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(Sun Sentinel)   Starting next month, passport required to return to The USA from Canada, Mexico. Starting in 2008, you'll also need a note from your mother and a Toby Keith CD   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 352
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2006-12-12 01:31:23 PM  
The passport requirement for land travel is problematic. Currently, trucks with goods going to and fro Canada and the US are often not stopped. Even the ones that are stopped are often let through very quickly. If every one of those were stopped and the driver's passport checked, it would take days for trucks to get through.
 
2006-12-12 01:31:36 PM  
Ehhh last time going to canada:

Canadian customs pretty much dissasembled my car. Understandable, seeing as we were 3 guys in our early 20s from new jersey, in a rental car, crossing the border in detroit of all places. They found our fireworks and fined me 40 bucks.

Coming home into the states:

Guy in a toll booth leaned in and asked to see my license. I was driving. Then demanded 50 cents (or whatever) for the toll and told us to have a nice day.

On the downside, I have apparently found my way on to a smuggler list or something thanks to the canadian fire works incident, so going through customs is always such a joy.
 
2006-12-12 01:31:38 PM  
jbc
Like anyone who owns a Toby Keith CD plans on leaving their county, much less the country.

Nice try.

/owns several Toby Keith CDs
//visits Canada on a regular basis, plans to visit Mexico next year
///Darryl Worley should be the new Toby Keith uber-jingoistic country music cliche, "I Just Came Back from a War."
 
2006-12-12 01:31:57 PM  
I've got the best of both worlds. I've got my US passport, but also have my Landed Immigrant card for Canada. I can cross the border both ways with ease. Though I must say that the US crossing guards are surly noobs. They tend to talk to me as if I'm a traitor when I cross into the States. Granted, I did leave my country of birth to move to Canada; but it hardly makes me a traitor or unpatriotic or a turrorist for that matter. The Canadian crossing guards are cheery and friendly and say "welcome back" with a minimum of questions. Most of the time they just want to see my immigrant card because they look so cool and at this point, they're still not all that common.
 
2006-12-12 01:32:22 PM  
In my experience the US border guards at Sault Ste. Marie are dick wads. But it's fine with me if they want to tear apart the car while someone else goes by with da smoke.

I mean seriously, if someone is for real smuggling drugs into this country you think they are going to be dressed like campers or a nice family or whatever? Give me a f*cking break.
 
2006-12-12 01:32:48 PM  
Canadian Canuck: Meh.

I always bring my passport when I went to the States, made life just that much easier. Plus a passport is useful in many many other ways.


Useful how? Do you use it as a coaster? A notepad?
 
2006-12-12 01:34:15 PM  
But is it still OK, when you're in a foreign country, to say, "I'm an American, dammit! Your Mickey Mouse laws don't apply to me!"?
 
2006-12-12 01:34:23 PM  
snowbirds migrage to AZ... at least where i come from.

/miss BC in the back yard, it was like a big, beautiful, wild playground.
 
2006-12-12 01:34:28 PM  
Cousin Dupree: Statement: The US Passport is a de facto National Identity Card.

Discuss.


Position:
False. You are not required to have a passport.
If you want to reenter the country, yes. Just like every other country or political entity on the planet.
But you are not required to have one.
 
2006-12-12 01:34:31 PM  
Sgian Dubh: What benefit does a passport give me? Its only purpose is to allow the governments to keep track of my movements.

What you need to do is keep your passport wrapped up in tin foil!
 
2006-12-12 01:35:28 PM  
Get a f*ckin' passport, people.


/ that is all
 
2006-12-12 01:35:30 PM  
rob.d: My passport has a Cuba stamp on it.

I'm trying to think of a clever answer if I'm asked what I was doing in Cuba.

Since I'm white and look like the boy-next-door I should not have any problems though.



Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Cuban Communist Party, Mr. rob.d?
 
2006-12-12 01:35:33 PM  
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/We don't need no stinkin' papers
 
2006-12-12 01:36:29 PM  
So they won't let you back in if you don't have a passport? What? You get sent off on the short bus to gitmo or something?
 
2006-12-12 01:37:14 PM  
I always assumed you needed a passport for mexico...
 
2006-12-12 01:37:19 PM  
i'm coming back in on a zeppelin made of atomic warheads. try and stop me, biatches.
 
2006-12-12 01:37:23 PM  
This should've been done years ago. It's a small measure but I dare say a necessary one to safeguard our borders against terrorists. What's the point of having all those security checks at American airports if the terrorists can just fly to Canada and walk into America unchecked?

Also, listen libtards, instead of blaming the government for this blame the real bad guys: the islamofascists who wants us all dead.
 
