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2006-12-15 10:33:32 AM  
What points? Jews are greedy, Jews only stick to each others, it's the Jews' fault if they are persecuted, if Jews keep acting up there will be another Holocaust, you can't trust Jews, Jews behave like animals?

You want me to address these points?
 
2006-12-15 10:34:29 AM  
As an aside: the Gypsies, or Roma, are a "race", well if by race you mean an ethnic group.

And between 200 000 and 800 000 died at the hands of the Nazis.

Source: What else, Wikipedia of course.
 
2006-12-15 10:34:48 AM  
KlumTheFark: You are a supremacist if you believe Zionism is greater than the Palestinians beliefs even it means violating their rights by occupation. Also, Last time I checked countering with 'Just because' never validated anything. You have the right to worship in whatever you believe but you cannot uphold Jewish law to justify your destiny.

Do you know what a Dhimmi is? Islam is PAR EXCELLENCE a religion that forces other to conform to it's beliefs. Jewish Law affects Jews, Shariah affects everyone

And finish your sentence.. UN created what exactly? The entire fiasco?

Created the country by a 33 to 13 vote.
 
2006-12-15 10:35:35 AM  
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: As an aside: the Gypsies, or Roma, are a "race", well if by race you mean an ethnic group.

I know, it was cleared up the last time I asked. I know about how many of them died, I was asking if they were a race on a biological level or merely as an ethnic group and it turns out it's both
 
2006-12-15 10:36:45 AM  
Tatsuma: Here you are plainly vomitting on the Jews and that's all you've been doing in this thread.


Apart from the last quote, which was a joke based on bbcrackmonkey asking if he could have you as a pet, all of those statements do not rubbish jewish people. It questions them.

The first quote, was to say that I once thought that any criticism of Israel was anti-semetic as well, until I opened my eyes.
 
2006-12-15 10:37:21 AM  
"Quote and context, please? Maybe I was making a difference between the nationality"

I'll try to find the thread. Probably like 2 months back at this point. I don't remember what you were responding to.
 
2006-12-15 10:39:59 AM  
It took Duke exactly 1:20 to say "Do you hate America?"


What a farktard.
 
2006-12-15 10:40:00 AM  
Tatsuma: race on a biological level or merely as an ethnic group

I don't understand that: "race on a biological level". What are those? Is it just based on color of the skin? Black/White/Red/Yellow? If not, what's the difference between ethnic group and race?

/not trying to argue with you
//just curious
 
2006-12-15 10:41:06 AM  
BiggityBanninated: It took Duke exactly 1:20 to say "Do you hate America?"

What a farktard.


You know. This thread was hard for me because every time I saw Duke I thought for a split-second that people were talking about me and, for the most part, insulting me.
 
2006-12-15 10:42:35 AM  
consdubya: Apart from the last quote, which was a joke based on bbcrackmonkey asking if he could have you as a pet, all of those statements do not rubbish jewish people. It questions them.

No, it doesn't question them. When you say

I thought I could never criticise a Jew after the holocaust, but turns out all my sympathy has evaporated when looking at what the state of Israel does.

You are not questioning anything. You are saying that Jews worldwide are responsible for the actions of Israel and deserve no sympathy because of it

If you and people like you keep up acting the way you are, you, and unfortunately your entire people, might be asked to hit the showers again very soon

You are not questioning anything. You are saying that if Jews keep on defending themselves in Israel, Jews all over will be sent to the death camps once again

The jewish culture is to stick to other jews, help other jews and work with other jews. This often results in people who are not jews feeling excluded, and getting irrational and angry as a result.

You are not questioning anything. You are saying that Jews only care about Jews and it's normal to be angry at the Jews because of it

I dont know what it is, but for some reason every jew I have ever met has been very good with money, almost bordering on stinginess or greed. This is also a bit of a stereotype, but a partially true one.

You are not questioning anything. You are saying that Jews are greedy, at least most of the time

So basically, if you refuse to work closely with people who are not the same as you, and as a result you and the people that are the same as you profit, the people that are not the same as you will take offence. Its human nature.

