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(WCVB)   High school to stop publishing honor roll because it represents "an unhealthy focus on grades"   (thebostonchannel.com) divider line 226
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2006-12-12 09:00:05 AM
So they would prefer that the students focus on fitting in with the crowd and scoring good drugs, right? Yeah, good grades are for suckers.

I bet this is one of those schools where you can earn college credits in "Good Self-Esteem".
 
2006-12-12 09:02:41 AM
You know who else has an unhealthy focus on grades? Colleges, and their scholarship committees.
 
2006-12-12 09:02:56 AM
He pointed out that there are lots of other ways that students achieve, such as in clubs, musicals, concerts, athletics and community service.

He said the ranking of students solely based on grades goes against the school's overall mission which is to "promote learning."


Where to farking start with this dick? Clubs, musicals, concerts, athletics and community service are not what a school is about. Other orgs take care of these. Schools should focus on grades, and achievement in school should be measured in academic terms.
Other organisations can publish their version of honour rolls to recognise all these other achievement types.
 
2006-12-12 09:03:29 AM
I can see where this would be useful if applied to the real world.

We could have elections without counting the votes, because of the stress placed on the loser non-winner.

Sporting events should probably lose that whole "points" thingy too. That's gotta be damaging to the "second place" team.

And, of course, the "numbers" involved in salaries are just so stressful that we should, I don't know, maybe expect that everyone will simply work to the best of their ability, and take according to their needs?

Y'think anyone has ever written about that last part before?
 
2006-12-12 09:05:16 AM
Publishing honor roll names is an exercise in stupidity. All it does is encourage more of the grade inflation that's already common in the 'honors track' classes, where up to a full grade point is already added just to inflate grading statistics and give grade grubbers a higher plateau from which to start. A mediocre student who takes all AP or IB classes in high school (and those classes are filled, teeming, with mediocre students) will end up on the Honor Roll every semester simply by virtue of being in those classes. This is precisely why so many colleges and universities are starting to turn away from overly focusing on grades and, instead, focusing on the "big picture" of a student's performance in school--involvement in activities and athletics, volunteerism, etc. Stratospheric grades and Honor Roll postings mean absolutely nothing.
 
2006-12-12 09:07:50 AM
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2006-12-12 09:12:47 AM
The wussification of America continues unabated.
 
2006-12-12 09:20:12 AM
Why are kids in school? To learn. How is that determined? By their farking grades!

Way to keep pushing mediocrity!
 
2006-12-12 09:25:40 AM
What Pocket Ninja said.
 
2006-12-12 09:27:58 AM
Does this mean they're going to stop publishing the big picture of Joe Quarterback scoring the winning TD in the sports section? No? I see.
 
2006-12-12 09:29:31 AM
What I said yesterday: Cripes. This sh*t is more asinine than anything. We can't let our children know if they're doing well or poorly because someone might lose some self-esteem! F*ck that. Little wankers aren't going to know what hit them as soon as they hit either college or the real world. My school system did away with class rank and all that because it would hurt little Twatwaffle's feelings to know he's at the bottom of the class. Get the fark real.
 
2006-12-12 09:35:38 AM
Pocket Ninja

What you're describing is a failure of policy, not an inherent shortcoming of grading.
 
2006-12-12 09:37:49 AM
PocketNinja,

Or, the people in the Honors and AP classes are higher-achieving students, making them more likely to succeed in their courses. Those classes get bonus points to recognize the fact that they are harder than the average couses.

When I was in high school, I took a good amount of honors classes, and a couple of AP classes. They were legitimately harder than the regular classes. And this was in a school where you needed a 75 to pass.
 
2006-12-12 09:38:54 AM
Pocket Ninja: This is precisely why so many colleges and universities are starting to turn away from overly focusing on grades and, instead, focusing on the "big picture" of a student's performance in school--involvement in activities and athletics, volunteerism, etc. Stratospheric grades and Honor Roll postings mean absolutely nothing.

I agree that grade inflation is ridiculous, but I don't think not publishing honor rolls will help. I think they should look more towards SAT and ACT scores instead of clubs. Anyone can join 30 clubs, but standardized tests are the one constant from school to school.
 
