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2006-12-14 11:17:55 PM  
One thing that's puzzled me all these years is why the god figure never gave his chosen peeps their own patch to begin with? Like the Persian Gulf.

Hell, it's the least I would've done for my favorite folks.
 
2006-12-14 11:18:05 PM  
skrewewe: The Jews control everything. We all know it. The Banks, the stores, the governments, teh internets. Just because some white trash loud mouth hick decides to speak his mind doesnt mean we need to come to the Jews defense. The Juuuus need no defense. They can make him look evil on the TV and we will believe it just because its on the idiot box. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.

Hello, Mel... How's Apocalyptico doing?
 
2006-12-14 11:18:20 PM  
Seriously, you know nothing about who's running for Darfur Awareness campaigns, right? Jews are more present than anyone else.

It's the partisan perspective that irks me Tats.
 
2006-12-14 11:18:38 PM  
pvd021: And when I said mom, I meant your mom. Sorry I just got a little bit excited there, thinking about your mom. I hope she's MILF.

You Asians are so horrible at witty comebacks. Jesus.

/oh delicious irony
//So a Jew and an Asian walk into a forum...
 
2006-12-14 11:18:46 PM  
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Evil, lunatic powermongers don't get where they are by spouting mad hatred at random - they have to make some minimal amount of sense in order to drive the wedge.

Duke plays on the legitimate questions of the US's involvement with Israel to try and rebuild his empire of hatred within the context of liberal intellectualism. People can easily be taken into believing what they want to believe - look what happened to Noam Chomsky with the Kmer Rouge.

The problem is that the initial liberal argument of "the USA should not be supporting Israel in their conflict" has been twisted into questions of whether their neighbors are right.

These are wholly different concepts - and if one compares Israel with their neighbors when honest with onesself, then making any attack on Israel's foreign policy is preposterous. However, arguing this does NOT mean that anyone should support Israel - they made their bed when they decided that a Jewish country in their ancestral homeland was worth any price (a price that their neighbors and locals expect them to pay in full, and then some).

Duke manipulates the concept of the USA's support of Israel (which can be considered an institutionalized parallel with Irishmen who sent money home to fund the IRA) into construct the old concept of the "Great Jewish Conspiracy", which, in turn, creates resentment of this theoretical power, and hatred.

Is it possible that a disproportionate number of Jews hold political and media influence? Of course. Is this indicative of some kind of conspiracy, or a reason to hate Jews? Hell no. Consensus, maybe - but never conspiracy. All it means is that political decisions related to Israel should be carefully examined for external biases.

I can at least comprehend black racists who hate Jews - they hate every ethnic group that can be perceived as being more powerful than themselves... but the hypocrisy of white-hating Jews is outright hilarious - the exact attributes in Jews that white racists imagine and hate are the ones that various minorities see and hate in whites.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:05 PM  
OneEye
What does it matter if the holocaust happened? Yeah it sucks that 6 million jews died, but 21 million russians died, 56 million total people died. How long does the free pass last?

A million+ have died in darfur, 2-3 million died in cambodia, hundreds of thousands have died in kosovo. Why are these lives not as important? If we cared so much about racial cleansing then why are we sitting on our ass when it is happening right now?


Boy, that's seriously a perfect post. And to answer your question, no, they are not as important. Who cares about commies, or yellow people, or blacks. Jews are god's chosen people dammit.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:13 PM  
Churchill2004: Because they didn't. They might have, like several other nations that politically opposed the war, provided material assistance, but politically the Israelis neither supported nor opposed the Iraq war.

What the US needed in Iraq, and still does, are boots on the ground for policing. Israel, being a small country of ~6 million does not have the manpower to donate. And even if they were able to provide support it would inflame the region even more and would very much go against the image the US is trying to paint.

In short, the US much prefers Israel to stay out directly so as to not make things look even worse to the other countries in the region. Remember how much effort the US had to exert to make sure Israel wouldn't retaliate when Iraq was firing SCUD missiles into Israel during the first war?

But I don't see how the Israeli government would NOT like to see a neighboring government that's as hostile to it as Saddam's removed and replaced with one that's more pro-Western.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:17 PM  
I should get some popcorn.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:23 PM  
Speaking out does not necessarily equal action.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:24 PM  
Damnit, last paragraph I made a brain-O. I meant Jew-hating-whites, not white-hating-Jews.
 
2006-12-14 11:19:24 PM  
Headshot_King: Having a biased extremist zionist view on the middle east is just as bad as having a KKK/Nazi perspective.

Why is that? Being a zionist means you support the right of Israel to exist

Being an "extreme zionist" means that you extremely support the right of Israel to exist?

How is that like the KKK or the nazis?
 
2006-12-14 11:20:05 PM  
biglot: One thing that's puzzled me all these years is why the god figure never gave his chosen peeps their own patch to begin with? Like the Persian Gulf.

