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2006-12-14 06:15:32 PM
Awww, the poor widdle white-supremacist got his feewings hurt
 
2006-12-14 06:19:31 PM
wow, two assholes!
 
2006-12-14 06:19:33 PM
I don't know if it's a fight so much as a crazy white supremacist spouting crazy.
 
2006-12-14 06:20:28 PM
i17.tinypic.com
 
2006-12-14 06:29:44 PM
Man those two guys really went at it.
It was a hard, tough challenge. Especially about the Holocaust.

Oh, and, I hate Jews.

/I don't hate Jews.
 
2006-12-14 06:40:06 PM
I agree with Duke that no one should ever be locked up for expressing their opinion, no matter how stupid. Thats how we know who the idiots are.
 
2006-12-14 06:53:26 PM
He wasn't just a Klansman, he was Imperial Wizard. He puts up a big stink about being introduced as former KKK then goes on to express KKK ideology verbatim. And he defends Ahmadinejad by making a distinction between Zionists and Israel when Ahmadinejad uses them interchangeably. F him.
 
2006-12-14 07:02:04 PM
I like the way he alllllmost says "Jewish-controlled government" and he stops himself to say "Zionist" instead.

Does he think he's fooling anyone into believing he's an intellectual?
 
2006-12-14 07:11:49 PM
Oh this is going to be fun when it hits the main page.

/Grabs popcorn.
 
2006-12-14 07:14:34 PM
When did David Duke start looking like a pre-rehab Jan-Michael Vincent?
 
2006-12-14 07:15:27 PM
I have no love for Wolf Blitzer, but he's a far cry from David Duke on the asshole meter.
 
2006-12-14 07:18:06 PM
mediaho: F him.

right in the A.
 
2006-12-14 07:31:19 PM
I dislike Wolf Blitzer.
I despise David Duke.
I dislike AIPAC.
I despise the KKK.

/FOADIAF, David.
//Duke sucks.
 
2006-12-14 07:36:26 PM
Asshole v. Asshole
 
2006-12-14 07:40:57 PM
This is hitting the main page? Oh, I might have to go to bed later then!
 
2006-12-14 07:44:46 PM
UberDave

*right click...save as*

Thanks Dave!
 
2006-12-14 07:46:27 PM
I've never been a fan of Wolf Blitzer.

Until now.

/WTF is AIPAC?
 
2006-12-14 07:47:21 PM
UberDave:

don't you mean:

img347.imageshack.us

/too subtle?

 
2006-12-14 07:48:21 PM
From Wikipedia:
"The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is a special interest group that lobbies the United States Government in favor of maintaining a close US-Israel relationship. Describing itself as "America's Pro-Israel Lobby," it is a mass-membership organization including both Jews and non-Jews. AIPAC was formed during the Eisenhower administration, and since then has helped increase American aid and support to Israel. It has also been the source of much controversy and criticism, because of its heavy political influence."
 
2006-12-14 07:53:34 PM
Ahhh, I wonder why Mr. Blitzer cares, but in any case, as reprehensible as its aims and/or existence may be, it's not nearly as bad as being the Grand Lizard of the Special Multiple K's.
 
2006-12-14 07:54:57 PM
Thanks ever so much Mr. Tumnus, and put on a shirt, you hairy-nippled freak.

/and what was your answer to the "to shave or not to shave your junk" thread?
 
2006-12-14 08:01:14 PM
Tatsuma: This is hitting the main page? Oh, I might have to go to bed later then!

Coffee, sur? Decaf?
 
2006-12-14 08:11:56 PM
That was special...

Would have been even more entertaining if Wolf Blitzer had been black or hispanic as well as jewish... smoke would have been pouring out of Duke's ears.
 
2006-12-14 08:14:35 PM
..what's wrong with supporting Isreal again?

Y'know, besides that it makes the entire mid-east hate us.
 
2006-12-14 08:35:41 PM
Comrade438: Coffee, sur? Decaf?

Irish coffee, with a double portion of Irishness

Emperorsteele: Y'know, besides that it makes the entire mid-east hate us.

We wouldn't want to anger the Clerics of Iran or the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia!

Dear no!
 
2006-12-14 08:56:25 PM
Tatsuma: We wouldn't want to anger the Clerics of Iran or the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia!

Um, actually, we wouldn't. Saudis anyway.

As unfortunate as it is, those assholes do matter. We can only hope that the American leadership/electorate has the long-term wisdom to eventually change this inauspicious truth.
 
2006-12-14 09:47:20 PM
Lionel Mandrake: As unfortunate as it is, those assholes do matter. We can only hope that the American leadership/electorate has the long-term wisdom to eventually change this inauspicious truth.

I completely agree.

The reign of these dictators will come to an end once the world shifst away from being dependant on oil

Hopefully, this will happen quite soo
 
2006-12-14 10:37:21 PM
Shock And Awe Redux

img337.imageshack.us
 
2006-12-14 10:41:19 PM
If ever there was a headline that needed a "Duke sucks", this is it.
 
2006-12-14 10:42:12 PM
Uh, so wait.. the Holocaust was real then?
 
2006-12-14 10:43:56 PM
The US should never back down from doing the right thing because it makes someone else angry. Now, you can argue that supporting Israel isn't the right thing, but pointing out that it makes others angry is not a reason not to do it.

For the same reason, we should support the RoC over the PRC.
 
2006-12-14 10:45:34 PM
Scary how a former racist like him has so many good points about the current state of american international policy.
 
2006-12-14 10:47:00 PM
Churchill2004: The US should never back down from doing the right thing because it makes someone else angry. Now, you can argue that supporting Israel isn't the right thing, but pointing out that it makes others angry is not a reason not to do it.

I definitely get behind that

pvd021: Scary how a former racist like him has so many good points about the current state of american international policy.

You need to look in the mirror and say 10 times:

I agree with David Duke

It might help that fact sink in
 
2006-12-14 10:47:21 PM
I'm sorry, but if you're a card carrying KKK member, you should smile while taking it in the ass.
 
2006-12-14 10:47:29 PM
Duke doesn't say anything worse than most college professors.

/Duke sucks
 
2006-12-14 10:47:54 PM
I gained nothing from that. Ask me again why I don't like the MSM.

/You're this and that, well, you're that and this. Awesome.
//Do we really need the interpretation of talking heads?
 
2006-12-14 10:47:55 PM
I love it when journalists insert their own views in a question by saying, "Some people think that you're a racist, jew-bashing slimewad who'd be better off dead. How do you respond, sir?" Good job, Wolf. And next time you interview Senator Robert Byrd, make sure you introduce him as a former KKK member too.
 
2006-12-14 10:48:42 PM
The AIPAC? Really? Ugh. Is there anybody that isn't in somebody's pocket?
 
2006-12-14 10:48:45 PM
jjorsett: "Some people think that you're a racist, jew-bashing slimewad who'd be better off dead. How do you respond, sir?"

That's actually a pretty good question
 
2006-12-14 10:49:02 PM
Churchill2004: For the same reason, we should support the RoC over the PRC.

Why?
 
2006-12-14 10:49:40 PM
Duke sucks.
Blitzer swallows.
 
2006-12-14 10:49:44 PM
And TommyymmoT pwns the thread.
 
2006-12-14 10:50:00 PM
"You can't handle the truth!"
 
2006-12-14 10:50:43 PM
Tatsuma [TotalFark]

I'm asian dipshiat. And even though David duke is a douchebag. He does have some valid points in there. I agree with SOME of his points, not his stance and overall view.
 
2006-12-14 10:50:51 PM
So poor
So black
 
2006-12-14 10:51:29 PM
pvd021: I'm asian dipshiat.

And how how how being a non-white makes it unpossible to be a racist douchebag?

I agree with SOME of his points, not his stance and overall view.
 
2006-12-14 10:51:41 PM
Oh, and seeing as this looks like a civilised thread, so far, i'll say this, because it's a point I think needs to be made.

I really detest the extremist nuts on both sides of this stupidity. I detest them for two reasons.

Firstly, because extremist and reactionary stances are responsible for the overall situation in the middle east as a whole. (Note: individuals are responsible for their own actions in the actual bombings/shootings/terrorism/shelling of civilians etc, but governments and quasi-governmental organisations are responsible for the overall political climate that drives most of those people.)

Secondly, and more importantly, I detest the extremists because they perpetuate the stupidity and senseless waste that they use to validate their position. The entire setup is circular politics, which is like circular logic only utterly stupid.
 
2006-12-14 10:52:26 PM
pvd021: I agree with SOME of his points, not his stance and overall view.

And what is that

"Jews control the world, but I don't think we should send them to the oven again"?
 
2006-12-14 10:52:37 PM
Why doesn't the media ever introduce Robert Byrd 11 times as a former Klan recruiter?
 
2006-12-14 10:52:57 PM
cotb: Why?


Because the RoC is a representative democracy and the PRC is a psudeo-fascist regime with an abhorrent record on human rights. That's why.

The RoC isn't perfect, granted, and up until recently they weren't very democratic either. However, they are far better than the "communist" regime in Beijing.
 
2006-12-14 10:53:19 PM
Duke is a douche for being in the KKK but in the 4 minutes I heard of the clip, he didn't say anything wrong.
 
2006-12-14 10:53:33 PM
David Duke and Mel Gibson should get together sometime.
 
2006-12-14 10:53:41 PM
God, it's like watching two assholes trying to out-pucker each other.

/...can't....turn...away....
 
2006-12-14 10:53:54 PM
So has that conference in Tehran found that the holocaust happened yet?

Cause, y'know, they could have just invited some germans. That would have wrapped things up pretty quickly.
 
2006-12-14 10:53:58 PM
I thought KKK members hated anyone but whites? Whats he doing cozying up to Arabs? Someone should ask him what he thinks of the black influence on society, then we'll really see some nuttiness, let alone his opinions on Jews.

DIAF David Duke. Youre a walking contradiction, not to mention a complete monster.
 
2006-12-14 10:54:01 PM
Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Because Dipshiat. Being Asian would make me a VERY UNLIKELY Supporter of a KKK member, former KKK member or anything near that organization. WTF do you really lack common sense?
 
2006-12-14 10:54:27 PM
Mugato: Duke is a douche for being in the KKK but in the 4 minutes I heard of the clip, he didn't say anything wrong.

Are you kidding? You need to listen to that again
 
2006-12-14 10:54:27 PM
CRIPPLE FIGHT!!!!!
 
2006-12-14 10:54:42 PM
byrd.senate.gov

/unaviable for comment
 
2006-12-14 10:55:44 PM
I think this sums up both sides of this argument:

blipvert.smugmug.com
 
2006-12-14 10:56:01 PM
why do people hate Jews again?

i mean... what the fark did Jews ever do to anyone?

Why can't we we hate fundamentalist Muslims, instead?

/atheist
 
2006-12-14 10:56:11 PM
pvd021: Because Dipshiat. Being Asian would make me a VERY UNLIKELY Supporter of a KKK member, former KKK member or anything near that organization. WTF do you really lack common sense?

So asians can't be racist douchebags since they are not white?

and I'm the one that lacks common sense?

BudTheSpud: I thought KKK members hated anyone but whites? Whats he doing cozying up to Arabs?

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend". That comes from the Arabs, too.
 
2006-12-14 10:56:12 PM
I usually don't get worked up over losers like this but this guy deserves no air time. He is a disgrace to humanity.
 
2006-12-14 10:56:37 PM
Wow, way to interview there, Wolf. Just let the guy have a rant on national television. He asked a total of what, three questions? None of which got answered and all of which let to Duke spewing his bull on the air. And then he let Duke attack him and ask him questions. What a putz.

I hope that people who watched this interview got the idea of what a nutjob Duke is. But in the back of my mind, I'm afraid some didn't.
 
2006-12-14 10:56:59 PM
Duke made some valid points, and why does the U.S. do everything for Israel anyway?
 
2006-12-14 10:57:04 PM
Youtube sure has a lot of racists in the forums.

duke sure likes to dance around questions. He is quite a coward. I have no freaking idea how any one could side with this jerk.
 
2006-12-14 10:58:16 PM
Tatsuma: That comes from the Arabs, too


You both fail. Iranians aren't Arab, and calling them such will get you a swift kick to the balls. Just ask Persepolis.

/I excpected better from you, Tats.
 
2006-12-14 10:58:22 PM
joe_bruin: I hope that people who watched this interview got the idea of what a nutjob Duke is. But in the back of my mind, I'm afraid some didn't.

looks like

JerkyMeat: Duke made some valid points, and why does the U.S. do everything for Israel anyway?

you might be right
 
2006-12-14 10:58:23 PM
Hey, I'm a member of a minority and I hate a bunch of people, in fact, everyone. I just think wearing blankets and running around burning crosses is a dumbass thing to do.
 
2006-12-14 10:58:39 PM
I am still waiting for CNN to introduce Senator Robert Byrd (Dem from West Virginia) as a former Klansmen, just like Duke.
 
2006-12-14 10:58:53 PM
Holy Moly! That plastic surgeon really butchered Duke. THat is almost Joyce Wildenstein territory.

/maybe the plastic surgeon was a jew with an anglo name?
//I used to live in Duke's old Louisiana neighborhood, Metairie.
 
2006-12-14 10:58:57 PM
Tatsuma

You're gonna think this is a troll, but it's an honest post.
You attack pvd021 and he said basically what I was thinking. "Wow, this dipshiat pig Duke is the only one that dares say anything about how it helps Isreali interests for us to war in the ME" and you attack him. I used to think you were an intelligent dude who was just a little too zealous, but you are really starting to look just like a moron zealot. Why haven't you gone to fight in Isreal yet? Honest question.
 
2006-12-14 10:59:12 PM
Duke said, "You can't handle the truth," and then called Blitzer "an Israeli agent."

hahahahahaha

What degree-granting institution gave Duke a PhD?
 
2006-12-14 10:59:21 PM
Churchill2004: You both fail. Iranians aren't Arab, and calling them such will get you a swift kick to the balls. Just ask Persepolis.

What? I'm pretty sure that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes from around the Arabian peninsula...

Is it really from the Persians? I didn't know that! Damn you, random generic history teacher
 
2006-12-14 10:59:30 PM
Oh, and by the way, most Israelis were opposed to the invasion of Iraq. Sorry, but the invasion of Iraq wasn't done for the Israelis, nor did the Israelis really even benefit from it.
 
2006-12-14 10:59:37 PM
Wolf pussed out in the end:

"We're going to have to end this Mr. Duke, our satellite is about to go down!"

Sure.
 
2006-12-14 10:59:42 PM
I find it funny that former KKK members and Muslim leaders throughout the world finally found something that they can come together and hate mutually:

The supression of free speech.

Thats what this conference is about, right?

I also found it funny that this was on wikipedia.com. Can't verify it, but:

"Duke returned to LSU, graduating in 1974. He became famous on campus for wearing a Nazi uniform while picketing and holding parties on the anniversary of the birth of Adolf Hitler."

What a hero. The fact that this man was elected to a national office is frightening.
 
2006-12-14 10:59:50 PM
Is this all about that fake holocaust thingie?

/DRTFA
//not serious
 
b3x
2006-12-14 11:00:23 PM
Moloth
why do people hate Jews again?

Why, They Killed Christ!! THATS WHAT THEY DID! Just Ask The Road Warrior!
 
2006-12-14 11:01:17 PM
A black man with big black dreds lives in one of his former house's FWIW.
 
2006-12-14 11:01:59 PM
Tatsuma: What? I'm pretty sure that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes from around the Arabian peninsula...

Is it really from the Persians? I didn't know that! Damn you, random generic history teacher



No, he said this guy was "cuddling up to arabs". He's at a conference sponsored by the Iranian government. I just assumed that's why you maid a reference to arabs, also.

I wasn't talking about where the saying came from.
 
2006-12-14 11:02:02 PM
boomaze: You're gonna think this is a troll, but it's an honest post.
You attack pvd021 and he said basically what I was thinking. "Wow, this dipshiat pig Duke is the only one that dares say anything about how it helps Isreali interests for us to war in the ME"


The only one that dares to say anything?

Are you serious? Do you read forums or talk to anyone?
 
2006-12-14 11:02:10 PM
Has anyone said "Duke Sucks" yet? If not, I just did. If so. I'm sorry.
/going to read the thread now.
 
2006-12-14 11:02:12 PM
AIPAC

The thing to really understand about this particular PAC is it is supported by fundamentalist and evangelical christians as well because establishing Israel brings about some of the requirements for Armageddon.

Read this to get a good picture of how much power they wield:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
 
2006-12-14 11:02:19 PM
choice and consequence
Wolf pussed out in the end:

"We're going to have to end this Mr. Duke, our satellite is about to go down!"

Sure.


I caught that too. What a dick. CNN's satelitte network goes down. OK.
 
2006-12-14 11:02:49 PM
Churchill2004: maid

Yes, I know.
 
2006-12-14 11:02:55 PM
Churchill2004: Oh, and by the way, most Israelis were opposed to the invasion of Iraq. Sorry, but the invasion of Iraq wasn't done for the Israelis, nor did the Israelis really even benefit from it.

Most Americans didn't benefit from it either.

It's always the few elite vs. the rest.
 
2006-12-14 11:03:06 PM
JerkyMeat: Duke made some valid points, and why does the U.S. do everything for Israel anyway?

I feel very dirty actually agreeing with this ...
 
2006-12-14 11:03:32 PM
if i recall correctly Israel supported letting the inspectors finish their mission before we invaded
also umm last time i checked most people in the media when talking about former communist officials mention that fact in introducing the piece and sometimes even ask if that has any affect on their current policies i mean almost every time so what kind of comparison was he trying to make?
 
2006-12-14 11:03:43 PM
Churchill2004: Oh, and by the way, most Israelis were opposed to the invasion of Iraq. Sorry, but the invasion of Iraq wasn't done for the Israelis, nor did the Israelis really even benefit from it.

Cheers for that, by the way, it's completely true. I can't think of a single Jew I know that backed the Iraq War II

All of us backed Afghanistan and for good reasons, though

No, he said this guy was "cuddling up to arabs". He's at a conference sponsored by the Iranian government. I just assumed that's why you maid a reference to arabs, also.

I wasn't talking about where the saying came from.


Ahhhh, ok, huge misunderstanding.... I'm fully aware most Iranians are persians, I thought you were talking about the origins of said comment
 
2006-12-14 11:03:53 PM
Tatsuma
The only one that dares to say anything?

Are you serious? Do you read forums or talk to anyone?


Fair enough. Let me rephrase that more clearly. The only one who is a leader in this country politically who doesn't want strung up by there nuts. People in the fark forums don't count.
 
2006-12-14 11:04:10 PM
Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Are you that farking Dense? Are you calling me a racist because I agree with some of the points made by David Duke? Why do you insist on the racist card? What are you, some future Fox News correspondent? I haven't said or implied anything racist and you're already playing that card?

That America did not benefit from the war in Iraq?
That America does not benefit by supporting Israel or having it as an ally?

THere's 3 Major Reasons why America Supports Israel.

1. We're a christian based country and believe it or not we do not want to anything resembling the Apocalypse. Jews are Gods chosen people and their demise would be one step closer to the last chapters of the bible. (Israel does have nukes and will use them if need be). I can't blame Israel for this.

2. THey were a great Ally to us during the cold war and provided tremendous amount of intel and support during this scary time with the USSR.

3.Having one less ally or ZERO allies in the middle east would make America a weaker nation and in a poorer position overall in the world.

And back to your accusation of why an asian guy like myself couldn't be racist. I can't be because I would bang mom like i would any other chick. Regardless of color.
 
2006-12-14 11:04:15 PM
CNN should've put Ward Connerly on with David Duke. Give the guy another chance to accept a KKK endorsement.

/Or Trent Lott
//Or Geraldo
 
2006-12-14 11:04:26 PM
blindpreacher: Most Americans didn't benefit from it either.


Most Americans did support it, though.

If you want to take it further, the government of Israel didn't support the war, either. They just didn't actively oppose it because they didn't want to get the US mad at them.
 
2006-12-14 11:04:33 PM
Duke's overenthusiasm made it a little scary, but he did make some good points. Definitely got under Blitzer's skin with the AIPAC thing, I think Blitzer was trying to remain fair but he got quite flustered at points.
 
2006-12-14 11:05:16 PM
I just dont think wolf is a savvy interviewer, I mean seriously the man sat there and said the conference was about the freedom to express an idea. Like denying the holocaust.
So why not hit him with some obvious counter questions?
They have freedom of speech in IRAN? or freedom to hate, without a choice of disagreement?
Why is hate against Jews so focused on(by anti Semites) and not point out that whites cant express hate of blacks, gangs and blacks cant express hate of white, etc..
Its illegal to tell people to go commit acts of violence just like its illegal to threaten people, logically(because there are lots of dumbasses). And its clear that all hate groups have difficulty getting support from mainstream sources, so they express there anger thru hate. Which leads to more violence.
.
 
2006-12-14 11:06:07 PM
Churchill2004: The RoC isn't perfect, granted, and up until recently they weren't very democratic either. However, they are far better than the "communist" regime in Beijing.

So we should just go with the lesser of evils instead of "doing the right thing"?

It's the "right vs. wrong" thing that sets me off. Careful getting off your horse.
 
2006-12-14 11:06:25 PM
boomaze: Fair enough. Let me rephrase that more clearly. The only one who is a leader in this country politically who doesn't want strung up by there nuts. People in the fark forums don't count.

It might be because at least 70% of this country backs Israel, you know?

pvd021: Are you that farking Dense? Are you calling me a racist because I agree with some of the points made by David Duke? Why do you insist on the racist card? What are you, some future Fox News correspondent? I haven't said or implied anything racist and you're already playing that card?

... you stated "I'm asian!1!" as a reason for you not being a racist douchebag, not me.

And back to your accusation of why an asian guy like myself couldn't be racist. I can't be because I would bang mom like i would any other chick. Regardless of color.

Say what? I might be drunk but not that drunk.. so say what?
 
2006-12-14 11:07:00 PM
JerkyMeat

Jewish guilt.

/Had to be said.
 
2006-12-14 11:07:00 PM
Churchill2004: Most Americans did support it, though.

Scary how so many were fooled by the flimsiest of evidence provided by the stupidest of Presidents.

If you want to take it further, the government of Israel didn't support the war, either. They just didn't actively oppose it because they didn't want to get the US mad at them.

How do you know the Israeli government didn't support it?
 
2006-12-14 11:07:26 PM
pvd021: 3.Having one less ally or ZERO allies in the middle east would make America a weaker nation and in a poorer position overall in the world.


You really think Israel is the only ally we have in the region? Granted, they are the only democratic ally we have, and the populace of most (not all, see Kuwait) of the others don't support their government's allying with the US, but still...

There's Egypt, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE, Turkey, Bahrain, Qatar, and probably a couple of others that I'm missing.
 
2006-12-14 11:07:34 PM
I stated I'm asian because being asian would not likely make me a David Duke fan.


And when I said mom, I meant your mom. Sorry I just got a little bit excited there, thinking about your mom. I hope she's MILF.
 
2006-12-14 11:07:35 PM
Ward Connerly

I was thinking of that guy, in consideration of another post. Ward, not representative of liberals.
 
2006-12-14 11:08:06 PM
I think John Stewart said it best, jjorsett when he queryed your mother as to whether or not she is a whore.
 
2006-12-14 11:08:14 PM
TenaciousDMZ: Jewish guilt.

Jewish guilt what?

Guilt over the fact that by hundreds of thousands Jews were refused entry in the US during WWII? Or the fact that the US army could have stopped the death of millions by bombing the railroads going to death camps?
 
2006-12-14 11:08:34 PM
Like President Bush, David Duke has his convictions. You gotta admire a man that has convictions.
 
2006-12-14 11:08:54 PM
They're both right. Duke is a racist, and Blitzer is an anti-democracy pro-apartheid apologist.
And they're both on t.v., while reasonable folks aren't.
/Might be worth thinking about.
pvd021
You're being trolled. Walk away.
 
2006-12-14 11:09:05 PM
pvd021: I stated I'm asian because being asian would not likely make me a David Duke fan.

Again, how does being asian makes it impossible for you to be a racist douche?

And when I said mom, I meant your mom. Sorry I just got a little bit excited there, thinking about your mom. I hope she's MILF.

Ah, "your mom" jokes. Way to elevate the debate
 
2006-12-14 11:09:41 PM
joe_bruin

Agreed.

How can you possibly get shown up by David Duke?

/Pathetic
 
2006-12-14 11:09:41 PM
cotb: Careful getting off your horse.

Ach, that last bit was snarky-- I apologize.
 
2006-12-14 11:09:55 PM
Hey, it was Israel that said that Israel is Zionist theocratic-driven state. David Duke is just repeating their own ministers.
 
2006-12-14 11:10:00 PM
It's all because of Jewish terrorism against Palestinians...

Oh wait, that's not right. I meant to say Jews are all happy go-lucky controllers of the world, no wait, I meant to say we're all just comics and producers.

Oh hell, blame all this on Shatner.
 
2006-12-14 11:10:04 PM
Duke, you magnificent bastard, you totally kicked ass!

Blitzer, you coniving weasel, YOU COULD NOT HANDLE HIM. You could not spin him.

Facts against name calling.
 
2006-12-14 11:10:31 PM
He was a Klan member but he hates Israel?

Liberals don't know whether to embrace him or shun him.
 
2006-12-14 11:10:38 PM
czarangelus: Hey, it was Israel that said that Israel is Zionist theocratic-driven state. David Duke is just repeating their own ministers.

say what?

I'm happy you're in a Duke thread, however. I feel it's going to get pretty funny very soon
 
2006-12-14 11:10:57 PM
Wolf kind of failed on the interview. But I still think Duke is a racist and batshiat crazy.

That being said why the hell do we even give Israel money?

/3 billion a year
//we could use that back home
///buy our oil from Canada and build nuclear power plants
 
2006-12-14 11:11:12 PM
blindpreacher: How do you know the Israeli government didn't support it?


Because they didn't. They might have, like several other nations that politically opposed the war, provided material assistance, but politically the Israelis neither supported nor opposed the Iraq war.
 
2006-12-14 11:11:23 PM
2006-12-14 11:08:14 PMTatsuma

Tats, I'm going to pick up on this one. Jews, for the most part, are not the first to speak out about any atrocities that do not concern Jews. Cough *Darfur* Cough.

/Just sayin'
//Atrocities did not end with WW2.
///Jews seems to have little to say about anything post WW2.
////No?
 
2006-12-14 11:11:24 PM
Holy shiat, you know the world is screwed when farkers are running to defend David pharking Duke.
 
2006-12-14 11:11:30 PM
Sunny Ray: Like President Bush, David Duke has his convictions. You gotta admire a man that has convictions.

*blink*

*blink*blink*

/walks away/
 
2006-12-14 11:11:40 PM
Tatsuma
It might be because at least 70% of this country backs Israel, you know?
You gotta have something better than that. And at least site your source.

pvd021: Are you that farking Dense? Are you calling me a racist because I agree with some of the points made by David Duke? Why do you insist on the racist card? What are you, some future Fox News correspondent? I haven't said or implied anything racist and you're already playing that card?

... you stated "I'm asian!1!" as a reason for you not being a racist douchebag, not me.


No his point was the KKK would hang and asian from a tree just like a "n*gg*er" or a "kike". People oppressing you isn't esclusive to Jews. They just constantly biatch about it.

Again, why are you farking spending so much time on the forums and not fighting for a cause you so obviously support? Somebody else doing it for you?
 
2006-12-14 11:11:49 PM
ha-ha-guy: That being said why the hell do we even give Israel money?

We give Israel money so they won't go and beat up Egypt for the 4th time. The reason we give Egypt 2B a year is so they won't go and get beaten up by Israel again either.
 
2006-12-14 11:12:26 PM
Tatsuma: say what?

I'm happy you're in a Duke thread, however. I feel it's going to get pretty funny very soon


Oh please. I know David Duke is an asshole. But just because you're an asshole doesn't mean you're wrong about everything. Hitler was an asshole too, but smoking is still bad for you.
 
2006-12-14 11:12:27 PM
Tatsuma: jjorsett: "Some people think that you're a racist, jew-bashing slimewad who'd be better off dead. How do you respond, sir?"

That's actually a pretty good question


Asking loaded questions is good?
 
2006-12-14 11:12:45 PM
The man's changed his life. Give him a break. Blitzer is pulling a Tatsuma by with the Anti-semite card.
 
2006-12-14 11:12:54 PM
ha-ha-guy

But I still think Duke is a racist and batshiat crazy.

Very perceptive. Are you magic?
 
2006-12-14 11:13:24 PM
All Apologies: Tats, I'm going to pick up on this one. Jews, for the most part, are not the first to speak out about any atrocities that do not concern Jews. Cough *Darfur* Cough.