2006-12-12 09:41:49 AM
Standardized tests are ass
Club membership is ass
Grade inflation is ass

I say we put kids in that thing from Cube and make them apply their math, science, and writing skills to escape death traps.
 
2006-12-12 09:42:53 AM
I always saw those lists as an incentive--do well, get your name on the list.

My high school also had a Gold Card for students who were on the honor roll...I had one of those, you got discounts at certain stores with it.

/been on "the list" quite a few times
 
2006-12-12 09:46:09 AM
Hand: Apply directly to forehead.
Hand: Apply directly to forehead.
Hand: Apply directly to forehead.

Alexandra:
I always saw those lists as an incentive--do well, get your name on the list.

And what's more, in some of the places I lived you could get some sort of reward from various local places if you got on the honor roll. Like a grocery store would give a free candy bar (of the student's choice) to each student who got on the honor roll, which was printed in the local newspaper.
 
2006-12-12 09:54:50 AM
kronicfeld: I say we put kids in that thing from Cube and make them apply their math, science, and writing skills to escape death traps

Astronomical!
 
2006-12-12 10:02:52 AM
Pretty soon, employers will only hire individuals who were taught in private schools.

Sad. Sad. Sad.

Wish I had thought of this excuse with my parents when I didn't get on the honor roll. "Mom. Dad. Isn't this an unhealthy fixation on grades...hard work...learning...and in general detrimental to my professional computer gaming career?"
 
2006-12-12 10:04:46 AM
Well if they don't make it on the damn list maybe they should try harder.
 
2006-12-12 10:04:51 AM
Hopefully they'll stop handing out letterman jackets and patches, too.
 
2006-12-12 10:05:52 AM
I so can't wait until this generation of kids are in the workforce and are consistently beaten down by everyone around them. I'm training a generation Y person right now and she is totally helpless, self involved, and definitely a beautiful and unique snowflake. She'll be eaten alive.
 
2006-12-12 10:05:57 AM
This reminds me of something....

You can't hold a whole school responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted honor roll wannabes. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole honor roll system? And if the whole honor roll system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Fark - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
 
2006-12-12 10:06:04 AM
RyoShin

Like a grocery store would give a free candy bar (of the student's choice) to each student who got on the honor roll, which was printed in the local newspaper.

yeah see when i was in high school my reaction would've been "or i could go over to that machine and spend 75 cents on a candy bar! much cheaper! faster too! mmmmmmm that sure is good!"

/had no motivation in high school
 
2006-12-12 10:06:23 AM
kronicfeld
Standardized tests are ass
Club membership is ass
Grade inflation is ass
I say we put kids in that thing from Cube and make them apply their math, science, and writing skills to escape death traps.


I'll do you one better and suggest we institute a Battle Royale program for all graduating seniors. Not only makes sure that those leaving high school have the ruthlessness and self-reliance needed to survive the real world, but also curbs the problem of overcrowded colleges.
 
2006-12-12 10:06:44 AM
Kids must learn how to compete, while at the same time learning that grades aren't everything, and that if a person does better/worse than you in grades / sports / drama / monthly blowjobs in the bathroom it doesn't necessarily make them a better / worse person than you.


It's called "growing up and becoming a person."


Life is competitive. Kids must know how to compete.
 
2006-12-12 10:06:54 AM
Can still find the honor roll, their your bosses
 
DD0
2006-12-12 10:06:57 AM
BUT THAT'S THE POINT OF HIGH SCHOOL!
 
2006-12-12 10:07:29 AM
submitter: High school to stop publishing honor roll because it represents "an unhealthy focus on grades"

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For 150,000 years, our species has been fine-tuned by unrelenting physical, mental, and social competition. Until now.

Can we just hand the planet over to the other damn dirty apes, and get it over with already?
 
2006-12-12 10:08:05 AM
Blue State Blues. Go figure. Can we start a campaign for a Massachusetts tag?
 
2006-12-12 10:08:17 AM
Teahcers just use that list as a cudgel to brow beat students.

"Shape up, or I'll make sure you don't make honors."
 
2006-12-12 10:08:54 AM
Pass the popcorn

Hilary For Pre666ident
 
2006-12-12 10:09:42 AM
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2006-12-12 10:11:03 AM
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2006-12-12 10:11:09 AM
The old arcade in my neighborhood would give a free game credit for every B and two free game credits for every A. D and F students were given a good, brutal beating. Hey, I grew up on the mean streets of academia.