2006-12-12 01:38:12 PM  
Albi4everare you guys the type that don't have ID on you when the cop pulls you over and you wonder why he's giving you such a hard time?

Wow, you've created an entire opinion for me based on my comment about calling somebody a moron. That's truely amazing. I actually dont really mind if a passport is required. I have one. But if I didn't, that wouldn't make me a "moron".

It's the law to have my driver's liscence with me. It's not the law (currently) to have a passport to go to Canada. Eventually it will be, but right now, it is not. Your comparison makes no sense.
 
2006-12-12 01:38:47 PM  
Well that sucks. I'm in and out of Canada all the time; maybe 3x+ a day... my girlfriend is Canadian.

Joking aside this is kind of dumb. It is the longest unprotected boarder in the world. You can jump from one side to the other. So what does it stop? nothing, but it does make us pay more fees.
 
2006-12-12 01:39:05 PM  
this is new? I had to use a passport when I went to and from Vancouver.
 
2006-12-12 01:39:45 PM  
Mom + pop + 2 kids = $350+ in passport fees. That's a lot, and really hurts the vacation budget. However, there's no better way to prove who you are to the douane, because a driver's licence in the U.S. doesn't prove jack about nationality.
 
2006-12-12 01:39:48 PM  
Shazam999: The passport requirement for land travel is problematic. Currently, trucks with goods going to and fro Canada and the US are often not stopped. Even the ones that are stopped are often let through very quickly. If every one of those were stopped and the driver's passport checked, it would take days for trucks to get through.

I don't know that they're saying EVERY instance will require a full check, just that you'll need to have it if they ask.
 
2006-12-12 01:39:51 PM  
tweekster: I always assumed you needed a passport for mexico...


I always got "passport" and "penicillin" mixed up too.
 
2006-12-12 01:40:04 PM  
FriarTuck

Actually the only time I've ever been detained at an international border was the I-91 stop into Canada. They tore my car apart for an hour and asked me insulting questions. My crime was that I had a car of (non-long haired) Dartmouth students headed to Motreal for the weekend.

One time I was returning from Canada from a college rugby tournament in Canada. I had taken my car up because we needed an extra van at the last minute. Going back, one of our teammates (an Irish national) was asleep under a blanket in the back. We realized about 5 miles into the USA that they never asked him for his passport and likely never even noticed him back there.


My family drove up to visit me at McGill in Montreal, and halfway up (from Northern Jersey, so 2.5hrs into the drive, too late to turn back) they realized my brother didn't have his passport or any ID with him. So they hid him in the third row seat of the suburban under a blanket through the border both ways. They would have been SO screwed if they searched the car, but they made it, so it was actually pretty funny.
 
2006-12-12 01:40:25 PM  
Great.

Let's all biatch about this again.

The last thread wasn't long enough, apparently...
 
2006-12-12 01:41:11 PM  
Any country has the right to control its borders.

Every country should be able to note and record those people who pass across its borders, in or out.

If you don't like it, form your own country and make it passport-free.


/ when you object to needing a p@ssport, try (I know it's difficult for you) *TRY* to remember that it's not all about you
 
2006-12-12 01:41:18 PM  
decibelle: Mom + pop + 2 kids = $350+ in passport fees. That's a lot, and really hurts the vacation budget.

It's not like you have to do that every year, though. Adults - 10 years, kids - 5 years.
 
2006-12-12 01:41:35 PM  
My immigration story (with moral!)

Crossing into Michigan from Ontario, renewing my work visa. I'd just gotten married to an American (gasp! the horror!), and the frickin US border guard accused me of forcing her to let me in because I didn't maintain a home in both countries. Wtf?

Moral: Rural crossings have nicer guards. But not always.
 
2006-12-12 01:42:30 PM  
Anyone know if I need to get this? I live in Canada, as a citizen (Born there.) but I also have my american born abroad status. Can I just use my birth certificate, or am I really going to have to get a passport?
 
2006-12-12 01:42:39 PM  
Your Black Muslim Credit Union: It is the longest unprotected boarder in the world.

A tall woman that rents a room in your house?
 
2006-12-12 01:42:57 PM  
"I'm trying to think of a clever answer if I'm asked what I was doing in Cuba."

Tell em the truth... farking round ass latin girls, drinking cheap rum, and smoking cigars.
 
2006-12-12 01:42:58 PM  
Toby Keith? Guess I'm not getting back in.
 
2006-12-12 01:43:41 PM  
decibelle: Mom + pop + 2 kids = $350+ in passport fees. That's a lot, and really hurts the vacation budget.

vacation? to Canada? or Mexico?

ugh.