Hell, it's the least I would've done for my favorite folks.



I think he did, actually. That's the basic religious claim to the land of Israel by the Jews, anyway.

Most Jew's claim is more along the lines of how it was theirs before the diaspora, though, if I understand correctly. I do know that Israel is by and large a secular nation.
 
2006-12-14 11:20:33 PM  
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Sleestack says: Ding Ding Ding
pvd-21 and Tatsuma Back to your corners boys. Your dust up is all just one big misunderstanding. You are both in 99% agreement with each other.

//going back into the corner to hide
 
2006-12-14 11:20:37 PM  
All Apologies: It's the partisan perspective that irks me Tats.

So, you blame the Jews for not participating enough in Darfur campaigns and when I point out that not only they do, but represent a minority, you call me "partisan"?
 
2006-12-14 11:20:38 PM  
KlumTheFark: The man's changed his life.

You're retarded. I suggest you go "change your life" with some .45 caliber aspirin.
 
2006-12-14 11:20:55 PM  
Churchill2004

Have you ever left this country? Have you ever visited Europe or a third world nation? If not, I suggest you do.

We're a darling to the world because America is the land of Opportunity. Think about it. Its the only place in the world where a middle class guy or a lower class guy can afford to have certain luxuries, that a person within the same class wouldn't be able to imagine. In America, you can come from nothing and achieve anything. That's the beauty of this country. It theoretically gives everyone an option/opportunity and with the right work ethic and mindset. You'll be able to obtain and achieve anything.

Its about the opportunities here. Other governments envy our economy and money. But the people they envy the stability and opportunity.

Seriously, you should try visiting other countries. Lots of exotic hotties to meet.
 
2006-12-14 11:21:00 PM  
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/it's a fullhouse today!
 
2006-12-14 11:21:34 PM  
sjkz: I am still waiting for CNN to introduce Senator Robert Byrd (Dem from West Virginia) as a former Klansmen, just like Duke.

You might have a point. If Byrd attended the conference in Tehran, and Blitzer interviewed him but didn't mention his KKK past, then you might have a point.

As it stands, you do not have a point.
 
2006-12-14 11:21:47 PM  
TenaciousDMZ
Tatsuma

Exactly it. Don't get me wrong. I support Isreal. But it was Truman's old buddy Eddie Jacobson that got him to support Israel.

Roosevelt knew about the camps but didn't do anything about them. Bastard.


Why aren't you rioting in the streets over Dafur? Why isn't Bush a worthless cocksucker because of doing nothing about Dafur? Why are we not all pricks for not walking off our jobs until our govt does somethign over there?
 
2006-12-14 11:21:47 PM  
Again, you're wrong. Jews did more to end segragation or apartheid in South Africa than almost anyone in America.

About as much as Reagan had to do with bringing down the wall.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:07 PM  
AIPAC is more dangerous at the moment than the KKK. The KKK is a fringe group, largely ridiculed and despised (rightly so). They have no real power or influence.

AIPAC on the other hand is a shadowy organisation set up to serve the interests of Israel. AIPAC was waaaay too much influence and power. They actually influence US foreign policy to a very large degree.

Duke is a whackjob, but if he wants to doubt the holocaust, whatever. Let him do it. We all know it happened. Nothing is going to change that. Anyone who doubts the holocaust can just flip through the many many pages of meticulously maintained german records about it.

I did not know that Wolf Blitzer was an AIPAC apparatchick. This is the problem with AIPAC, they dont declare their interests, motives or actions.

By acting selfishly, secrectly and covertly, AIPAC ensures more and more people become suspicious of jews in general, which is of course a shame, as jews in general are very different to Zionists. AIPAC encourages anti-semitism by its actions.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:07 PM  
All Apologies
Honestly Tats persecution is not exclusive to Judaism.
To be fair, Jews aren't exactly taking the lead in preventing further atrocities.

Actually, in America and Europe, Jewish people have always been in the forefront of civil rights movements and pro-immigration groups. They're a very active and liberal segment of the population.
/In addition, almost every Jewish person I've met in the states has opposed the occupation of the Palestinian Territories.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:34 PM  
blindpreacher: But I don't see how the Israeli government would NOT like to see a neighboring government that's as hostile to it as Saddam's removed and replaced with one that's more pro-Western.


The long time thinking was that Iraq and Iran counter-balanced each other. That, and the Israelis didn't really think that the US would suceed in establishing a pro-Western government.

Anyway, what we were talking about originally was that the Israeli government was responsible for the war. I was pointing out that they didn't even support the war.
 
2006-12-14 11:22:49 PM  
Tatsuma

The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David).

Therefore, the state of Israel is against Jewish law.

Checkmate.
 