Are you kidding? A third of "Save Darfur"'s membership and organization is Jewish and so many Rabbis are speaking up for Darfur I can't begin to list the

Seriously, you know nothing about who's running for Darfur Awareness campaigns, right? Jews are more present than anyone else.
 
2006-12-14 11:13:26 PM
cotb: So we should just go with the lesser of evils instead of "doing the right thing"?

It's the "right vs. wrong" thing that sets me off. Careful getting off your horse.



It's not the lesser of two evils. I challenge you to find a single foreign nation that's perfect.

Supporting the RoC over the PRC doesn't mean we support every little thing that the RoC does, but on the whole, the RoC simply isn't "evil", so you can't call it the lesser of two evils.
 
2006-12-14 11:13:30 PM
ha-ha-guy: That being said why the hell do we even give Israel money?

/3 billion a year
//we could use that back home


Agreed.
 
2006-12-14 11:13:34 PM
Tatsuma: We give Israel money so they won't go and beat up Egypt for the 4th time. The reason we give Egypt 2B a year is so they won't go and get beaten up by Israel again either.

I know this one bully in high school threatened to beat up other kids and man they BOTH got so much money out of me.
 
2006-12-14 11:13:49 PM
feepness
mhm as a jewish liberal that has always been a problem with me how every single issue becomes about Israel i mean really ... why cant i be against a war and not be against Israel ....
oh well i guess i am just ranting
 
2006-12-14 11:13:52 PM
Churchill2004

You're right, but they're all Muslim based. And its in their religion to side with their Muslim brothers then benefit financially from their overseas ally.

America forgets that this country holds its value in
1. Freedom.
2. Capitalism.

In many many parts of the world these two values are either severely lacking or non existent due to corruption/policy etc.

In other parts of the world its religion, and family that's most precious not to say that Americans don't value these things also but we view those who kill themselves/others for religious purposes extremist and nutcases. In other parts of the world, not so much.

Seriously, if you love this country that's great and all but some of you really need to step out and visit other lands to realize how great this country is, despite some its flaws and imperfections. Once you take a look at other places, you'll definitely be able to distinguish how great america is. There's a reason why we're the darling of the world.
 
2006-12-14 11:13:55 PM
The Jews control everything. We all know it. The Banks, the stores, the governments, teh internets. Just because some white trash loud mouth hick decides to speak his mind doesnt mean we need to come to the Jews defense. The Juuuus need no defense. They can make him look evil on the TV and we will believe it just because its on the idiot box. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.
 
2006-12-14 11:14:09 PM
Moloth

why do people hate Jews again?
i mean... what the fark did Jews ever do to anyone?
Why can't we we hate fundamentalist Muslims, instead?
/atheist

That would be unAmerican!
Let's hate them both equally!!

/not

Made the mistake of watching some portion of this conference on Int'l news where they were debating if the Jews inflated the number of people killed in the gas chambers (!!??)
WTF!!
Were they going to claim that the "Zionist controlled media' of the '40s increased the number to manipulate the masses?
Time for a major reality check for all parties involved, including the U.S.
Can we just stay out of EVERYBODY'S business for a couple of years, Please?

Duke can stay in Iran with his friends...

and hey, Tatsuma, nice to see you again.
 
2006-12-14 11:14:10 PM
www.i-deas.co.ilis in da thread!
 
2006-12-14 11:14:20 PM
ha-ha-guy

Wolf kind of failed on the interview. But I still think Duke is a racist and batshiat crazy.

That being said why the hell do we even give Israel money?

/3 billion a year
//we could use that back home
///buy our oil from Canada and build nuclear power plants


ANTI-SEMITE!!1!1 THIS GUY HATES JEWS!!! HOW DARE HE SAY THAT! I DEMAND AN APOLOGY!
 
2006-12-14 11:14:38 PM
KlumTheFark: The man's changed his life. Give him a break. Blitzer is pulling a Tatsuma by with the Anti-semite card.

Say what?

mc frontalot: Asking loaded questions is good?

In this case, yeah

czarangelus: Oh please. I know David Duke is an asshole. But just because you're an asshole doesn't mean you're wrong about everything. Hitler was an asshole too, but smoking is still bad for you.

I just think it's funny that a guy who rejoices at the news that 1 million Jews are hiding in bunkers and would agree to send 12 year olds to blow themselves up also happens to agree with David Duke, that's all
 
2006-12-14 11:15:07 PM
Isn't David a Jewish name?
//ZING!
 
2006-12-14 11:15:08 PM
Honestly Tats persecution is not exclusive to Judaism. To be fair, Jews aren't exactly taking the lead in preventing further atrocities.
 
2006-12-14 11:15:16 PM
What does it matter if the holocaust happened? Yeah it sucks that 6 million jews died, but 21 million russians died, 56 million total people died. How long does the free pass last?

A million+ have died in darfur, 2-3 million died in cambodia, hundreds of thousands have died in kosovo. Why are these lives not as important? If we cared so much about racial cleansing then why are we sitting on our ass when it is happening right now?
 
2006-12-14 11:15:31 PM
I've worked with Wolf before. He's a good guy who treats his staff as equals and he's very down to earth.
 
2006-12-14 11:15:49 PM
Dellirium: and hey, Tatsuma, nice to see you again.

cheers!
 
2006-12-14 11:16:20 PM
pvd021: Seriously, if you love this country that's great and all but some of you really need to step out and visit other lands to realize how great this country is, despite some its flaws and imperfections. Once you take a look at other places, you'll definitely be able to distinguish how great america is. There's a reason why we're the darling of the world.


We're the darling of the world because we have the largest economy, plain and simple. America is great beause of it's ideals, but that's not why the rest of the world loves us. It all goes back to the money, and we have the most money, and the most guns to back it up.
 
2006-12-14 11:16:25 PM
Tatsuma: I just think it's funny that a guy who rejoices at the news that 1 million Jews are hiding in bunkers and would agree to send 12 year olds to blow themselves up also happens to agree with David Duke, that's all

Who says I agree with him? I don't know anything about this story at all. *LOL*
 
2006-12-14 11:16:35 PM
Tatsuma

Exactly it. Don't get me wrong. I support Isreal. But it was Truman's old buddy Eddie Jacobson that got him to support Israel.

Roosevelt knew about the camps but didn't do anything about them. Bastard.
 
2006-12-14 11:16:36 PM
In other news, ABCBSNBCNN continue to ignore the fact the demoncraps have a Grand Dragon in their ranks.


Senator Robert "Ku Klux Klan" Byrd

Media bias. Nothing changes.
 
2006-12-14 11:16:40 PM
skrewewe: The Jews control everything. We all know it. The Banks, the stores, the governments, teh internets. Just because some white trash loud mouth hick decides to speak his mind doesnt mean we need to come to the Jews defense. The Juuuus need no defense. They can make him look evil on the TV and we will believe it just because its on the idiot box. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.

I loved you in Braveheart.
 
2006-12-14 11:16:58 PM
All Apologies: Honestly Tats persecution is not exclusive to Judaism. To be fair, Jews aren't exactly taking the lead in preventing further atrocities.

Again, you're wrong. Jews did more to end segragation or apartheid in South Africa than almost anyone in America.

The same thing is happening with Darfur, the ones who are basically pushing the movement are Jewish
 
2006-12-14 11:17:11 PM
OneEye = Mel Gibson or his Dad?


/can I have your autograph?
 
2006-12-14 11:17:16 PM
Having a biased extremist zionist view on the middle east is just as bad as having a KKK/Nazi perspective.

While I personally sympathize with Israel in security matters...
(they have more shyat to deal with on a dialy basis than any of you will ever likely see in your lifetimes, and NEED to defend themselves against islamic wackjobs that wanna kill their children)
Duke's right about the way that the media has spun it. People are having hatred incited against the enemies of Israel in the same vain as it was against the Jewish and homosexuals and socialists 60-some years ago.

Neither view is inherently right, and we ARE being used as tools for furthering their interests. I have a few persian friends (that's iranian for those of you who don't know bob from joe) and they are MASSIVELY pissed at the way they are being portrayed... they think peace with Israel is critical, and say that the majority of Iranians feel the same way. We all just wanna live and love, folks.

The whole original purpose of the conference was not to deny the holocaust or organize a slaughter of israel, it was to protest the spin that gets put on any criticism of israeli policy. And guess what happened... all we hear in North america is a story about a freakin nazi rally.

Fell right into it...
 
2006-12-14 11:17:55 PM
One thing that's puzzled me all these years is why the god figure never gave his chosen peeps their own patch to begin with? Like the Persian Gulf.

Hell, it's the least I would've done for my favorite folks.
 
2006-12-14 11:18:05 PM
skrewewe: The Jews control everything. We all know it. The Banks, the stores, the governments, teh internets. Just because some white trash loud mouth hick decides to speak his mind doesnt mean we need to come to the Jews defense. The Juuuus need no defense. They can make him look evil on the TV and we will believe it just because its on the idiot box. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.

Hello, Mel... How's Apocalyptico doing?
 
2006-12-14 11:18:20 PM
Seriously, you know nothing about who's running for Darfur Awareness campaigns, right? Jews are more present than anyone else.

It's the partisan perspective that irks me Tats.
 
2006-12-14 11:18:38 PM
pvd021: And when I said mom, I meant your mom. Sorry I just got a little bit excited there, thinking about your mom. I hope she's MILF.

You Asians are so horrible at witty comebacks. Jesus.

/oh delicious irony
//So a Jew and an Asian walk into a forum...
 
2006-12-14 11:18:46 PM
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Evil, lunatic powermongers don't get where they are by spouting mad hatred at random - they have to make some minimal amount of sense in order to drive the wedge.

Duke plays on the legitimate questions of the US's involvement with Israel to try and rebuild his empire of hatred within the context of liberal intellectualism. People can easily be taken into believing what they want to believe - look what happened to Noam Chomsky with the Kmer Rouge.

The problem is that the initial liberal argument of "the USA should not be supporting Israel in their conflict" has been twisted into questions of whether their neighbors are right.

These are wholly different concepts - and if one compares Israel with their neighbors when honest with onesself, then making any attack on Israel's foreign policy is preposterous. However, arguing this does NOT mean that anyone should support Israel - they made their bed when they decided that a Jewish country in their ancestral homeland was worth any price (a price that their neighbors and locals expect them to pay in full, and then some).

Duke manipulates the concept of the USA's support of Israel (which can be considered an institutionalized parallel with Irishmen who sent money home to fund the IRA) into construct the old concept of the "Great Jewish Conspiracy", which, in turn, creates resentment of this theoretical power, and hatred.

Is it possible that a disproportionate number of Jews hold political and media influence? Of course. Is this indicative of some kind of conspiracy, or a reason to hate Jews? Hell no. Consensus, maybe - but never conspiracy. All it means is that political decisions related to Israel should be carefully examined for external biases.

I can at least comprehend black racists who hate Jews - they hate every ethnic group that can be perceived as being more powerful than themselves... but the hypocrisy of white-hating Jews is outright hilarious - the exact attributes in Jews that white racists imagine and hate are the ones that various minorities see and hate in whites.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:05 PM
OneEye
What does it matter if the holocaust happened? Yeah it sucks that 6 million jews died, but 21 million russians died, 56 million total people died. How long does the free pass last?

A million+ have died in darfur, 2-3 million died in cambodia, hundreds of thousands have died in kosovo. Why are these lives not as important? If we cared so much about racial cleansing then why are we sitting on our ass when it is happening right now?


Boy, that's seriously a perfect post. And to answer your question, no, they are not as important. Who cares about commies, or yellow people, or blacks. Jews are god's chosen people dammit.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:13 PM
Churchill2004: Because they didn't. They might have, like several other nations that politically opposed the war, provided material assistance, but politically the Israelis neither supported nor opposed the Iraq war.

What the US needed in Iraq, and still does, are boots on the ground for policing. Israel, being a small country of ~6 million does not have the manpower to donate. And even if they were able to provide support it would inflame the region even more and would very much go against the image the US is trying to paint.

In short, the US much prefers Israel to stay out directly so as to not make things look even worse to the other countries in the region. Remember how much effort the US had to exert to make sure Israel wouldn't retaliate when Iraq was firing SCUD missiles into Israel during the first war?

But I don't see how the Israeli government would NOT like to see a neighboring government that's as hostile to it as Saddam's removed and replaced with one that's more pro-Western.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:17 PM
I should get some popcorn.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:23 PM
Speaking out does not necessarily equal action.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:24 PM
Damnit, last paragraph I made a brain-O. I meant Jew-hating-whites, not white-hating-Jews.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:24 PM
Headshot_King: Having a biased extremist zionist view on the middle east is just as bad as having a KKK/Nazi perspective.

Why is that? Being a zionist means you support the right of Israel to exist

Being an "extreme zionist" means that you extremely support the right of Israel to exist?

How is that like the KKK or the nazis?
 
2006-12-14 11:20:05 PM
biglot: One thing that's puzzled me all these years is why the god figure never gave his chosen peeps their own patch to begin with? Like the Persian Gulf.

Hell, it's the least I would've done for my favorite folks.



I think he did, actually. That's the basic religious claim to the land of Israel by the Jews, anyway.

Most Jew's claim is more along the lines of how it was theirs before the diaspora, though, if I understand correctly. I do know that Israel is by and large a secular nation.
 
2006-12-14 11:20:33 PM
imageigloo.com

Sleestack says: Ding Ding Ding
pvd-21 and Tatsuma Back to your corners boys. Your dust up is all just one big misunderstanding. You are both in 99% agreement with each other.

//going back into the corner to hide
 
2006-12-14 11:20:37 PM
All Apologies: It's the partisan perspective that irks me Tats.

So, you blame the Jews for not participating enough in Darfur campaigns and when I point out that not only they do, but represent a minority, you call me "partisan"?
 
2006-12-14 11:20:38 PM
KlumTheFark: The man's changed his life.

You're retarded. I suggest you go "change your life" with some .45 caliber aspirin.
 
2006-12-14 11:20:55 PM
Churchill2004

Have you ever left this country? Have you ever visited Europe or a third world nation? If not, I suggest you do.

We're a darling to the world because America is the land of Opportunity. Think about it. Its the only place in the world where a middle class guy or a lower class guy can afford to have certain luxuries, that a person within the same class wouldn't be able to imagine. In America, you can come from nothing and achieve anything. That's the beauty of this country. It theoretically gives everyone an option/opportunity and with the right work ethic and mindset. You'll be able to obtain and achieve anything.

Its about the opportunities here. Other governments envy our economy and money. But the people they envy the stability and opportunity.

Seriously, you should try visiting other countries. Lots of exotic hotties to meet.
 
2006-12-14 11:21:00 PM
img224.imageshack.us

/it's a fullhouse today!
 
2006-12-14 11:21:34 PM
sjkz: I am still waiting for CNN to introduce Senator Robert Byrd (Dem from West Virginia) as a former Klansmen, just like Duke.

You might have a point. If Byrd attended the conference in Tehran, and Blitzer interviewed him but didn't mention his KKK past, then you might have a point.

As it stands, you do not have a point.
 
2006-12-14 11:21:47 PM
TenaciousDMZ
Tatsuma

Exactly it. Don't get me wrong. I support Isreal. But it was Truman's old buddy Eddie Jacobson that got him to support Israel.

Roosevelt knew about the camps but didn't do anything about them. Bastard.


Why aren't you rioting in the streets over Dafur? Why isn't Bush a worthless cocksucker because of doing nothing about Dafur? Why are we not all pricks for not walking off our jobs until our govt does somethign over there?
 
2006-12-14 11:21:47 PM
Again, you're wrong. Jews did more to end segragation or apartheid in South Africa than almost anyone in America.

About as much as Reagan had to do with bringing down the wall.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:07 PM
AIPAC is more dangerous at the moment than the KKK. The KKK is a fringe group, largely ridiculed and despised (rightly so). They have no real power or influence.

AIPAC on the other hand is a shadowy organisation set up to serve the interests of Israel. AIPAC was waaaay too much influence and power. They actually influence US foreign policy to a very large degree.

Duke is a whackjob, but if he wants to doubt the holocaust, whatever. Let him do it. We all know it happened. Nothing is going to change that. Anyone who doubts the holocaust can just flip through the many many pages of meticulously maintained german records about it.

I did not know that Wolf Blitzer was an AIPAC apparatchick. This is the problem with AIPAC, they dont declare their interests, motives or actions.

By acting selfishly, secrectly and covertly, AIPAC ensures more and more people become suspicious of jews in general, which is of course a shame, as jews in general are very different to Zionists. AIPAC encourages anti-semitism by its actions.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:07 PM
All Apologies
Honestly Tats persecution is not exclusive to Judaism.
To be fair, Jews aren't exactly taking the lead in preventing further atrocities.

Actually, in America and Europe, Jewish people have always been in the forefront of civil rights movements and pro-immigration groups. They're a very active and liberal segment of the population.
/In addition, almost every Jewish person I've met in the states has opposed the occupation of the Palestinian Territories.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:34 PM
blindpreacher: But I don't see how the Israeli government would NOT like to see a neighboring government that's as hostile to it as Saddam's removed and replaced with one that's more pro-Western.


The long time thinking was that Iraq and Iran counter-balanced each other. That, and the Israelis didn't really think that the US would suceed in establishing a pro-Western government.

Anyway, what we were talking about originally was that the Israeli government was responsible for the war. I was pointing out that they didn't even support the war.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:49 PM
Tatsuma

The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David).

Therefore, the state of Israel is against Jewish law.

Checkmate.
 
2006-12-14 11:23:01 PM
skrewewe: The Jews control everything. We all know it.

TO EVIL, MY ZIONIST BROTHERS!

rabbs.com
 
2006-12-14 11:23:03 PM
OneEye:

Because it was supposed to be the systematic extermination of a people. Genocide.

But yes, (some) other atrocities are comparable. Too bad the rest of the world is apathetic towards a lot of the stuff going on today in Africa. Maybe it's because there's nothing to gain from ending genocide there, who knows.
 
2006-12-14 11:23:25 PM
img440.imageshack.us
 
2006-12-14 11:23:38 PM
it's interesting to me how anti-semitism is the oldest form of racism and keeps managing to redefine itself in a way that makes each contemporary society unsure if it is being reasonable or racist like their ancestors.


just an observation.

/devout catholic
 
2006-12-14 11:23:48 PM
And by nothing to gain, I meant nothing to gain from a government standpoint.
 
2006-12-14 11:24:04 PM
2006-12-14 11:22:07 PMnepia

Don't get me wrong. All in all, I like Jewish people.
 
2006-12-14 11:24:17 PM
Tatsuma

Tats, keep in mind you have a different definition of Zionism than most people. Most people will admit that Israel, as it exists now, has a right to exist... but believe that it never should have been founded in the first place. That perspective could hardly be called Zionist, could it?

Zionism, to a liberal, implies that the Jews (at large, whether or not they or their most distant ancestors have ever seen the middle east) have the right to control of the region currently known as Israel... no matter who lives there already or claims the land or whatever else stands in their way. Zionism is manifest destiny on small scale.

The belief that Israel has a right to exist and that the concepts of manifest destiny that the nation is founded on are correct are wholly different things. You define Zionism as the former, most liberals define it as the latter.
 
2006-12-14 11:24:52 PM
pvd021: Have you ever left this country? Have you ever visited Europe or a third world nation? If not, I suggest you do.

You do realize that you agree with him, right?
 
2006-12-14 11:24:58 PM
"I love it when journalists insert their own views in a question by saying, "Some people think that you're a racist, jew-bashing slimewad who'd be better off dead. How do you respond, sir?" Good job, Wolf. And next time you interview Senator Robert Byrd, make sure you introduce him as a former KKK member too."

Okay, somebody needs a lesson is just how crazy David Duke is: First off, he started and led the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan. He celebrates the birthday of Aldoph Hitler, and has been seen wearing a Nazi Uniform. He's also written a book entitled, Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening on the Jewish Question. He also denies the Holocaust ever happened, but thinks its a swell idea.

So, given that, do you blame Wolf Blitzer, who is a jew, for his questions, personally, I'm surprised that Wolf tried to remain calm, I would have told that bastard to die in a fire, myself.

Duke is right though! Those jews are evil and clever, before we know it, we'll come home to find somebody has done our taxes and accounting! EVIL, EVIL I SAY! SO BEWARE, WHILE THERE ARE JEWS, NO ONE'S FINANCES ARE SAFE FROM BEING ORGANIZED!
 
2006-12-14 11:25:19 PM

So asians can't be racist douchebags since they are not white?



You do have a point - someone being a certain race doesn't exclude them from being a racist. However, I am so sick of the racist fingerpointing that goes on today. People have to constantly defend themselves and show that they're not racist.

People do have the ability to agree with some things a person says and not others.

Having said that, I think David Duke is a big nutty. I've heard recent interviews with him on other forums and he's just as weird as he always has been. He does have his facts down, but the way he sees things in his mind are distorted.
 
2006-12-14 11:25:21 PM
pvd021: Have you ever left this country?


Uh, yes, actually. Europe and a lot of Latin America. I hope to swing by Israel someday.

Simply put, that "opportunity" and "stability" are just other words for our economy and economic system.


I do love America, and I love it for its ideals, not its sucess. However, the rest of the world loves (or hates) us for our sucess. Look at how many nations cuddled up the USSR when it looked like they were the better bet.
 
2006-12-14 11:25:34 PM
consdubya: By acting selfishly, secrectly and covertly, AIPAC ensures more and more people become suspicious of jews in general, which is of course a shame, as jews in general are very different to Zionists. AIPAC encourages anti-semitism by its actions.

Hey consdubya, how's it going? Aren't you the dude that said maybe the Jews deserved a second Holocaust for what they've done in Palestine?

Sorry, just had to get that out of the way before I can debate you further :-)
 
2006-12-14 11:26:19 PM
Executive Monkey: The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David).

Therefore, the state of Israel is against Jewish law.

Checkmate.


How is that checkmate? Have you been reading the conversations between me and GG?

Don't pretend you read that Tractacte

And Shir HaShirim Rabbah 2:7 completely contradicts your point

I find it funny when some non-Jew completely ignorant of Jewish law throws something up in the air as if it meant something when it's so easy to destroy his argument

What you are referring to is not even Halacha, it's aggadah!

bbcrackmonkey: TO EVIL, MY ZIONIST BROTHERS!

High five!

consdubya: AIPAC is more dangerous at the moment than the KKK

I love it when germans tell me how shadowy Jewish organizations control governments
 
2006-12-14 11:26:43 PM
Tatsuma
All Apologies: It's the partisan perspective that irks me Tats.

So, you blame the Jews for not participating enough in Darfur campaigns and when I point out that not only they do, but represent a minority, you call me "partisan"?


You would think as much as you hear of the horror of a holocaust 60 years ago, that Isreal would actually put boots on the ground and stop one happening now. I can sit here and start seven or eight "Save Dafur" campaigns right now, but I ain't savin no lives. If Isreal is always talking about how they will never let what happen 60 years ago happen again, them WTF? did they mean anybody but worthless Africans?
 
2006-12-14 11:26:55 PM
I'm just saying that claiming inevitable failure as a personal success is a bit of a stretch. I'm trying to be realistic here, I have nothing against Jewish people. But, to be fair, it has never come down to the efforts of just one people.
 
2006-12-14 11:26:55 PM
Tatsuma: Hello, Mel... How's Apocalyptico doing?

Ahhhhh! Nooo! The Head fark Jew Hisself!

My post was a joke just in case the sarcasm wasnt thick enuf.

/some of my best friends are the Jews.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:21 PM
Wow, Duke's plastic surgery is really falling apart.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:33 PM
Genocide is only genocide when it happens to

A) white people
B) jews
?

"Together with the mass murder of Soviet prisoners-of-war during World War II, it was the most concentrated act of genocide in human history: "the dead of Rwanda accumulated at nearly three times the rate of Jewish dead during the Holocaust."
 
2006-12-14 11:27:47 PM
boomaze: You would think as much as you hear of the horror of a holocaust 60 years ago, that Isreal would actually put boots on the ground and stop one happening now. I can sit here and start seven or eight "Save Dafur" campaigns right now, but I ain't savin no lives. If Isreal is always talking about how they will never let what happen 60 years ago happen again, them WTF? did they mean anybody but worthless Africans?


Because Israel is a nation, and like every other nation it puts its own self-interest first.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:48 PM
Executive Monkey

The problem is that the Talmud edicts against Zionism are championed by a small group of fundamentalist rabbis (I'm sure Tats will name them for us) that have done some very, very unpopular things (like vocally supporting the PLO). This makes that kind of thought rub Tats the wrong way (and I'm sure most other conservative Jews think similarly). The argument is repugnant by association.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:48 PM
Pxtl: Tats, keep in mind you have a different definition of Zionism than most people. Most people will admit that Israel, as it exists now, has a right to exist... but believe that it never should have been founded in the first place. That perspective could hardly be called Zionist, could it?

It's still zionism.

Zionism means you believe Israel has a right to exist.

All Apologies: About as much as Reagan had to do with bringing down the wall.

So you just came here to belittle Jews, basically?
 
2006-12-14 11:28:39 PM
Executive Monkey: Therefore, the state of Israel is against Jewish law.

Maybe it's just a half-way house for dispossessed Jews, waiting for the real messiah and the real state of Israel or something. Eh? Ya ever think about that?
 
2006-12-14 11:28:58 PM
Tatsuma

Jews did more to end segragation or apartheid in South Africa than almost anyone in America.

Jews or Israelis?

From what I have read and heard, Israel was one of the major supporters of apartheid south africa.
 
2006-12-14 11:28:59 PM
skrewewe

Everything? Dang that is quite a lot, I did not realize Jews were superior to everyone else on this planet. Think about it every time someone asserts Jews control everything is is an admission to the idea that you are inferior to Jews. Clearly you are a lower class because you are a loser (sorry for using less of a scientific term here).


Tatsuma

I am sorry you will have to back up your statement with facts. Prove Jews are at the fore front of civil rights.
 
2006-12-14 11:29:02 PM
"Roosevelt knew about the camps but didn't do anything about them. Bastard."


Yeah, I wish he had sent my dad over (who was fighting in the South Paciific) to free the camps. And if he had died freeing the Jews, I would never have been born. But it would be worth it to free the Jews as their lives were more important than his or mine.
 
2006-12-14 11:29:04 PM
Tatsuma

What am I saying? I'm saying that you are excluding the fact that it has been a team effort all along. It is the partisanship that irks me.
 
2006-12-14 11:29:05 PM
David Duke and Tatsuma both carry the same card. They just display different sides of it.

/At least Duke did slink away for a few years and STFU for a while.
//Good times.
 
2006-12-14 11:29:23 PM
boomaze: You would think as much as you hear of the horror of a holocaust 60 years ago, that Isreal would actually put boots on the ground and stop one happening now. I can sit here and start seven or eight "Save Dafur" campaigns right now, but I ain't savin no lives. If Isreal is always talking about how they will never let what happen 60 years ago happen again, them WTF? did they mean anybody but worthless Africans?

What about the Muslim world? You think Israel with it's 7M of population should go and anger all of the Middle-East by mixing itself with this?
 
2006-12-14 11:29:28 PM
According to Duke, the Israelis lied to us about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. Hmmm, and all along I've been blaming Dubya & company. Sorry George.

Duke also claims that the Jews are the primary financial support of the republican party. Hah! I grew up in a 90% Jewish area in NYC and never met a republican. The Jews were the base of the democrats, socialists and unionists. Republicans were drek! I'm sure that there are some Jews supporting the republicans now but seriously, the Jews support the democratic base.

But, why bother with facts? His points are far more salient with false facts and figures.

He should DIAF.
 
2006-12-14 11:29:38 PM
All right, so some of you are making a point about why is America supporting Israel, or doing something that is beneficial to them...

Il bite.
So first of lets measure how beneficial attacking Iraq is to the Israeli defenses/goals. It deflects the hatred from them,(not that they weren't burning American flags long before 9/11 see90's,80's,70's)
It involves the Arab fanatics with an all powerful country and military.
Did i miss anything? ok, so lets see first of I dont think the Israeli army Needs our help. I mean seriously the can mop the floor with them, as long as they stop caring about world opinion. Not to much of a problem for Israel(there already hated) but a Problem for America(like it or not its our world for now(and u should like it))
Second lets see who benefited the most AKA the reason every war has been fought since the dawn of time$$$.
The entire conflict cause a massive jump in oil prices, and inflationary pressures, causing American and European oil companies to post the highest revenues ever.
2)The inflation cause an increase in housing equity, which caused massive benefit and growth for all Americans.
3)Gas is also taxed federally and locally as a % of the cost per gallon, meaning higher cost = more revenue.
4)mortgages are heavily taxed about 1%,home sales are taxed, property taxes go up
5) defense spending jumped by what 200 billion dollars?!
6) thats without touching how beneficial this has been to the Arabs themselves, regardless of what happens to the peasants...
 
2006-12-14 11:29:51 PM
Tatsuma: Hello, Mel... How's Apocalyptico doing?

