HellbentForLeather

Is OBL being hosted by Equador?
You make fun of me for being drunk and then you post this?

WTF?

The equator is an imaginary line it is not hosting anyone.

Ecuador on the other hand is a nation in South America that is not very rich and hosts mostly vacationers.

Amy Sly

You're correct, but I do know that you're a bigot.

Ah, yes. I've heard the line of reasoning behind that one before, so please don't launch into it again. The fact that you're throwing it down towards me is quite amusing, for reasons you don't get to learn.

I just figured I'd insult you back by calling you something horrible. "Liberal" was the most insulting thing of which I could think. I hope it cut deeply.

In one post you established your dishonesty, in the next that you're a fool. So far, you're zero for two. Keep it up, though, this is damned amusing.

You do realize that Israel is the mideast nation that has done the most to create a Palestinian State, right? I mean, one was supposed to be formed in 1947 but Jordan invaded and annexed it. In contrast, Israel has been making every effort to create a Palestine.

lolmao666: You're farking kidding.

No, I'm not. Prove me wrong - give a counter-example. Show me a mideast nation that has done more than Israel to create a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank.

Sloth: So, tell me, before Jordan was created, much as Israel was, how many Hashemites had ruled that territory before and how recently? Or is your hatred for artificial nations reserved solely for Israel?

No Hashemites ruled that territory before 1916. After the attack of the Ottoman Empire. But the point is that Jordan isn't going killing everybody they don't like everyday just like Israël is doing.

How do you figure Israel is killing everybody they don't like?

SlothThe PLO was formed in 1964. The Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank started in 1967. You do the math. Oh - and when, exactly, was there ever a "Palestinian State" which held those lands? I mean, if they want their land back, when did they own it?

Well they lived there before Israël was there.

Who lived there before Israel was there? Both Jews and Arabs lived in Cisjordan Palestine. The proposed division of 1947 created Israel in area that was predominantly Jewish, and Palestine in area that was predominantly Arab. It was not Israel that invaded the Palestinian part and annexed it - that was Transjordan and Egypt.

And when they saw how Israël was arming itself, they created an army. Just like any sane country.

Israel armed itself because it was farking invaded. FWIW, they fought the 1948 war with surplus Nazi armaments bought from the Czechs, while the Arab invaders had newer Allied equipment. And "just like any sane country" makes no sense *because the PLO was and is not a country*. They armed themselves to act as terrorists and throw Israel out of the tiny amount of Cisjordan which they had retained after the Jordanian and Egyptian invasion of 1948.

Anyway, it was in the objective to have a pluralist state without bringing prejudice to civil rights and religious rights of the non-jew residents. It didn't work.

Well, except that Israel today *is* a pluralist State without prejudice to civil or religious rights.

The link is working. If they have so ethnically cleansed their jews, why there still jews in Iran? 25.000?

More like 20,000, down from ~100,000, and the remaining Jews in Iran suffer grievous discrimination.

And why the hate towards jews growed you think? Israël.

That's not an excuse - the creation of Israel did nothing to threaten Iran.

Asshat, it's working in french. L'Union des républiques socialistes soviétiques or URSS.

Yes, we figured that out above.

At least i'm speaking 3 languages.

Yes, let's get into a dick-waving contest over languages spoken, stronzettino.

A wall of shame because you cannot face the consequences(bombing) of your crimes(illegal occupation).

So, to clarify, the Israeli occupation is illegal, but the Jordanian occupation was not? What about the British occupation?

HellbentForLeather

No, but people who've done a lot more damage than he ever has were living quite comfortably there for some time...

lolmao666: And jews in Iran are not second class citizens. Sorry. They would have left, and Israël would have paid to import them, as they did with jews from India.

The ignorance knows no bounds.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35497.htm

Yeah a militia. Fatah is corrupt to the bone by Israël, and Hamas was doing fine at first when they were elected, but the foreign aid was cutted.

What colour *is* the sky in your world? Foreign aid was cut off because Hamas has consistently refused to recognize Israel.

Uncle Karl - I was amiss in not saying that the muslims and christians are there as well and are doing the same thing.

The fact that you're throwing it down towards me is quite amusing, for reasons you don't get to learn.

Since the "I can use the N-word because I'm friends with black people" argument has been invalidated time and again, the only way that it could possibly be quite amusing is if you yourself are indeed a homosexual.

So, apparently, I'm dishonest and a fool, while you're a bigot who sucks cock.

I'd love to stay and play, but it's five o'clock in my part of the world, and I'm going to go home for the day.

Funny thing is, I'm as liberal as they get. Pretty much Commie/Socialist. But it's always seemed pretty clear to me why Israel exists and why she must defend herself. It has also always been clear to me who the aggressors and defenders have been throughout the conflict. I may be liberal but I'm not stupid. Israel has constantly tried all avenues of peace with her neighbors and been rebuffed or crossed. If there is any country in the world that needs a big sword and should swing away it's Israel.