2006-12-14 11:23:01 PM  
skrewewe: The Jews control everything. We all know it.

TO EVIL, MY ZIONIST BROTHERS!

rabbs.com
 
2006-12-14 11:23:03 PM  
OneEye:

Because it was supposed to be the systematic extermination of a people. Genocide.

But yes, (some) other atrocities are comparable. Too bad the rest of the world is apathetic towards a lot of the stuff going on today in Africa. Maybe it's because there's nothing to gain from ending genocide there, who knows.
 
2006-12-14 11:23:25 PM  
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2006-12-14 11:23:38 PM  
it's interesting to me how anti-semitism is the oldest form of racism and keeps managing to redefine itself in a way that makes each contemporary society unsure if it is being reasonable or racist like their ancestors.


just an observation.

/devout catholic
 
2006-12-14 11:23:48 PM  
And by nothing to gain, I meant nothing to gain from a government standpoint.
 
2006-12-14 11:24:04 PM  
2006-12-14 11:22:07 PMnepia

Don't get me wrong. All in all, I like Jewish people.
 
2006-12-14 11:24:17 PM  
Tatsuma

Tats, keep in mind you have a different definition of Zionism than most people. Most people will admit that Israel, as it exists now, has a right to exist... but believe that it never should have been founded in the first place. That perspective could hardly be called Zionist, could it?

Zionism, to a liberal, implies that the Jews (at large, whether or not they or their most distant ancestors have ever seen the middle east) have the right to control of the region currently known as Israel... no matter who lives there already or claims the land or whatever else stands in their way. Zionism is manifest destiny on small scale.

The belief that Israel has a right to exist and that the concepts of manifest destiny that the nation is founded on are correct are wholly different things. You define Zionism as the former, most liberals define it as the latter.
 
2006-12-14 11:24:52 PM  
pvd021: Have you ever left this country? Have you ever visited Europe or a third world nation? If not, I suggest you do.

You do realize that you agree with him, right?
 
2006-12-14 11:24:58 PM  
"I love it when journalists insert their own views in a question by saying, "Some people think that you're a racist, jew-bashing slimewad who'd be better off dead. How do you respond, sir?" Good job, Wolf. And next time you interview Senator Robert Byrd, make sure you introduce him as a former KKK member too."

Okay, somebody needs a lesson is just how crazy David Duke is: First off, he started and led the Knights of the Klu Klux Klan. He celebrates the birthday of Aldoph Hitler, and has been seen wearing a Nazi Uniform. He's also written a book entitled, Jewish Supremacism: My Awakening on the Jewish Question. He also denies the Holocaust ever happened, but thinks its a swell idea.

So, given that, do you blame Wolf Blitzer, who is a jew, for his questions, personally, I'm surprised that Wolf tried to remain calm, I would have told that bastard to die in a fire, myself.

Duke is right though! Those jews are evil and clever, before we know it, we'll come home to find somebody has done our taxes and accounting! EVIL, EVIL I SAY! SO BEWARE, WHILE THERE ARE JEWS, NO ONE'S FINANCES ARE SAFE FROM BEING ORGANIZED!
 
2006-12-14 11:25:19 PM  

So asians can't be racist douchebags since they are not white?



You do have a point - someone being a certain race doesn't exclude them from being a racist. However, I am so sick of the racist fingerpointing that goes on today. People have to constantly defend themselves and show that they're not racist.

People do have the ability to agree with some things a person says and not others.

Having said that, I think David Duke is a big nutty. I've heard recent interviews with him on other forums and he's just as weird as he always has been. He does have his facts down, but the way he sees things in his mind are distorted.
 
2006-12-14 11:25:21 PM  
pvd021: Have you ever left this country?


Uh, yes, actually. Europe and a lot of Latin America. I hope to swing by Israel someday.

Simply put, that "opportunity" and "stability" are just other words for our economy and economic system.


I do love America, and I love it for its ideals, not its sucess. However, the rest of the world loves (or hates) us for our sucess. Look at how many nations cuddled up the USSR when it looked like they were the better bet.
 
2006-12-14 11:25:34 PM  
consdubya: By acting selfishly, secrectly and covertly, AIPAC ensures more and more people become suspicious of jews in general, which is of course a shame, as jews in general are very different to Zionists. AIPAC encourages anti-semitism by its actions.

Hey consdubya, how's it going? Aren't you the dude that said maybe the Jews deserved a second Holocaust for what they've done in Palestine?

Sorry, just had to get that out of the way before I can debate you further :-)
 
2006-12-14 11:26:19 PM  
Executive Monkey: The Talmud in Tractate Kesubos teaches that Jews shall not use human force to bring about the establishment of a Jewish state before the coming of the universally accepted Moshiach (Messiah from the House of David).

Therefore, the state of Israel is against Jewish law.

Checkmate.