/heading to London in March, that's a vacation
 
2006-12-12 01:43:44 PM  
YouPeopleAreCrazy, hah nice catch... should read my posts.
 
2006-12-12 01:43:48 PM  
I guess wading across is now out

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2006-12-12 01:44:03 PM  
Canada and the US have always shared an "Open Border". This is akin to requiring a passport to go from England to Wales, or from one EU member to another.

For Orlando, the rule -- which eventually will affect cruise and land travelers as well -- affects many of its visitors

So wait, if a cruise ship goes 5 miles out, turns around and comes back, everyone needs passports? Even if you didn't go anywhere?

So if some kids go fishing and get blown/drift 5 miles off course, are those kinds not going to get let back in? That will be fun.

All of this is despite the fact many "cusotms stations" consist of a hotline telephone where you call someone and say you're caoming back in now. No amount of Homeland Security is going to make that more secure.

I think the spit will really hit the fan come January 2008 when you need a the national ID card to buy alchohol or board any train, plane, bus, or subway.
 
2006-12-12 01:44:42 PM  
rob.d: My passport has a Cuba stamp on it.

I'm trying to think of a clever answer if I'm asked what I was doing in Cuba.



Tell them your church group went there to build houses. (they get exemptions).


The first page of my passport stamp section has entries in Istanbul (complete with giant Islamic star/crescent tourist visa sticket), Tangiers, and an EU stamp for Amsterdam/Schlipol. Oddly enough I have never been detained when presenting a passport.
 
2006-12-12 01:44:43 PM  
What this does is give an appearance that the government is doing something. It won't in fact do a thing to stop another attack like on the WTC. Dare I remind users that none of the hijackers came from Mexico/Canada and all flew domestic plans into the towers?

The next step is RFID chips in your ass. Anyone without an RFID chip will be suspect.

Personally, I don't care. It won't affect me so it isn't my problem.

/you should have a passport regardless
 
2006-12-12 01:44:57 PM  
Get a f*ckin' passport, people.

Yeah! Why question your government?
 
2006-12-12 01:45:32 PM  
ozone: There are a lot of very rural areas, like far northern Vermont, where it's a necessity to cross the borders to do things like buy milk. Or see mom. And often times, for people who live there, the $100 fee is a real hardship.

But flying to another country is just a piece of cake.

Come on, try again.
 
2006-12-12 01:45:35 PM  
MonkeyChickfromCocoon: Did anyone notice that a paper in Florida published the article? Why do the old people care? It's not like they go anywhere anyway...except of course to run one another over in their golf carts. I wonder if Grandma could get a note from her mom if she wanted to fly back into the US?


Other then the fact that Florida is the gateway to the US for half the planet.
 
2006-12-12 01:45:48 PM  
ryuuseki: Anyone know if I need to get this?

State Dept
"Beginning January 23, 2007, ALL persons, including U.S. citizens, traveling by air between the United States and Canada..."

Key word ALL. You are not excused.
 
2006-12-12 01:46:00 PM  
whammer: Millions of Americans are going to totally screw over tourism in Canada and Mexico


It probably all evens out. The number of international tourists visiting the USA has dropped a lot, and Mexico and Canada surely get some of them instead.


/who actually wants ignorant yankee tourists anyway
//except for their money
///just kidding
 
2006-12-12 01:47:53 PM  
TheSignPost: If you don't like it, form your own country and make it passport-free.

Yes, the whole "if you dont agree with the goverment, leave!" argument.

Last I checked, it's still acceptable to disagree with the actions of your government and express your opinions here in the United States.
 
2006-12-12 01:48:35 PM  
There is no hardship that could force me to buy a Toby Keith CD.
 
2006-12-12 01:49:09 PM  
tweekster: I always assumed you needed a passport for mexico...

You need a tetnus shot and a dose of penicillin for certain.
 
2006-12-12 01:49:19 PM  
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2006-12-12 01:49:35 PM  
Yeah, get a passport. Between dentists and prescription drugs, it will more than pay for itself in one trip.
 
2006-12-12 01:49:53 PM  
"Last I checked, it's still acceptable to disagree with the actions of your government and express your opinions here in the United States."


Yes, that is what free speech zones are for.
 
2006-12-12 01:50:25 PM  
ozone
There are a lot of very rural areas, like far northern Vermont, where it's a necessity to cross the borders to do things like buy milk. Or see mom. And often times, for people who live there, the $100 fee is a real hardship.

There's also the Northwest Angle in Minnesota. The only way to get there by land from the rest of the US is by a dirt road that goes through Manitoba.

I wonder if they're going to need passports now?

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