You are not questioning anything. You are saying Jews only care about other Jews but they will use non-Jews for profits and make sure other Jews profit from this as well and that's why people get angry at Jews

All I am saying, is that maybe the jews need to change parts of their culture to fit into the modern world better.

You are not questioning anything. You are saying Jews need to change if they want the world to accept them

My source is personal experience, sure, not a credible source, or definative in any way, but dont underestimate the power of it. This particular jewish stereotype (greed) is based in the personal experience of many people throughout time. I believe this stereotype exists due to Jews segregating themselves from society.

You are not questioning anything. You are saying Jews are cheap

You are not questioning anything
 
2006-12-15 10:43:24 AM  
The Duke of Carrot Flowers: I don't understand that: "race on a biological level". What are those? Is it just based on color of the skin? Black/White/Red/Yellow? If not, what's the difference between ethnic group and race?

Shared DNA, mostly
 
2006-12-15 10:44:38 AM  
Tatsuma: What points?


Jews are greedy, Jews only stick to each others,


Where do you think these stereotypes come from?

it's the Jews' fault if they are persecuted,

No, I was very careful to say I was not blaming the victim.

I did say that Judaeism might want to have a look at itself and check if some of its teachings are somewhat detrimental to the good of its followers.

You expect Islam to do this because they have extremeists.

if Jews keep acting up there will be another Holocaust,

I can assure you I would never take part in anything like this, I would speak out against it. Warning you of the possibility does not equate to me making the threat or endorsing it.

you can't trust Jews, Jews behave like animals?

You say the exact same things about palestinians. I was only saying that to you to show you what it is like.

You want me to address these points?

Yes.
 
2006-12-15 10:46:05 AM  
Tatsuma: Shared DNA, mostly

Yeah, I thought that ethnic-group also referred to shared DNA but it turns out that it's mostly a social construct. Oh well.
 
2006-12-15 10:46:53 AM  
consdubya: all of those statements do not rubbish jewish people. It questions them.


Me, too! That's why above I launched my serious, consdubya-esque, definitely-not-anti-Semitic critique:


The other day, right, I saw these Jews . . . all hanging out together in the Jewish temple. I couldn't believe it. I mean, they weren't headin' to the Catholic church or minglin' with the Presbyterians or patronizing the Methodists' house of the worship-or even going under Baptist waters. The nerve of them!

And, like, the other day I came across this Jew, right? (He must have strayed from a big Jew caravan, you know, 'cause they all stick together like crazy Jewish Gypsies.) And he was hangin' out-get this-with his Jewish wife and family. Uh-huh, you heard that right: not his Mormon or Buddhist relatives, his Jewish ones.

Sick!



Notice that even Tatsuma can't bring himself to defend this kind of behavior.
 
2006-12-15 10:48:39 AM  
Tatsuma: You are not questioning anything

Ok.

So are Germans efficient, ruthless and into shiateating? All of them?

Are they all brutal?

If not, where do these stereotypes come from?
 
2006-12-15 10:49:35 AM  
consdubya: Where do you think these stereotypes come from?

From Medieval Europe where they were forced to take banking as a profession

Jews were incredibly poor for most of History, even in the 30s in Germany since they had been stripped of their businesses

No, I was very careful to say I was not blaming the victim.

No, you said there was something wrong with "Jewish culture" and that's why. You even said that it was ok to question the victim earlier

hy are we not allowed to have a look at what the victim is doing, that results in them being victimised?

I know it's not ok to check what rape victims did, but why are we not allowed to see if they are dressing and acting in a way that makes them easy to victimize?

I did say that Judaeism might want to have a look at itself and check if some of its teachings are somewhat detrimental to the good of its followers.

No you didn't, you said "Jews", not Judaism

Warning you of the possibility does not equate to me making the threat or endorsing it.

You made a direct threat.

You say the exact same things about palestinians.

