i just want to take a moment to say we should all get on our knees and thank god for Sunny Ray. he is one of the recurring joys of fark.

anal brazil men: Do you think that if records were kept longer ago than the 1850s, 2006 would still be among the hottest?

nope!

polecat_bastard

i fail to see how debunking global warming would end climatology as a discipline or put climatologists out of jobs. i don't buy that they are being paid by shadowy anti-capitalist groups to produce this stuff, even if they later prove to be wrong. climatology would still be very relevant without global warming.

I was actually just trying to remove the emphasis on "lying" that was part of the original question posed by sigdiamond2000. I agree there is no reason on the part of climatologists to debunk global warming or climate change or whatever term we want to use. But I would argue that adding emphasis and immediacy to their cause is not going to hurt their careers. In fact, in the long run it might even lead to enough money being thrown at the cause that one way or another we can get conclusive proof of whether or not we really have a problem on our hands.

but science's conservatism is by and large a good thing, and by and large has kept it on the right track. i still trust the experts.

I agree with your first sentence wholeheartedly but the commercialisation of science has made me more cynical when it comes to that "trust" part.

Please forgive the lateness of my reply - Ringo Starr

IXI Jim IXI: I had no idea there was such a thing as Canadian freepers...

Think about it, global warming is going to make Canada the world's breadbasket. They obviously have the most to gain by casting doubt on current theories.

votegreen: global warming? who cares, the rapture is coming! THE RAPTURE IS COMING!!!1!

Well, at least that means the man from mars will be able to fix things for us...

Kittenkicker

OBVIOUSLY THE STUPID SCIENTISTS DIDN'T PUT THE SUN IN THEIR EQUATION! SUCK IT LIBS!

Yea, they were staring into too much as kids, and blinded by science. Ironic?

WayneKerr: Not even the fact that there is a reddish cow on a yogurt container in my fride? You are one hard-to-please death anticipator.

Not reddish, red. As in Commie. That's right, when Israel is Communist, then look for the Apocalypse.

3boys:

Are you under the impression that climatologists are unaware of variations in solar irradiance?

March_Hare: Think about it, global warming is going to make Canada the world's breadbasket. They obviously have the most to gain by casting doubt on current theories.

Until you remember how many times we've bombed their troops ACCIDENTALLY. Buckle up, Canada. You're five degrees away from the axis of evil...

I fondly remember farker Brockway, who "proved" there was global cooling using data from 2002 (second hottest year on record), 2003 (third) and 2004 (fourth. Since the trend was downwards, we were all going to be in for glaciers.


/I understand he is now pursuing his true calling, as a mime.

PUFTAS

Scientific consensus experiment

I think there is enough yes-men-concensus-stooges around. How about we base a conclusion on science FACT and not the going with the flow jack-asses.

WayneKerr: Not even the fact that there is a reddish cow on a yogurt container in my fride?

WayneKerr stars in the next episode of "Pimp my Fride" :D

shipofthesun

LOL!

sigdiamond2000: Question: What do 99.9% of all the climatologists in the world stand to gain by lying about global warming?

Funding?

Much like all doctors are in the habit of poisoning people, and all firefighters start fires. Seriously - does anyone actually believe this? It's kind of insulting.

mrexcess: I was really hoping we'd do the whole thread in lyrics.

Yeah, what the hell was that all about?

waynekerr: Yea, they were staring into too much as kids

The damn English language constantly changes its rules, or I'm retarded.


IXI Jim IXI
If you piss carbon dioxide...

over carbonated Budweiser?

...I know a few people who own gardens who would like to have a word with you...

I first read that as stating "own gardeners". Then I was all like: "That damn Jim", and stuff.

polecat_bastard

I will definitely not be getting on my knees for Sunny Ray, he is a nuisance. Now, I would eat some of WayneKerr's yogurt, that dude is funny.

One word: Denial

pjc51
Much like all doctors are in the habit of poisoning people, and all firefighters start fires. Seriously - does anyone actually believe this? It's kind of insulting.

If there are no fires the firefighters lose their jorbs.
That's why there are so many climatologists holding their lighters lit under research thermometers all over the world. They also get doctors to cooperate and poison global warming deniers.

IXI Jim IXI

I'm having major difficulties today. I'm glad that your their to rubbit in. : )

/over-carbonated
/fridge
/lots more

This morning it was 48F. Now it is 65F. At this rate, we'll be boiling by midnight!!