Amy Sly

Since the "I can use the N-word because I'm friends with black people" argument has been invalidated time and again, the only way that it could possibly be quite amusing is if you yourself are indeed a homosexual.

Labour away under your continued mistaken assumptions, the greatest of which is apparently that I owe you information. I don't. You do owe me amusement, though, or at least, you seem to think that you do. Thanks for playing.

Tatsuma
"Like it or not, Wofly, as an assimilated, non-believing Jew, your grand-children have 90% chances of not being Jews. Hell, if your wife is not a Jewish woman, your children are not Jewish to begin with.

Me, on the other hand, being Orthodox and going to marry an Orthodox woman, the chances of my grand-children being Jewish is about 90%.

If I was haredim, it'd be close to 100%.

In two, three generations at most, Reform and Conservative Jews will have ceased to exist and Orthodox Jews will once again be the face of Jewry around the world, baruch Hashem"

You know, that kind of obsession with genetic purity reminds me of something...

Oh yeah!

Wolfy
I'm aware of the issues of 'Who's a Jew' because it can be considered both a religion and an ethnicity. My point is, however, that there are still deliniations between Jews and non-Jews. I took umbrage at defining a Jew as anyone who thought they were Jewish (your hairstyle example). You can be Jewish by blood or by practice, but if you have neither you're not Jewish no matter how much you think you are.

And yes, you are Jewish because some Rabbi (somewhere in time) said you were, or your parents or grandparents, etc. Way back when, someone hammered out the rules of what being Jewish was and it filtered down to your generation. But you distance from it doesn't mean that the connection isn't there. Someone, somewhere, decided that Judaism was hereditery which, if I interpret your ideas as being a Jew, makes you Jewish. If you consider yourself Jewish in the same way that I consider myself American, that's fine. But in the same way if I was neither born in or of Americans, nor legally immigrated, me saying that I'm American wouldn't make it so.

Avicenna
You know, that kind of obsession with genetic purity reminds me of something...

Oh yeah!

haute-douchebaggery.jpg

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. . . what does anything Tatsuma said have to do with genetic purity? I'm pretty much sure the chances of my children being Lutheran would be higher if I married a Lutheran as well . . .

I know I have to learn a lot in debates but the point is that I would like Israël to be dismantled peacefully and transformed into a coalition country, palestnians, jews and christians together.

Anyway, we all know how this whole shiat will end, nuclear annihilation for both sides, Tatsuma included.

Sorry for you, Tatsuma.

Kaeishiwaza

You apparently did not understand the last part of his post.

Tatsuma expressed joy that the reform and conservative sects of Judaism were going extinct and then thanked God for it. If I missed his sarcasm, so be it. Otherwise, he's being a douchebag.

Asteron

equusdc: Egypt is still around...

That is something I wondered about... I know the land is still their but what happened to the ancient Egyptians? Wasnt that culture destroyed by the Romans or something? I don't know if anyone in Egypt still worship Ra and Osiris but I doubt it.

Somebody - and I'm not gonna mention any names - doesn't watch Stargate.

Avicenna
I am very happy every time an evangelical leader is outed as gay or immoral. I hope that religion dies, I also hope Scientology disappears. Am I a Nazi as well?

Avicenna
You apparently did not understand the last part of his post.

No, you didn't understand it. His point is that the likelihood of Reform and Conservative Jews having children who keep the faith is low. Lower than Orthodoxy, at least. Granted that most Orthodox Jews I know of do not even consider Reform and Conservative Jews 'Jewish' in the first place.

His opinions on Reform and Conservative Jews, I will allow him to express. Obviously he doesn't consider Reform and Conservative Jews to be Jewish or 'good Jews'. Then again, some Baptists don't consider Catholics Christian either. And many Christians do not consider Mormons to be Christian. But certainly what he is saying has nothing to do with 'genetic purity' because he has stated before and stated again that anyone can convert to Judaism.

Tatsuma
In two, three generations at most, Reform and Conservative Jews will have ceased to exist and Orthodox Jews will once again be the face of Jewry around the world, baruch Hashem
Very very unlikely. The roots of these movements stem back to around the time of the Reformation. Many generations have passed and the Reform movement still has many adherants. Pick up a copy of Mike Meyer's "Response to Modernity." It's an enlightening read, especially the parallels to the reformation of Catholicism. Granted you may view Reform Jews in the same way that many Christians view Jews for Jesus. It's a good book either way.

Tatsuma
buttsecks?

/thread jack beginning

What is the Jewish take on the buttsecks between man and woman?

/just wondering.
//and you seem to not mind answering my weird Jewish related questions

Kaeishiwaza
Care to explain this?
Then again, some Baptists don't consider Catholics Christian either

WTF! Without Catholicism they would not even exist, they came from it.

Hmmm... Now why would the BBC by biased against Israel? Could it be... Satan!?!? Nah, it probably has something to do with this:


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,251-2277717,00.html



I wonder if anyone submitted this with an ironic tag back in July? This is almost as ironic as gay anti-gay public figures.