No I don't

I was only saying that to you to show you what it is like.

No you weren't. You constantly say that Jews are acting like animals and you are not talking to me, and you weren't talking to me earlier

You know what's the bad thing about the internet? What you say stays right in front of you
 
2006-12-15 10:51:51 AM  
consdubya: If not, where do these stereotypes come from?

What the hell are you ranting about?

Your excuse of me pointing out your anti-semitic comments is "Well, people stereotype germans too!1"?

The Duke of Carrot Flowers: Yeah, I thought that ethnic-group also referred to shared DNA but it turns out that it's mostly a social construct. Oh well.

Cheers, you learned something new and that's what Fark is all about
 
2006-12-15 10:52:54 AM  
consdubya: Jews are greedy, Jews only stick to each others,

Where do you think these stereotypes come from?



I know! I know! And word on the street is that the Jews also grind up baby goyim for their Matzo. At first you might be reluctant to believe such a thing, but hey, stereotypes have to come from somewhere. So it must be true.
 
2006-12-15 10:53:21 AM  
Smirkles: Uh-huh, you heard that right: not his Mormon or Buddhist relatives, his Jewish ones.


Maybe you dont get it, but its not judaeism in particular I am having a go at. It is religion in general. Which is the whole problem here. Religion. These asshats do what they do because of religion. They segregate because of religion. The more religious, the more they segregate.
 
2006-12-15 10:54:11 AM  
consdubya

Tatsuma: Want me to go on?


Go for it dude.

Pointless if you do not address the points though......


And it is pointless and childish for you to continue the discussion when you don't acknowledge the points he made:

that the language and intent of your wording is pointedly anti-Jewish.

So at this point, what is being argued is just how big an asshole you are.
 
2006-12-15 10:54:18 AM  
Tatsuma: Cheers, you learned something new and that's what Fark is all about

It is? I always thought it was supposed to be a place where one can reinforce his pre-conceived notions about politics, economics, culture and religion.

Damn. I have to get out of here!
 
2006-12-15 10:54:35 AM  
consdubya: Maybe you dont get it, but its not judaeism in particular I am having a go at. It is religion in general. Which is the whole problem here.

You're not even having a go at Judaism, you're having a go at JEWS

And smirkles said it even better than me

Smirkles: I know! I know! And word on the street is that the Jews also grind up baby goyim for their Matzo. At first you might be reluctant to believe such a thing, but hey, stereotypes have to come from somewhere. So it must be true.
 
2006-12-15 10:55:48 AM  
TheFredSavages: And it is pointless and childish for you to continue the discussion when you don't acknowledge the points he made:

that the language and intent of your wording is pointedly anti-Jewish.

So at this point, what is being argued is just how big an asshole you are.


Exactly.

I don't think some people realize that when you post things in the internet, you can't exactly deny you said these things

The Duke of Carrot Flowers: It is? I always thought it was supposed to be a place where one can reinforce his pre-conceived notions about politics, economics, culture and religion.

Damn. I have to get out of here!


It's not? fark!
 
2006-12-15 10:56:34 AM  
Tatsuma: What the hell are you ranting about?

Your excuse of me pointing out your anti-semitic comments is "Well, people stereotype germans too!1"?



What I am ranting about is that some jews, the zionist ones, allow no discussion or critisism of themselves, otherwise the anti-semitism card comes immediately.

I am happy to discuss where the german stereotypes come from, and will listen and take aboard critisism of our culture.
 
2006-12-15 10:58:44 AM  
consdubya: What I am ranting about is that some jews, the zionist ones, allow no discussion or critisism of themselves, otherwise the anti-semitism card comes immediately.

No, that's not what you are ranting about

You don't say "zionists" are greedy or even "some Jews"

You say Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews.