Would jew like to know the secret?

i13.photobucket.com
 
2006-12-14 11:30:33 PM
GoodasGold: Yeah, I wish he had sent my dad over (who was fighting in the South Paciific) to free the camps. And if he had died freeing the Jews, I would never have been born. But it would be worth it to free the Jews as their lives were more important than his or mine.


Actually, it would have taken very little to divert a few bomber missions to hit either the railways or the camps themselves. Probably would have been a less dangerous mission for most of the pilots, anyway.
 
2006-12-14 11:31:29 PM
News Flash!!!!

EVERYONE is a little bit racist.

if you can realize that, you can make an effort to not be a racist prick.
 
2006-12-14 11:31:31 PM
Tatsuma: Zionism means you believe Israel has a right to exist.

The only country I see that is in danger of no longer existing is Palestine. You project every single thing.
 
2006-12-14 11:31:45 PM
So now I'm exactly like David Duke? How is that, exactly?
 
2006-12-14 11:32:03 PM
skrewewe

Sorry about that but I just read through most of the posts made on youtube concerning that video and it makes me think no one is joking about the idea. It seems like half of the posts support duke's crazy ideas and defend his organizations. It makes me sick to read stuff like this.
 
2006-12-14 11:32:22 PM
IronTeardrop: David Duke and Tatsuma both carry the same card. They just display different sides of it.

Wait a second, so the Zionist conspiracy is in league with the KKK? Where do the Illuminati fit into this? The plot thickens!
 
2006-12-14 11:32:24 PM
ha-ha-guy: That being said why the hell do we even give Israel money?

Tatsuma We give Israel money so they won't go and beat up Egypt for the 4th time. The reason we give Egypt 2B a year is so they won't go and get beaten up by Israel again either

But why should we care what happens to Egypt? I don't mind a bit of moral support for Israel or casting the occasional veto in the Security Council, but I'd prefer American dollars to be spent closer to home.

/"Ooh, you poor Middle Eastern countries getting whacked by Israel again? Well, sorry, they are doing that on their own dime. You wanted us to stop supporting them, so there you go."
 
2006-12-14 11:32:45 PM
czarangelus: The only country I see that is in danger of no longer existing is Palestine. You project every single thing.

"No longer" existing?

There never was a "Palestine" country. How can it "no longer" exist?
 
2006-12-14 11:32:55 PM
OneEye: Genocide is only genocide when it happens to

A) white people
B) jews
?


C) more white people not in Russia
 
2006-12-14 11:33:01 PM
When Duke was in the house was he a republican?
 
2006-12-14 11:33:02 PM
IronTeardrop


David Duke and Tatsuma both carry the same card. They just display different sides of it.

/At least Duke did slink away for a few years and STFU for a while.
//Good times.


No. I submit that Tats and other zealots on his side are much more dangerous. People see them as good with american interests first. Zionist put there own interests first like every othe people. People like Duke are dickheads and most people know that so he is marginalized and he can do whatever and burn crosses and it doesn't affect policy cause who the fark sitll listens to the klan?
 
2006-12-14 11:33:08 PM
Tatsuma

How is that checkmate? Have you been reading the conversations between me and GG?

No. I am well-versed in Jewish law.

And Shir HaShirim Rabbah 2:7 completely contradicts your point

Nope.

I find it funny when some non-Jew completely ignorant of Jewish law throws something up in the air as if it meant something when it's so easy to destroy his argument

I thought you were are a Jew?

What you are referring to is not even Halacha, it's aggadah!

That's beside the point.

Israel is against Jewish law. Check and mate.
 
2006-12-14 11:33:20 PM
czarangelus: The only country I see that is in danger of no longer existing is Palestine


Sorry, but Palestine was a country invented by the Brits when they drew a few lines in the sand. "Palestine" never existed.
 
2006-12-14 11:33:24 PM
MuffinMan8869: EVERYONE is a little bit racist.

I'll admit it, I hate those filthy greaseball Italians and their Ravioli-stained hands.
 
2006-12-14 11:33:36 PM
Snarfangel: But why should we care what happens to Egypt? I don't mind a bit of moral support for IsStrael or casting the occasional veto in the Security Council, but I'd prefer American dollars to be spent closer to home.

/"Ooh, you poor Middle Eastern countries getting whacked by Israel again? Well, sorry, they are doing that on their own dime. You wanted us to stop supporting them, so there you go."


Strategic alliances, dude
 
2006-12-14 11:33:39 PM
datafox: skrewewe

Everything? Dang that is quite a lot, I did not realize Jews were superior to everyone else on this planet. Think about it every time someone asserts Jews control everything is is an admission to the idea that you are inferior to Jews. Clearly you are a lower class because you are a loser (sorry for using less of a scientific term here).


Actually it has been proven that the Ashkenazi Jews have a higher IQ then even I do. I do not feel ashamed by this.
 
2006-12-14 11:33:47 PM
So now I'm exactly like David Duke? How is that, exactly?

Wrong card to play. The Jews did not rescue themselves, and it has not been a singular fight since. Recognize that, at the very least.
 
2006-12-14 11:33:57 PM
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2006-12-14 11:34:37 PM
I can understand how many of these topics-Israel, the Holocaust, racism, the Klan-bring out strong emotional responses, including anger, in people. I get that.

But what's with all the Wolf Blitzer anger in this thread? I mean, it's not like my bedroom is all decked out with Wolf glamor posters or anything, but I've never seen such an outpouring of Blitzer vitriol. ("Blitztriol"?)

When I wasn't paying attention, did Wolf Blitzer knife some orphans or something?
 
2006-12-14 11:34:45 PM
Tatsuma: "No longer" existing?

There never was a "Palestine" country. How can it "no longer" exist?


Churchill2004: Sorry, but Palestine was a country invented by the Brits when they drew a few lines in the sand. "Palestine" never existed.

British Mandate of Palestine. You try to play farking semantic word games to try to get away from the fact that these people existed, and were driven off their land to make room for the Israeli state. You can talk to me about Israel being in danger of being destroyed when we hear of "illegal Arab settlement" in Tel Aviv.
 
2006-12-14 11:34:53 PM
boomaze
Why aren't you rioting in the streets over Dafur? Why isn't Bush a worthless cocksucker because of doing nothing about Dafur? Why are we not all pricks for not walking off our jobs until our govt does somethign over there?

Well, generally I don't riot. I do enjoy watching a good riot on the TV though. You should have been here for the one in LA. I was. Could smell the burning buildings from my house.

Anywho, I believe the US should follow through with the charter it signed saying that it will fight genocide where it sees it. NATO should have stopped all the crap in the Balkins when it happened. We should have stopped the crap in Africa too. It breaks my heart too. Darfur is about the only I agree with my lib friends though. Doing the right thing shouldn't be a partisan issue though. Colin Powell agrees.

Back to the thread though:

1. Duke is a racist dick. He does point out some flaws in the US foreign policy.

2. Wolf is the epitome of the leftist media bias. He tried to corner Mrs. Chaney like that as well. What a jack ass.
 
2006-12-14 11:34:54 PM
neither of those two ridiculous human beings is worth listening to.

/hates spin doctors
 
2006-12-14 11:35:29 PM
Churchill2004: Sorry, but Palestine was a country invented by the Brits when they drew a few lines in the sand. "Palestine" never existed.

Actually Palestine was a province, and it was the Romans who gave the province that name, specifically to erase the Jewish heritage of it (it was called Judaea before the Jewish revolts).
 
2006-12-14 11:36:19 PM
boomaze: No. I submit that Tats and other zealots on his side are much more dangerous. People see them as good with american interests first. Zionist put there own interests first like every othe people.

So now I'm not only like David Duke, but I'm even more dangerous than him!

How long before someone tells me I'm like Hitler + Stalin + Genghis Khan AND a rapist at the same time?

Executive Monkey: No. I am well-versed in Jewish law.

Well versed in Jewish law? You're so ignorant about Jewish Law you don't even know how's a Jew under Halacha

Nope.

Please, enlighten me, how does exactly the Three Oaths supercede Shir HaShirim 2:7?

Israel is against Jewish law. Check and mate.

Bwahahahhaha

You are quoting text that you never read and you think you know what you're talking about?? That's hilarious
 
2006-12-14 11:36:24 PM
Sometimes I get an image in my mind of Tatsuma frantically typing at three separate laptops to keep up his end in these flamewars.
 
2006-12-14 11:36:48 PM
Churchill2004

Sorry, but Palestine was a country invented by the Brits when they drew a few lines in the sand. "Palestine" never existed.

Palestine existed as a politically-defined geographical region for two thousand years. Israel existed as a kingdom for 300 years, then didn't exist at all until Europeans re-established it a few decades ago.
 
2006-12-14 11:36:50 PM
?boomaze: You would think as much as you hear of the horror of a holocaust 60 years ago, that Isreal would actually put boots on the ground and stop one happening now. I can sit here and start seven or eight "Save Dafur" campaigns right now, but I ain't savin no lives. If Isreal is always talking about how they will never let what happen 60 years ago happen again, them WTF? did they mean anybody but worthless Africans??"

OMG. You anti-semite. Don't you know it is up to the lower classes to actually stop genocides. That work is manual labor. The last jew that did manual labor was Jesus. Jews may be at the forefront of the Darfur cause. They will talk about it, yammer about it, intellectualize about it but is always the dumb goyim that acutally risk their lives to stop it. No there will be no Jewish "boots on the ground."
 
2006-12-14 11:37:04 PM
No... being normal means you believe in the right for israel to exist. cheers to Equality and all that fine stuff

Don't mistake a political agenda of furthering monetary and political interests for equality. THAT'S the extreme zionist way, and by giving free hand you are allowing the abuse of that power. Any arguement against that power is immediately labelled as anti-semetic.. and that's what the conference was trying to protest. It was attended by many jewish people who think this extremist view is causing a horrible backlash by islamic fundies.

power corrupts absolutely, and it don't matter what color your skin is, what your religion, culture or history is, we do have the fundamental ability to get along. The rich stir the masses to futher their interests... PERIOD. If you don't question what you are fed by the media, then you, sir are a tool.

The power brokers in washington managed to dupe the american people into playing along with an invasion of Iraq...

That said, seeing one of those Hiz rallies with lines upon lines of suicide bombers scares the living crap outta me. Where's a cluster bomb when you really need one?
 
2006-12-14 11:37:23 PM
Jammybee: "You can't handle the truth!"

I loved that part...lol!
 
2006-12-14 11:37:24 PM
Tatsuma
What about the Muslim world? You think Israel with it's 7M of population should go and anger all of the Middle-East by mixing itself with this?

I'm not sitting here arguing with a Muslim who is being self-rightous. Your point about muslims is meaningless, and you still haven't told me why you are not defending your peoples god dictated destiny in the ME right now. I'm not an Anti-semite, I just hate conservative Zionists. They're as bad as and extremists.
 
2006-12-14 11:37:40 PM
czarangelus: British Mandate of Palestine.

Oh for fark's sake

the British Mandate of Palestine says that Israel + Gaza + West Bank will be a Jewish Homeland while Transjordan will be an Arab Homeland

Are you done making a fool out of yourself?
 
2006-12-14 11:37:42 PM
Funny thing about being a lobbyist. It's a job. Being a member of the KKK is a choice.
 
2006-12-14 11:37:50 PM
Sorry, but Palestine was a country invented by the Brits when they drew a few lines in the sand. "Palestine" never existed.
Seriously, who are the people that live there? If there's no Palestine, does that mean Israel is fighting an invisible enemy?
/No matter how you choose to define it, something is happening there, and it's bad, and it's happening to real people.
 
2006-12-14 11:38:01 PM
sigdiamond2000: When did David Duke start looking like a pre-rehab Jan-Michael Vincent?

Wow. Awesome.
 
2006-12-14 11:38:02 PM
I don't really feel like reading the entire thread. Is it a sober discussion about mideast policy?
 
2006-12-14 11:38:05 PM
bbcrackmonkey

Hey consdubya, how's it going? Aren't you the dude that said maybe the Jews deserved a second Holocaust for what they've done in Palestine?

Emphasis on the maybe, and tounge in cheek, but yeah, I did say that.

Sorry, just had to get that out of the way before I can debate you further :-)

Thats ok, you are just keeping your promise from 3 years ago, I admire your devotion....

And yeah, let me give you some more controversial quotes:

Isnt it strange that the Jewish people have been persecuted throughout history? Do ya think it might be something they are doing that is getting them into trouble again and again and again?

I thought I could never criticise a Jew after the holocaust, but turns out all my sympathy has evaporated when looking at what the state of Israel does.

So why is it that the jews, after more than 2000 years, have still not managed to integrate with wider society in a way that enables them not to be killed off every 100 years or so?

I know this must look like blaming the victim, but why are we not allowed to have a look at what the victim is doing, that results in them being victimised?
 
2006-12-14 11:38:15 PM
Tatsuma: the British Mandate of Palestine says that Israel + Gaza + West Bank will be a Jewish Homeland while Transjordan will be an Arab Homeland

Again. You are talking about country names, I am talking about people.
 
2006-12-14 11:38:27 PM
Until the Brits handed it over, the nation of Israel was even less real than Palestine - it existed in several-thousand-year-old-literature and nothing else. You can't argue that Palestine never existed when, until you took it, neither did yours. Hard to defend "we have a right to exist" when you deny that another nation with equally suspicious origins (lines in the sand drawn by someone else) doesn't.
 
2006-12-14 11:38:35 PM
All Apologies: The Jews did not rescue themselves, and it has not been a singular fight since. Recognize that, at the very least.

I don't think Tatsuma is going to have a hard time disagreeing that the Jews didn't rescue themselves from the concentration camps (except for Sobibor).

The Jews did kick ass in 1948 against the combined middle east with basically no backing from anyone except a handful of planes from Czechoslovakia.
 
2006-12-14 11:38:39 PM
queenin: it's interesting to me how anti-semitism is the oldest form of racism and keeps managing to redefine itself in a way that makes each contemporary society unsure if it is being reasonable or racist like their ancestors.

Oh, I'm certain various tribes of humans had successfully demonized other tribes of humans long before H. sapiens even got to the Levant.
 
2006-12-14 11:38:52 PM
czarangelus: The only country I see that is in danger of no longer existing is Palestine.

well, since there's no such country as Palestine, i guess this thread is over.
 
2006-12-14 11:39:08 PM
Executive Monkey: Palestine existed as a politically-defined geographical region for two thousand years. Israel existed as a kingdom for 300 years, then didn't exist at all until Europeans re-established it a few decades ago.

Hey, funny thing: The Romans renamed the country as "palestine" to remind the Jews of Philistia, the Philistines and remove the Jewish link of the land

and what the fark are you smoking? The Jews controlled the land of Israel for longer than 300 years. I mean, both Temples stood longer than that
 
2006-12-14 11:39:10 PM
bbcrackmonkey
I'll admit it, I hate those filthy greaseball Italians and their Ravioli-stained hands.

You're crazy man. Even if you're joking you're going to piss them off for stereotyping them. You should not stereotype these people. They all mafia connections and they don't like to be stereotyped. You're going to wake up with a horse head in your bed.
 
2006-12-14 11:39:10 PM
It's Saltine-Americans like those two that make the rest of us crackers look bad.
 
2006-12-14 11:39:15 PM
I don't think that Tats means wrong. I just wish his perspective was broader.
 
2006-12-14 11:39:17 PM
theorellior: Sometimes I get an image in my mind of Tatsuma frantically typing at three separate laptops to keep up his end in these flamewars.

Actually the Tatsuma is a Jewish forum spambot capable of multi forum simulposts.
 
2006-12-14 11:39:27 PM
bbcrackmonkey--- well the reason i said that is to stop the, your a racist card/ i'm not racist im a black single mother buddhist from south africa BS.

Now if we can get back to the main topic of KKK asshat
 
2006-12-14 11:40:13 PM
So the jewish people with Isreal are squatting on other peoples land.

/Suck it.
//Please no more tar and featherings.
///And quit trying to cut off the end of my kids willy.
 
2006-12-14 11:40:24 PM
czarangelus: Again. You are talking about country names, I am talking about people.

No, you,re talking about a country name as well. There was no Palestine and no palestine identity before 1969
 
2006-12-14 11:40:25 PM
thinks_on_feet: What degree-granting institution gave Duke a PhD?


he got a PhD in Jew-Bashing and a Masters in Gas Oven engineering

/DIAF David Duke
 
2006-12-14 11:40:43 PM
Tatsuma
boomaze: No. I submit that Tats and other zealots on his side are much more dangerous. People see them as good with american interests first. Zionist put there own interests first like every othe people.

So now I'm not only like David Duke, but I'm even more dangerous than him!

How long before someone tells me I'm like Hitler + Stalin + Genghis Khan AND a rapist at the same time?


I watched you do this to another dude a while back. Take stuff out of context. Put up my whole post next time. I said Duke was a clown because everybody thats not an asshole knows the KKK is farking retarded. Their racism is powerless. Zionism is still, for some amazing reason, not looked at as racism. Gods chosen people? What does that make me?
 
2006-12-14 11:41:12 PM
There's ten million words I can say about this, but they all pale in comparison to what I just heard from David Dick. The death of that creature would leave the world a richer place.
 
2006-12-14 11:41:12 PM
theeagle: So the jewish people with Isreal are squatting on other peoples land.

/Suck it.
//Please no more tar and featherings.
///And quit trying to cut off the end of my kids willy.


And Americans are on Native Americans land, let's kick them all out!
 
2006-12-14 11:41:13 PM
Tatsuma
LOUD NOISES! I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!
 
2006-12-14 11:41:29 PM
consdubya: Emphasis on the maybe, and tounge in cheek, but yeah, I did say that.

Hey, ya don't like the Jews, at least you're pretty open about it. But then again, you're a German, so what's new, right?
 
2006-12-14 11:41:42 PM
TenaciousDMZ
2. Wolf is the epitome of the leftist media bias. He tried to corner Mrs. Chaney like that as well. What a jack ass.


The least you can do, if you're trying to make an intelligent point, is get the spelling of the VP of the United States right ;)
 
2006-12-14 11:41:43 PM
Duke left out Bushiwitz(sp).

/Duke sucks
 
2006-12-14 11:42:13 PM
The sick thing is that he is absolutely correct about the control of the Jewish lobby in our country, and you are simply not allowed to mention this basic fact without being tarred as an Anti-Semite. Let us not forget that there is a large percentage of Jewish people living in Israel who do not agree with Zionism. It is unfortunate to have this cause spearheaded by people like David Duke and Iran's head nutcase because it is the absolute truth.
 
2006-12-14 11:42:14 PM
Tatsuma: No, you,re talking about a country name as well. There was no Palestine and no palestine identity before 1969

But there were people. Millions of people, forcibly pushed from their houses and cities and into hostile foreign nations. The name they have taken for themselves now is Palestinians. They are owed a state. They are owed stability. They are owed compensation.
 
2006-12-14 11:42:14 PM
Tatsuma the Jewish version of that Christian guy?
 
2006-12-14 11:42:21 PM
boomaze: Zionism is still, for some amazing reason, not looked at as racism.

Zionism is a belief that Israel has a right to exist

Gods chosen people? What does that make me?

That's Judaism. And that makes you one of G-d's creations, worthy of the World to Come if you behave
 
2006-12-14 11:42:23 PM
czarangelus: You can talk to me about Israel being in danger of being destroyed when we hear of "illegal Arab settlement" in Tel Aviv.

There's questionable Arab settlement at Shechem in Greater Israel.

/kidding
//but only sorta


More seriously, look, if Israel is destroyed-and its safety has been always been tenuous-it won't be because of interior settlements, you're right. But surely you know it'll be because of bombs, guns, and murderous thugs.
 
2006-12-14 11:42:44 PM
To paraphrase and summarize Duke's argument: "You're trying to discredit my views by saying I belonged to the [Kill African-Americans Group]. I haven't belonged to the [Kill African-Americans Group] for 30 years. And by pointing out that I belonged to the [Kill African-Americans Group] you're showing that you're a puppet of the zionist conspiracy that controls our media!"

1. The holocaust did happen. Or else the nice old jewish lady that lived in my building ten years ago, with the number tattoo branded into her arm, was a cunning secret agent.
2. The Iraq war didn't benefit anybody, except possibly Iran since Sunni Saddam Hussein was their enemy. Oh, and no-bid contracters.
3. For crying out loud, the KKK. You get that on your resume you bet it's going to be pointed out.
 
2006-12-14 11:42:50 PM
boomaze: Gods chosen people? What does that make me?

Every religion thinks God chose them to be special, idiot. Why do you make exceptions for Jews?
 
2006-12-14 11:43:03 PM
Executive Monkey: politically-defined geographical region


Exactly, not as an arab nation. Before the Brits came along there was no difference between an arab living on the west side of the jordan and one on the east.
 
2006-12-14 11:43:15 PM
Tatsuma

What do you think Tzefaniah meant when he said, "Therefore wait for me...for the day when I arise?" He was obviously commanding the Jews not to "rebel against the nations," and leave the exile before the time set by Him. The Jews violated this command by establishing Israel by human force before the coming of the moshiach. They also violated it by rebelling against Britain.
 
2006-12-14 11:43:30 PM
I take offence to him

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//landed at omaha on d day
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// 5 SLASHIES111!1
 
2006-12-14 11:43:32 PM
Tatsuma

I love it when germans tell me how shadowy Jewish organizations control governments

If you and people like you keep up acting the way you are, you, and unfortunately your entire people, might be asked to hit the showers again very soon. Which would be a shame.

As for "control", I dindt say that, did I? No! I didnt! I said they have influence and power! Well, how about you comment on that Tatsuma? Does AIPAC have more or less influence in the US, compared to the KKK?

And while you are at it, are you linked to AIPAC in any way Tatsuma?
 
2006-12-14 11:43:36 PM
Say what you will , But david duke might very well be the best Hostile interviewie I have ever seen.


He knows he is going to get hammerd, He knows why news people interview him, He knows he is the poster boy of" negitive influence" when they ask him to come one , Yet he still Kicked wolfs ass.


I personally never had a problem accepting the The " wiped off the face of the map" qote , never thought twice about it.

Duke says something like " i know how it has been misstranslated , he Really said......" Wolf never calls him on it....in fact CNN does what it can get him off the Air As quickly as possible.

All of a Sudden..... I am asking myself , What is wrong with free speach....what if that qoute is incorrect. HELL i want Americas current political mindset Wiped off the map too.....


/I only know what the media feeds me.........
 
2006-12-14 11:43:40 PM
2006-12-14 11:38:35 PMbbcrackmonkey

I'm not disparaging Jews, I'm just pointing out that it has been a broader effort. Added to that, there are other victims in the world.
 
2006-12-14 11:43:49 PM
skrewewe: Actually the Tatsuma is a Jewish forum spambot capable of multi forum simulposts.

Do you boot it by putting a piece of paper inscribed with a Hebrew word into the CD-ROM drive?
 
2006-12-14 11:43:53 PM
bbcrackmonkey: Every religion thinks God chose them to be special, idiot. Why do you make exceptions for Jews?

*whisper* It's racism
 
2006-12-14 11:44:31 PM
czarangelus: But there were people. Millions of people, forcibly pushed from their houses and cities and into hostile foreign nations. The name they have taken for themselves now is Palestinians. They are owed a state. They are owed stability. They are owed compensation.

There was not even a million Arabs who left Israel in 1948.

There was barely a million of Arabs in Israel to begin with, and those who stayed became citizens

For fark's sake, open a history book once in a while

ElRonHubbardsBalls: and you are simply not allowed to mention this basic fact without being tarred as an Anti-Semite.

There are about a thousand "waaah, waaah, someone is going to call me an anti-semite for criticizing Israel" for every "your an antisemite for criticizing Israel".
 
2006-12-14 11:45:40 PM
David Duke pulled a Jack Nicholson.

"You can't handle the truth."

www.cracked.com
 
2006-12-14 11:45:53 PM
MuffinMan8869: well the reason i said that is to stop the, your a racist card/ i'm not racist im a black single mother buddhist from south africa BS.

I'm offended by your racBoobies because I just so happen to be a black single mother buddhist from South Africa. I demand an apology!
 
2006-12-14 11:46:23 PM
I don't think that doing right requires any measure of partisanship.
 
2006-12-14 11:46:27 PM
Tatsuma: It might be because at least 70% of this country backs Israel, you know?

Not if they knew the truth. You racist heartless pig.
 
2006-12-14 11:46:37 PM
Executive Monkey: What do you think Tzefaniah meant when he said, "Therefore wait for me...for the day when I arise?" He was obviously commanding the Jews not to "rebel against the nations," and leave the exile before the time set by Him. The Jews violated this command by establishing Israel by human force before the coming of the moshiach. They also violated it by rebelling against Britain.

Again you are completely wrong

You never even touched any book of the Talmud, and never put your eyes on Shir Hashirim Rabbah, yet you think you think you're going to prove me wrong?

It is very clearly stated in this AGGADAH (and not HALACHA) that this is a bilateral contract between Jews and Goyim and that if the Goyim were to give Jews Eretz Yisrael willingly (which they did) that it would be ok to create a new state
 
2006-12-14 11:46:57 PM
Tatsuma: There was barely a million of Arabs in Israel to begin with, and those who stayed became citizens

For fark's sake, open a history book once in a while


Sorry, sorry.

As a result of this war, about 711,000 Arab refugees were created (according to the United Nations Conciliation Commission for Palestine[2])

Israel only drove hundreds of thousands of people from their homes, cities, and homeland. Thanks for helping me clear that up.
 
2006-12-14 11:47:17 PM
Tatsuma

Hey, funny thing: The Romans renamed the country as "palestine" to remind the Jews of Philistia, the Philistines and remove the Jewish link of the land

The Philistines? The natives that King David massacred? How fitting that the Palestinians are named after them.

The Jews controlled the land of Israel for longer than 300 years.

We were talking about the ancient state of Israel. It existed roughly 300 years.
 
2006-12-14 11:47:21 PM
bbcrackmonkey: I'm offended by your racBoobies because I just so happen to be a black single mother buddhist from South Africa.

How the hell did that sentence get pwned by the filter?
 
2006-12-14 11:47:23 PM
Tats, your definition of Zionism conflicts with every definition I can find online.

Most refer to the movement to create a national homeland for Jews in Palestine. Others talk of support. Most sane people will admit that Israel has a right to exist, but many would disagree with the idea of the movement that created it, or believe in any form of support for the modern nation.

You are not Alice's Caterpillar. When you say a word, it does not mean exactly what you want it to mean. Zionism has meaning beyond "Israel has a right to exist". You twist the word the same way you twist the word anti-semitism, and in doing so, you corrupt the debate.

It's disingenuous at best, and Rovian ratfarkery at worst.
 
2006-12-14 11:47:49 PM
czarangelus: The name they have taken for themselves now is Palestinians. They are owed a state. They are owed stability. They are owed compensation.

a) If they want the benefits of statehood, then they ought to recognize Israel and quit murdering Israelis. b) Then they can have stability, too. c) Compensation, my ass.
 
2006-12-14 11:48:22 PM
ComicBookGuy: I don't really feel like reading the entire thread. Is it a sober discussion about mideast policy?

sober discussion about Mideast policy = oxymoron
 
2006-12-14 11:48:43 PM
consdubya: And while you are at it, are you linked to AIPAC in any way Tatsuma?

I'm an Israeli-paid government bot from the ZOG conspiracy paid by the illuminati to spam forums and convert people to the ideology of KKKzionistNazihitlerIslamophobiaism.

Now, the bot is drunk and it's going to go watch Serenity, fully happy that he gave his last final essay today
 
2006-12-14 11:48:48 PM
In virtually any affiliation you can think of, there are those who are dedicated to doing the right thing. It kind of transcends self promotion.
 
2006-12-14 11:48:50 PM
Corker

Shiat! You're right! I did a quick spell check and it effed it up!

I even have a couple of her books. My wife met her at a campaign stop once, said she was really nice. She met W and Laura too, back in 2000. She tells her kids (she is a teacher) she knows the President and that they'd better behave!
 
2006-12-14 11:48:59 PM
consdubya: If you and people like you keep up acting the way you are, you, and unfortunately your entire people, might be asked to hit the showers again very soon.

Again, I'm gonna ask people to please excuse Consdubya, as he is from Germany and doesn't know any better.

czarangelus: *whisper* It's racism

Maybe he's just pissed because he has go to to Jew-hell when he dies or something.
 
2006-12-14 11:49:09 PM
Damn, I missed all the fun.

Not even any chips left...
 
2006-12-14 11:49:24 PM
Executive Monkey: The Philistines? The natives that King David massacred?


Bible note: for a while David fought on behalf of the Philistines. (This was during Saul's reign.)

Funky, no?
 
2006-12-14 11:49:29 PM
Sunny Ray FTW!
 