Tatsuma
You know if you guy ate pork I would be on board in a heart beat. I love bacon so it would be a problem. That and the whole you guys would want to go cutting on my junk and all.


El_Perro
What about Scientology? It is not even a real religion.

El_Perro
Some people think so. I for one.

Uncle Karl
WTF! Without Catholicism they would not even exist, they came from it.

You might want to Google "Association of Fundamentalists Evangelizing Catholics" which is a Baptist organization dedicated to saving Roman Catholics.

Also consider Bob Jones, Methodist and ex-president of Bob Jones University who stated Catholicism is "the religion of the anti-Christ and a Satanic system."

The KKK is an anti-Catholic organization as well, although they are better known for their racism and anti-immigrant work.

I'm not implying that mainstream Methodists or Baptists believe Catholics are not Christians, but some of them certainly do.

BoozePenguin

Uncle Karl

Spouse abuse is generally frowned upon, however. It's not socialy acceptable to hit you;re wife, although it of course still happens. This would be grounds for divorce in the first world.

Not so in the Arab world, spouse abuse is accepted if the man needs to keep his woman in line.'


I suppose you're not privy to the fact that the Arab world has an infatuation with Sean Connery. It's like that whole Germany and David Hasselhoff thing. That's why women get beat there. Don't you know anything?

http://www.thesuperficial.com/2006/05/sean_connery_beats_up_women.html

Uncle Karl
WTF! Without Catholicism they would not even exist, they came from it.

Kaeishiwaza: You might want to Google "Association of Fundamentalists Evangelizing Catholics" which is a Baptist organization dedicated to saving Roman Catholics.

Also consider Bob Jones, Methodist and ex-president of Bob Jones University who stated Catholicism is "the religion of the anti-Christ and a Satanic system."

So what? Doesn't change the fact that those faiths are evolved from Catholicism.

Tatsuma
Woah there!

I have problem with Reform and Conservative ideology, I don't have problem with Reform or Conservative Jews. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew.

I don't consider their converts to be Jews, I wouldn't eat in their homes because of Kosher issues, but I would gladly invite them or their converts into mine.

Hmm, sounds like 'baruch Hashem' was a bit over the top then? Otherwise you seem to be contradicting yourself. It does imply that you'd favor seeing the ideology of Reform and Conservative Judaism dying off.

Reform Judaism might not disappear in 2 or 3 generations, but then it will be considered a new religion outside of Judaism.

Currently the schism between the branches is viewed more severely from the Orthodox point-of-view. From the Reform point-of-view it's more denominational. For example, the difference in opinion on transubstantiation is a major rift between Protestantism and Catholicism. However most in both denominations still view the others as Christian. Reform's attitudes towards modern justification of Mitzvot and the divinity of the Torah are probably more divisive. However, Reform's definition of Judaism still encompasses all of Orthodoxy. The opposite, from the Orthodox perspective, is not true.

When does Reform Judaism stop being 'Jewish?' Well, I leave that up to you guys :-) Being Lutheran, ecumenism is a cornerstone to my beliefs. The idea that I subscribe to a 'one true faith,' however, is not.

Sloth_DC
So what? Doesn't change the fact that those faiths are evolved from Catholicism.

That wasn't Karl's question. He questioned whether there are Protestants who do not believe Catholics to be Christian. I gave him a few examples. Obviously Baptists and Methodists stemmed from Catholicism (hundreds of years ago), but some neo-evangilists believe that their form of Protestantism is so assuredly the Word of God that other Christian denominations can no longer be considered Christian. A similar example, although not inter-Christian is that the Lutheran Missouri-Synod believes that praying with other faiths (Muslim, Hindu, etc) puts 'their gods' on the same level as 'The God' and is thus prohibited.

Wow. This has turned into a mess since I left. That must mean I'm the civilizerer of Fark! I win!

Kaeishiwaza

Jack Chick doesn't post here.

/As far as I know.
//Bevets?

Tatsuma
A Jew is a Jew is a Jew. A Jew isn't a lesser Jew to me if he's Reform, Atheist or Buddhist.

So, basically, a Jew is a Jew as long as they aren't half the self-identified Jewish population of Los Angeles and New York.

Gotcha.

Why do so many Farkers here always attack Tatsuma on a personal level? I've never seen him get hostile with anyone in the 2 years I've been posting off and on here, unless it's becuase he is proud his heritage. Nothing wrong with that. Hell, I'm proud as hell to be Mexican, and will always defend my people. I just wish the damn Palistinians didn't look like us so much.

Tatsuma

Well, the global Jewish population just dropped by about three million in the space of a single sentence.

Mazel.

And with that, I'm out.

Tatsuma
It's not like they are dead or anything

No, but they're half way there, man. Hell, I've been On Notice since day one.

al-jazeera is the most fair and balanced news source I've been able to find