Man up and look in a mirror
 
2006-12-15 11:00:05 AM  
Tatsuma

Do you know what a Dhimmi is? Islam is PAR EXCELLENCE a religion that forces other to conform to it's beliefs. Jewish Law affects Jews, Shariah affects everyone


Ok wait, Let me get this straight. You know or are an expert at Shariah too?, or is your perception of Sharia a stereotype formed on the developments from the uncivilsed brutal Taliban, who 'imposed' their version of Sharia law in Afghanistan? Like the streotype of Jews being cruel, shrewd, ruthless and untrustworthy?.. you see where this is going?

But now you are implying the your version of jurispendence is better than Islamic one, although both, the right to follow either religion is inviolable. The first obstacle that you have to overcome is hatred you have deeply rooted for Palestinians and they have for you inorder to sort something out (will never happen). Something must've happened to make them want to give up their lives, now rendered meaningless after living in shiathole. Aslo, the whole escalation of terrorism and violence is because of the Israel/Palestine conflict.

/I have nothing against jews, I let a jew have is way with me in high school - you know, in the dark, mute sex.
 
2006-12-15 11:01:35 AM  
Tatsuma [TotalFark]

Cheers, you learned something new and that's what Fark is all about


Really? I'm not criticizing you-- I think you are an OK guy, and I respect your erudition. But do you seriously think the majority of people come here to learn?

If I were to allow myself to get there, I'd be seriously saddened by the stubborn ignorance and creeping, radioactive hate I see here.

Sure, you have insightful and thoughtful comments. I believe that those comments make up, at most, 20% of the posts.
 
2006-12-15 11:02:23 AM  
Its almost as if you asshats want me to hate jews!

WTF is wrong with you?

How many more times can I say it?

I do not hate Jews

By calling people anti-semites who are clearly not, only because they question your religion and actions in Israel, you are taking a big steaming dump on the graves of the 6 million dead in the camps.

You want to be able to feel persecuted for some reason. It gets you off or something. Its perverse.

And its not all jews who are like this, its the Zionist creeps. Israel is to the Jews what the evangelical rapture crowd is to christianity and what jihadis are to Islam. A disgusting cancer that needs to be delt with.
 
2006-12-15 11:02:37 AM  
The Duke of Carrot Flowers

Right!
 
2006-12-15 11:05:03 AM  
Holy crap, Im shiatting my pants

Everybody
Link

I have a better article around here, but cant find it. this will have to do.

American Anthropological Association
Statement on "Race"

(May 17, 1998)

The following statement was adopted by the Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association, acting on a draft prepared by a committee of representative American anthropologists. It does not reflect a consensus of all members of the AAA, as individuals vary in their approaches to the study of "race." We believe that it represents generally the contemporary thinking and scholarly positions of a majority of anthropologists.

In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.

Physical variations in any given trait tend to occur gradually rather than abruptly over geographic areas. And because physical traits are inherited independently of one another, knowing the range of one trait does not predict the presence of others. For example, skin color varies largely from light in the temperate areas in the north to dark in the tropical areas in the south; its intensity is not related to nose shape or hair texture. Dark skin may be associated with frizzy or kinky hair or curly or wavy or straight hair, all of which are found among different indigenous peoples in tropical regions. These facts render any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations both arbitrary and subjective.

Historical research has shown that the idea of "race" has always carried more meanings than mere physical differences; indeed, physical variations in the human species have no meaning except the social ones that humans put on them. Today scholars in many fields argue that "race" as it is understood in the United States of America was a social mechanism invented during the 18th century to refer to those populations brought together in colonial America: the English and other European settlers, the conquered Indian peoples, and those peoples of Africa brought in to provide slave labor.

From its inception, this modern concept of "race" was modeled after an ancient theorem of the Great Chain of Being, which posited natural categories on a hierarchy established by God or nature. Thus "race" was a mode of classification linked specifically to peoples in the colonial situation. It subsumed a growing ideology of inequality devised to rationalize European attitudes and treatment of the conquered and enslaved peoples. Proponents of slavery in particular during the 19th century used "race" to justify the retention of slavery. The ideology magnified the differences among Europeans, Africans, and Indians, established a rigid hierarchy of socially exclusive categories underscored and bolstered unequal rank and status differences, and provided the rationalization that the inequality was natural or God-given. The different physical traits of African-Americans and Indians became markers or symbols of their status differences.