2006-12-14 11:49:35 PM
bbcrackmonkey

Hey, ya don't like the Jews, at least you're pretty open about it. But then again, you're a German, so what's new, right?

I have no problem with "the jews", I have a problem with "some" jews. Now if those "some" jews, constantly claim that they represent "the jews", and "the jews" dont defend themselves if they disagree, then yes, I dont like "the jews".

To be more exact, I dont like hardline Israelis, as I believe they are no better than the Nazi's. If they had the chance, they would build camps for the arabs....

Not all Israelis are like this, not all jews are like this.

But lets have a look at what we expect of Islam. We want them to reign in their fundies, otherwise, we have told them, we will consider them fundies as well.

Well, I expect the same of Israelis and Jews, to speak out against the people claiming to speak for them if they disagree, otherwise I will have to assume they all agree.
 
2006-12-14 11:49:36 PM
Churchill2004: Sorry, but the invasion of Iraq wasn't done for the Israelis, nor did the Israelis really even benefit from it.

Yeah because it's not like Saddam was rewarding the families of Palestinian suicide bombers with $25k each.
 
2006-12-14 11:49:55 PM
Executive Monkey: The Philistines? The natives that King David massacred? How fitting that the Palestinians are named after them.

What? The Philistines invaded, they were never native of the land. The Canaanites were

We were talking about the ancient state of Israel. It existed roughly 300 years.

again you're wrong

this is ridiculous
 
2006-12-14 11:50:31 PM
Tatsuma
Zionism is a belief that Israel has a right to exist

Because it is written in a book by a man in the sky, so it must be politcally feasibll on his creation, Earth. And all the races that are not his Chosen will just have to deal with it.

Gods chosen people? What does that make me?

That's Judaism. And that makes you one of G-d's creations, worthy of the World to Come if you behave


Thank you O chosen one, that your god will allow me to heaven also. Forgive me for questioning you before.

Well I'm off the play a little WoW for a while. I'm a dwarf and I read in my holy book that Westfall, even though a bunch of Humans live there now, is my given homeland. Other dwarves lived there 2000 years ago, so i'm gonna get a buch of other dwarves and fark up all the humans that try to tell us otherwise and live there. and then when any of them say we shouldn't be there, I'll say they must have a problem with drawves. Peace.

Oh, and Tats, I never agreed with a lot of your positions, but thought you were a pretty bright guy. I still think your a bright guy, but your Zealotry BLINDS your intellect. thats a dangerous thing, bro. Again, I guess you didn't want to say why you weren't in the ME tonight fighting for your god-given homeland. Just keep calling people anti-semites on fark while other people of all colors and creeds die. The most important thing is Isreal's existance. We are all on the earth to assure it.
 
2006-12-14 11:50:33 PM
nepia: LOUD NOISES! I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!

I LOVE LAMP!
 
2006-12-14 11:50:33 PM
Well. This thread looks familiar. Oh yeah. It might be because we're always replaying the same farkin roles over and over.

For once I would like to see everyone switch sides. It would be so great to see czarangelus acting like the enlightened one he claims to be instead of spouting empty rhetoric like the enraged, misinformed and miseducated dumbass that he really is. Oh, I would also like to see Tatsuma's post filled with humility, caring and compassion for his downtrodden brothers, the Palestinians. Oh what a great sight it would be: all those posts purified from the smugness, the holier-than-thou attitude that makes anyone who agrees with them (which is pretty much everone) wince in discomfort.

Then, maybe then, I could stop posting stupid, self-aware and inflammatory comments.
 
2006-12-14 11:50:43 PM
"it's interesting to me how anti-semitism is the oldest form of racism and keeps managing to redefine itself in a way that makes each contemporary society unsure if it is being reasonable or racist like their ancestors."

That's heavy. Really. We initially find racist views repugnant. But then you start to wonder how irrational they are.
 
2006-12-14 11:50:56 PM
theorellior: How the hell did that sentence get pwned by the filter?

I think because people were trying to circumvent the filter by using the Roman numeral "I" instead of the number 1 when describing their post. So Racist and Post, when taken out of context, become RacBoobies.
 
2006-12-14 11:51:19 PM
Hey everybody, I'm an atheist dedicated to doing what I think is right.

Atheism! Atheism! Atheism!

Not so much.
 
2006-12-14 11:51:49 PM
I love the part when Blitzer lists all the government officials who aren't Jewish.
 
2006-12-14 11:52:41 PM
Pxtl: When you say a word, it does not mean exactly what you want it to mean. Zionism has meaning beyond "Israel has a right to exist". You twist the word the same way you twist the word anti-semitism, and in doing so, you corrupt the debate.

It's disingenuous at best, and Rovian ratfarkery at worst.


Thank you.
 
2006-12-14 11:52:44 PM
boomaze: Thank you O chosen one, that your god will allow me to heaven also. Forgive me for questioning you before.

Nope, buddy, you're going straight to Jew-hell, prick. God sees that dirty uncircumsized cock you've got there, you can't fool him, foreskin-possessor!
 
2006-12-14 11:53:10 PM
(Me): But why should we care what happens to Egypt? I don't mind a bit of moral support for IsStrael or casting the occasional veto in the Security Council, but I'd prefer American dollars to be spent closer to home.

Tatsuma Strategic alliances, dude.

Is it worth three billion dollars a year, though? I don't mind free trade with Israel, including all the bombs and bullets they want to pay cash for to protect themselves, I just don't see how it's very cost effective for use to give them (or Egypt) cash every year. If it's a matter of sharing intelligence or research, a quid pro quo should work just fine. If it really is in the strategic interests of the United States, then great, but if it's a matter of money going to Israel, and then a portion of that money coming back to the United States for politicians' election campaigns, then I'm a little less enamoured by it.
 
2006-12-14 11:53:14 PM
There was barely a million of Arabs in Israel to begin with, and those who stayed became citizens
people don't choose to leave their homes anymore than people would choose to leave thier homes in America.
Frankly, it would never happen.
/By "those who stayed" in Israel, I assume that you mean "those who weren't murdered or driven out by the Israeli military" after the Palestinian Exodus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_exodu
/ I don't mind that we disagree on a lot of things, but I do mind the dishonesty on your part.
 
2006-12-14 11:54:00 PM
Tatsuma

I'm an Israeli-paid government bot from the ZOG conspiracy paid by the illuminati to spam forums and convert people to the ideology of KKKzionistNazihitlerIslamophobiaism.

Instead of not answering the question, you could have just said "yes" or "no".

So are you in any way linked to or have had any dealings with AIPAC?

Yes or no.....
 
2006-12-14 11:54:34 PM
Tatsuma

this is a bilateral contract between Jews and Goyim and that if the Goyim were to give Jews Eretz Yisrael willingly (which they did) that it would be ok to create a new state

Britain founded Israel under coercion from Jewish militias. You know this is true. That violates the oath not to rebel against nations or use human force to establish Israel.
 
2006-12-14 11:54:48 PM
consdubya: To be more exact, I dont like hardline Israelis, as I believe they are no better than the Nazi's.

You really think the Nazis are that bad?
 
2006-12-14 11:54:59 PM
consdubya: Instead of not answering the question, you could have just said "yes" or "no".

So are you in any way linked to or have had any dealings with AIPAC?

Yes or no.....


Wow.
What is this. The Twilight Zone?
 
2006-12-14 11:55:07 PM
consdubya,

You are such a good German.
 
2006-12-14 11:55:27 PM
I blame God,
He didn't create a planet for each of his different religious followers. He had to stick them on one planet. Now if each religion had a planet, than people couldn't have religious differences.

Of course a planet all to myself might be hard to grasp...
 
2006-12-14 11:55:42 PM
Executive Monkey: Britain founded Israel under coercion from Jewish militias. You know this is true. That violates the oath not to rebel against nations or use human force to establish Israel.

Hey, you clown, if you had read any of both sources, you would know the clause was only valid if the nations would not overly persecute the Jews

Guess that "The Holocaust" falls under
 
2006-12-14 11:56:34 PM
Tatsuma: I can't think of a single Jew I know that backed the Iraq War II

I highly doubt that Halliburton discriminates against jews, so there must be some.

and what the fark are you smoking? The Jews controlled the land of Israel for longer than 300 years. I mean, both Temples stood longer than that

fark it, why not have the US give up a chunk of land and migrate Israel over to North America, sure you give up some ancient holy sites, but you gain neighbors who don't lob rockets into towns and strap on a few pounds C4 when they are bored.

I'm serious, the US has land to spare and would save a ton on defense aid, Israel would save a ton on defense and wouldn't have to worry about constant terrorism.

it would also help dispell the "jews control the US OMGWTF ZOG ZOG zionismcoptor" crap asswipes like david duke like to shout whenever they get on TV
 
2006-12-14 11:56:37 PM
Tatsuma: I'm an Israeli-paid government bot from the ZOG conspiracy paid by the illuminati to spam forums and convert people to the ideology of KKKzionistNazihitlerIslamophobiaism.

Sure...just pretend you don't have extensive ties to the Freemasons...

/see ya at Bohemian Grove!
 
2006-12-14 11:57:08 PM
Tatsuma
There never was a "Palestine" country. How can it "no longer" exist?


My head asplodes

Before you take us back to 1400 AD to justify your settlement of the land as Jews, I'll take you back to the time of Abraham who is a the considered the father of Israel, and suprise, suprise, was accordingly to the scriptures was a Muslim. So accordingly to your logic of granting the Israeli terrorities to whom it was rightfully inherited through progeny - You lose.
 
2006-12-14 11:57:09 PM
Executive Monkey: Britain founded Israel under coercion from Jewish militias.

I always thought it was the UN who founded Israel through some type of voting assembly or some such.
 
2006-12-14 11:57:40 PM
I've got news for all of the goyim that blindly support Tatsuma out of guilt or stupidity. He thinks he is superior to you. He is an extremist religious nutjob.
 
2006-12-14 11:58:03 PM
KlumTheFark: I'll take you back to the time of Abraham who is a the considered the father of Israel, and suprise, suprise, was accordingly to the scriptures was a Muslim. So accordingly to your logic of granting the Israeli terrorities to whom it was rightfully inherited through progeny - You lose.

Abraham was a muslim. Wah?
 
2006-12-14 11:58:16 PM
I blame God. What with giving us free will and whatnot.

/Totally took that from Merltech.
 
2006-12-14 11:58:33 PM
Tatsuma: There are about a thousand "waaah, waaah, someone is going to call me an anti-semite for criticizing Israel" for every "your an antisemite for criticizing Israel".

Oh please. Read this entire thread. If you say you are agains the Sharon policies and Zionism it is inferred that you dislike Jewish people. Sometimes it is said outright, sometimes it is not, but it is always there.
 
2006-12-14 11:58:38 PM
KlumTheFark: I'll take you back to the time of Abraham who is a the considered the father of Israel, and suprise, suprise, was accordingly to the scriptures was a Muslim.

LOL!!! What the hell are you talking about dude? 12 years of Catholic school + 2 years of Bible study + 5 years of being a History major, trust me, you're wrong and you're making yourself look stupid. Islam didn't exist until the 7th century AD.
 
2006-12-14 11:58:55 PM
I dont fault Jewish folks for wanting there Own land.


History has told us they have a special way of pissing people off enough to want to just end their entire race of people. Seems like ever few hundred years some one wants to go Jew killing.

Jacking up a group of Arab farmers and makeing a new nation might not have been the best solution in hindsight. I would be a little pissed off too if somebody showed up on my Olive farm that has been in my family for 800 year and start to call it his own. We all know how unstable a group of angry arabs can be.


Israel really needs to get this problem solved and stop talking about it. Weapons keep getting stronger and stronger, soon or later someone is going to get their hands on something that is going to leave a really big hole in the ground.
 
2006-12-14 11:59:23 PM
KlumTheFark

Wow, the signal-to-noise ratio of this thread just hit the shiatter.

Okay, could all those who don't even _try_ to understand the issues at hand here please just STFU?
 
2006-12-14 11:59:23 PM
Abraham was a Muslim?


WTF?
 
2006-12-14 11:59:23 PM
Wow, I love how completely ahistorical Duke's whole rant was. As though a power like the US would be suckered into supporting a tiny little country because they have "all the money" and "control our media". I can just picture the world he's made up for us: where CIA agents are all sitting around watching the news going, "oh man, we should do something!" and then do no further research.

Don't we give Israel tons of money every year? And weapons? Sounds more like the sort of thing the dominant world power does to shore up a very strategically located ally/puppet (depending on the historical circumstance).

As though the US can't have their own stratigic/political/economic ooncerns that would cause them to invade various middle eastern countries. Let me guess. When the Russians did it, it was Israel's idea too. And when the British did it in 1918, what was Israel. And the Turkish conquest. And the Crusades. All at the behest of the Jews. Damned world empires: always under someone else's thumb for reasons that the people arguing these points never actualy explain.

Also:

Tatsuma:
What? I'm pretty sure that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" comes from around the Arabian peninsula...

Is it really from the Persians? I didn't know that! Damn you, random generic history teacher


It is an Arab quote. Not a Persian one. It's attributed to Saladin when he gathered Arab tribes he had been fighting with into an army that followed him, and went to go fight off the 2nd Crusade. At least, I think it was the second. There's a book not 10 feet from me that has the answer. And another one not 2 feet away. But I'm tired and watching hockey so screw it.

/man this is so far down I bet no one's gonna read it
//it's long too
///slashies will make it all better
 
2006-12-14 11:59:27 PM
bbcrackmonkey: I always thought it was the UN who founded Israel through some type of voting assembly or some such.

What gives the UN the right to say what to do with other peoples' land? If the UN said that California belonged to Japan tomorrow, what would you say?
 
2006-12-14 11:59:44 PM
Tatsuma

What? The Philistines invaded, they were never native of the land. The Canaanites were.

The Philistines were natives of the land immediately south of Biblical Israel.

Perhaps the Canaanites were the ancestors of the Palestinians?
 
2006-12-15 12:00:36 AM
Executive Monkey: Therefore, the state of Israel is against Jewish law.

Checkmate.




Look, even if true (and I don't have the expertise to rebut it), isn't that a little too-clever-by-half? I mean, under U.S. law it's unlawful to destroy government property or foment armed insurrection-might that possibly mean that the Boston Tea party and other Revolutionary acts . . . have invalidated America's existence?!!!
 
2006-12-15 12:01:01 AM
KlumtheFark

Ummmm....Islam wasn't formed until the 600s. That would be AD. My main man Abraham was quite a bit earlier. About 3000 years.
 
2006-12-15 12:01:17 AM
Executive Monkey: Perhaps the Canaanites were the ancestors of the Palestinians?


Are you farking serious?

Palestinians are arabs, who came with invading Arab armies after ol' Mo kicked the bucket. Sure, the Arabs intermingled some with the native populations, but by and large they simple replaced them.
 
2006-12-15 12:01:22 AM
czarangelus: What gives the UN the right to say what to do with other peoples' land? If the UN said that California belonged to Japan tomorrow, what would you say?

You can't own property man!
 
2006-12-15 12:01:38 AM
Lehk: fark it, why not have the US give up a chunk of land and migrate Israel over to North America, sure you give up some ancient holy sites, but you gain neighbors who don't lob rockets into towns and strap on a few pounds C4 when they are bored.

We've got TONS of room? Heck, why not just let all of Israel's neighbors move here instead? Canada can help.
 
2006-12-15 12:01:43 AM
In all honesty though Tats, I'm with what you are saying, but I am not with the partisanship. We, quiet atheists, have been here all along. When I say that, I am not excluding anyone else of any other belief or non belief either. Let's just be goal focused.
 
2006-12-15 12:02:20 AM
Tatsuma
Executive Monkey: Britain founded Israel under coercion from Jewish militias. You know this is true. That violates the oath not to rebel against nations or use human force to establish Israel.

Hey, you clown, if you had read any of both sources, you would know the clause was only valid if the nations would not overly persecute the Jews

Guess that "The Holocaust" falls under

So your previous poster was right, but you, like a good zionist, can use the Holocaust to justify anything. You're still doing it today. The Holocaust was horrible, but 200 years from now, mutherfarkers ain't gonna care. It's stupid. And you've got to realize, when you bring up the Talmud or anything, it's like a Muslim bringing up the Koran, or a Christian bringing up the new Testament in a political discussion. It is a work of fiction to everybody but those who chose to believe the shiat.
 
2006-12-15 12:02:38 AM
bbcrackmonkey: Heck, why not just let all of Israel's neighbors move here instead? Canada can help.

Hmm. No thanks.
 
2006-12-15 12:02:52 AM
Executive Monkey: Perhaps the Canaanites were the ancestors of the Palestinians?

The Canaanites were basically related to the Phoenicians, and were extinct by the time Alexander the Great conquered the area.
 
2006-12-15 12:03:43 AM
Although his son is considered the father of the Arab people.

/What can I say? I've done a little reading.
 
2006-12-15 12:03:48 AM
Lionel Mandrake: sober discussion about Mideast policy = oxymoron

So, everyone's drunk? Even the Muslims?
 
2006-12-15 12:04:06 AM
When it first aired, I heard about a minute in the middle of the interview. I was almost intrigued by Duke's comments, until the first time he used the word Zionist.
 
2006-12-15 12:04:41 AM
Tatsuma

Damn, wait, I'm in Seattle right now and it feels like the goddamned wind is gonna blow my apartment building down. Did you sacrifice a few gentile babies to summon your Jehovah's anger because of my posts?

//Sorry, couldn't help it. If your going to be accused of //being anti-semite, go all the way, Borat style,
 
2006-12-15 12:05:07 AM
I would just like to point out that just because it comes from the mouth of a person you hate doesn't mean it's 100% wrong either. Now he's certainly not 100% right, but there are a couple decent points in there.

Limiting freedom of speech is not a statement only about the speaker but that upon society. If something must be banned, denying the holocaust for example, because it would incite widespread destructive belief then the problem is much, much deeper than people would like to admit.
 
2006-12-15 12:05:28 AM
bbcrackmonkey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam

If what you say is true, then Wikipedia are bastards. If not, you are unobjective and bias in assuming that Islam began with Muhammad. But that's not the issue here, I was trying to steer Tatsuma to issue on hand and keep him from doing what he does when it comes to discussing occupation - spinning the entire focus to 50 years ago.

/organized religion is evil.
 
2006-12-15 12:05:33 AM
czarangelus: What gives the UN the right to say what to do with other peoples' land? If the UN said that California belonged to Japan tomorrow, what would you say?

I would say "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"

then I would catch my breath, before saying:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And the Japanese would be mortified that their racially homogenous nation was all-of-a-sudden filled with gaijin.
 
2006-12-15 12:05:41 AM
czarangelus: What gives the UN the right to say what to do with other peoples' land? If the UN said that California belonged to Japan tomorrow, what would you say?

That the Honda offices outside LA are about to get bigger.

/Used to date the daughter of a Stetson theology Prof.
//Absolutely no relevance.
 
2006-12-15 12:05:58 AM
Why doesn't CNN introduce democrat senator Robert Byrd as an ex-klansman?
 
2006-12-15 12:06:25 AM
2006-12-14 11:03:43 PM Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Cheers for that, by the way, it's completely true. I can't think of a single Jew I know that backed the Iraq War II


Elliot Abrams, Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Dov Zakheim, Rudy Boschwitz, Aaron Friedberg, Donald Kagan, Frederick Kagan, Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol, Richard Perle, Norman Podhoretz...
 
2006-12-15 12:06:30 AM

What to your knowledge has David Duke actually done that is more
racist than this:



Haaretz


 

 
2006-12-15 12:07:10 AM
KlumTheFark: you are unobjective and bias in assuming that Islam began with Muhammad.



Hahahahahahahaha!!!!
 
2006-12-15 12:07:20 AM
The only thing he's right about is that no, nobody should be arrested for saying the Holocaust didn't exist. Freedom of speech, baby. Unfortunately for them, they don't live in America where you can. =P Sucks to be them?

Otherwise, both can DIAF.
 
2006-12-15 12:07:21 AM
I just love it how people think religion defines what is rightfully theirs. I mean if Quetzalcoatl said to the Mayans that they have due right to the land, the Spaniards who invaded should have respected Quetzalcoatl's word right?

Right?
 
2006-12-15 12:07:37 AM
bbcrackmonkey: I would say "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"

then I would catch my breath, before saying:


Well, the Arabs weren't laughing, because they didn't have the military power to stop Israel from being founded in that way. The UN is nothing more than a blunt, violent instrument used by rich countries to dick over poor ones. Where is the Muslim nation on the UN security council? There are over a billion Muslims, but no Muslim nation has the power to veto organized insanity in the UN by the Western plutocrats.
 
2006-12-15 12:07:39 AM
I'm just here for the poppin' corn.

/X-Files
 
2006-12-15 12:07:59 AM
Please, leave your religion to your own time, there is good work to be done here.
 
2006-12-15 12:08:03 AM
KlumTheFark: I'll take you back to the time of Abraham who is a the considered the father of Israel, and suprise, suprise, was accordingly to the scriptures was a Muslim.

Oh wow.

Troll? Or idiot?

Both?
 
2006-12-15 12:08:14 AM
I htink you can dislike the actions of israel without being a racist. I think Duke is a racist, who is using israel as a way to push racism.
 
2006-12-15 12:08:29 AM
KlumTheFark: If what you say is true, then Wikipedia are bastards.

Dude, Muslims CLAIM Abraham as one of their prophets, just like they claim Jesus was one of their prophets and call him Isa. Does that mean Jesus was a Muslim?

Islam is a ripoff of Christianity, Judaism, and pre-Mohammed paganism. Man-oh-man, you really need to read up on this stuff. I didn't know how little you really knew about the subject, are you still in high-school? In my college they make you take a "Comparative Study of Religions" class so you don't get embarrassed by this kind of crap when you bring it up.
 
2006-12-15 12:08:30 AM
BudDwyer: Why doesn't CNN introduce democrat senator Robert Byrd as an ex-klansman?

But but.... the liberal media!

You know what. Do us all a favor and RTFA before you post. We're now completely off-topic and your on-topic post is distracting us from the real issues that are at stake: were the Canaanites really related to the Phoenicians? Is Tatsuma the son of God?
 
2006-12-15 12:09:17 AM
Saying Abraham was a Muslim is like saying King David was a Christian.

Not even Christians claim that.
 
2006-12-15 12:09:38 AM
bbcrackmonkey: Dude, Muslims CLAIM Abraham as one of their prophets, just like they claim Jesus was one of their prophets and call him Isa. Does that mean Jesus was a Muslim?

And for some reason, the Christians claim that they're authentically descended from orthodox Judaism, which wants nothing to do with them.
 
2006-12-15 12:10:04 AM
What I do agree with:

Arresting people for saying anything about the Holocaust is stupid. Freedom of speech stands, even for stupid people.
 
2006-12-15 12:10:15 AM
Tatsuma

The Oaths aren't dependent on each other. The Gentiles swore not to persecute the Jews too much, and they broke that Oath. How does that excuse the Jews breaking their oath not to establish Israel by human force, or rebel against the nations? After all, it wasn't Britain that persecuted the Jews.
 
2006-12-15 12:10:29 AM
czarangelus: Where is the Muslim nation on the UN security council?

France in about 80 years ;-)

Until then, the UN will have to stick to talking smack about Israel and passing out food aid to the hungry, studying epidemics, that sort of thing.
 
2006-12-15 12:10:37 AM
Tatsuma Cheers for that, by the way, it's completely true. I can't think of a single Jew I know that backed the Iraq War II

JihadJoe Elliot Abrams, Lewis Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Dov Zakheim, Rudy Boschwitz, Aaron Friedberg, Donald Kagan, Frederick Kagan, Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol, Richard Perle, Norman Podhoretz...

Ha, the joke's on you. All those guys are married.

/just making that up for comedic effect.
 
2006-12-15 12:10:43 AM
Tatsuma: Hey, you clown, if you had read any of both sources, you would know the clause was only valid if the nations would not overly persecute the Jews

Guess that "The Holocaust" falls under


I'm confused, so the clause says "if nation X tries to wipe out Jews, then you're allowed to invade nation Y and found Israel"? I mean hell, Palestine wasn't even a German protectorate.

That sounds disturbingly similar to "Afghanis/Saudis attacked us! Quick, invade Iraq!!!"
 
2006-12-15 12:11:08 AM
Executive Monkey: After all, it wasn't Britain that persecuted the Jews.


Yeah, right...

Persecution of Jews in Europe didn't begin with Adolph Hitler.
 
2006-12-15 12:11:40 AM
god, I tried to watch this and Duke is utterly disgusting. He was practically spitting when he was talking.
 
2006-12-15 12:11:53 AM
Nice to see bbcrackmonkey and Tatsuma kickin ass. Where do you get the energy from? I can't even be bothered anymore.
 
2006-12-15 12:12:12 AM
FYI people:

According to the book(s) Abraham was the father of both Judaism and Islam, the diff was that his wife was Jewish and his bootycall/maid was Muslim.

Which is why we have all this Judaism vs Islam thing today. Both religions are just fighting for their creator's love.
 
2006-12-15 12:12:12 AM
The Jews are indeed a successful people, and predictably that will cause some resentment by those who wish glory to there own culture and people.

Having the right to express your anger towards them is a justifiable request, but is really irrelevant in improving the status of those who are less fortunate.

The idea that if you take from the haves to give to the have nots is flawed because all that is had is had through the efforts of those who act to create. if those who act to create stop, or those that have dont continue to create, then the $ disappears as magically as it appeared in the first place.

Inequality is a major source of resentment. Possibly the main source. Like it or not America will always be hated as long as its in first place, and leadership is meant to be appreciated and welded wisely, not rejected cause the world is filled with stupid people...

The United States is a far richer country than Israel, and the Arabs are crazy with anger because they are so poor and want to blame it on somebody other than themselves.

This would naturally be a concern to the boss(USA) as he would know that kind of resentment would ultimately lead back to his doorstep(religious schools preaching hate is an act of war)

Hasn't the relationship between the Jews and Americans been fruitful to both? Wouldn't it be reasonable to argue that institutions and there members succeed according to the strengths of there ideas?

You could speculate that protestant countries are more democratic and advanced than catholic ones, Buddhists and Hindus have better attitudes then Muslim, then cross reference this with income levels, and voala come up with a theory that might not agree with everything being the same and equal, you may end up with an angry judgmental god....
 
2006-12-15 12:12:16 AM
BudDwyer: Why doesn't CNN introduce democrat senator Robert Byrd as an ex-klansman?

Did he attend a "Holocaust conference" in Tehran recently? Was he interviewed by CNN about the Holocaust recently? No?

Did he leave the Klan over 50 years ago, apologize and denounce them consistently for over 50 years? Yes.

So why would they introduce him as an ex-klansman?
 
2006-12-15 12:12:29 AM
bbcrackmonkey: France in about 80 years ;-)

You may be right about this. I heard it called the 21st century Exodus. It's a mess, all around. But the real problem isn't Islam in France, it's social inequality in France.

Until then, the UN will have to stick to talking smack about Israel and passing out food aid to the hungry, studying epidemics, that sort of thing.

And don't forgot, standing by complicit while Israel and the United States attack sovereign nations, fund terrorism, conduct illegal research....
 
2006-12-15 12:13:21 AM
czarangelus: And for some reason, the Christians claim that they're authentically descended from orthodox Judaism, which wants nothing to do with them.

Silly ain't it? The Jews wouldn't convert or listen to them so they stuck to converting Roman plebians and slaves instead.
 
2006-12-15 12:13:28 AM
Klumthefark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_of_Islam

If what you say is true, then Wikipedia are bastards. If not, you are unobjective and bias in assuming that Islam began with Muhammad. But that's not the issue here, I was trying to steer Tatsuma to issue on hand and keep him from doing what he does when it comes to discussing occupation - spinning the entire focus to 50 years ago


I don't trust Wikipedia or Tatsuma for accurate information. What else are you throw at me to prove your point? You are one crazy-woman.
 
2006-12-15 12:13:44 AM
KlumtheFark Freaking hilarious. You should get paid for this stuff.
 
2006-12-15 12:14:01 AM
It looks like I've bested Tatsuma in an argument about Jewish law.
 
2006-12-15 12:14:29 AM
czaeangelus

Wellllllll, back then it was just Judaism. They didn't have all those denominations like they do now. And Christianity is/was an offshoot of the Jewish faith, as all the early dude were Jewish. Until the Saul/Paul conversion and then he kinda said, hey bring in the goyim.

There is a book on this somewhere...
 
2006-12-15 12:14:58 AM
czarangelus: And don't forgot, standing by complicit while Israel and the United States attack sovereign nations, fund terrorism, conduct illegal research....

They don't stand complicit so much as impotent, and they stand impotent at a lot more than that. I mean c'mon, Darfur? Rwanda? Congo? Burma?
 
2006-12-15 12:15:05 AM
czarangelus: And don't forgot, standing by complicit while Israel and the United States attack sovereign nations, fund terrorism, conduct illegal research....