IXI Jim IXI: Why? Are you a cow?


yes. i mean, no!

it's just a stupid debate that's all. people are oddly selective in their causes. billions of computers running around the world, equally abundant servers/mainframes/render farms etc., plus the cooling systems that pump all that heat into the air, i don't know...stupid arguement is all.

CavemanCometh
One word: Denial

Well uhhh, you're in denial that global warming is not happening! You're all a bunch of global warming denial deniers!

grizzlyjohnson

MooseBayou

Raises hand

What did you think? I thought it was his worst and most preachy novel yet, that he's definitely jumped the shark as a writer, and that he had a damn good point, especially that soliloquy he spewed from the crazy professor character about our world being ruled now by scientific fear instead of religious superstition.

Didn't like the novel that much, but I agree with your last sentence, completely.

Skinnyhead et al.

Regarding methane:

http://www.epa.gov/methane/scientific.html


Methane is a powerful greenhouse gas, and humans are contributing to its increase in the atmosphere. However, the methane concentration is about 100 times lower than CO2, so it's total contribution is much smaller than that of CO2 to warming. Also, methane only has a 12 year lifetime in the atmosphere, while CO2's lifetime is over a century. So, yes, it's part of the picture, but it's not nearly as big of a problem as CO2.

SocietalPylon76
it's just a stupid debate that's all. people are oddly selective in their causes. billions of computers running around the world, equally abundant servers/mainframes/render farms etc., plus the cooling systems that pump all that heat into the air, i don't know...stupid arguement is all.

Everyone knows the source of Global Warming is people arguing on the internet!

Destroy the heatsinks! Save our environment!

I'm still undecided about global warming, but you can't just say it's scientifically proven that it is happening based on the studies. It's not like we have a control Earth to play around with or anything, so there will always be doubt.

Significant bias exists on both sides. There's been some recent data to show that ALL studies have a preponderance towards successful results. Why? Because results that say "this didn't work", or in global warming's case "everything is fine" don't get you any more grant money to do more studies! Bias doesn't have to be malicious or even conscious; that's why we do double-blind ones to weed it out.

However, I would just like to see someone give me a hypothetical example of what piece of data could be used to disprove global warming. I seem to hear that any and everything is a cause, whether it's torrential rains or droughts, hot or cold weather, and more or less hurricanes. If everything is an inidicator of global warming, I have a really hard time with that.

Captain Obvious


How arrogant to think that you, as an insignificant human on this fast planet can affect it's climate.

Captain Obvious, you ignorant slut. It is unlikely that ONE person can affect the planet's climate, but the combined might of 6 BILLION people, burning fossil fuels, surely can. Consider also that human beings have directly caused, and ARE causing, the extinction of numerous animal and plant species, and tell me again that "insignificant humans" can't affect the planet.

shipofthesun
Not reddish, red. As in Commie. That's right, when Israel is Communist, then look for the Apocalypse.

lol! I'm glad that you were there for me with this info. thanks

Rational Exuberance

Exactly, every theory is equally as likely. We don't have a control Sun to play around with either, that's why I said earlier I refuse to believe it is hotter than Earth. In fact, everything we know about the universe is wrong because we can't test it on a lab, the only way to produce scientific knowledge. Who knows, the earth might be a mere thousand years old! Nobody ever experimented with substances on a lab for millions of years yet, so we have no way of knowing! Global Warming obviously can't have such an ominous effect on the Weather! That is preposterous.

It looks like I'll be able to witness the extinction of the human race in my lifetime. I just wish I could have told my grandchildren about it. oh well.

/see you in Hell.

It doesn't matter that one year didn't crack the warmest year on record. The scientific fact is that in the past 100 years, correlating with increasing industrialization, the temperature has varied by 0.6 of a degree. Global temperature has never fluctuated more that 2 degrees in either direction, however those fluctuations have occurred over 10,000 year periods. It's the rate at which the atmosphere is changing that is alarming, not whether its too farking hot or too farking cold in a specific geographical location.

Ambitwistor: Are you under the impression that climatologists are unaware of variations in solar irradiance?

Perhaps, like me, 3boys' head hurts at all the people on here rushing to the conclusion "Oh noes, MAN IS CAUSING TEH GLOBAL WARNMING!!!PANIC!!11!1ELVENTY11!!MANBEARPIG!!!11!!!1!!" without taking certain meta-factors into account. The Earth was in the grip of a cooling trend in the little ice age, and then Boom! Head Shot! About 1850 or so, temps began spiking upwards, inline not with the industrial revolution that everyone would love to pin it on, but an increase in volcanism, most notably Krakatoa. Also, the sun has shown a slight, but noticeable increase. That heat,over time, has to go somewhere. It doesn't just disappear.

