk it all up to hypocrisy is moronic.

and concerning hypocrisy, i'm going to hold a conference in tehran about whether or not muhammad raped little girls. i'm sure the local authorities will give me the opportunity to express my free speech. because, y'know, that's what this whole thing is about, right?

(dipshiat.)

(fark you.)
 
2006-12-15 02:28:24 AM
BrotherAlpha:
The worst you can say about Israel is they treated the Palestians as badly as their fellow Arabs have.

consdubya
Not "as badly", worse. Israel kicked them out of their homes.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/03/15/saudia3801.htm

Arabs living in Israel get to participate in a secular democracy. That's nearly unique in the Middle East. That alone puts them ahead of most other nations.
 
2006-12-15 02:32:15 AM
For the people that keep mentioned Byrd, lets point out something things:

While Byrd was a member of the Klan, and eventually attained the rank of Officer, or Grand Cyclops, he never progressed further than that, and since then, his attitude has obviously mellowed or he wouldn't be a Democrat, given the issues they support. Hell, in the 1970's, Byrd apologized for all the racist remarks he made in the past, and since then, been given a 100% Approval Rating by the NAACP. Lets also not forget that Robert Byrd is a FOSSIL, he's 89 years-old! Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond were both born in roughly the same time peroid, and they were racist bastards too!

Meanwhile, David Duke (who was born in 1950) FOUNDED the Louisana Knights of the Klu Klux Klan, he wasn't a petty member, he was a LEADER, hell he was the head of the huge klan movement to modernize the Klan nationwide...he's continues his racist beliefs (though he doesn't say he's racist, no, a a 'racial realist') he publishes books about it.
 
2006-12-15 02:32:27 AM
Our one sided and expensive relationship with Irael/Arabs does need a reassessment. The same applies to the Royal families. They're all "shiatty little countries".

I'm sick of paying, defending, selling out our ideals for Western Oil companies and political expediency.

It's all expense, no benefits. Arabs and Jews. I'm sick of them all and their never ending hatefests. It's their Zionist dream, I didn't vote for it no do I really care.

And AIPAC does sucks. I've never heard one justified reason how any foreign country has a right to lobby and essentially bribe another sovereign country's body politic for taxpayer's largesse and and claim it to be beneficial or healthy. Would Israel allow such pressure in their Knesset. I seriously doubt it.

Hint: they'll sell us the oil no matter.

And locking people up for speech under any pretense is fascism pure and simple. Ban them from your countries but prison for an 81 year old historian with "unofficial" views is more dangerous than what they profess. Fight all Hate Laws. You either have the First Amendment or you have something else.

/rant
 
2006-12-15 02:33:01 AM
I do not admit defeat, I admit to slow typing that is all. So you claim that the Palestinians should have accepted the un-fair UN proposal for a Palestinian State? That the Arabs should have accepted significantly less land for a greater population? That would be like me stealing $10,000 from you and then later on offering $3,000 back to you as a deal.

How was the Palestinian state in 1948 going to be developed in Jordan and Egypt? Both countries were generally screwed after the 1948 war and Jordan decided to make friends with Israel. Do you remember who won that war? It wasn't the Arab states I can tell you that much!
 
2006-12-15 02:34:37 AM
BrotherAlpha: 1948 Israel is created and immediately attacked. In the aftermath Gaza Strip is controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. In all of that time, they never form an independent Palestine.


Yup. The arabs are a disorganised rabble. That dosent mean they dont have a right to their homes.

Also, why is everything pre-1948 completely irrelevant? Did that time dissapear into a black hole? How dosent it affect the entire situation?
 
2006-12-15 02:36:55 AM
NewtLover
Me: Well, first you need to took before WWII

How much reading do you want to do? Even a cursory glance might take you longer than you expect.

/mid east amateur

You: I'm not a frequent poster, but I know it is rude to make an assumption about how much research another person has done. I've spent many months and many hours of my free time studying the nature of what I posted about.

That being said, I have to admit all of my research has been about the state of Israel since the holocaust, from when Israel was actually recognized.

Of course, even those who are very well versed, having spent years on the subject, realize that the more you learn, the more you don't actually know.

I'll go back to my research and investigate the Jewish diversity in the land of Israel pre-WW2. Any reading recommendations?


Didnt mean any of that to come off as rude. I'm an amateur at this, as my post states. This area is nowhere near my field of study. However I've recently read a number of articles, books on the subject. Interestingly, many good sources are available online and for free!

If I were to recommend somethng online, it would be some of the UN and relevant primary texts on the issue. Easier to find this freely online than academic works.

Link
The Origins and Evolution
of the Palestine Problem:
1917-1988


PART I

1917-1947


Link
The Middle East 1916 - 2001 : A Documentary Record

LinkAnglo-American Committee of Inquiry 1946

UN
 
2006-12-15 02:39:15 AM
This has only been said 5 times in this post and I feel it bears repeating.
David Duke should DIAF.
That is all.
 
2006-12-15 02:39:19 AM
Funny thing nobody mentions, after the 1948 Israeli war, Israel annexes much of Palestine, the rest of Palestine? Oh, that was annexed too, by Eygpt, Syria and Jordan, who then refused to let the Palestinians from making their own government...whoops.
 
2006-12-15 02:41:02 AM
evajyna

Thank you for a good post. I was merely pointing out why the Palestinians strongly believe the land belongs to them. The right to religious beliefs and the freedom to not ascribe to any, both are inviolable. I guess I hit BbcrackMonkey's troll nerve trying to point it out and he switched to Christian warrior mode.