Complicit? WTF are you talkin about? The ONU's impotent but it is vocal in its disapproval of Israel's and U.S.'s actions.
 
2006-12-15 12:15:12 AM
I kinda forgot what we've been arguing about.
 
2006-12-15 12:15:28 AM
It probably doesn't help the image of the state of Louisiana that a former KKK imperial wizard and convicted felon (15 months in prison for tax evasion and mail fraud) was in their state House. Honestly, in any normal state, all someone would have to run for their advertisements if they were running against this guy is: "hey, this guy was in the KKK" and they would win. But not in Louisiana apparently.
 
2006-12-15 12:16:22 AM
Executive Monkey

Na, you've only temporarily drained his Jewfu.
 
2006-12-15 12:16:45 AM
czarangelus: Where is the Muslim nation on the UN security council? There are over a billion Muslims, but no Muslim nation has the power to veto [blah, blah, blah] . . . .



Hey czar, it took Señor Google like 5 seconds to determine that, at least right now, the UN security council has got Qatar and Tanzania, which appears to have a Muslims plurality. The Security Council is swimmin' in Muslim representation!

Special note: no Israel on the Council.
 
2006-12-15 12:16:49 AM
pvd021
We're a darling to the world because America is the land of Opportunity. Think about it. Its the only place in the world where a middle class guy or a lower class guy can afford to have certain luxuries, that a person within the same class wouldn't be able to imagine. In America, you can come from nothing and achieve anything. That's the beauty of this country. It theoretically gives everyone an option/opportunity and with the right work ethic and mindset. You'll be able to obtain and achieve anything.

For fark's farking sake, what in the name of farking fark are you farking smoking? Have you ever been out of your mother's bsement, you narrow-minded cretin? You can do what you state above in, oh, pretty much all of Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Asia, South and Central America... Seriously, take the American-flag blinkers off, you ignorant prick. America is the "darling of the world" in the same way Paris Hilton is the darling of the media: 'cos we all like to laugh at tards.
 
2006-12-15 12:16:56 AM
Easterned: I don't trust Wikipedia or Tatsuma for accurate information.

Both are relatively accurate sources of information.

Wikipedia has Abraham in "Prophets of Islam" because Muslims claim he was one of their prophets and claim that their religion is descended from Christianity and Judaism, so it is technically correct in that aspect.

/Wikipedian
 
2006-12-15 12:17:11 AM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: Complicit? WTF are you talkin about? The ONU's impotent but it is vocal in its disapproval of Israel's and U.S.'s actions.

Vocal. They're vocal. Well, that's not helping people getting bombed, poisoned, enslaved, tortured, or otherwise having their human dignity stripped from them by Israel and the United States. Everyone knows that these countries commit these acts, in public and on a grand scale.
 
2006-12-15 12:17:32 AM
Quel.........


Its painfully obvious you dont understand the great State of Louisiana
 
2006-12-15 12:18:17 AM
What were we arguing about anyway?
 
2006-12-15 12:18:24 AM
Smirkles: Hey czar, it took Señor Google like 5 seconds to determine that, at least right now, the UN security council has got Qatar and Tanzania, which appears to have a Muslims plurality. The Security Council is swimmin' in Muslim representation!

No permanent seat, for a billion people.
 
2006-12-15 12:20:32 AM
czarangelus: No permanent seat, for a billion people.

India would like to have a word with you.
 
2006-12-15 12:20:48 AM
FLoridaDon
Its painfully obvious you dont understand the great State of Louisiana


I view that as a compliment:). Would take a sick mind to understand that.
 
2006-12-15 12:20:49 AM
Really, I'm at a farking loss here.
 
2006-12-15 12:21:13 AM
BudDwyer: Why doesn't CNN introduce democrat senator Robert Byrd as an ex-klansman?

Did he attend a "Holocaust conference" in Tehran recently? Was he interviewed by CNN about the Holocaust recently? No?

Did he leave the Klan over 50 years ago, apologize and denounce them consistently for over 50 years? Yes.

So why would they introduce him as an ex-klansman?


Because is IS an ex-klansman and he STILL calls people the n word.
 
2006-12-15 12:21:17 AM
I can't believe Hillary Clinton used to date this guy. No wonder Barak Obama hates her.
 
2006-12-15 12:21:25 AM
bbcrackmonkey

Wikipedia has Abraham in "Prophets of Islam" because Muslims claim he was one of their prophets and claim that their religion is descended from Christianity and Judaism

That's not quite accurate. Muslims believe that Abraham was told the message of Islam, but the message was corrupted for political reasons. So, God sent Islam to Jesus, and Jesus preached it, but the truth was corrupted in the Bible, again for political reasons. So, God had to send Islam a third time, this time to Mohammed. The message was finally transcribed accurately in the Koran, so there was no need for another prophet.
 
2006-12-15 12:21:44 AM
All Apologies: What were we arguing about anyway?

I believe we were talking about David Duke and why somebody should pull a cord from one ear to his other ear and floss his brain.
 
2006-12-15 12:21:48 AM
bbcrackmonkey: India would like to have a word with you.

Why doesn't India have a seat? It's straight economics.
 
2006-12-15 12:21:52 AM
Churchill2004: Not even Christians claim that.

czarangelus: There was no Palestine and no palestine identity before 1969...

There was a region of the eastern med. known as 'Palestine' for a HELL of a lot longer than any nation/region known as 'Israel' existed.

It is ignorant or disingenuous to claim that there is no 'Palestine', while you have to stretch back to what, 800BC or so to find a 'Israel' on the map? (Prior to the current one, of course.)

Regardless, it's a moot point. Israel is losing population (and that last batch of Russian Jews didn't work out all that well), while it's neighbors are increasing their populations. Won't be an 'Israel' for more than another generation or so.
 
2006-12-15 12:22:17 AM
czarangelus: No permanent seat, for a billion people.

Same with India.

Permanent seats = WWII winnarz
 
2006-12-15 12:22:19 AM
Executive Monkey: That's not quite accurate. Muslims believe that Abraham was told the message of Islam, but the message was corrupted for political reasons. So, God sent Islam to Jesus, and Jesus preached it, but the truth was corrupted in the Bible, again for political reasons. So, God had to send Islam a third time, this time to Mohammed. The message was finally transcribed accurately in the Koran, so there was no need for another prophet.

Ok cool, thanks for clearing that up.
 
2006-12-15 12:22:34 AM
In this thread I, Executive Monkey, did prove that Israel is against Jewish law because it was established in violation of the Three Oaths.
 
2006-12-15 12:22:35 AM
The reason is that those billion people like to blow shiat up. And they are not one country. They are many.

Hey listen, man, seriously. Do you read? Like a newspaper or a history book or anything? You are really making an ass of yourself.
 
2006-12-15 12:22:56 AM
czarangelus: Vocal. They're vocal. Well, that's not helping people getting bombed, poisoned, enslaved, tortured, or otherwise having their human dignity stripped from them by Israel and the United States. Everyone knows that these countries commit these acts, in public and on a grand scale.

So what would you like them to do? Take military actions against the U.S. or Israel?
 
2006-12-15 12:23:28 AM
czarangelus: No permanent seat, for a billion people.


Who gets a permanent seat on the UNSC is determined by military power. The UN is not, and never was intended to be, a democratic institution.

The US, the UK, France, Russia, and China are currently the most powerful nations on the planet. Thus, militarily enforcing UNSC resolutions falls to them. That's why they have a veto.
 
2006-12-15 12:23:30 AM
Churchill2004: Palestinians are arabs, who came with invading Arab armies after ol' Mo kicked the bucket. Sure, the Arabs intermingled some with the native populations, but by and large they simple replaced them.

I missed the first part of this, but are you trying to imply that there were no Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula until some migration that you say happened after around 700? Are you insane? Arabs are a Semitic people, and Semitic people have always been in that area. That's where they're from. I can't stress how unbelievably stupid trying to insist the Arabs aren't native to the middle east is. It's like insisting there's no cream in ice cream.

Maybe I misunderstood.
 
2006-12-15 12:23:47 AM
Tatsuma: I'm an Israeli-paid government bot from the ZOG conspiracy paid by the illuminati to spam forums and convert people to the ideology of KKKzionistNazihitlerIslamophobiaism.

Now, the bot is drunk and it's going to go watch Serenity, fully happy that he gave his last final essay today


I always figured you where a golem running on a cham =P

//Kidding, props to you.
 
2006-12-15 12:23:59 AM
"the Jewish Times of Los Angeles"

"you are an agent of Zionsism. you worked for AIPAC"

"people can find information. davidduke.com davidduke.com"


words cannot describe that kind of entertainment. right click+save
 
2006-12-15 12:24:16 AM
Late, but wow, What a schmuck. I remember the election b/w him and Edwards. Man, that was a great year to be Louisianan.

My dad used to debate him in Free Speech Alley at LSU.

schmuck
 
2006-12-15 12:24:24 AM
Wow, Duke sounds exactly like all the wacko leftists I've heard re: the Iraq war/ Israel/ "neo-cons" (meaning jews).

Oh, and the icing on the cake is the that the Democratic party has a sitting Senator who is a former Imperial Grand Whatever of the KKK, while the Demorats accuse the GOP of being racists and nazis.
 
2006-12-15 12:24:27 AM
Executive Monkey: In this thread I, Executive Monkey, did prove that Israel is against Jewish law because it was established in violation of the Three Oaths.

Wow. You should go on TV and spread the truth.
 
2006-12-15 12:24:51 AM
czarangelus: Why doesn't India have a seat? It's straight economics.

Or maybe "it's straight India didn't exist when the permanent seats were assigned."
 
2006-12-15 12:25:47 AM
Detroit_Bob: There was a region of the eastern med. known as 'Palestine' for a HELL of a lot longer than any nation/region known as 'Israel' existed.


Yes, there was. However, there was never an arab nation known as "Palestine", nor were there any claims to one before Israel came along.

That's like saying that the United States is oppresing Appalachia, because the region has been known as Appalachia for a really long time.
 
2006-12-15 12:25:51 AM
I nominate Singapore to be the Muslim nation with a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. Chew on that for a moment. Western friendly, relations with Israel, non-Arab, secular.
 
2006-12-15 12:26:04 AM
Tatsuma: Cheers for that, by the way, it's completely true. I can't think of a single Jew I know that backed the Iraq War II

Jerry's deli pumps Faux news 24/7. Just sayin.
 
2006-12-15 12:26:19 AM
I dunno, let's all go off script and say the first thing that comes to mind,
 
2006-12-15 12:26:38 AM
I reckon the Israelis behave like animals, thus they should be treated as such.

If the Israelis cannot control their settlers, they will have to wear the attacks they get as a result.

Why can the Israelis not just move to Canada?

All of these arguments may seem racist and anti-semitic, but all I did was replace the word "Palestinians" for "Israelis". Oh, and "Canada" instead for "Other Arab Countries".

If the Israelis are going to treat the palestinians as sub-human, the Israelis might just find that they will be treated as sub-humans by others.

Karma Israel..... Karma.....
 
2006-12-15 12:26:52 AM
proleboy: I missed the first part of this, but are you trying to imply that there were no Arabs in the Arabian Peninsula until some migration that you say happened after around 700? Are you insane? Arabs are a Semitic people, and Semitic people have always been in that area. That's where they're from. I can't stress how unbelievably stupid trying to insist the Arabs aren't native to the middle east is. It's like insisting there's no cream in ice cream.

Maybe I misunderstood.


Yes, you did misunderstand. I was talking about Palestine/Judea, not Arabia.
 
2006-12-15 12:26:58 AM
Man, as far as who was there first, it was so long ago- it doesn't matter except to people who need a reason to fight.
 
2006-12-15 12:27:10 AM
consdubya

"have still not managed to integrate with wider society in a way that enables them not to be killed off every 100 years or so?"

I can tell you why. They make up a small portion of the population of every country they exist in other then Israel. This makes them easy to persecute. Same boat the gypsy's find them selves in, it's not a nice one.

This is really just group dynamics. In order to maintain control over the group (German People) the leader (Hitler) had to rally the people around a common enemy that could bear all the responsibility for Germany's problems. This wound up being primarily the Jews but also the communists, the gypsies, the gays, the disabled the British... well, you get the point. Basically everybody but the Nazi's

Second, they don't accept Jesus as the savior.

Also, I don't know what you mean by managed to integrate into society? Which society are you talking about? Because the German Jews before the holocaust where integrated. The Jews in Canada and the states are. Western europian Jews tend to be as well.

And what exactly did the Jews do to deserve the holocaust?

Now, if you're talking about looking at what the victim has done, lets look at what the Jews did to the Germans... nothing.

The Germans blamed the Jews for all their problems, then proceeded to deal with the alleged "root" of all their issues. It's actually very similar to widely held views in the Arab world, where people like that al jazeera editor honestly believe if Israel went away schools in morocco would improve and the health care system in Jordan would be better. What they have done is placed all responsibility for their own cultures short comings on an outside group, and as such the outside group becomes sub-human, a demonic figure responsible for all you're peoples suffering.

It's clearly visible in German propaganda, and Arab propaganda. You'll also find a habit of placing *all* responsibility on somebody else (be it the infidels, the american pig-dogs or the filthy jews) instead of taking responsibility for the negative aspects of a culture that doesn't respect free speech or womens rights.

Surprisingly enough you won't find demonic representations of the Arab people in the Jewish press.
 
2006-12-15 12:27:14 AM
Churchill2004: Who gets a permanent seat on the UNSC is determined by military power. The UN is not, and never was intended to be, a democratic institution.

It exists as a tool that rich, powerful nations use to torment small, weak ones. They're all colluding together - France, the USA, Russia, China, Britain... they're all the same thing. Philip K. Dick was right - the Empire never ended.
 
2006-12-15 12:27:25 AM
czaeangeleus

Seriously, dude. Read a book. Farkers are killing you, man. It's not a fair fight. Not even close.
 
2006-12-15 12:27:42 AM
proleboy: Maybe I misunderstood.

You did, he's saying the Palestinians are Arabs that came from Arabia after the Muslims conquered the area from the Byzantine Empire.
 
2006-12-15 12:29:08 AM
img204.imageshack.us

No comment necessary.
 
2006-12-15 12:29:20 AM
mdalli: Oh, and the icing on the cake is the that the Democratic party has a sitting Senator who is a former Imperial Grand Whatever of the KKK, while the Demorats accuse the GOP of being racists and nazis.

More icing: The former KKK Dem quit the organization over 50 years ago and has denounced them and apologized for his membership consistently since then, but the good "Christian" folks in the GOP won't forgive him.
 
2006-12-15 12:29:28 AM
it doesn't matter except to people who need a reason to fight.

Racquetball, man. I challenge everyone to a game of racquetball.

/I keed. Fight on!
 
2006-12-15 12:29:46 AM
Detroit_Bob: it's a moot point. Israel is losing population (and that last batch of Russian Jews didn't work out all that well), while it's neighbors are increasing their populations. Won't be an 'Israel' for more than another generation or so



Geez. Then maybe we ought to do more to help Israel expand.

/Syria: Israel II?
//Plus, hasn't Jordan lately been getting just a little bit too cocky?
///Israeli occupation of the East Bank, anyone?
 
2006-12-15 12:29:57 AM
TenaciousDMZ: Seriously, dude. Read a book. Farkers are killing you, man. It's not a fair fight. Not even close.

Shhhh. It's fun to have him around. We can pretend to be intellectual giants.
 
2006-12-15 12:30:06 AM
consdubya: I reckon the Israelis behave like animals, thus they should be treated as such.

Would it be ethical to own a pet Jew? I want Tatsuma! Don't worry Tats, I've got a big litter box and I'm really warm and snuggly.
 
2006-12-15 12:30:08 AM
czarangelus: It exists as a tool that rich, powerful nations use to torment small, weak ones. They're all colluding together - France, the USA, Russia, China, Britain... they're all the same thing. Philip K. Dick was right - the Empire never ended.

Uh, no. It makes perfect sense for the nations that are going to have to put their soldiers on the line to enforce UN resolutions get a veto.

As for the Big 5 colluding, I suggest you come out from under you rock. They rarely agree on anything.
 
2006-12-15 12:30:13 AM
Why is my Coca Cola Kosher?? Wheres my choice to NoN Kosher Coke?.. There is none.. Who rules this country? LOL
 
2006-12-15 12:30:46 AM
Wow. You should go on TV and spread the truth.

Yeah, we should, but cant as TV is controlled by the Jews! ;)

It is true that according to their own teachings, Israel has no right to exist. I dont agree with those teachings, and actually do believe Israel has a right to exist. But it does mean there will be no "greater Israel". It also means that Israel needs to be greatful for being allowed to exist, and should start acting that way.
 
2006-12-15 12:31:15 AM
czarangelus: Philip K. Dick was right - the Empire never ended.

That's it. Now I know for certain that you're a troll!
 
2006-12-15 12:31:29 AM
Few things:

-Borat and Duke have a lot to talk about.

-Everyone knows its only PC to bash muslims on TV, if anyone, and thats only in certain cases.

-David Duke is a moron/bigot/idiot and anyone who agrees with him, even though he simply repeated the oft-stated criticism of neocons made by countless others, is a cross-burning, racist, anti-semite.
 
2006-12-15 12:31:41 AM
"This conference allowed the freedom of expression on this issue."

WTF? Iran allowing the "freedom of expression"?
 
2006-12-15 12:31:46 AM
Executive Monkey: I, Executive Monkey, did prove that Israel is against Jewish law


Maybe. Actually, I doubt it.

But for the reason I gave above, even if true, who cares? Most nations, if not every nation, were founded on acts contrary to their set of laws.
 
2006-12-15 12:32:05 AM
Churchill2004: That's like saying that the United States is oppresing Appalachia, because the region has been known as Appalachia for a really long time.

Well we did have a little incident with the American South, but we settled it in a civilized manner, by shooting people until they decided their little region wasn't a country anymore.
 
2006-12-15 12:32:07 AM
CelticFrost: Why is my Coca Cola Kosher??


Because you'd have to go out of your way to make Coke not kosher?

Because gentiles don't care if their Coke is kosher or not?
 
2006-12-15 12:32:15 AM
Churchill2004: As for the Big 5 colluding, I suggest you come out from under you rock. They rarely agree on anything.

They rarely publically agree on anything. But don't you imagine that all the important business is done behind closed doors, anyway?
 
2006-12-15 12:32:19 AM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers

He is not, he is an idealistic philosophy major who has yet to experience the world. Be kind, for he is young.
 
2006-12-15 12:32:22 AM
the real questions is
why.....


You can not even take a casual look at history with out finding people that want to Kill Jews.
 
2006-12-15 12:32:53 AM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: That's it. Now I know for certain that you're a troll!

Nope, even worse, he's a Philosophy major.
 
2006-12-15 12:32:54 AM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: That's it. Now I know for certain that you're a troll!

If I'm a troll, this is news to me.
 
2006-12-15 12:33:13 AM
Late to the party but I have to chime in here.

I was honored to vote against David Duke (and for convicted Edwin Edwards) when they ran against each other for Governor of Louisiana.

Ny favorite bumper sticker was

"Vote for the Crook, It's Important!"
 
2006-12-15 12:33:32 AM
czarangelus: They rarely publically agree on anything. But don't you imagine that all the important business is done behind closed doors, anyway?



OMG INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRAZEEEEEE!!!!1111
 
2006-12-15 12:33:53 AM
CelticFrost: Why is my Coca Cola Kosher?? Wheres my choice to NoN Kosher Coke?.. There is none.. Who rules this country? LOL

Coca Cola rules this country. F*ck you, Pepsi!
 
2006-12-15 12:35:02 AM
BoozePenguin: He is not, he is an idealistic philosophy major who has yet to experience the world. Be kind, for he is young.

I don't think it should be idealism to believe that people who make our products deserve a higher standard of living than slave labor. I don't think it should be idealism to think that a janitor should make enough money to raise his kids and feed them right and spend time with them.
 
2006-12-15 12:35:04 AM
And czarangelus, I know that there were a lot of very famous philosophy majors, I'm just poking fun at ya :-)
 
2006-12-15 12:36:17 AM
Does anyone have any recommendations on a relatively non-biased documentary about the Israel-Palastine conflict (like 1948 to Oslo agreement timeperiod).

I would like to know more of the story, but virtually every (non-wikipedia) source seems to have a clear agenda one way or the other.
 
2006-12-15 12:36:25 AM
Man, reading this thread was like watching a bunch of fat men on a diet fight over a snickers bar.
 
2006-12-15 12:36:43 AM
bbcrackmonkey: Coca Cola rules this country. F*ck you, Pepsi!

Don't worry, I'm sure US Alliance will come back with some sort of amazing campaign to put Team Advantage in it's place.

//Obscure on fark?
 
2006-12-15 12:37:32 AM
czarangelus: I don't think it should be idealism to think that a janitor should make enough money to raise his kids and feed them right and spend time with them.


I don't think people who are raising kids should be employed as janitors to begin with. Some jobs are meant for people who support only themselves.
 
2006-12-15 12:37:33 AM
Churchill2004
OMG INTERNATIONAL CONSPIRAZEEEEEE!!!!1111


Almost spit beer over my monitor. Thats exactly what I wanted to say in a reply, but it wasnt quite as funny when I was typing it.
 
2006-12-15 12:37:42 AM
BoozePenguin: He is not, he is an idealistic philosophy major who has yet to experience the world. Be kind, for he is young.

Well, really, don't you think that he plays the part a little too perfectly? He really is a walkin' and talkin' stereotype. Look at that:

czarangelus: They rarely publically agree on anything. But don't you imagine that all the important business is done behind closed doors, anyway?

Now, you see, that's what I was talking about. He sounds like a teenage, pot-smoking, "wow I've just discovered that maybe, maybe, uhhhhh, oh damn I forgot, oh yeah, I got it, there's a NEW WORLD ORDER man! And they control everything man!", dumbass.

It's too perfect.
 
2006-12-15 12:38:37 AM
Quel: Almost spit beer over my monitor. Thats exactly what I wanted to say in a reply, but it wasnt quite as funny when I was typing it.


I aim to please.

And to not get it in her eye, but that's a different story.
 
2006-12-15 12:39:01 AM
Newmans Own: I would like to know more of the story, but virtually every (non-wikipedia) source seems to have a clear agenda one way or the other.

Wikipedia is good, but just read the story from both biased sides and try to sift through the bullshiat.
 
2006-12-15 12:40:00 AM
Boozepenguin

You seem like a nice guy, why, I think I'll let you fark my sister.

Pockets of incomplete information is always dangerous

or are you using customized these?

img279.imageshack.us
 
2006-12-15 12:40:37 AM
Churchill2004: I don't think people who are raising kids should be employed as janitors to begin with. Some jobs are meant for people who support only themselves.

Well, it's going to be your head on the chopping block, not mine, when all those millions of janitors and cooks and floor scrubbers decide that they deserve a better life than entitled pricks believe they deserve.
 
2006-12-15 12:40:59 AM
Holy cow. Was that interview on Earth? My Earth? Please. Venus, maybe. But Earth?
 
2006-12-15 12:41:04 AM
czarangelus

You just mentioned 2 widely held values. Of course nobody likes slave labor, and of course everybody wants that janitor to feed his kid. I was referring to you're somewhat more ridiculous statements, such as claiming america has free speech restrictions because you cant say "fark you" to a cop, or that the police in America are comparable to armed militias of the middle east. I've also watched you tell a Lebanese guy who lived through the civil war their that you know Hezballah better then he does.

The list goes on and on my friend.

Oh, also if you were really idealistic about helping third world children you'd be making alot of you're own shiat,wouldn't you? Or at least be making sure everything you bought came from first world sources?
 
2006-12-15 12:41:08 AM
And lest I be accused of making it up:

From the Israeli 'Ministry of Immigrant Absorption': http://www.moia.gov.il/english/netunim/sikum.asp

Not counting the blip of the post-Soviet Russian immigrants, immigration is down by 2/3rds since 2000, while, again per the Israeli .gov: http://www.cbs.gov.il/yarhon/e1_e.htm , Israel has been a net exporter of Jews since 2003.

They should snatch Fienstein, Schumer, and the fundies. ON SALE NOW!!!11
 
2006-12-15 12:41:13 AM
BoozePenguin

I can tell you why. They make up a small portion of the population of every country they exist in other then Israel. This makes them easy to persecute.

Yes, this is true. But explain why french people are not persecuted in coutries other than france?

The jewish culture involves them segregating themselves, and living slightly to the side of the mainstream. They segregate themselves, and indeed, when you segregate yourself, you become a target for people that are looking for a scapegoat.

As for Jews integrating in Germany, obiously not enough, as they were still able to be easily identified.

The jewish culture is to stick to other jews, help other jews and work with other jews. This often results in people who are not jews feeling excluded, and getting irrational and angry as a result.

I dont know what it is, but for some reason every jew I have ever met has been very good with money, almost bordering on stinginess or greed. This is also a bit of a stereotype, but a partially true one.

So basically, if you refuse to work closely with people who are not the same as you, and as a result you and the people that are the same as you profit, the people that are not the same as you will take offence. Its human nature.

All I am saying, is that maybe the jews need to change parts of their culture to fit into the modern world better.

We expect Islam to do so....
 
2006-12-15 12:42:41 AM
czarangelus: Well, it's going to be your head on the chopping block, not mine, when all those millions of janitors and cooks and floor scrubbers decide that they deserve a better life than entitled pricks believe they deserve.

What the heck did they teach you at your farkin' university? What courses have you taken? This is insane!
 
2006-12-15 12:43:36 AM
czarangelus: Well, it's going to be your head on the chopping block, not mine, when all those millions of janitors and cooks and floor scrubbers decide that they deserve a better life than entitled pricks believe they deserve


Mine?

What makes you think I'm an "entitled prick"?

You're the one who can afford to get a master's degree in philosphy, of all things.


Besides, I think we've seen that kind of revolution happen before. In fact, it happens all the time. Go read "Animal Farm" to see why it never works.
 
2006-12-15 12:43:40 AM
Churchill2004: Yes, there was. However, there was never an arab nation known as "Palestine", nor were there any claims to one before Israel came along.

Same thing with Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia...

They were all created by the British. And Syria, Jordan and the Mandate of Palistine were all created out of the region of Palistine. The people had always been there; and in various states of self-rule/imperial domination.

It's as though, just because they didn't have nation states, the west assumes they had no right to the land. You see the same thing with the American Indians. They didn't have European style nation states so we didn't take anything.

There would have been a claim to a Palisitinan nation without Israel. It's just that the very second the British left, the Jewish militants siezed British police stations and annexed themselves a section of Palistine; which the British explicitly created. (I say "Jewish militants" because there was no Israel yet so I can't call them Israelis.)

So, the British created a nation of Palistine just like the created a nation of Syria and a nation of Lebanon and a nation of Jordan. It's just that militants siezed a large part of it after the British left, and now insist it isn't real.
 
2006-12-15 12:44:58 AM
czarangelus: Well, it's going to be your head on the chopping block, not mine, when all those millions of janitors and cooks and floor scrubbers decide that they deserve a better life than entitled pricks believe they deserve.

Then we better start having the public schools teach very poor firearm safety training and ineffectual hand to hand tactics, then when the revolt comes we won't have such a hard fight.

I'm kidding, but given the current division is America do you really think any group could get over it's prejudice long enough to form a coherent revolution?
 
2006-12-15 12:45:05 AM
bbcrackmonkey

Would it be ethical to own a pet Jew? I want Tatsuma! Don't worry Tats, I've got a big litter box and I'm really warm and snuggly

A pet jew? Nah, more trouble than they are worth. Sure, your litterbox is really big, but it will never be big enough for a pet jew. He will end up building settlements on your couch, and eventually try to force you out of your home altogether....
 
2006-12-15 12:45:12 AM
czarangelus

"Well, it's going to be your head on the chopping block, not mine, when all those millions of janitors and cooks and floor scrubbers decide that they deserve a better life than entitled pricks believe they deserve."

Sorry dude, but anyone who can afford a philosophy major has got to be entitled . You didn't really go into debt to study a discipline with 0 job prospects in the future, did you?

And what sort fo education do you need to be a janitor? You can do that job as a high school drop out. Doctors make more money because they have to go to school for a very long time and generally go into debt to become doctors. They best be able to make back the money they invested in their education once they graduate.
 
2006-12-15 12:45:34 AM
So does Duke have a Jew/JFK conspiracy theory?
 
2006-12-15 12:45:38 AM
i14.tinypic.com

Great you assholes, do you know where were at?
 
2006-12-15 12:46:08 AM
Churchill2004: Besides, I think we've seen that kind of revolution happen before. In fact, it happens all the time.

For instance, the French Revolution or the American Revolution. Not every liberation movement goes the direction of the Bolsheviks.

Mine?

What makes you think I'm an "entitled prick"?

You're the one who can afford to get a master's degree in philosphy, of all things.