As they were constructing US society, leaders among European-Americans fabricated the cultural/behavioral characteristics associated with each "race," linking superior traits with Europeans and negative and inferior ones to blacks and Indians. Numerous arbitrary and fictitious beliefs about the different peoples were institutionalized and deeply embedded in American thought.

Early in the 19th century the growing fields of science began to reflect the public consciousness about human differences. Differences among the "racial" categories were projected to their greatest extreme when the argument was posed that Africans, Indians, and Europeans were separate species, with Africans the least human and closer taxonomically to apes.

Ultimately "race" as an ideology about human differences was subsequently spread to other areas of the world. It became a strategy for dividing, ranking, and controlling colonized people used by colonial powers everywhere. But it was not limited to the colonial situation. In the latter part of the 19th century it was employed by Europeans to rank one another and to justify social, economic, and political inequalities among their peoples. During World War II, the Nazis under Adolf Hitler enjoined the expanded ideology of "race" and "racial" differences and took them to a logical end: the extermination of 11 million people of "inferior races" (e.g., Jews, Gypsies, Africans, homosexuals, and so forth) and other unspeakable brutalities of the Holocaust.

"Race" thus evolved as a worldview, a body of prejudgments that distorts our ideas about human differences and group behavior. Racial beliefs constitute myths about the diversity in the human species and about the abilities and behavior of people homogenized into "racial" categories. The myths fused behavior and physical features together in the public mind, impeding our comprehension of both biological variations and cultural behavior, implying that both are genetically determined. Racial myths bear no relationship to the reality of human capabilities or behavior. Scientists today find that reliance on such folk beliefs about human differences in research has led to countless errors.

At the end of the 20th century, we now understand that human cultural behavior is learned, conditioned into infants beginning at birth, and always subject to modification. No human is born with a built-in culture or language. Our temperaments, dispositions, and personalities, regardless of genetic propensities, are developed within sets of meanings and values that we call "culture." Studies of infant and early childhood learning and behavior attest to the reality of our cultures in forming who we are.

It is a basic tenet of anthropological knowledge that all normal human beings have the capacity to learn any cultural behavior. The American experience with immigrants from hundreds of different language and cultural backgrounds who have acquired some version of American culture traits and behavior is the clearest evidence of this fact. Moreover, people of all physical variations have learned different cultural behaviors and continue to do so as modern transportation moves millions of immigrants around the world.

How people have been accepted and treated within the context of a given society or culture has a direct impact on how they perform in that society. The "racial" worldview was invented to assign some groups to perpetual low status, while others were permitted access to privilege, power, and wealth. The tragedy in the United States has been that the policies and practices stemming from this worldview succeeded all too well in constructing unequal populations among Europeans, Native Americans, and peoples of African descent. Given what we know about the capacity of normal humans to achieve and function within any culture, we conclude that present-day inequalities between so-called "racial" groups are not consequences of their biological inheritance but products of historical and contemporary social, economic, educational, and political circumstances.
 
2006-12-15 11:05:07 AM  
Tatsuma: You say Jews Jews Jews Jews Jews.

And you say "Palestinians".

I am only trying to turn your words on palestinians around on you.

Man up and look in a mirror

Oh the irony......
 
2006-12-15 11:05:10 AM  
members.cox.net,
 
2006-12-15 11:05:30 AM  
TheFredSavages: Really? I'm not criticizing you-- I think you are an OK guy, and I respect your erudition. But do you seriously think the majority of people come here to learn?

No, but then again, the majority of people out there are not interested in learning, on Fark or elsewhere

If I were to allow myself to get there, I'd be seriously saddened by the stubborn ignorance and creeping, radioactive hate I see here.

Sure, you have insightful and thoughtful comments. I believe that those comments make up, at most, 20% of the posts.