Plants grow more adding to the carbon cycle. More plants>more animals>more carbon>more resources being used. We get this material every day from space. Comet dust, and meteorite dust is swept up by our atmosphere adding tons to the earth annually. The increase in solar heat and light converts it into well, us and everything around us, all the time. Try and stop that from happening, with an ad campaign, or a movie.

/ We are stardust/ we are billion year old carbon. Joni Mitchell had it right.

This thread is far too long to be a useful discussion. I just popped in to ask a question. Is there a way for one of you al gore dick suckers to tell the martians to stop burning fossil fuel since their planet (Mars) is warming at the same rate as our planet (Earth).

/was that wrong?
//should I not have said that?

shipofthesun Well, apparently, the moon does something with that extra heat. or maybe some invisible radiator. But the Earth absorb it, and have to do something with it?

Bad comparison. Earth's moon does not have an atmosphere. Look at Mars, Jupiter and some of Jupiter and Saturns moons. I recall they are also undergoing climate changes of this type. Not sayin the sun is causing it all, but 50% based on some recent studies: http://www.springerlink.com/content/r2n447034x15v087/

http://www.eol.cn/20050927/3153690.shtml

Kittenkicker

You broke my sarcasmometer.

WayneKerr: I'm having major difficulties today. I'm glad that your their to rubbit in. : )

it's either that or I get some work done today ;)

SocietalPylon76: it's just a stupid debate that's all. people are oddly selective in their causes. billions of computers running around the world, equally abundant servers/mainframes/render farms etc., plus the cooling systems that pump all that heat into the air, i don't know...stupid arguement is all.

I feel the same way when I see several people with testicles discussing aborton ;)

ckirchen1: Bad comparison. Earth's moon does not have an atmosphere.

Apparently I'm wielding a scalpel when I need an axe today.

Kittenkicker: Everyone knows the source of Global Warming is people arguing on the internet!


but that's exactly my point. talk is cheap. i can pull anything out of my arse. it's alright to chalk up poeple's frivolous wants as the reason for everybody dying, but when i point out YOUR wants, ooooh, i'm loony!

selective.

WOO HOO!! It's t-shirt time here in Houston

I'm prepared to hypothesize that fifty or so years of above-ground nuclear tests may have had a subtle influence on our climate.

Its was almost 80 here in south Georgia the other day.

/No one cares
//Takes .02 back

squat

I don't believe in Earth's global warming, but I sure do believe in Mars' global warming, since there is a whole lot more trustworthy data on that, as opposed to the tons of bullshiat data for Earth. Also, if it was the case that both were happening, it is so obvious that they are correlated, it was the Sun all along! Boy, the scientists are going to slap their foreheads for not thinking of the Sun.

Shady Ray

Aw, shucks. You're making me blush.

You should really give Sunny Ray a chance, though. He has a way of making excellent points while confusing the hell out of the weak of sarcasm detecting. This ultimately leads to humerus exchanges that, if not in my daily Fark diet, makes this a much less interesting place.

There is something to be said about the freak IXI Jim IXI, but we'll save that for another time.

BTW, you don't want any of my yogurt. The last one who had a sample ended up with a two-headed baby named Bobbob.

Global Warming isn't all that scary...especially after deciding to eat about a quarter of mushrooms (had some left over for a nice body buzz later) and going to see 'The Day After Tomarrow'.

/dnrta
//grab your coats, it's gonna be instant death outside!

shipofthesun: Plants grow more adding to the carbon cycle.

Plants take carbon OUT of the atmosphere. It's called a carbon sink.

SocietalPylon76
but that's exactly my point. talk is cheap. i can pull anything out of my arse. it's alright to chalk up poeple's frivolous wants as the reason for everybody dying, but when i point out YOUR wants, ooooh, i'm loony!

selective.

My sophistry is nothing compared to the sophistry of science!

Question:
1. Are we slowly getting close to the sun?
2. Does the size of the sun change at all?

shipofthesun:

The Earth was in the grip of a cooling trend in the little ice age, and then Boom! Head Shot! About 1850 or so, temps began spiking upwards, inline not with the industrial revolution that everyone would love to pin it on, but an increase in volcanism, most notably Krakatoa. Also, the sun has shown a slight, but noticeable increase. That heat,over time, has to go somewhere. It doesn't just disappear.

When you take both volcanism and variations in solar forcing into account, you don't get anything like the contribution that CO2 greenhouse warming produces. It's easy to say, "Everybody's wrong about X, it's probably Y instead" when you don't actually try to calculate the effects of X and Y.