I believe that janitors should be able to afford a decent life. You don't. That's why you're an entitled prick - you think that you're so much better than a janitor that he doesn't deserve such a thing.
 
2006-12-15 12:49:42 AM
consdubya: A pet jew? Nah, more trouble than they are worth. Sure, your litterbox is really big, but it will never be big enough for a pet jew. He will end up building settlements on your couch, and eventually try to force you out of your home altogether....

Oh snap! I'll have to put him up for adoption then, or send him to Jew-Training-School to teach him how to be an obedient Jew. Then he can have his chew-toys and dreidls back.
 
2006-12-15 12:49:56 AM
czarangelus: French Revolution

blogs.zdnet.com
www.almaden.ibm.com

Yeah, bad example.


American Revolution

Which had nothing to do with the class struggle you're talking about.


I believe that janitors should be able to afford a decent life.

I believe that "janitor" shouldn't be a career.

You don't.

Keep your words out of my mouth, please. I don't swing that way.

That's why you're an entitled prick - you think that you're so much better than a janitor that he doesn't deserve such a thing

www.z-builder.com
 
2006-12-15 12:49:57 AM
grot

Such strong words from an asshole that would be beaten if he had said this of another nation and was a citizen of another nation. Strong words. Its morons like you, that makes the Constitution so unbelievably great. Because even a moron like you can have your opinion stated.
 
2006-12-15 12:50:01 AM
Churchill2004

You are wrong about the members of the UNSC, the ones who hold a permanent seat are there because they were the founders of the UN after WW2.
 
2006-12-15 12:50:49 AM
consdubya: The jewish culture involves them segregating themselves, and living slightly to the side of the mainstream. They segregate themselves, and indeed, when you segregate yourself, you become a target for people that are looking for a scapegoat.
. . .

The jewish culture is to stick to other jews, help other jews and work with other jews. This often results in people who are not jews feeling excluded, and getting irrational and angry as a result.

I dont know what it is, but for some reason every jew I have ever met has been very good with money, almost bordering on stinginess or greed. This is also a bit of a stereotype, but a partially true one.



Tell me about it! The other day, right, I saw these Jews . . . all hanging out together in the Jewish temple. I couldn't believe it. I mean, they weren't headin' to the Catholic church or minglin' with the Presbyterians or patronizing the Methodists' house of the worship-or even going under Baptist waters. The nerve of them!

And, like, the other day I came across this Jew, right? (He must have strayed from a big Jew caravan, you know, 'cause they all stick together like crazy Jewish Gypsies.) And he was hangin' out-get this-with his Jewish wife and family. Uh-huh, you heard that right: not his Mormon or Buddhist relatives, his Jewish ones.

Sick!
 
2006-12-15 12:51:03 AM
con
The jewish culture is to stick to other jews, help other jews and work with other jews. This often results in people who are not jews feeling excluded, and getting irrational and angry as a result.

Isn't this suspiciously similiar to the Nazi philososphy??

Klumthefark

Too funny, I suspect you are a columnist on HuffPost. Have I rooted you out?
 
2006-12-15 12:51:30 AM
"Yes, this is true. But explain why french people are not persecuted in coutries other than france?"

The French are not a religious minority. Also, as a minority in British north america they *were persecuted*. You know who the french speakers in louisiana are, right? Deported frenchies.

And also what *exactly* is it about /jewish culture that says they must segregate? Albert Einstein didn't seem too segregated from mainstream society to me.

"almost bordering on stinginess or greed. This is also a bit of a stereotype, but a partially true one."

I want sources. Theres this jewish agency in the city i live in that has counselors for all people, not just jews. Everybody pays on a sliding scale, in accordance with Jewish law, so a friend of mine who make minimum wage and supports herself since she left home at 17 gets to see a $100 an hour psychiatrist for 10 bucks a visit, while the richer carry more of the load, since it benefits the community as a whole.

You need to provide sources, without them you're just spewing bullshiat.
 
2006-12-15 12:51:49 AM
img.villagephotos.com
 
2006-12-15 12:52:00 AM
Not that it hasn't already been said, but I have to admit that I agreed with what Duke stated about freedom of speech.

However, to say I agree with him on a few points doesn't make me a racist; I think Tatsuma would like to suggest that.

I noticed there were a few earlier posts who said they agreed with a few things Duke said and were blasted as racists by Tatsuma.

My question is: Why can Israel do no wrong in Tatsuma's eye? :(
 
2006-12-15 12:52:01 AM
datafox: Churchill2004

You are wrong about the members of the UNSC, the ones who hold a permanent seat are there because they were the founders of the UN after WW2.



I know that, and the reason was, at the time, any UNSC resolutions would have to be enforced by those nations, because they were the most powerful. They still are.
 
2006-12-15 12:52:31 AM
Ohh, i didnt miss the party! Duke Sucks!

Churchill2004 Oh, and by the way, most Israelis were opposed to the invasion of Iraq.

?
Link
Jun. 22, 2003 - A majority of people in 11 countries believe the war in Iraq was unjustified, according to a poll conducted by the British Broadcasting Corporation for the program "What The World Thinks Of America." On average, 56 per cent of respondents say the United States was wrong to invade Iraq.

Sentiments about the war varied among the polled countries. 79 per cent of Israeli respondents agree with the invasion, but more than 80 per cent of Russians and Jordanians say the war was wrong.


You do also know that
Israel To U.S.: Don't Delay Iraq Attack
Man this is a long thread. Im not even halfway down it yet.
but where guys like Duke gets it wrong is that its not the Jooooooos

in fact a majority of American Jews were against the attack on Iraq. However, you are completely wrong in saying most Israelis were opposed. Iraq is, in fact, mentioned as one of two existential threats to Israel at the time.
 
2006-12-15 12:52:44 AM
Churchill2004: I believe that "janitor" shouldn't be a career.

This is secret Republican-speak for "People who don't have a college education should not be able to afford health care, decent food, child care, or to take vacations."

You expect these people to clean up your shiat stains off of toilets but you don't think they deserve to be well compensated? You're a pig.
 
2006-12-15 12:54:52 AM
Freedom of Speech? Are there US Citizens, in this country, in jail for denying the Holocaust? Are there? ARE THERE?!
 
2006-12-15 12:56:10 AM
just had to repeat for yah, czarangelus

czarangelus

"Well, it's going to be your head on the chopping block, not mine, when all those millions of janitors and cooks and floor scrubbers decide that they deserve a better life than entitled pricks believe they deserve."

Sorry dude, but anyone who can afford a philosophy major has got to be entitled . You didn't really go into debt to study a discipline with 0 job prospects in the future, did you?

And what sort fo education do you need to be a janitor? You can do that job as a high school drop out. Doctors make more money because they have to go to school for a very long time and generally go into debt to become doctors. They best be able to make back the money they invested in their education once they graduate.
 
2006-12-15 12:56:43 AM
Party Boy: Ohh, i didnt miss the party! Duke Sucks!

I do not, in fact, sucks. But anyway, if your goal is to troll Tatsuma, he left the building a while ago.
 
2006-12-15 12:57:05 AM
blindpreacher, Tatsuma: see above

Good lord, these threads are sometimes bereft of facts.

/kkk sucks
//they dont like my kind anyway
 
2006-12-15 12:57:54 AM
Here's an article explaining what Ahmadinejad actually said in his speech.

http://www.albionmonitor.com/0605a/iranmisquote.html

Yes, it's a small difference from, 'wipe Israel off the map', but it's big enough to change the meaning.

And yes, I can read/write farsi and arabic and I've read and heard the official speech, and he in fact did not say what the western media says he said.
 
2006-12-15 12:58:41 AM
czarangelus: This is secret Republican-speak for "People who don't have a college education should not be able to afford health care, decent food, child care, or to take vacations."


No, it's Churchill2004-speak for "People shouldn't make a career out of being a janitor"

There are plenty of other jobs out there for people who don't have high school degrees. Low-paying jobs exist because it takes little training for them, thus anybody can do them.

You expect these people to clean up your shiat stains off of toilets but you don't think they deserve to be well compensated?

Appearantly they don't teach "logical though" as part of a philosophy degree, otherwise you'd try to make a logical point instead of over-hyped emotional rhetoric.
 
2006-12-15 12:59:34 AM
BoozePenguin: Sorry dude, but anyone who can afford a philosophy major has got to be entitled . You didn't really go into debt to study a discipline with 0 job prospects in the future, did you?

*smirk* that's exactly what I did. Hell, what can they take back from me? Are they going to reach into my skull and pull out everything I've learned and all the good experiences I had?
 
2006-12-15 01:00:46 AM
For all you people who are saying that it's a-okay for the nutjobs to spout their nonsense denials of the holocaust since we must protect free speech, I put this question to you:

What if I started preaching that slavery never happened in the US? What if people started believing it? What if so many people started believing it that it this so-called "slavery" was part of a vast african-american conspiracy?

Still okay?

Is it hate speech to argue that slavery never happened? What is the difference with denying the holocaust?
 
2006-12-15 01:00:54 AM
czarangelus: *smirk* that's exactly what I did. Hell, what can they take back from me? Are they going to reach into my skull and pull out everything I've learned and all the good experiences I had?


So your life goal... is to be a janitor with a philosophy degree.


It all makes sense now.
 
2006-12-15 01:01:37 AM
i136.photobucket.com
 
2006-12-15 01:01:54 AM
Ice-Nine: Is it hate speech to argue that slavery never happened?


Yes.

Still okay?

Yes.


Free exchange of ideas is essential to any democracy. Period.
 
2006-12-15 01:02:04 AM
czarangelus

No, they won't do that, but you'll be stuck with some crappy job that won't be able to support you. May I ask why?

If you had a good time and gained some good experiences, I think thats great dude, and i'm happy for you.

But that degree won't be worth the paper it's printed on if it can't get you a good job to support a family with.
 
2006-12-15 01:02:08 AM
Me: Maybe I misunderstood.

Churchill2004: Yes, you did misunderstand. I was talking about Palestine/Judea, not Arabia.

bbcrackmonkey: You did, he's saying the Palestinians are Arabs that came from Arabia after the Muslims conquered the area from the Byzantine Empire.

I don't think there was too much of a difference. Islam did start further south in the peninsula, but I don't think the ethnicity of the people was that different in Palistine/Judea than it was in the southern part of the peninsula.

The people who came north spreading Islam only forcably converted (and slaughtered wholesale) pagans. They encouraged Christians to convert, but never forced them and since there tons of Christians in Palisitne/Judea they wouldn't have killed off the population en mass. That means that, if there were non-Arabs up there before, you'd see a huge mixed ethnicity group mixed in with Arabs and whatever this other ethnicity is supposed to be. (Like what you see in South America with Minorities of Spanish and Indians, and a huge middle group that's mixed in between the two.

So, I'm pretty sure there was no mass migration and total displacement of a different ethnic group, and that Arabs had always been up there.
 
2006-12-15 01:02:52 AM
If you deny or you are seriously debating whether or not the Holocaust happened, doesn't that make you, like, retarded?
 
2006-12-15 01:03:32 AM
proleboy, got any references to back up that little theory, or did you just pull it out of your ass? Because that's what it sounds like.
 
2006-12-15 01:03:56 AM
Churchill2004: So your life goal... is to be a janitor with a philosophy degree.

It all makes sense now.


The only reason people think that being a janitor is a terrible job is because they aren't paid in compensation for the work they do. If being a janitor paid $30 an hour, it would be a respectable job. You are seeking to create an underclass of people by designating certain jobs as significantly less valuable than others. The fact that many janitors are actually working hard to try to feed their kids doesn't impress itself on you - "They should just go get another, better job." Thanks, Ebineezer.
 
2006-12-15 01:04:00 AM
skrewewe: The Jews control everything. We all know it. The Banks, the stores, the governments, teh internets. Just because some white trash loud mouth hick decides to speak his mind doesnt mean we need to come to the Jews defense. The Juuuus need no defense. They can make him look evil on the TV and we will believe it just because its on the idiot box. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.

??
3.9 troll ? Or are you for real? the joooooos dont have worldwide meetings.
Meh.
/got trolled
 
2006-12-15 01:04:21 AM
czarangelus

You sound exactly like I used to. In 7th grade.

In a capitalist society, wages are almost always based upon the rarity of a person's skills and abilities, not on czarangelus' idea of what's "fair" (thank God).

People who clean toilets, therefore, do not deserve to be well-compensated, because anybody can clean excrement off of a toilet.
 
2006-12-15 01:05:10 AM
BoozePenguin: But that degree won't be worth the paper it's printed on if it can't get you a good job to support a family with.

Well, if it's impossible to do that in our wonderful "service economy," then that's the way it is. Tens of millions of people in this country are struggling to make ends meet and do not have their needs met. Why should I expect myself to not wind up in that position? Because I'm white and had middle class parents? Well, that doesn't cut it.
 
2006-12-15 01:05:52 AM
mdalli: People who clean toilets, therefore, do not deserve to be well-compensated, because anybody can clean excrement off of a toilet.

Maybe you should. Teach you a little farking humility. I've done it for pay in my day, and my parents were right. It taught me a lot of valuable lessons about the way shiat is set up.
 
2006-12-15 01:05:56 AM
The Duke of Carrot Flowers
Actually, I hold back with Tatsuma.
 
2006-12-15 01:05:58 AM
No, it's not hate-speech to argue whether slavery happened or not. It's idiotic because of the tons and tons of evidence to contradict you.

The holocaust, however, is not backed up by so much evidence. The numbers of "Jews" who died in the holocaust rises and falls throughout the years. That, in and of itself is ok, and not valid proof of whether or not it existed.

What David Duke is saying in the video is that it is illegal to say the holocaust did not occur in Germany. You can run around all you want in America and say, "Whitemen were the slaves of blackmen." and you wouldn't go to jail. But in Germany, if you say, "the holocaust did not exist" then you will go to jail. David Duke is saying that is breaching the right of free speech, which I am 100% in agreement with.

Whether or not the holocaust happened is a moot point to argue. There were concentration camps, people died, so yes it happened. What one can argue is the number of people who died, and that is what this conference in Iran was mostly about.
 
2006-12-15 01:07:53 AM
"by designating certain jobs as significantly less valuable than others"

cutting the lawn is not neurosurgery, nore does it require years of dedicated study to learn.

THEREFORE, CUTTING THE LAWN DOES NOT PAY AS WELL AS NEUROSURGERY.

And rightfully so. if a 12 year old kid can do it, then it shouldn't pay as well as something you need to go to med school for.

Makes sense?
 
2006-12-15 01:08:14 AM
It takes too long to keep up with this dammed thread.

I'm a Mid East History major, a liberal and psuedo-intellectual so it is needless to say that I support the plea of the Palestinians. I understand the Israeli position but I don't nessicarilly support it. European Jews wanted/ needed their own state so that they would no longer be an oppressed minority in a hostile environment, I get it. I guess that also means that the Jews are due for a little oppression-making of their own, or not. I don't think that two wrongs make a right here but again, I'm a little biased.

Also let's remember that right before WWII more jews were leaving Israel then coming in. The Holocaust may not have been the motivating force behind the establishment of Israel but without it the state would have never lasted. I'm speculating of course but the numbers don't lie. Just when you thought the Holocaust couldn't get any worse!

The saddest part about all this is that the main reason behind the establishment of Israel was the constant oppression of the Jews in European/Christian states but at the same time Jews fared much better while under Ottoman/ Muslim states. The world is funny that way, not ha ha funny but like death and distruction funny.
 
2006-12-15 01:08:16 AM
czarangelus: You are seeking to create an underclass of people by designating certain jobs as significantly less valuable than others.


Dude, I told you, keep your words out of my mouth. Go find a girlfriend if you want to put your junk in someone else's mouth.
"They should just go get another, better job."

Yes, they should, and they can. That's the beauty of our system. There are plenty of people who don't even have a high school degree that have far better jobs than being a janitor.

Nobody should be trying to raise a kid on a janitor's salary, and nobody is being forced to. We have a very open job market, and no one is being forced to work as a janitor for lack of a better job being available.
 
2006-12-15 01:08:51 AM
Philosophy majors is bad thing? Since when?
 
2006-12-15 01:09:30 AM
czarangelus: "Maybe you should. Teach you a little farking humility. I've done it for pay in my day, and my parents were right. It taught me a lot of valuable lessons about the way shiat is set up."

Blah, blah, blah. I've cleaned plenty of toilets, and much, much worse. So save it. I'm trying to introduce you to something called "reality".

My point is that your sense of reality got stunted at approximately the junior-high level, just like all leftists/ socialists.
 
2006-12-15 01:09:33 AM
czarangelus: It taught me a lot of valuable lessons about the way shiat is set up.


No, it didn't, it made you bitter that you didn't get paid what you thought was "fair".
 
2006-12-15 01:09:48 AM
"the numbers of "Jews" who died in the holocaust rises and falls throughout the years."

source?

Ex high ranking Nazi Adolf Eichmann put the number at 6 million. Is his testimony valid?
 
2006-12-15 01:11:14 AM
You can run around all you want in America and say, "Whitemen were the slaves of blackmen."

Mediterranean whites were slaves of North African blacks; over 1 million were taken for that purpose by Moorish raiders.
 
2006-12-15 01:11:29 AM
Churchill2004: Nobody should be trying to raise a kid on a janitor's salary, and nobody is being forced to. We have a very open job market, and no one is being forced to work as a janitor for lack of a better job being available.

Right, they could be a McDrone at Best Buy or McDonald's or Olive Garden or Target. You know how most people get professional jobs? Knowing somebody. And when you don't know anybody, you don't know anybody. I'm worried about how I'm going to get a job in Santa Cruz in a week. I don't know anyone there - will I be condemned to become just another McSerf? Maybe, I don't know. But the other option is worse, submitting to the Authorities.
 
2006-12-15 01:12:04 AM
Kant1:

The holocaust, however, is not backed up by so much evidence. The numbers of "Jews" who died in the holocaust rises and falls throughout the years. That, in and of itself is ok, and not valid proof of whether or not it existed.

Wow, just wow. The Nazis anal bookkeepers. They did a very good job tracking who they killed.
 
2006-12-15 01:12:26 AM
Churchill2004: Free exchange of ideas is essential to any democracy. Period.

One unfortunate reality is that these ideas are not fomenting in a democratic country by any stretch, and furthermore are being "examined" in a country whose gov't has called for nothing less than the destruction of a Jewish state.

This is the yelling "fire" in a crowded theater argument.

There has to be some limit in freedoms of speech, because as the man says: The pen is mightier than the sword. Of course he was talking about using speech in positive ways instead of violence, but what about when it substitutes for violence. I think this applies to most rhetoric, in fact. Speech is NOT just words. When it is a distortion of history for violent ends, it becomes a weapon, and thus should be afforded no proctection under the 1st whatsoever.

This is another gambit in the chess game Iran is/has/and probably will always/be playing for the elimination of the state of Israel.
 
2006-12-15 01:13:32 AM
BoozePenguin: "the numbers of "Jews" who died in the holocaust rises and falls throughout the years."

source?

Ex high ranking Nazi Adolf Eichmann put the number at 6 million. Is his testimony valid?


Because you know, when you're on trail for crimes against humanity, you tend to inflate the number of how many people you killed in order to impress people.
 
2006-12-15 01:14:30 AM
czarangelus: Right, they could be a McDrone at Best Buy or McDonald's or Olive Garden or Target. You know how most people get professional jobs? Knowing somebody. And when you don't know anybody, you don't know anybody. I'm worried about how I'm going to get a job in Santa Cruz in a week. I don't know anyone there - will I be condemned to become just another McSerf? Maybe, I don't know. But the other option is worse, submitting to the Authorities.

I need to preface this by saying I don't have a great job, but it is clearly better than a McJob, and I couldn't disagree with you more, I put in some hard work, looking at job boards, and doing follow-up until now I have my foot in the door in the industry I want to work in.
 
2006-12-15 01:14:54 AM
czarangelus

Keep hatin' the man, dude. Its gonna get you far in life. Do they teach anything about self-fufillling prophecies in that school of yours?
 
2006-12-15 01:15:09 AM
"Because I'm white and had middle class parents? Well, that doesn't cut it"

With a little bit of motivation you could have focused you're education on something *practice* and minored in philosophy. Nobodies forcing you to enter the service sector, you're doing that yourself.
 
2006-12-15 01:15:29 AM
czarangelus:

With the McChip you have on your McShoulder, I sure nobody is foolish enough to hire your whiny, entitlement-mentality McButt.

And, BTW, I'm a highly-paid professional, and I didn't "know somebody". I moved to Seattle 6 years ago, where I had no contacts, no family and no history. I had a good skill set and a good attitude.
 
2006-12-15 01:16:17 AM
Ice-Nine: There has to be some limit in freedoms of speech


Absolutely not.

I agree that this conference in Iran is hardly an example of free speech, but if some people wanted to get together and have the same conference in Chicago, they should be able to.

Denying the holocaust puts nobody in any physical danger.

czarangelus: Right, they could be a McDrone at Best Buy or McDonald's or Olive Garden or Target. You know how most people get professional jobs? Knowing somebody. And when you don't know anybody, you don't know anybody. I'm worried about how I'm going to get a job in Santa Cruz in a week. I don't know anyone there - will I be condemned to become just another McSerf? Maybe, I don't know. But the other option is worse, submitting to the Authorities.

Woo, you're right, there's no way you can get a job at farking Best Buy unless you're well-connected.


Jesus, you really should try the real world. It's nice out here.
 
2006-12-15 01:16:57 AM
Churchill2004

Hey! I wipe toilets for a living! I actually make a pretty good wage at it, easy work but I wouldn't consider it my career. Then again some people don't have the same choices that I did. Some people have kids to feed and enjoy having consistant housing so they have to be janitors. That's reality and our job market sucks unless you want to work at a gas station/ Stab and Grab in that case cleaning up shiat beats dodging gat blasts.

/I talk like the kids today
 
2006-12-15 01:17:43 AM
BoozePenguin,

That's the point. What if he pulled it out of his ass? Or, he could be spot on.

Here's an article that says of the 6 million killed, 3 million were christian: http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Lucaire.htm

Here's a quote from Wikipedia "The Holocaust": It is commonly stated that approximately six million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, though estimates by historians using, among other sources, records from the Nazi regime itself, range from five million to seven million.

Also, what exactly was the criteria of a Jew that the Nazi's used?

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I'm not saying the holocaust did or did not happen. I'm saying it could have been 3 million killed or 11 million killed and the only way to know the truth is to actually debate about it without being called "anti-semitic" or being laughed at by those who "know" they're right.
 
2006-12-15 01:17:58 AM
BoozePenguin: With a little bit of motivation you could have focused you're education on something *practice* and minored in philosophy. Nobodies forcing you to enter the service sector, you're doing that yourself.

Yeah! Something *practice*! That would show those nobodies!
 
2006-12-15 01:18:19 AM
mindbuzz: Keep hatin' the man, dude. Its gonna get you far in life. Do they teach anything about self-fufillling prophecies in that school of yours?

No, I know all about that. Look, in this whole war between me and the man thing I want to clear something up - I didn't start it! I would have been a happily, blind, trusting, law abiding consumerist if the Man hadn't started shiat.

BoozePenguin: With a little bit of motivation you could have focused you're education on something *practice* and minored in philosophy. Nobodies forcing you to enter the service sector, you're doing that yourself.

I believe that philosophy served me better than all the business degrees offered by this school serve their purchasers. I think I learned more, came to understand the world better, and had additional time to explore my own interests by doing something I was good at.
 
2006-12-15 01:18:25 AM
And as far as there being more evidence supporting slavery than the Holocaust, are you sure?

We have survivors, guards, and liberating soldiers who are still alive to recount tales. We have pictures. We have tattoos. We have historical records of the atrocities committed at these camps. We have ovens, the chemicals used in them, the traincars used to herd the victims 100s at a time.

Do we have that with slavery? Not nearly as much in terms of physical evidence.

And yet by your own admission, Kant1, people will think you are crazy if you attempt to deny slavery existed.

Ask yourself why that is?

And then ask yourself if you really think it isn't hurtful to deny that the holocaust happened.
 
2006-12-15 01:18:32 AM
evajyna: Some people have kids to feed and enjoy having consistant housing so they have to be janitors.


There are plenty of ways to feed your kids in between jobs. Sorry, I ain't buying that argument.
 
2006-12-15 01:19:48 AM
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2006-12-15 01:20:50 AM
Churchill2004
There are plenty of ways to feed your kids in between jobs. Sorry, I ain't buying that argument.

Name three that don't involve Whoring.
 
2006-12-15 01:20:54 AM
Kant1:

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here. I'm not saying the holocaust did or did not happen. I'm saying it could have been 3 million killed or 11 million killed and the only way to know the truth is to actually debate about it without being called "anti-semitic" or being laughed at by those who "know" they're right.

What's more likely: people like David Duke spend years in the German archives researching this answer, or they just pull it out of their ass?
 
2006-12-15 01:21:03 AM
"submitting to the Authorities"

You already have kiddo, haven't you? You've designated yourself a life of servitude to make somebody else rich. Isn't that submitting to the man? It's not like you're self sufficicant. You're just becoming dependant on somebody with alot more money then you to make it pay check to pay check.
 
2006-12-15 01:22:13 AM
Did subby just compare support of Israel with support of White Supremecy?

And doesn't "fight" imply that it's two-sided? As opposed to a guy being a dumbass in front of an interviewer?
 
2006-12-15 01:22:53 AM
*practice* == *practicle*

fark...
 
2006-12-15 01:22:53 AM
Kant1:

Here's a quote from Wikipedia "The Holocaust": It is commonly stated that approximately six million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust, though estimates by historians using, among other sources, records from the Nazi regime itself, range from five million to seven million.

And let's not start citing Wikipedia
 
2006-12-15 01:22:54 AM
czarangelus

No, I know all about that. Look, in this whole war between me and the man thing I want to clear something up - I didn't start it! I would have been a happily, blind, trusting, law abiding consumerist if the Man hadn't started shiat.

What happened? PlayStation break?
 
2006-12-15 01:23:02 AM
Mdalli
And, BTW, I'm a highly-paid professional, and I didn't "know somebody". I moved to Seattle 6 years ago, where I had no contacts, no family and no history. I had a good skill set and a good attitude.


No, no. Cuttt!

it's like this:

I am a highly payed proffesional who moved to Seattle,

So i am really getting a kick outta these replies...

/yeh right, get back to flipping them burgers.
 
2006-12-15 01:23:17 AM
Churchill2004

I don't think people who are raising kids should be employed as janitors to begin with. Some jobs are meant for people who support only themselves.

We need janitors (and retail workers, truck drivers, assemply line workers, etc...). We need many of these people in our economy. Until we have robots that do all of our dirty work for us, we need laborers to get things done. You are saying they do not deserve to make enough money to raise a family. Your disdain for this entire class of people is disgusting.

Right now the rage is sending these crap jobs over to Asia where people aren't paid as much and are treated like shiat. There is little opportunity to get better jobs over there. Do those folks deserve to make enough to raise families? Do they deserve safe working conditions and reasonable hours or any of the other rights that workers are entitled to in western countries? Apparently not.

BoozePenguin

And what sort fo education do you need to be a janitor? You can do that job as a high school drop out.

Again, we can't all have jobs that make use of higher education. Somebody has to do menial work and I think they deserve much more respect than they get from most assholes trying to justify their shiatty wages.
 
2006-12-15 01:23:32 AM
Churchill2004 Oh, and by the way, most Israelis were opposed to the invasion of Iraq.

Also
2006
In Canada and Britain, 73 per cent and 71 per cent of respondents believe the coalition effort was unjustified, but only 34 per cent of respondents in Israel concur.

In hindsight, do you think that the United States was justified in its decision to invade Iraq? Israel - Yes 59% No 34%


So in 2003 a majority of Israelis were for the iraq war, and in this year (2006), a majority is still for it, even in hindsight.

Where did you get your facts from?
 
2006-12-15 01:24:06 AM
BoozePenguin: You're just becoming dependant on somebody with alot more money then you to make it pay check to pay check.

He's right. You should try and get as much money as possible.

Then you win!
 
2006-12-15 01:24:11 AM
And another thing. This to the "Devil's Advocates" out here who aren't saying the holocaust either happened or didn't...

Do you really think this so-called fact-finding conference is motivated by true interest in researching the holocaust? I mean, do you REALLY believe that? Really and truly?

I mean, it just...I'm sorry, that sickens me...that people can honestly play "Devil's Advocate" and say well, hey, maybe the fine people of the KKK and Iran's hard-liner clerical party are going to come together, no agenda in mind whatsoever, and try to figure out what really happened in Europe in the 1940s...

You might as well join them. Sounds like you've made up your mind to me.
 
2006-12-15 01:25:17 AM
"trying to justify their shiatty wages."

I'm not justifying it, I live in Canada where janitors have health care, affordable child care and decent, although low wages.