Thank you and, well, I come here for the 20% of other people. I try to walk away from a discussion with something new. Otherwise I'd just be wasting my time

KlumTheFark: Ok wait, Let me get this straight. You know or are an expert at Shariah too?, or is your perception of Sharia a stereotype formed on the developments from the uncivilsed brutal Taliban, who 'imposed' their version of Sharia law in Afghanistan? Like the streotype of Jews being cruel, shrewd, ruthless and untrustworthy?.. you see where this is going?

I'm not expert on Shariah or Islam, but I've read my fair share of books and actually spoke to a few Jews who were under Shariah before they were kicked into Israel by Arab armies that wanted to exterminate them

But now you are implying the your version of jurispendence is better than Islamic one

No, I'm implying Jewish Law is better for Jews

. The first obstacle that you have to overcome is hatred you have deeply rooted for Palestinians and they have for you inorder to sort something out (will never happen)


I don't hate palestinians, I'm in a meeting group in Montreal with Palestinians and Jews and we agree on most points.

Something must've happened to make them want to give up their lives, now rendered meaningless after living in shiathole. Aslo, the whole escalation of terrorism and violence is because of the Israel/Palestine conflict.

Terrorism started before Israel entered Gaza, Judea and Samaria.
 
2006-12-15 11:08:19 AM  
consdubya: Its almost as if you asshats want me to hate jews!

WTF is wrong with you?

How many more times can I say it?

I do not hate Jews

By calling people anti-semites who are clearly not, only because they question your religion and actions in Israel, you are taking a big steaming dump on the graves of the 6 million dead in the camps.


You are not criticizing Israel, Zionists or Judaism. All your statements so far are directed to JEWS

And its not all jews who are like this, its the Zionist creeps. Israel is to the Jews what the evangelical rapture crowd is to christianity and what jihadis are to Islam. A disgusting cancer that needs to be delt with.

About 80 to 90% of Jews worldwide are zionists. You are describing the only Jewish Homeland as a "cancer".

You are not helping your case

And you say "Palestinians".

No I don't

I am only trying to turn your words on palestinians around on you.

No you're not. All these statements you were saying to someone other than me, when I wasn't participating in the discussion, you liar
 
2006-12-15 11:10:52 AM  
consdubya: Yes I am tired of being called a Nazi each time I reveal the fact that I am German.

Was it over when the Japanese firebombed Dresden? No on eis stereotyped unless we stereotype them...where was I going with this?
 
2006-12-15 11:11:14 AM  
consdubya

Its almost as if you asshats want me to hate jews!

WTF is wrong with you?

How many more times can I say it?

I do not hate Jews

By calling people anti-semites who are clearly not, only because they question your religion and actions in Israel, you are taking a big steaming dump on the graves of the 6 million dead in the camps.

You want to be able to feel persecuted for some reason. It gets you off or something. Its perverse.

And its not all jews who are like this, its the Zionist creeps. Israel is to the Jews what the evangelical rapture crowd is to christianity and what jihadis are to Islam. A disgusting cancer that needs to be delt with.




Here's a quote from you



I thought I could never criticise a Jew after the holocaust, but turns out all my sympathy has evaporated when looking at what the state of Israel does.

So why is it that the jews, after more than 2000 years, have still not managed to integrate with wider society in a way that enables them not to be killed off every 100 years or so?

If you and people like you keep up acting the way you are, you, and unfortunately your entire people, might be asked to hit the showers again very soon

I reckon the Israelis behave like animals, thus they should be treated as such.

The jewish culture is to stick to other jews, help other jews and work with other jews. This often results in people who are not jews feeling excluded, and getting irrational and angry as a result.

I dont know what it is, but for some reason every jew I have ever met has been very good with money, almost bordering on stinginess or greed. This is also a bit of a stereotype, but a partially true one.

So basically, if you refuse to work closely with people who are not the same as you, and as a result you and the people that are the same as you profit, the people that are not the same as you will take offence. Its human nature.

All I am saying, is that maybe the jews need to change parts of their culture to fit into the modern world better.