Cheers.
 
2006-12-15 02:41:50 AM
NewtLover
Hope that helps some

/off to sleep
 
2006-12-15 02:43:27 AM
The Israelies won that dammed war! I don't understand how someone can think that if the Palestinians couldn't set up a government before 1948 that they could have possibly done so directly after the 48 war. I'm sure the newly established government of Jordan had a wonderful time absorbing all of the newly displaced refugees and sure why not, let's set up an EVEN SMALLER Palestinian state than what was proposed in 47! It all makes logical sense doesn't it
 
2006-12-15 02:43:38 AM
FYI,

I will post again, w/o reading the thread, Israel occupies 1/5 of the land mass of Ohio, and has 1/2 of the population. Why all the news?

/loves me some jewish bush...
//questions greatly US aid to Israel
///we do have perm. bases in Iraq now right?
 
2006-12-15 02:45:40 AM
So an American, a Palestinian, and an Israeli are hanging out, and one of them comes across a genie bottle. The genie comes out and states that they have three wishes, one for each.

The Israeli stands tall, and proudly states that he wants all of his people back to their rightful land, Israel, and he wants a 30 foot wall put up around it to keep the Palestinians out.

POOF! Done!

The Palestinian jumps up, pulls back his shoulders and exclaims that he too wants all of his people back to their rightful land, Palestine, and he wants a 30 foot wall put up around it to keep the Israelis out.

POOF! Done!

The genie looks at the American, who is shooting him a sly grin. "What is your wish, my master?"

"Well, I guess you can go ahead and fill em both with water."

/old joke
//not partial of either party

www.jai-pal.org = www.tampabayprimer.org
 
C-J
2006-12-15 02:46:57 AM
Party Boy

You may very well be my new favorite farker.

Thank you for reminding me there is hope for Fark-kind; especially after roughly 600 posts filled with idiotic, sometimes racist, self-rightious comments which are less about valid argument and more about who has the bigger e-cock.
 
2006-12-15 02:47:31 AM
Just dropped in to say that if you do a word search for my name, you can read my argument proving that the founding of Israel in 1948 violated Jewish law. The argument was made and overcame everyone's objections, including Tatsuma's.

My first book on Jewish law is forthcoming.
 
2006-12-15 02:51:13 AM
BrotherAlpha:
1948 Israel is created and immediately attacked. In the aftermath Gaza Strip is controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. In all of that time, they never form an independent Palestine.

consdubya:
Yup. The arabs are a disorganised rabble. That dosent mean they dont have a right to their homes.

Disorganized? You'd be hard pressed to find any evidence they even attempted to become a nation. The problem is, a lot of people claim HAMAS are attacking Israel in order to free their people and become a nation. However, when given that chance, they didn't bother. So it seems more likely that HAMAS are terrorists trying to kill all the Jews.

consdubya:
Also, why is everything pre-1948 completely irrelevant? Did that time dissapear into a black hole? How dosent it affect the entire situation?

Oh, you don't want to get into pre-1948. The Jews were not treated fairly in that timeframe either. Look up the number of riots, killings, etc. Also, you'd find that All of Israel, Gaza Strip, West Bank, and Jordan were originally set aside to be the Jewish state.
 
2006-12-15 02:54:08 AM
beoweasel

"For the people that keep mentioned Byrd, lets point out something things:" (and Strom and Duke)

Can't accept your argument that Byrd and Thurmond and Duke's participation/motives/severity in the KKK can be conditional. Their mindsets are the same.

Putting lipstick on a pig changes nothing.

Byrd has used the N-word even recently, Duke backtracked on this video about Jews/Zionists.

To me it just shows your partisanship in politics.
 
2006-12-15 02:55:41 AM
In the video, Duke says that "Even the Washington Post says that 60% of the contribution for the Republican party comes from Jewish sources."?

In an interview with Joe Scarborough excerpted here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959495/, Duke says "The "Wall Street Journal" itself talked about 50 percent of the contributions for Republicans and even more for Democrats, come from Jewish sources."

Methinks he plays loose and free with the facts.
 
2006-12-15 02:58:16 AM
Somacandra: Doesn't the existence of any nation-state derive its very legitimacy from how it treats all of its citizens?

Are you serious? The existence of any nation-state derives its legitimacy from its ability to maintain itself, period. If a small minority of the population has power and control in a great enough quantity to maintain the state - the state exists. If a collection of people have a social contract they all implicitly agree upon to elect leaders of their state - the state exists. If one person can make just enough other people follow him/her in order to defend the state - the state exists.

You know this! There are countless states that exist in the world without any regard to how they treat their people. There are countless states that exist who do regard how they treat their people. The only common thread any of them have is that they all have the ability to make sure, at the end of the day, they remain states.
 
2006-12-15 03:01:43 AM
Executive Monkey: Just dropped in to say that if you do a word search for my name, you can read my argument proving that the founding of Israel in 1948 violated Jewish law. The argument was made and overcame everyone's objections, including Tatsuma's.

I'm feverishly clicking on refresh to see whether Tatsuma is going to come back.
 
2006-12-15 03:06:36 AM
Throughout the entire video I just couldn't stop staring at Duke's, uh... 'hair'. Even if he weren't a raving loon it would make it awfully tough to take him seriously.
 
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