I'm suggesting that the wages should be lower for something that requires no education, not that they should be condemned to a life of crushing poverty.
 
2006-12-15 01:25:46 AM
thornhill
What's more likely: people like David Duke spend years in the German archives researching this answer, or they just pull it out of their ass?

What you talk? I'm sure David Duke and his croanies have dedicated their lives to unbiased, true historical research. They seem like upstanding citizens looking for the truth, not looking to support some kind of agenda.
 
2006-12-15 01:25:47 AM
When did white supremecists start getting computers in their trailers, anyway?
 
2006-12-15 01:26:45 AM
BoozePenguin: I'm suggesting that the wages should be lower for something that requires no education, not that they should be condemned to a life of crushing poverty.

Millions of Americans with full-time jobs live in crushing poverty without health care, child care, or decent wages. I don't know how my countrymen have become so blind to the well-being of their fellow citizens.
 
2006-12-15 01:27:07 AM
"Then you win!"

no, then you have financial freedom.

Being dependant on a crappy job where you're job security is not great due to the fact that anybody can do your job is not "sticking it to the man".

It's helping him out.
 
2006-12-15 01:29:26 AM
you cant handle the truth!

/all i got so far
 
2006-12-15 01:29:44 AM
I'll ask a question out of curiosity, as there seems to be many people here who are experts or at least very knowledgeable.

During WW2, the primary Jewish targets were the Jews that were established in Europe. Those Jews are predominantly Ashkenazi and were established geographically within Europe and at a later time than the establishment of Sephardic or Mizrahi Jews, which were established in the land of Israel (pre-Israel definition, way, way back).

However, with the creation of the state of Israel, the Jews that were harshly persecuted during WW2, Ashkenazi, established and populated Israel. However, I've read in a blog by a Sephardic Jew living in Israel that there is a large racial intolerance between Ashkenazi and Sephardic (of course, I have no personal knowledge of this).

So, why did the Ashkenazi Jews of Europe, who had no ancestral heritage in the land of Israel, establish themselves in Israel after WW2? Why not somewhere else?

It seems sort of strange to me, and I would like to know the motivations behind this.

/posted this before...
 
2006-12-15 01:29:47 AM
thornhill,

What's likely is that there are lots of different opinions on this topic and they all have their own evidence, whether that evidence is the truth or not, they have it. The conference in Iran was supposed to open up conversation and debate on the topic... it has.

Also, I cited Wikipedia, not to support any of my arguments (I'm not really making any) but just to show that there are in fact many people who hold many different opinions of the number of killed which create a rather large margin.
 
2006-12-15 01:29:54 AM
Being dependant on a crappy job where you're job security is not great due to the fact that anybody can do your job is not "sticking it to the man".

It's helping him out.


Genius
 
2006-12-15 01:31:18 AM
pnjunction: You are saying they do not deserve to make enough money to raise a family. Your disdain for this entire class of people is disgusting.


I have no disdain for them at all. I think if you want to raise a family, you should get a better-paying job. It's fine for some kid paying his way through school to work as a janitor, it's not for a 35-year old married man with two kids. The minimum wage isn't intended to be the kind of wage you can raise a family with.
 
2006-12-15 01:31:33 AM
BoozePenguin: Being dependant on a crappy job where you're job security is not great due to the fact that anybody can do your job is not "sticking it to the man".

It's helping him out.


Sounds like programmers as much as it does like janitors these days. Hell, not many people have the luxury of job security anymore, do they?
 
2006-12-15 01:32:24 AM
Is it also a coincidence that my bosses, who are janitors and constantly complain of money troubles, are all crazy fundie Jezuns? Every custodian I've met at work, the shaitier their situation the more rabid their Jezosity. Correlation? Come on now, throw me a bone here.
 
2006-12-15 01:32:24 AM
BoozePenguin: Being dependant on a crappy job where you're job security is not great due to the fact that anybody can do your job is not "sticking it to the man".

It's helping him out.


Fair enough. I'm with you there.
 
2006-12-15 01:32:35 AM
Churchill2004: I have no disdain for them at all. I think if you want to raise a family, you should get a better-paying job. It's fine for some kid paying his way through school to work as a janitor, it's not for a 35-year old married man with two kids. The minimum wage isn't intended to be the kind of wage you can raise a family with

How dense are you? Whatever you may or may not think the minimum wage is intended for, millions of people desperately trying to raise a family are being paid in that fashion. This is the reality.
 
2006-12-15 01:33:49 AM
Sorry Ice-Nine,

I'll just take it up the butt whenever someone says, "this is what happened" and not look at what other people are saying and make sure I don't get any other opinions on any other topic, because it "sickens" you.

/by the way, "We have always been at war with Eastasia"
 
2006-12-15 01:34:23 AM
NewtLover
establish themselves in Israel after WW2?
Well, first you need to took before WWII

How much reading do you want to do? Even a cursory glance might take you longer than you expect.

/mid east amateur
 
2006-12-15 01:34:29 AM
Ice-Nine

For all you people who are saying that it's a-okay for the nutjobs to spout their nonsense denials of the holocaust since we must protect free speech, I put this question to you:

What if I started preaching that slavery never happened in the US? What if people started believing it? What if so many people started believing it that it this so-called "slavery" was part of a vast african-american conspiracy?

Still okay?

Is it hate speech to argue that slavery never happened? What is the difference with denying the holocaust?


Nobody is denying the holocaust... the nutjobs are saying there's a conspiracy to inflate its magnitude.

I tell those folks to ask the many thousands with serials tattooed on em if it happened. It happened, and it was a catastrophe of humanity.

This wasn't about rewriting history, it was about the current day situation. The problem is anybody who has the audacity to hold an opinion other than what benefits Israel's elite is painted as a holocaust denier or anti-semite. It's healthy to question everything currently in progress... people in charge USE those of us who have not for their gain. It happens everywhere and to everyone... and the Jewish elite are no different than any other elite.

No, I don't think those managing Israel's position are currently too dirty- it's the bloodiest corner of the world. But to remove the ability to scrutinize them is to give them the potential to commit evil, and that ability has been taken away.
 
2006-12-15 01:34:31 AM
"It's hard to imagine...those people down there....so poor...and...and so black..."

Best. Newsblooper. Ever.
 
2006-12-15 01:35:14 AM
czarangelus: How dense are you? Whatever you may or may not think the minimum wage is intended for, millions of people desperately trying to raise a family are being paid in that fashion. This is the reality


The solution, then, is for those people not to be working minimum-wage jobs, not to raise the minimum wage to $30/hr.

Oh, I forgot, only well-connected middle class white men can get a job that pays more than $8/hr. Because the Man's keepin' 'em down, man.
 
2006-12-15 01:37:26 AM
"Sounds like programmers as much as it does like janitors these days"

I'm only speaking about my personal situation, and of course I don't have 100% job security, but I did write the majority of the code for the project I'm working on, therefore I know the ins and outs of that program better then anybody else. Makes me confidant that so long as I keep doing my job they won't bother to hire somebody new to learn what I've been doing over the past year and a half.

Thats the difference. The skill I have makes me a valuable asset to the company. I'm not, of course, saying a janitor is not important.

But i can do his job, he can't do mine.
 
2006-12-15 01:37:52 AM
Churchill2004: The solution, then, is for those people not to be working minimum-wage jobs, not to raise the minimum wage to $30/hr

Forehead smack. Yes, I'm sure these people are all working shiat jobs for shiat pay to be treated like shiat because they like it. They just love poverty and no health care and no future.
 
2006-12-15 01:37:59 AM
BoozePenguin

I'm not justifying it, I live in Canada where janitors have health care, affordable child care and decent, although low wages.

I'm suggesting that the wages should be lower for something that requires no education, not that they should be condemned to a life of crushing poverty.


Sorry, I may have been a little harsh in your direction. I got a bit worked up when Churchill2004 suggested that janitors (and basically their entire class) shouldn't try to raise families.

I agree labourers have a decent deal here in Canada. It makes me sort of angry though (I'm sure I'm not alone) that more and more jobs are being outsourced to countries were workers are treated like shiat so that I can save a few dollars and corporations can make more profit.

Of course jobs requiring more education should pay more. I'm not a communist. If the degree I'll have worked 6 years to get wasn't going to be worth something, I never would have bothered.
 
2006-12-15 01:38:12 AM
reading on class, US - since the thread went that way.

The Middle Class on the Precipice

The Middle-Class Trapdoor
 
C-J
2006-12-15 01:38:31 AM
bbcrackmonkey: Every religion thinks God chose them to be special, idiot. Why do you make exceptions for Jews?
To be fair, Judaism is hereditary. I could become a christian if I so desired.

The Duke of Carrot Flowers: You can't own property man!
I can because I'm not a stinking hippie
 
2006-12-15 01:38:34 AM
czarangelus

Its sweet to be idealistic and all, but this is America and people are always gonna look out for themselves and their families first. It is just the way that it is, greed is what is best and what it worst about our country. And you can choose the way that you want to participate in it. I sincerley prefer the prospect a comfortable retirement than a lifetime of struggling because of refusing to play the game and worrying about how to stick it to the man. You can still be an idividual. Been there, done that.
 
2006-12-15 01:38:45 AM
NewtLover
Good question, sounds like a research job to me. Too bad I don't give a crap about Israeli history insofar as it not being connected directly to Ottoman/ Persian History or I'd take the time to look it up. Ask a professor, maybe not Farkers. I mean if you actually want an answer to your question not just an opportunity to post a detailed question that makes you appear educated to strangers.
 
2006-12-15 01:39:38 AM
"[a]ll for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."

-Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations
 
2006-12-15 01:40:01 AM
wow. nothing like a Blitzer bit to get the pot stirred up.
i thought it was funny that Duke pointed out that Blitzer was being biased, and that he is a lobbyist.
all news people are biased.
some cater to the things we want to hear, and we disagree with the news folks who dont say what we want.

this is nothing new.
except that Blitzer for once got put on the hotseat.
Duke has been out of the KKK for many years, and renounced his desire to be involved. I also think it is interesting that he is over there attending a conference for freedom of speech (AKA CIVIL RIGHTS). So, where does Blitzer get off talking bad about Duke, other than his own bias?

oh, and i do believe that the holocaust happened.

//i guess you can call me christian.
///i dont care what religion you are. i would rather just get along.
////dont force your god down my throat and i wont force my foot in your arse :-)

///have fun and happy holidaze
 
2006-12-15 01:41:08 AM
Emperorsteele


"..what's wrong with supporting Isreal again?

Y'know, besides that it makes the entire mid-east hate us."

That's a very good question.
 
2006-12-15 01:41:58 AM
pnjunction: Sorry, I may have been a little harsh in your direction. I got a bit worked up when Churchill2004 suggested that janitors (and basically their entire class) shouldn't try to raise families.


I... never said that. "Janitor" is not a class. I said if they want to raise a family, they should get a better job, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so.


I'll just toss this out there: What should the minimum wage be?
 
2006-12-15 01:43:15 AM
The minimum wage should be $0.00
 
2006-12-15 01:44:35 AM
"It makes me sort of angry though (I'm sure I'm not alone) that more and more jobs are being outsourced to countries were workers are treated like shiat so that I can save a few dollars and corporations can make more profit."

I hear yah man, it pisses me off big time.

The exploitation of third world conditions is disgusting. I've got this really good doc on modern day slave labor.. looks at coca plantations in Sierra Leone where 90% of the labor is slave labor. Like the real kind. And child slaves in pakistan and women slaves in the first world.

I hope you enjoy it.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5716234192303887549
 
2006-12-15 01:44:38 AM
Churchill2004: I'll just toss this out there: What should the minimum wage be?

Tie it to CEO pay. A CEO can never make more than 10 times the salary of the lowest paid salaried position in the company.
 
2006-12-15 01:44:55 AM
Churchill2004: proleboy, got any references to back up that little theory, or did you just pull it out of your ass? Because that's what it sounds like.

"The Arabs were polytheists, believing in nature gods, demons and spirits, but as intercourse with the outside world increased, Jewish and Christian communities appeared in the area; there were Christian Arabs before there were Moslems [sic]." [p135 History of the World J.M. Roberts]

Crap...my friend just got here and this is as far as I got. It's been too long since I touched some of these books, but the degree on my wall says I know at least a little bit
 
2006-12-15 01:45:48 AM
czarangelus:
The only country I see that is in danger of no longer existing is Palestine. You project every single thing.

They had a decade to set up a county when it was under Arab control. They chose not to.
 
2006-12-15 01:45:53 AM
czarangelus

"[a]ll for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."

-Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations


Yeah, it must suck when it all comes crashing down, but, for now, I am enjoying the ride.
 
2006-12-15 01:46:18 AM
Tatsuma: It is very clearly stated in this AGGADAH (and not HALACHA) that this is a bilateral contract between Jews and Goyim and that if the Goyim were to give Jews Eretz Yisrael willingly (which they did) that it would be ok to create a new state

Tats, I find this post fascinating not for the original Talmudic basis (I'm assuming) for the statement, but more for a question I have just from reading that sentence alone.

The goyim are obviously non-jews, but for the fulfillment of the bilateral contract, which ones does the contract refer to? Is the contract still valid if the goyim who were referred to originally don't necessarily exist anymore? Were the goyim a nation, a people, a religious group?

To carry it further, what about competing factions among the goyim? If one non-jew can fulfill the contract, then could the state of Israel, hypothetically, have come into justified being because a drunk goy said, "sure, take it!"

Or is the justification for the settlement born out of the fact that most of the land was purchased, which implies a sense of willingness? If so, what about land that was taken? I'm probably one of the few people who think that any land Israel gained from war other people started is theirs (hint: if you don't want to lose land, don't farking fark with your neighbor), but that land can hardly be said to have been willingly given up.

I'm genuinely curious because contracts are so important to our lives today, but when Judaism began it was one of the revolutionary ideas the Jews enforced: honoring an agreement with other people. It was a step up in the development of human civilization. Since this is obviously an older contract, I'm wondering about the modern interpretation of how it is to be fulfilled.
 
2006-12-15 01:46:43 AM
Israel has a per capita income of $25,000us.

The West Bank per capita income is roughly $1,100us. In the Gaza Strip it drops to $600us.

Guess which one gets a majority of all our foreign aid (30% + in fact).

We are feeding Israel caviar and the people around them a shiat sandwich and we wonder why they hate us...
 
2006-12-15 01:47:12 AM
LegacyDL

FYI people:

According to the book(s) Abraham was the father of both Judaism and Islam, the diff was that his wife was Jewish and his bootycall/maid was Muslim.

Which is why we have all this Judaism vs Islam thing today. Both religions are just fighting for their creator's love.


This makes absolutely no sense...unless you meant that Abraham's wife Sarah had his son Jacob (later renamed Israel) who was the father of the Israelites, while Abraham's son with Hagar was the father of what eventually become the Arabs. Sarah couldn't have been Jewish and Hagar couldn't have been Muslim...neither one of those was even close to existing at the time.

Geez. I'm not going into the whole "booty call" thing, either.
 
2006-12-15 01:48:33 AM
Tie it to CEO pay. A CEO can never make more than 10 times the salary of the lowest paid salaried position in the company.

Yeah, like the male-anglo business owners and their jewish accountants are ever gonna let that happen.
 
2006-12-15 01:49:21 AM
czarangelus: Tie it to CEO pay. A CEO can never make more than 10 times the salary of the lowest paid salaried position in the company.


Ah... because the reason your janitor isn't getting paid enough is because the CEO is taking all the money. I see.

The fact is, while it might make you mad, even the most aggregiously overpaid CEO isn't taking enough money to make a signifigant difference to a big corporation.

Besides, I hate to break it to you, not every job in the country is part of some big multi-national corporation with a ultra-rich CEO at it's head. What about an independently owned and operated restraunt? Under your scenario, the lowest-paid would get a hell of a lot less than what they get now.
 
2006-12-15 01:49:36 AM
proleboy

Who denied the fact that there were Christian Arabs before the advent of Islam? I believe the Copts were around in Egypt long before the Muslim expansion.
 
2006-12-15 01:49:42 AM
I felt more hatred against the journalist than the former klansman, based on the content of the video.

/Members of racist groups ought to be educated
//Members of the press ought to be burned alive, after watching their families burn alive first

///Who has more power to do harm, really
 
2006-12-15 01:49:58 AM
Kant1:
The conference in Iran was supposed to open up conversation and debate on the topic... it has.

farking bullshiat. The leader of Iran doesn't wipe Isreal off the face of the map, he wants to wipe Jews off the face of the map. This conference was nothing more than an attempt to drum up support for that goal one step at a time.
 
2006-12-15 01:52:16 AM
Churchill2004: The fact is, while it might make you mad, even the most aggregiously overpaid CEO isn't taking enough money to make a signifigant difference to a big corporation.

Cut out $60 million dollar golden parachutes and distribute it amongst 100,000 employees. You don't think that's a significant difference to people making $12 an hour scrubbing your damn toilet?
 
2006-12-15 01:52:18 AM
OneEye:
Israel has a per capita income of $25,000us.
The West Bank per capita income is roughly $1,100us. In the Gaza Strip it drops to $600us.


So maybe they should spend more effort to build their own society and not as much trying to tear another down.
 
2006-12-15 01:53:12 AM
EggSniper

Wow, that is really, really deep.
 
2006-12-15 01:53:18 AM
BrotherAlpha: farking bullshiat. The leader of Iran doesn't wipe Isreal off the face of the map, he wants to wipe Jews off the face of the map. This conference was nothing more than an attempt to drum up support for that goal one step at a time.

Actually, the conference is a mockery of Western "free speech" values. They invited a man to speak who was imprisoned in Europe just because he published a book. Sure, it was a stupid, anti-semitic book. But nonetheless, they've done a good job of demonstrating the West's hypocrisy.
 
2006-12-15 01:53:51 AM
No, the minimum wage should be $0.00 because having a minimum wage, i.e., a price floor, raises unemployment.

Also, the only people the winimum wage effects is teenagers and really really old people (but mostly just teenagers).

Have you really heard anyone surviving off $5.15 an hour? I don't mean pocket money, I mean food, bills, rent, etc.

Classical microeconomic theory clearly shows why the minimum wage causes unemployment. If someone is willing to work for $4/hour they can't, it'll be illegal. If they can't create $5.15 of productivity per hour, then they will not be hired, and therefore unemployed.

The minimum wage is a political ploy used by politicians to trick the poor (and most likely uneducated) and the people who don't know about economics, into thinking that they care about the poor. When in reality they are not only hurting some people, it won't do a damn thing for most people.
 
2006-12-15 01:55:54 AM
Do the Jews control the minimum wage? hmmmmmmm.......
 
2006-12-15 01:56:27 AM
czarangelus

I think it's rather hypocritical of a nation that imprisoned, brutally raped, beat and tortured a canadian-iranian journalist for taking a picture.

She got the Iranian treatment though. If she hadn't been Iranian at all she woulda just gotten thrown out.
 
2006-12-15 01:56:43 AM
czarangelus:
They invited a man to speak who was imprisoned in Europe just because he published a book. Sure, it was a stupid, anti-semitic book. But nonetheless, they've done a good job of demonstrating the West's hypocrisy.

He book was hate speach. Hate speach = Terrorism.
 
2006-12-15 01:57:11 AM
BrotherAlpha
You try to sound informed but you fail. Which ten years are you talking about? The years when the McMahon/ Hussein correspondence was attempting to establish an Arab state while the British zionists were already lobbying to establish a Jewish home in Palestine? Or are you talking about when Palestine was still under Ottoman/ Turkish control? Make sense of yourself.

Also the only threat that Iran poses is in their support of global Islamist organizations, the country itself is a third rate military power but I'm sure that won't stop the US from invading anyway. It never has before.
 
2006-12-15 01:57:40 AM
I'm going to bed.
 
2006-12-15 01:57:42 AM
CEO Pay Article
Link
In 2004, the ratio of average CEO pay to the average pay of a production (i.e., non-management) worker was 431-to-1, up from 301-to-1 in 2003, according to "Executive Excess," an annual report released Tuesday by the liberal research groups United for a Fair Economy and the Institute for Policy Studies.

That's not the highest ever. In 2001, the ratio of CEO-to-worker pay hit a peak of 525-to-1.

Still, it's quite a leap year over year, and it ranks on the high end historically. In 1990, for instance, CEOs made about 107 times more than the average worker, while in 1982, the average CEO made only 42 times more.

The cumulative pay of the top 10 highest paid CEOs in the past 15 years totaled $11.7 billion.

Link
The onrush of technology largely explains the gradual development of a "two-tier labor market" in which those at the bottom lack the education and the professional/technical skills of those at the top and, more and more, fail to get comparable pay raises, health insurance coverage, and other benefits. Since 1975, practically all the gains in household income have gone to the top 20% of households.




/info for the flame war
 
2006-12-15 01:58:31 AM
czarangelus: Tie it to CEO pay. A CEO can never make more than 10 times the salary of the lowest paid salaried position in the company.

Churchill2004
Besides, I hate to break it to you, not every job in the country is part of some big multi-national corporation with a ultra-rich CEO at it's head. What about an independently owned and operated restraunt? Under your scenario, the lowest-paid would get a hell of a lot less than what they get now.


I think he was talking about an upper limit on what CEOs can make relative to the rest of the employees, not that employees should only make 1/10th of what the CEO (or owner, I suppose) makes.
 
2006-12-15 01:58:33 AM
czarangelus: Cut out $60 million dollar golden parachutes and distribute it amongst 100,000 employees. You don't think that's a significant difference to people making $12 an hour scrubbing your damn toilet?

That's six hundred dollars per person. Spread that out over the (minimum) of five or so years, and yes, that makes very little difference. Something on the order of a few pennies per hour.

Besides, you still haven't given me a dollar amount for what the minimum wage should be.
 
2006-12-15 01:58:53 AM
czarangelus

Sleep well!
 
2006-12-15 01:59:33 AM
bbcrackMonkey

Dude, Muslims CLAIM Abraham as one of their prophets, just like they claim Jesus was one of their prophets and call him Isa. Does that mean Jesus was a Muslim?

Also, Just because you went to Catholic school doesn't make Jesus a Christian.

Islam is a ripoff of Christianity, Judaism, and pre-Mohammed paganism. Man-oh-man, you really need to read up on this stuff. I didn't know how little you really knew about the subject, are you still in high-school? In my college they make you take a "Comparative Study of Religions" class so you don't get embarrassed by this kind of crap when you bring it up.

Right.... you threw in Judaism and pre-Muhammad paganism just to make your argument seem neutral. I think we both have more information about Christianity than we do about Islam since we assume that religions are chronological rip offs of each other. I don't know why you are accusing me of not knowing what i am talking about just because I am providing you with a much forgotten insight as to why Palestinians think believe Israel is rightfully theirs. What I am trying to point out here is that the price of comprise is heavy sentimental values for both sides.
 
2006-12-15 01:59:46 AM
BrotherAlpha: Hate speach = Terrorism.

Who gets to decide what hate speech is?

That's a very, very, very slippery slope.
 
2006-12-15 02:01:40 AM
Errr.. the second para is not mine :

bbcrackMonkey
Islam is a ripoff of Christianity, Judaism, and pre-Mohammed paganism. Man-oh-man, you really need to read up on this stuff. I didn't know how little you really knew about the subject, are you still in high-school? In my college they make you take a "Comparative Study of Religions" class so you don't get embarrassed by this kind of crap when you bring it up.

Right.... you threw in Judaism and pre-Muhammad paganism just to make your argument seem neutral. I think we both have more information about Christianity than we do about Islam since we assume that religions are chronological rip offs of each other. I don't know why you are accusing me of not knowing what i am talking about just because I am providing you with a much forgotten insight as to why Palestinians think believe Israel is rightfully theirs. What I am trying to point out here is that the price of comprise is heavy sentimental values for both sides.

/
 
2006-12-15 02:02:00 AM
Kant1:
Classical microeconomic theory clearly shows why the minimum wage causes unemployment. If someone is willing to work for $4/hour they can't, it'll be illegal. If they can't create $5.15 of productivity per hour, then they will not be hired, and therefore unemployed.

On the flip side, if you have two people who can create $5.15 of productivity per hour but one is late on the rent and is willing to take $4 per hour because they are desparate, then the wages as a whole drop.

In addition, because he took a lower wage, he can not save up and better his life. There's no way to save money when you are living paycheck to paycheck.

On the other hand, if he was making $5.15 and hour, he could spend more on other goods, thereby helping stimulate the economy and create more jobs so both men could work.
 
2006-12-15 02:02:55 AM
BrotherAlpha
Hate speach = Terrorism.

Those are both very relative terms. One man's Terrorist is another man's Freedom Fighter and one man's Hate Speech is another man's 700 Club.
 
2006-12-15 02:04:41 AM
czarangelus

British Mandate of Palestine. You try to play farking semantic word games to try to get away from the fact that these people existed, and were driven off their land to make room for the Israeli state. You can talk to me about Israel being in danger of being destroyed when we hear of "illegal Arab settlement" in Tel Aviv.

It's truly amazing how many folks get up in arms about countries and borders, rather than people. In fact, when people get obsessed with nation-labels, its a pretty good sign that the actual people involved are getting screwed. If people hadn't been driven off of Palestine to make room for the UN-created state of Israel, then the entire issue of "right-of-return" would not exist. Besides, why should any country, Israel or otherwise, have an inherent right to exist? Doesn't the existence of any nation-state derive its very legitimacy from how it treats all of its citizens? In this case, Israel certainly has not been at the forefront of world nations. Especially given how bad Arab Israelis have been treated. Arab members of the Knesset regularly talk about being treated as second-class citizens, and there have been recent government proposals to strip Arab Israelis of their very citizenship. Hardly sounds like a country with an inherent moral right to exist to me. Even if it has such a right, there is never a right to excessive and disproportionate foreign aid from the U.S. for any country.

While I vehemently disagree on many things with Dr. Ahmadinejad, he does have a point. If the Shoah happened in Europe and especially Germany (which it did) then why wasn't Israel carved out of Europe? Why didn't Europe itself make the sacrifice of land and safety in perpetuity it certainly owed Jews everywhere? Why did they pass the buck to the Middle East? I have yet to hear satisfactory answers to these questions. Even early Zionists did not always insist on the Middle East. Both Argentina and Uganda were serious proposals among Herzl-era Zionists.
 
2006-12-15 02:07:19 AM
BrotherAlpha:
Hate speach = Terrorism.

Churchill2004:
Who gets to decide what hate speech is?
That's a very, very, very slippery slope.


There's a reason why slippery slope is called a logical fallacy.
 
2006-12-15 02:09:09 AM
bbcrackMonkey

Islam is a ripoff of Christianity, Judaism, and pre-Mohammed paganism.

All religions are indebted to their intellectual, social, cultural, and economic contexts. By your standards, the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights is little more than a ripoff of Great Britain's 1689 An Act Declaring the Rights and Liberties of the Subject and Settling the Succession of the Crown. Doesn't make the U.S. Bill of Rights any less true or valid, does it?
 
2006-12-15 02:09:15 AM
Somacandra:
Doesn't the existence of any nation-state derive its very legitimacy from how it treats all of its citizens? In this case, Israel certainly has not been at the forefront of world nations. Especially given how bad Arab Israelis have been treated.

Arabs living in Israel have more rights than Arabs living in just about any other nation in the Middle East.
 
2006-12-15 02:10:09 AM
www.uptownchamber.com

/why does a duck need a lobbyist?
 
2006-12-15 02:10:35 AM
KlumTheFark

By saying that one religion is a rip-off of another you are denying any development between them. It could very well be that there are no new ideas under sun, only new ways of looking at the same thing. Another way to say "rip off" is "evolve". Islam evolved from Judaism and Christianity and animism and Zoastrinarianism and a ton of other traditions. Arabia had many connections with other traditions ,you can't deny their influence but saying that it is ripped off is kind of immature.

If you ask a Muslim they would say that Islam did not derive from Judaism or Christianity. They would say that the revealed Truth of the Quran was the untainted message that Judaism and Christianity were supposed to convey before they were corrupted by human action. But that's the general Muslim POV
 
2006-12-15 02:11:20 AM
BrotherAlpha: There's a reason why slippery slope is called a logical fallacy.


There's nothing illogical here. "Hate speech" is nothing more than a term for the minority views that the majority finds most outrageous.

For example, recently the Belgian government ordered the disbanding of an entire political party, and a fairly large one at that, because it advocated "xenophobia". Their crime they were accused of? They were opposed to the massive influx of immigrants. Their real crime? They were a Flemish independece party, and the government didn't like that.
 
2006-12-15 02:11:50 AM
BoozePenguin: You need to provide sources, without them you're just spewing bullshiat.


Ok. My source is personal experience, sure, not a credible source, or definative in any way, but dont underestimate the power of it. This particular jewish stereotype (greed) is based in the personal experience of many people throughout time. I believe this stereotype exists due to Jews segregating themselves from society.