OK, this is my favorite quote from you:

If you and people like you keep up acting the way you are, you, and unfortunately your entire people, might be asked to hit the showers again very soon

Wow.
 
2006-12-15 11:12:21 AM  
Science
DNA Studies Challenge the Meaning of Race
Eliot Marshall

According to geneticists and anthropologists, genetic diversity appears to fall along a continuum, with no clear breaks delineating different groups. But, ironically, researchers studying genetic diversity are being stymied by the intense sensitivity surrounding the topic. A major international project to survey genetic diversity around the globe has been opposed by activists, and a planned database of genetic polymorphisms is being constructed so as to prevent comparisons between population groups, making it useless for exploring the gene frequency variations that do exist, according to researchers.
 
2006-12-15 11:13:19 AM  
mdalli

My point is that your sense of reality got stunted at approximately the junior-high level, just like all leftists/ socialists.

Hilarious. I was a Limbaugh Republican until about the age of 19. That is, around the time when I truly had to start supporting myself out in the real world and realized that the invisible hand and the free market are like the Newtonian physics they teach you in high school: useful constructs, show you some bases, but nearly useless in the real world because they account for none of the dirty details of things.

Libertarians and all their trickle-down Republican brethren are just hilarious, thinking that they have a monopoly on maturity. "Duhhrrr! Duhhhhr! Supply and demand! They're natural laws of the universe and uncomplicated!"

It is to laugh.
 
2006-12-15 11:15:05 AM  
consdubya: I do not hate Jews


How do you feel about Muslims? Or yellow slanty eyed people (not Asians, but people with jaundice and birth defects)?
 
2006-12-15 11:15:14 AM  
The New Anti-Semitism

Historian Robert Wistrich argues that "left-leaning Judeophobes ... never call themselves 'anti-Semitic.' Indeed, they are usually indignant at the very suggestion that they have anything against Jews. Such denials notwithstanding, they are usually obsessed with stigmatizing Israel ..." Wistrich adds that not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic - his checklist to identify the "anti-Semitic wolf in anti-Israeli sheep's clothing" includes the singling-out by writers of the "Jewish lobby" or the "Jewish vote"; complaining about Jewish solidarity with Israel; gratuitous emphasis on Jewish wealth or alleged Jewish control of the media; calls for economic boycotts directed exclusively against Israeli products and academic institutions; and the assertion that Jews reject all criticism as anti-Semitic

My my, that sounds like a few people in this thread, doesn't it?


Disclaimer: No, criticizing Israel's policies is not anti-semitic. Using criticism of Israel as a blanket to slander Jews is, however.
 
2006-12-15 11:16:55 AM  
GAS THE CHICAGO 7


/Honestly surprised nobody has that pic of Davey Boy from his college years.
 
2006-12-15 11:17:33 AM  
Let me get this right. . .

A well-known racist, bigot, homophobe, anti-immigrant anti-Semite and anti-Catholic goes on CNN and throws out his stupid conspiracy theories. Shame on CNN for even letting him get that far. News organizations have the responsibilty to do reporting on many viewpoints, sure, but giving someone like David Duke a national platform is beneath contempt. It's on a par with letting Fred Phelps give his anti-American anti-gay speeches in prime time. There is a class of people who's opinions are so contemptable they should be ignored and marginalized. David Duke is in that class. And don't give me that wahh wahh wahh 'free speech' 'all viewpoints' crap. There is no viewpoint here, just an attempt to tap into irrational hatred to make up for personal failures.

All this thread has done is shown what a bunch of nitwits alot of Farkers are. There shouldn't even be a discussion on this. But sadly some people buy into these conspiracy theories. Here it's 'Ju. . . Zionist control of the government and media.' It could just as well be the aliens that landed in Area 51 or the Cuban-Mafia-Union conspiracy that offed Kennedy, or the Bush administration's planning of 9/11. These are nothing but self-fulfilling prophecies made up by people to gain attention or create a world-view complex enough to obviate personal responsibility for their failures.