How is that checkmate? Have you been reading the conversations between me and GG?

Don't pretend you read that Tractacte

And Shir HaShirim Rabbah 2:7 completely contradicts your point

I find it funny when some non-Jew completely ignorant of Jewish law throws something up in the air as if it meant something when it's so easy to destroy his argument

What you are referring to is not even Halacha, it's aggadah!

bbcrackmonkey: TO EVIL, MY ZIONIST BROTHERS!

High five!

consdubya: AIPAC is more dangerous at the moment than the KKK

I love it when germans tell me how shadowy Jewish organizations control governments
 
2006-12-14 11:26:43 PM  
Tatsuma
All Apologies: It's the partisan perspective that irks me Tats.

So, you blame the Jews for not participating enough in Darfur campaigns and when I point out that not only they do, but represent a minority, you call me "partisan"?


You would think as much as you hear of the horror of a holocaust 60 years ago, that Isreal would actually put boots on the ground and stop one happening now. I can sit here and start seven or eight "Save Dafur" campaigns right now, but I ain't savin no lives. If Isreal is always talking about how they will never let what happen 60 years ago happen again, them WTF? did they mean anybody but worthless Africans?
 
2006-12-14 11:26:55 PM  
I'm just saying that claiming inevitable failure as a personal success is a bit of a stretch. I'm trying to be realistic here, I have nothing against Jewish people. But, to be fair, it has never come down to the efforts of just one people.
 
2006-12-14 11:26:55 PM  
Tatsuma: Hello, Mel... How's Apocalyptico doing?

Ahhhhh! Nooo! The Head fark Jew Hisself!

My post was a joke just in case the sarcasm wasnt thick enuf.

/some of my best friends are the Jews.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:21 PM  
Wow, Duke's plastic surgery is really falling apart.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:33 PM  
Genocide is only genocide when it happens to

A) white people
B) jews
?

"Together with the mass murder of Soviet prisoners-of-war during World War II, it was the most concentrated act of genocide in human history: "the dead of Rwanda accumulated at nearly three times the rate of Jewish dead during the Holocaust."
 
2006-12-14 11:27:47 PM  
boomaze: You would think as much as you hear of the horror of a holocaust 60 years ago, that Isreal would actually put boots on the ground and stop one happening now. I can sit here and start seven or eight "Save Dafur" campaigns right now, but I ain't savin no lives. If Isreal is always talking about how they will never let what happen 60 years ago happen again, them WTF? did they mean anybody but worthless Africans?


Because Israel is a nation, and like every other nation it puts its own self-interest first.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:48 PM  
Executive Monkey

The problem is that the Talmud edicts against Zionism are championed by a small group of fundamentalist rabbis (I'm sure Tats will name them for us) that have done some very, very unpopular things (like vocally supporting the PLO). This makes that kind of thought rub Tats the wrong way (and I'm sure most other conservative Jews think similarly). The argument is repugnant by association.
 
2006-12-14 11:27:48 PM  
Pxtl: Tats, keep in mind you have a different definition of Zionism than most people. Most people will admit that Israel, as it exists now, has a right to exist... but believe that it never should have been founded in the first place. That perspective could hardly be called Zionist, could it?

It's still zionism.

Zionism means you believe Israel has a right to exist.

All Apologies: About as much as Reagan had to do with bringing down the wall.

So you just came here to belittle Jews, basically?
 
2006-12-14 11:28:39 PM  
Executive Monkey: Therefore, the state of Israel is against Jewish law.

Maybe it's just a half-way house for dispossessed Jews, waiting for the real messiah and the real state of Israel or something. Eh? Ya ever think about that?
 
2006-12-14 11:28:58 PM  
Tatsuma

Jews did more to end segragation or apartheid in South Africa than almost anyone in America.

Jews or Israelis?

From what I have read and heard, Israel was one of the major supporters of apartheid south africa.
 
2006-12-14 11:28:59 PM  
skrewewe

Everything? Dang that is quite a lot, I did not realize Jews were superior to everyone else on this planet. Think about it every time someone asserts Jews control everything is is an admission to the idea that you are inferior to Jews. Clearly you are a lower class because you are a loser (sorry for using less of a scientific term here).


Tatsuma

I am sorry you will have to back up your statement with facts. Prove Jews are at the fore front of civil rights.
 
2006-12-14 11:29:02 PM  
"Roosevelt knew about the camps but didn't do anything about them. Bastard."


Yeah, I wish he had sent my dad over (who was fighting in the South Paciific) to free the camps. And if he had died freeing the Jews, I would never have been born. But it would be worth it to free the Jews as their lives were more important than his or mine.
 
2006-12-14 11:29:04 PM  
Tatsuma

What am I saying? I'm saying that you are excluding the fact that it has been a team effort all along. It is the partisanship that irks me.
 
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