/the A and B part was true
 
2006-12-12 10:11:28 AM
CupidStunt Well, now, NO ONE gets to be an astronaut when they grow up.
 
lfv
2006-12-12 10:11:32 AM
This phoney concern over high achievement makes me sick. What does this afflict, like 0.1% of the HS population? How about, if we are worried about students, we focus on trying to make sure every school is at least competent?

/it's an investment to prevent crime
 
2006-12-12 10:12:21 AM
The Mail Demon: What I said yesterday: Cripes. This sh*t is more asinine than anything. We can't let our children know if they're doing well or poorly because someone might lose some self-esteem! F*ck that. Little wankers aren't going to know what hit them as soon as they hit either college or the real world. My school system did away with class rank and all that because it would hurt little Twatwaffle's feelings to know he's at the bottom of the class. Get the fark real.

Um... I've never lived in Maryland, and I don't recognize you from your profile picture.

Besides, I was never one to care about class rank, and both high schools I attended had class rankings. I was one of the smartest kids in my class, and I had zero motivation to do any work.
 
2006-12-12 10:13:04 AM
Pocket Ninja,

"A mediocre student who takes all AP or IB classes in high school (and those classes are filled, teeming, with mediocre students) will end up on the Honor Roll every semester simply by virtue of being in those classes".

Where are these schools? Are you telling me that simply getting into one of these classes guarantees good grades?
 
2006-12-12 10:13:12 AM
To get me to put in the couple ounces of effort it took me to get on the honor roll, my parents bribed me. $10 per A, $5 per B, $25 for honor roll, $50 for distinguished honor roll. That was the only way they could get me to care about high school.

So I say, why don't we pay kids for good grades and test scores? That'll give them an incentive to do better in school.
 
2006-12-12 10:13:23 AM
My name was always published on the honor roll list, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/private school FTW
 
2006-12-12 10:13:33 AM
/cry

Why are people so stupid?


WHY?
 
2006-12-12 10:14:24 AM
Jebus.

You think grades are stupid? Find a better system. Till then, they happen to be the easiest way to gauge how kids are doing in school. That's also why standardized tests are a nessecary evil

You gotta figure it out somehow.
 
2006-12-12 10:14:26 AM
The Icelander: So I say, why don't we pay kids for good grades and test scores? That'll give them an incentive to do better in school.


Except, now, for this school, you can pay as much as you want, but they never get on the honor roll because other people might feel bad.
 
2006-12-12 10:14:27 AM
"Needham High's principal said the decision to no longer publish the honor roll is not nailed in cement."

Nailed in cement???

/sorry no html
 
2006-12-12 10:14:58 AM
Nobody'sPerfekt
Where are these schools? Are you telling me that simply getting into one of these classes guarantees good grades?

In my high school, when calcuating GPAs, they counted AP classes as 1.2 of a class, and Advanced classes as 1.1 of a class. Meaning that an 80 (barely a B) in an AP class counted as a 96 (an A), and an 80 in an advanced class counted as an 88 (B+).
 
2006-12-12 10:16:02 AM
I_C_Weener
Except, now, for this school, you can pay as much as you want, but they never get on the honor roll because other people might feel bad.

That's fine. I never cared about being on the honor roll to begin with. I'd much rather have the money.
 
2006-12-12 10:16:27 AM
We should just ask the students what grades they think they deserve :)
 
2006-12-12 10:16:33 AM
That was the only way they could get me to care about high school.

So I say, why don't we pay kids for good grades and test scores? That'll give them an incentive to do better in school.



Splendid outlook. Just because your parents were lazy and over-indulgent in raising you, and just because you turned out as a passive-aggressive masochist as a result, no need to take it out on the rest of us.
 
2006-12-12 10:16:52 AM
Aw, two kids were whining.... STFU and study!

Public schools are crap! Crap! Thank goodness (and God) I have a local private school to send my son. Most of the kids on the honor roll are motivated to earn good grades.

Although I don't remember making honor roll in high school, I did make Dean's list in college, and I was damn proud.

Normalizing the student population so no one gets offended is a crap system and I won't support it.
 
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