Shame on anyone who has taken up Duke's torch here. You're no better than those who think demolition charges brought down the Twin Towers.
 
2006-12-15 11:22:38 AM  
Tatsuma

As soon as there is one causal law governing human behaviour outside of biological processes (like breathing), studies like that will move beyond guessing to actually saying something.

On the other hand, very influential studies on anti-semitism and gentile behavior have been found to be, in hindsight, extremely flawed and a good example of how not to do social science research. See the authoritarian personality.

we've discussed this before.
 
2006-12-15 11:23:20 AM  
Kaeishiwaza: Shame on anyone who has taken up Duke's torch here.

because some points may be agreed upon, does not mean a "torch" has been taken up.

there are people in this world, myself included, who believe zionism is the cause of many problems in this world.

just because an asshat holds some of the same ideas as others, does not make the others asshats by association

/a 2000 (i know you ae going to say 3000 Tat) year old story DOES NOT make for a land deed in 1948
 
2006-12-15 11:25:59 AM  
bake420: /a 2000 (i know you ae going to say 3000 Tat) year old story DOES NOT make for a land deed in 1948

It's 3,300 years old, get your numbers right. If you know you are spouting a wrong fact, why do it?
 
2006-12-15 11:26:15 AM  
TheFredSavages: Wow.


He said that? Ok, no more sympathy for his thin skin. That is...well, its like saying glass parking lot for all brownish desert dwellers. Or...I dunno...but its about as classless as can be...and, IMHO, racist bigotry.
 
2006-12-15 11:29:16 AM  
Tatsuma: You are not criticizing Israel, Zionists or Judaism. All your statements so far are directed to JEWS

LET ME MAKE IT SUPER CLEAR THEN. I AM SORRY IF YOU FEEL I HATE ALL JEWS, HOWEVER I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE I CAN SAY THAT I DO NOT

I am going to bed now, but one day you need to be able to discuss your own shortcomings. At least listen to and take aboard other peoples views, without having a hissyfit about being persecuted.

Israel claims to speak for jews, and more jews need to speak out against the horrible treatment of the palestinians. Many already do. All I am saying is that Judaeism needs reform and moderate. Just like all the other religions.

In my eyes a Jew is just another person.

Dont try to paint me as a racist, when it is you who sees the palestinians as dirt.
 
2006-12-15 11:30:08 AM  
bake420: /a 2000 (i know you ae going to say 3000 Tat) year old story DOES NOT make for a land deed in 1948


Out of curiosity, does a 500 year old one do so? Or should the entire Western Hemisphere be returned to the previous occupiers?

C'mon, Cortez personally offed 25 million Aztecs. That entitles someone to land, right?
 
2006-12-15 11:30:28 AM  
Tatsuma: If you know you are spouting a wrong fact, why do it?

fine from now on i will state that a 3300 story DOES NOT make for a land deed in 1948.

or can you explain how it does, without everyone in the world having to accept YOUR religious doctrine.

or do you really think you are that F'ing special?

/i do not accept the your "chosen people" argument, that is a religious belief, in no way a provable fact (people can agree on facts)
 
2006-12-15 11:33:12 AM  
consdubya: LET ME MAKE IT SUPER CLEAR THEN. I AM SORRY IF YOU FEEL I HATE ALL JEWS, HOWEVER I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE I CAN SAY THAT I DO NOT

You say one thing, but act the other way.

You've shown everyone in this thread so far that you are indeed an anti-semite. Cherish this moment, because I rarely call people like that. It's for very special people and you qualified!

You spent the whole thread insulting Jews and then you play the "Anti-semite, moi?" offended act. Sorry, you can't have it both way

You didn't even try to coat your hatred of Jews as hatred of Zionists, you directly went to the source

Dont try to paint me as a racist, when it is you who sees the palestinians as dirt.

I'm not trying to paint you as a racist, you did that yourself and throwing to deflect all of it on me ain't working
 
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