Note the use of the word stereotype. It clearly states that I do not believe this to be true of all jews.

Now lets move on to Islam. They are currently having to deal with the stereotype of being terrorists. This is based on the powerful personal experience of witnessing 9/11 live on TV. It is not definitive, it is not true of all muslims.

What are we asking Islam to do? Become more moderate. Which I think is a good thing.

Now back to the jews. Not all jews segregate themselves, it is generally the more religious ones that do.

So what I am saying, is that we should also be asking Judaeism to become more moderate, in the sense they drop all the "chosen people" stuff, as well as allow people to join their faith regardless of race or background, and be allowed to marry outside the faith.

What is wrong with that?
 
2006-12-15 02:13:19 AM
BrotherAlpha

Arabs living in Israel have more rights than Arabs living in just about any other nation in the Middle East.

1) Hint: Damning with Faint Praise, as you have done, is the dumbest retort ever. That logic merely means that none of the other countries have a "right to exist" either.

2) And I don't recall any other Middle Eastern contries threatening to strip all local Arabs of their citizenship.

3) Both Turkey and Lebanon in particular would like a word with you.
 
2006-12-15 02:13:43 AM
evajyna:
You try to sound informed but you fail. Which ten years are you talking about? The years when the McMahon/ Hussein correspondence was attempting to establish an Arab state while the British zionists were already lobbying to establish a Jewish home in Palestine? Or are you talking about when Palestine was still under Ottoman/ Turkish control? Make sense of yourself.

1948 Israel is created and immediately attacked. In the aftermath Gaza Strip is controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. In all of that time, they never form an independent Palestine.

The worst you can say about Israel is they treated the Palestians as badly as their fellow Arabs have.
 
2006-12-15 02:15:04 AM
It will be quite the day when Farkers have some actual knowledge of Middle Eastern history in these threads, rather than trite sloganeering.
 
2006-12-15 02:15:49 AM
Churchill2004:
There's nothing illogical here. "Hate speech" is nothing more than a term for the minority views that the majority finds most outrageous.

You know what, I have a stunning feeling that you've done no research into the matter and and just spouting off what you believe. Unless you can prove me wrong, I.E. show you know what you are talking about, there's no reason for me to debate you.
 
2006-12-15 02:15:55 AM
Party Boy


I'm not a frequent poster, but I know it is rude to make an assumption about how much research another person has done. I've spent many months and many hours of my free time studying the nature of what I posted about.

That being said, I have to admit all of my research has been about the state of Israel since the holocaust, from when Israel was actually recognized.

Of course, even those who are very well versed, having spent years on the subject, realize that the more you learn, the more you don't actually know.

I'll go back to my research and investigate the Jewish diversity in the land of Israel pre-WW2. Any reading recommendations?

 
2006-12-15 02:16:16 AM
He's totally off his rocker if he thinks that Muslim countries everywhere are not interested in totally destroying the US as well as Israel. The only thing that's preventing them from doing so is our military and political clout (meaning who we give our money to), and if we dumped Israel right now, we would without a doubt be next just as soon as the Muslim world finished fighting over what's left of Israel. That of course assumes Israel wouldn't just beat the total living crap out of all them, which it could easily do with or without our help if it didn't have to worry about minimizing civilian casualties. If it went to total war, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Israel's targets.

The conference on the Holocaust was just an excuse to trash Jews. Whether or not the Holocaust was on the scale given in the history books doesn't matter a whole lot - Germany did hunt down and kill as many of the Jews as they could, and the Islamic world is devoted to slaying or forcibly converting all non-Muslims, including both Jews and Christians. The Holocaust conference was a ploy to distract everyone from the fact that Iran is expanding their nuclear program as fast as possible, and Iran is run by terrorists that want to kill us. I don't think it's a good idea for the US to attack Iran at this time, but I sure as heck would be willing to support Israel doing so any time they feel like it. Iran is an immediate and dangerous threat.

Given, I don't think people who question the Holocaust deserve to be jailed. You should have the right to be a nut, so long as everyone else has the right to flame you in response.
 
2006-12-15 02:16:49 AM
BrotherAlpha

Stop, just stop.The fact that you think that you are so right and informed on the ME gives me chuckles but they're bittersweet. You have yet to answer me on any of my questions, come on man if you know so much then clarify your vague/ FOX News addled thoughts.
 
2006-12-15 02:17:14 AM
BrotherAlpha: You know what, I have a stunning feeling that you've done no research into the matter and and just spouting off what you believe. Unless you can prove me wrong, I.E. show you know what you are talking about, there's no reason for me to debate you.

Of course I'm just spouting off what I belive that's what we're all doing here. I don't need to do any research to know that banning "hate speech" is a bad idea.
 
2006-12-15 02:20:00 AM
BrotherAlpha: The worst you can say about Israel is they treated the Palestians as badly as their fellow Arabs have.


Not "as badly", worse. Israel kicked them out of their homes.
 
2006-12-15 02:21:12 AM
czarangelus, tats:

txforestservice.tamu.edu
this is AF. go DI it.
 
2006-12-15 02:22:09 AM
Churchill2004

I don't think people who are raising kids should be employed as janitors to begin with. Some jobs are meant for people who support only themselves.

"Janitor" is not a class. I said if they want to raise a family, they should get a better job, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so.


What did you mean by some jobs then? You effectively meant any job that pays similar to a janitor. That's pretty much a class. ie. unskilled labour.

I said if they want to raise a family, they should get a better job, and there is nothing preventing them from doing so.

You are somewhat right on an individual level. You fail to grasp that not *everyone* can have a better job. The supply of higher paying jobs is just not there. We need millions of unskilled laborers and many times less engineers and doctors etc.

Capitalism is great for setting prices and regulating supply/demand, but it is totally unconcerned (like some farkers) about whether those at the bottom of the system have enough money to survive. That's why we have a minimum wage and it's here to stay no matter how many morons whine about it. Without it, there would be riots, mass starvation/homelessness and possibly some sort of revolution like has happened before.

You should be thankful that that uneducated masses are placated enough to not feel inclined to throw rocks through your windows or rob your ass when they get hungry.
 
2006-12-15 02:23:39 AM
Somacandra:
1) Hint: Damning with Faint Praise, as you have done, is the dumbest retort ever. That logic merely means that none of the other countries have a "right to exist" either.

I never said that. You are the one that said the right to exist depends on how they treat their citizens. If that means other countries lose their "right to exist" then that is the result of your pathetic argument and has nothing to do with me.

2) And I don't recall any other Middle Eastern contries threatening to strip all local Arabs of their citizenship.

Do some research in the matter. How many places in the ME do people get to vote in meaningful elections? Check out the oppressive religous laws in Saudi Arabia.

3) Both Turkey and Lebanon in particular would like a word with you.

http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html

Israel ranks 54th.
Turkey ranks 84th.
Lebanon ranks 105th.
 
2006-12-15 02:25:28 AM
evajyna:
Stop, just stop.The fact that you think that you are so right and informed on the ME gives me chuckles but they're bittersweet. You have yet to answer me on any of my questions,

You asked what timeframe I meant. I answered you. The fact that you responded with nothing more than an insult is an admission of defeat.
 
2006-12-15 02:26:43 AM
but really, czar,

Actually, the conference is a mockery of Western "free speech" values. They invited a man to speak who was imprisoned in Europe just because he published a book. Sure, it was a stupid, anti-semitic book. But nonetheless, they've done a good job of demonstrating the West's hypocrisy.

the "west"? bullshiat, and you know it. there's a blatant difference between how the US deals with holocaust denial (let perpetrators spread their silliness in the court of public opinion, then get pwnt) and how old axis-property europe deals with it (jail). it's a big difference fueled by history. to lump all that shiat together and chalk it all up to hypocrisy is moronic.

and concerning hypocrisy, i'm going to hold a conference in tehran about whether or not muhammad raped little girls. i'm sure the local authorities will give me the opportunity to express my free speech. because, y'know, that's what this whole thing is about, right?

(dipshiat.)

(fark you.)
 
2006-12-15 02:28:24 AM
BrotherAlpha:
The worst you can say about Israel is they treated the Palestians as badly as their fellow Arabs have.

consdubya
Not "as badly", worse. Israel kicked them out of their homes.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/03/15/saudia3801.htm

Arabs living in Israel get to participate in a secular democracy. That's nearly unique in the Middle East. That alone puts them ahead of most other nations.
 
2006-12-15 02:32:15 AM
For the people that keep mentioned Byrd, lets point out something things:

While Byrd was a member of the Klan, and eventually attained the rank of Officer, or Grand Cyclops, he never progressed further than that, and since then, his attitude has obviously mellowed or he wouldn't be a Democrat, given the issues they support. Hell, in the 1970's, Byrd apologized for all the racist remarks he made in the past, and since then, been given a 100% Approval Rating by the NAACP. Lets also not forget that Robert Byrd is a FOSSIL, he's 89 years-old! Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond were both born in roughly the same time peroid, and they were racist bastards too!

Meanwhile, David Duke (who was born in 1950) FOUNDED the Louisana Knights of the Klu Klux Klan, he wasn't a petty member, he was a LEADER, hell he was the head of the huge klan movement to modernize the Klan nationwide...he's continues his racist beliefs (though he doesn't say he's racist, no, a a 'racial realist') he publishes books about it.
 
2006-12-15 02:32:27 AM
Our one sided and expensive relationship with Irael/Arabs does need a reassessment. The same applies to the Royal families. They're all "shiatty little countries".

I'm sick of paying, defending, selling out our ideals for Western Oil companies and political expediency.

It's all expense, no benefits. Arabs and Jews. I'm sick of them all and their never ending hatefests. It's their Zionist dream, I didn't vote for it no do I really care.

And AIPAC does sucks. I've never heard one justified reason how any foreign country has a right to lobby and essentially bribe another sovereign country's body politic for taxpayer's largesse and and claim it to be beneficial or healthy. Would Israel allow such pressure in their Knesset. I seriously doubt it.

Hint: they'll sell us the oil no matter.

And locking people up for speech under any pretense is fascism pure and simple. Ban them from your countries but prison for an 81 year old historian with "unofficial" views is more dangerous than what they profess. Fight all Hate Laws. You either have the First Amendment or you have something else.

/rant
 
2006-12-15 02:33:01 AM
I do not admit defeat, I admit to slow typing that is all. So you claim that the Palestinians should have accepted the un-fair UN proposal for a Palestinian State? That the Arabs should have accepted significantly less land for a greater population? That would be like me stealing $10,000 from you and then later on offering $3,000 back to you as a deal.

How was the Palestinian state in 1948 going to be developed in Jordan and Egypt? Both countries were generally screwed after the 1948 war and Jordan decided to make friends with Israel. Do you remember who won that war? It wasn't the Arab states I can tell you that much!
 
2006-12-15 02:34:37 AM
BrotherAlpha: 1948 Israel is created and immediately attacked. In the aftermath Gaza Strip is controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. In all of that time, they never form an independent Palestine.


Yup. The arabs are a disorganised rabble. That dosent mean they dont have a right to their homes.

Also, why is everything pre-1948 completely irrelevant? Did that time dissapear into a black hole? How dosent it affect the entire situation?
 
2006-12-15 02:36:55 AM
NewtLover
Me: Well, first you need to took before WWII

How much reading do you want to do? Even a cursory glance might take you longer than you expect.

/mid east amateur

You: I'm not a frequent poster, but I know it is rude to make an assumption about how much research another person has done. I've spent many months and many hours of my free time studying the nature of what I posted about.

That being said, I have to admit all of my research has been about the state of Israel since the holocaust, from when Israel was actually recognized.

Of course, even those who are very well versed, having spent years on the subject, realize that the more you learn, the more you don't actually know.

I'll go back to my research and investigate the Jewish diversity in the land of Israel pre-WW2. Any reading recommendations?


Didnt mean any of that to come off as rude. I'm an amateur at this, as my post states. This area is nowhere near my field of study. However I've recently read a number of articles, books on the subject. Interestingly, many good sources are available online and for free!

If I were to recommend somethng online, it would be some of the UN and relevant primary texts on the issue. Easier to find this freely online than academic works.

Link
The Origins and Evolution
of the Palestine Problem:
1917-1988


PART I

1917-1947


Link
The Middle East 1916 - 2001 : A Documentary Record

LinkAnglo-American Committee of Inquiry 1946

UN
 
2006-12-15 02:39:15 AM
This has only been said 5 times in this post and I feel it bears repeating.
David Duke should DIAF.
That is all.
 
2006-12-15 02:39:19 AM
Funny thing nobody mentions, after the 1948 Israeli war, Israel annexes much of Palestine, the rest of Palestine? Oh, that was annexed too, by Eygpt, Syria and Jordan, who then refused to let the Palestinians from making their own government...whoops.
 
2006-12-15 02:41:02 AM
evajyna

Thank you for a good post. I was merely pointing out why the Palestinians strongly believe the land belongs to them. The right to religious beliefs and the freedom to not ascribe to any, both are inviolable. I guess I hit BbcrackMonkey's troll nerve trying to point it out and he switched to Christian warrior mode.

Cheers.
 
2006-12-15 02:41:50 AM
NewtLover
Hope that helps some

/off to sleep
 
2006-12-15 02:43:27 AM
The Israelies won that dammed war! I don't understand how someone can think that if the Palestinians couldn't set up a government before 1948 that they could have possibly done so directly after the 48 war. I'm sure the newly established government of Jordan had a wonderful time absorbing all of the newly displaced refugees and sure why not, let's set up an EVEN SMALLER Palestinian state than what was proposed in 47! It all makes logical sense doesn't it
 
2006-12-15 02:43:38 AM
FYI,

I will post again, w/o reading the thread, Israel occupies 1/5 of the land mass of Ohio, and has 1/2 of the population. Why all the news?

/loves me some jewish bush...
//questions greatly US aid to Israel
///we do have perm. bases in Iraq now right?
 
2006-12-15 02:45:40 AM
So an American, a Palestinian, and an Israeli are hanging out, and one of them comes across a genie bottle. The genie comes out and states that they have three wishes, one for each.

The Israeli stands tall, and proudly states that he wants all of his people back to their rightful land, Israel, and he wants a 30 foot wall put up around it to keep the Palestinians out.

POOF! Done!

The Palestinian jumps up, pulls back his shoulders and exclaims that he too wants all of his people back to their rightful land, Palestine, and he wants a 30 foot wall put up around it to keep the Israelis out.

POOF! Done!

The genie looks at the American, who is shooting him a sly grin. "What is your wish, my master?"

"Well, I guess you can go ahead and fill em both with water."

/old joke
//not partial of either party

www.jai-pal.org = www.tampabayprimer.org
 
C-J
2006-12-15 02:46:57 AM
Party Boy

You may very well be my new favorite farker.

Thank you for reminding me there is hope for Fark-kind; especially after roughly 600 posts filled with idiotic, sometimes racist, self-rightious comments which are less about valid argument and more about who has the bigger e-cock.
 
2006-12-15 02:47:31 AM
Just dropped in to say that if you do a word search for my name, you can read my argument proving that the founding of Israel in 1948 violated Jewish law. The argument was made and overcame everyone's objections, including Tatsuma's.

My first book on Jewish law is forthcoming.
 
2006-12-15 02:51:13 AM
BrotherAlpha:
1948 Israel is created and immediately attacked. In the aftermath Gaza Strip is controlled by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan. In all of that time, they never form an independent Palestine.

consdubya:
Yup. The arabs are a disorganised rabble. That dosent mean they dont have a right to their homes.

Disorganized? You'd be hard pressed to find any evidence they even attempted to become a nation. The problem is, a lot of people claim HAMAS are attacking Israel in order to free their people and become a nation. However, when given that chance, they didn't bother. So it seems more likely that HAMAS are terrorists trying to kill all the Jews.

consdubya:
Also, why is everything pre-1948 completely irrelevant? Did that time dissapear into a black hole? How dosent it affect the entire situation?

Oh, you don't want to get into pre-1948. The Jews were not treated fairly in that timeframe either. Look up the number of riots, killings, etc. Also, you'd find that All of Israel, Gaza Strip, West Bank, and Jordan were originally set aside to be the Jewish state.
 
2006-12-15 02:54:08 AM
beoweasel

"For the people that keep mentioned Byrd, lets point out something things:" (and Strom and Duke)

Can't accept your argument that Byrd and Thurmond and Duke's participation/motives/severity in the KKK can be conditional. Their mindsets are the same.

Putting lipstick on a pig changes nothing.

Byrd has used the N-word even recently, Duke backtracked on this video about Jews/Zionists.

To me it just shows your partisanship in politics.
 
2006-12-15 02:55:41 AM
In the video, Duke says that "Even the Washington Post says that 60% of the contribution for the Republican party comes from Jewish sources."?

In an interview with Joe Scarborough excerpted here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959495/, Duke says "The "Wall Street Journal" itself talked about 50 percent of the contributions for Republicans and even more for Democrats, come from Jewish sources."

Methinks he plays loose and free with the facts.
 
2006-12-15 02:58:16 AM
Somacandra: Doesn't the existence of any nation-state derive its very legitimacy from how it treats all of its citizens?

Are you serious? The existence of any nation-state derives its legitimacy from its ability to maintain itself, period. If a small minority of the population has power and control in a great enough quantity to maintain the state - the state exists. If a collection of people have a social contract they all implicitly agree upon to elect leaders of their state - the state exists. If one person can make just enough other people follow him/her in order to defend the state - the state exists.

You know this! There are countless states that exist in the world without any regard to how they treat their people. There are countless states that exist who do regard how they treat their people. The only common thread any of them have is that they all have the ability to make sure, at the end of the day, they remain states.
 
2006-12-15 03:01:43 AM
Executive Monkey: Just dropped in to say that if you do a word search for my name, you can read my argument proving that the founding of Israel in 1948 violated Jewish law. The argument was made and overcame everyone's objections, including Tatsuma's.

I'm feverishly clicking on refresh to see whether Tatsuma is going to come back.
 
2006-12-15 03:06:36 AM
Throughout the entire video I just couldn't stop staring at Duke's, uh... 'hair'. Even if he weren't a raving loon it would make it awfully tough to take him seriously.
 
2006-12-15 03:08:47 AM
BudTheSpud: I thought KKK members hated anyone but whites? Whats he doing cozying up to Arabs? Someone should ask him what he thinks of the black influence on society, then we'll really see some nuttiness, let alone his opinions on Jews.

In all fairness, David Duke is a FORMER member of the KKK. Here is the strategy that all media outlets use regardless of their political views. You take statements that are true and you get the least credible credible person on to the deliver the message. People immediately discount David Duke because of his past. By having him make the statement and reiterating his past involvement with the KKK, people are geared to discount is as a racist rant without consideration.

He's not wrong. He's just the wrong person to say it. Jimmy Carter is a credible person, and is making the same statements. It is much harder to make his point of view come off as racist ranting because the reality is it is not.

Wolf Blitzer, as I understand it, is a member of AIPAC. I don't give a shiat what lobbyist/special interest group you work for, if you are an international news correspondent or politician, it is a conflict of interest. The danger of ethical integrity failure should be questioned.
 
2006-12-15 03:11:11 AM
Clarky

I thought KKK members hated anyone but whites? Whats he doing cozying up to Arabs?

Technically he's cozying up to Persians, who are basically in the same ethnic group as caucasians.
 
2006-12-15 03:12:01 AM
The Klan was also very much against Catholics, historically.
 
2006-12-15 03:12:33 AM
Unreconconfederate: Can't accept your argument that Byrd and Thurmond and Duke's participation/motives/severity in the KKK can be conditional. Their mindsets are the same.

Putting lipstick on a pig changes nothing.

Byrd has used the N-word even recently


Are you sure he wasn't just singing along to a 50 Cent album?

But no, seriously. Aside from "using the N-word", what bills or laws has Byrd supported, at any point in his political career, that were part of the White Supremacist agenda?

Really. I would like to know specifics. Surely if he's still a racial nationalist, some part of his voting record should reflect that.

If you can't name specifics, maybe it's all a load of bullshiat.
 
2006-12-15 03:13:46 AM
this guy's hate is unbelievable.

/he would get locked up for this in canada
 
2006-12-15 03:13:47 AM
The only reason David Duke had anything remotely correct-sounding to say is because of the stupid laws in Europe against denying the Holocaust. The fools who made those laws gave this idiotic conference a good-sounding mask to hide behind.
 
2006-12-15 03:25:35 AM
Executive Monkey: The Klan was also very much against Catholics, historically.

So were the Puritans.

booyamcnasty: /he would get locked up for this in canada

THAT would actually further his cause. I still believe people should have the right to be stupid, and there's no country on earth that protects it better than the US. We do so because sometimes the smart get in the same boat.
 
2006-12-15 03:25:45 AM
Hayes

The only reason David Duke had anything remotely correct-sounding to say is because of the stupid laws in Europe against denying the Holocaust. The fools who made those laws gave this idiotic conference a good-sounding mask to hide behind.

Well duh but why did dose fools make dose laws?
 
2006-12-15 03:27:00 AM
Tatsuma: I love it when germans tell me how shadowy Jewish organizations control governments

Wow. Just Wow.
 
2006-12-15 03:28:11 AM
consdubya: Also, why is everything pre-1948 completely irrelevant?


the vast majority of Palestiniand are under 40, born after 1967, all they've known it the Israeli boot on their neck or up their ass. "The post 1967 situation is what fuels resentment among young, modern Arabs. The cycle of violence, the fact that Israel's actions are always labeled as a "response" while Palestine's are always labeled an "attack" in Western media, the occupation of territory, the sniping of children, and especially the fact that Western nations (esp. the U.S.) fail to reel in or pressure Israel -- instead giving them more and more money -- paints an ugly picture to mainstream Arabs and Muslims who are forming their political views and deciding where their sympathies lie. These are the people who could choose to become decent, religiously and politically open-minded adults, or could choose to become militant, al-Qaeda supporting terrorists or terrorist funders. They watch and what they see is not Israel acting because of what happened in 1947, but Israel calculatedly choosing to play into a cycle of violence when it clearly has the power and intelligence to do otherwise. What we know for certain is that Israel's methods of using disproportionate response against their attackers do absolutely nothing to stop the cycle of violence, but rather keeps it going. It is also clear that a significant portion of the IDF and Israel's right-wing government view Palestinian life as utterly expendable. It is disheartening to see people defend this. To defend it is to play into the worst kind of brainwashed mentality"


The cure for the the Middle-East conflict is well known and has been well known for decades.
- Clinton's Peace Plan, the Nusseiba-Ayalon Plan, the Saudi Peace Initiative, Bush's Road Map, Oslo, Taba summit are all pretty much the same.
there is very little difference between them,

They all include clear measures that Israel has to take in order to make peace:

1.Dismantle the settlements,
2. withdraw its soldiers and civilians from the occupied territories,
3. Create a viable Palestinian state,
4.find a solution for the Palestinian refugees' right of return.
5. Find a way to guarantee Israeli security. Altho' I belive having nukes addresses that.
6. A creative way to reward Israel for giving up what it feels it has won in war.

The problem is Israel refuses to take these steps peace
developing new plans is a waste of time.
Israel want to keep the West Bank
Israel has not dismantled a single settlement built there, and has never ceased to take Palestinian lands
The "by-pass roads,"
The "checkpoints,"
The relentless harassment of the Palestinian population, and, now the Apartheid Wall.
Aparthied South Africa

www.sahistory.org.za

The West Bank
www.mideastweb.org

Jewish settlement population 1972- 2004
www.fmep.org

www.usafricaonline.com
" We identify with the PLO because, just like ourselves, they are fighting for the right of self-determination. I support Israel's right to exist, but that doesn't mean that Israel has the right to retain the territories they conquered from the Arab world."

"Israel should withdraw from all the areas which it won from the Arabs in 1967, and in particular Israel should withdraw completely from the Golan Heights, from south Lebanon and from the West Bank."

Following his release from prison in 1990, Mandela said, "Almost every country in the world -- except Israel" had invited him to visit.
Israel's invitation came only in 1994, but then the peace process did not make a visit politic. However, he now decided to show a spirit of forgiveness and reconciliation.
"To the many people who have questioned why I came, I say: Israel worked very closely with the apartheid regime. I say: I've made peace with many men who slaughtered our people like animals. Israel cooperated with the apartheid regime, but it did not participate in any atrocities," he said.
 
2006-12-15 03:28:20 AM
booyamcnasty

this guy's hate is unbelievable.

/he would get locked up for this in canada


Well I's glad I ain't in Canada cuz you'll must hate free speech over dare. All hail Stalin.
 
2006-12-15 03:35:53 AM
Tatsuma: "No longer" existing?

There never was a "Palestine" country. How can it "no longer" exist?


By that rationale, there was never a country of Israel.
 
2006-12-15 03:36:05 AM
Wait.. why do we send Israel 4 million a year? Just wondering. Perhaps we are a bit one-sided.
 
2006-12-15 03:37:59 AM
audioholic

Well I's glad I ain't in Canada cuz you'll must hate free speech over dare. All hail Stalin.

Exactly. We stand for freedom of speech in this country, and that includes letting the dumbasses speak their minds. Just like David Irving.

/liberal/progressive
//hates these bastards
///they get their say
////America- F*CK YEAH! :)
 
2006-12-15 03:41:18 AM
Tatsuma

Zionism is a belief that Israel has a right to exist

Oh really? Then why don't they stay in Israel? This definition makes more sense to me;

In its current form Zionism seeks to dominate all of Palestine and the Middle East by means of violence and the threat of violence (using weapons manufactured and purchased with billions of dollars of "aid" supplied by the United States at taxpayer expense) and to maximize its influence in world affairs and in world history, principally by means of control of the government of the USA (primarily by blackmailing its many corrupt politicians), at the expense of the social wellbeing not only of the Palestinians but of the peoples of all lands.

Think about it.
 
2006-12-15 03:42:10 AM
Hickory-smoked If you can't name specifics, maybe it's all a load of bullshiat.

Of course, They just used those burning crosses to roast their marshmallows vertically. He's been caught being verbally racist just a few years ago so loving and tolerant he has become in his old age. BTW, he begged Ted Turner to be a CSA General in his "Gods and General" movie. His spots haven't changed

But if you think Robert Byrd truly believes in the equality between minorities and whites, go ahead. In your mind his father was a JC reincarnate. He's just learned to try and keep his mouth/views shut.

Who said he was a racist nationalist except you? Or that "racist" legislation must be the sole qualification to make your "tolerance" grade? Words to me are as important as actions for a politician. Duke never submitted any Federal bills (never in office) so is he off you criteria. as well?

Aside from "using the N-word" you ask?

He's just your kind of approved Democratic racist. It's your right.

IMO, he's the same as Duke ans Strom.
 
2006-12-15 03:46:14 AM
audioholic Tatsuma's not going to think on it; his whole goal is the expansion of Israel.

I don't beleive in Zionism. I don't beleive in worshipping invisible Gods or holy barren desert land. Israel is costing American taxpayers a fortune to maintain. Offer American sovereignty to Israelies and then pull all funding. Then we can let the Arab middle east DIAF fighting each other like they always do when there's no one else to fight.
 
2006-12-15 03:51:09 AM
Cerebral Ballsy

I don't beleive in Zionism. I don't beleive in worshipping invisible Gods or holy barren desert land. Israel is costing American taxpayers a fortune to maintain. Offer American sovereignty to Israelies and then pull all funding. Then we can let the Arab middle east DIAF fighting each other like they always do when there's no one else to fight.

Alright, but who gets the Temple Mount?
 
2006-12-15 03:58:27 AM
Hooray! A link to ignorant nonsense!

Thank god I don't watch CNN. I'm not even going to repeat the nonsense he said about Israel and Iraq for fear that somebody might believe it just a LITTLE bit.
 
2006-12-15 04:01:07 AM
Now when anyone questions the role of the neocons in selling this war, their defenders will say "Well, I guess you and David Duke share something in common." Great. BTW, I went to Duke's site (my IP must be on some NSA list now), and surprise, surprise, he's still denigrating blacks, hispanics, non-Christians, and any non-white person. So I come down on it this way: Unless you're in denial, Jews have inordinate influence through their roles in high finance, the media, and politics. However, if the alternative is people like David Duke or Pat Buchanan, then maybe we should keep things as they are.

/thinks AIPAC should be registered as an agent of a foreign government;
 
2006-12-15 04:01:44 AM
Two grown men arguing about delusional nonsense. I thought I had seen paranoia before, but this takes the cake.

Everyone knows Ronald McDonald rules the world, idiots.

/Secretly controlled by Agent Smith
 
2006-12-15 04:04:59 AM
Cerebral Ballsy

Israel is costing American taxpayers a fortune to maintain.


But...but...aren't those wealthy American Jews who control the media, Hollywood, the banks, the jewelry stores, etc. the ones really footing the bill???


/am Jewish so I think I can make these kinds of jokes