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(Sun Sentinel)   Florida to make beating up hobos a hate crime   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 109
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2006-12-09 12:03:20 PM  
The idea of a hate crime is stupid. If it's a crime it's a crime. Whether it's motivated by hatred or by idiocy or both is irrelevant.
 
2006-12-09 12:07:02 PM  
Remember, all men are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
 
2006-12-09 12:15:38 PM  
This could be more complicated than it seems.

For example, in cases of hobo on hobo crime such as Whiskey Red vs. The Dang-burned Varmit That Was Messing Wit My Sterno, which is going through the higher courts as we speak.
 
2006-12-09 12:21:33 PM  
How about forced bathing?
 
2006-12-09 12:31:05 PM  
What the hell are we supposed to do with our Saturday nights, now?
 
2006-12-09 12:31:53 PM  
This is why they have the term "premeditation".

If you and your buddies plan to go out and kick some bums, you just committed a premeditated crime. That automatically carries extra weight for many crimes.

As I've said it before, if the penalty isn't a strong enough discouragement, increase the penalty for all, not just a specific subset.
 
2006-12-09 12:54:37 PM  
What if the hobo is a black illegal immigrant? Would that be a hate hate hate crime?
 
2006-12-09 01:00:44 PM  
No, Kyosuke, that would be aggressive deportation.
 
2006-12-09 01:19:39 PM  
There goes my Saturday afternoons.
 
2006-12-09 01:31:28 PM  
OK. But what about killing hobos? That's still classified as sport, right?
 
2006-12-09 01:35:31 PM  
But what if it gives me a boner?

Is it then considered a sex crime?
 
2006-12-09 01:43:05 PM  
Heroic Poser:
Is it then considered a sex crime?
Not the way you're equipped.

\ZING!
 
2006-12-09 02:41:34 PM  
Remember, all men are created equal, but some are more less equal than others.

Fixed that for you so you can understand how the hate crime lobby really thinks.
 
2006-12-09 03:09:49 PM  
RocketRod: Fixed that for you so you can understand how the hate crime lobby really thinks.

Touche.
 
2006-12-09 03:11:09 PM  
Well crap! I guess I'm free tonight.

/What to do, what to do...
 
2006-12-09 03:11:59 PM  
Dinjiin: This is why they have the term "premeditation".

Many states don't have have a "premedition" mens rea.

So much for that excuse.
 
2006-12-09 03:13:46 PM  
LovesEatingMuff

No, Kyosuke, that would be aggressive deportation.

Ha ha!

That made my day

/though it is a slow day
//but still
 
2006-12-09 03:14:24 PM  
LocalCynic: but all states do distinguish betwen first degree and second degree murder..the only diffrence between them are your thoughts when you commited the murder. so much for your argument.
 
2006-12-09 03:14:31 PM  
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rufus not impressed
 
2006-12-09 03:16:29 PM  
pstudent12: LocalCynic: but all states do distinguish betwen first degree and second degree murder..the only diffrence between them are your thoughts when you commited the murder. so much for your argument.

So you're saying most states make murder a thought crime? Gasp! Call out the guards!
 
2006-12-09 03:16:39 PM  
i36.photobucket.com
 
2006-12-09 03:16:40 PM  
SUBMITTER IS AN ASSHAT AND SHOULD DIE IN A FARKING FIRE!


/seriously.
 
2006-12-09 03:16:46 PM  
Pathetic, considering how many homeless people themselves start conflicts. Just the other night I was walking home from work, about 11:00 p.m., and some homeless dude was getting aggressive, shouting and asking some stupid question. Idiot shut his mouth when I turned around (think he saw my uniform and thought I was a cop, but I'm security). And I can imagine what it's like in bigger cities, as I'm only in Lexington, Kentucky.
 
2006-12-09 03:16:59 PM  
WTF difference does it make if it's a hate crime or not? Do I get less prison time if I beat someone and take their money than if I just "didn't like their type"?
 
2006-12-09 03:18:18 PM  
If they leave you alone, leave them alone.

If they bother you, bother them back with shock and awe*.

*bottle rockets and water balloons
 
2006-12-09 03:20:56 PM  
www.texasshrineclowns.org
not impressed.
 
2006-12-09 03:21:08 PM  
I like to find the doorways and stairwells where they sleep at night, and then dump sugar or corn syrup all over it as a little treat for the ants.
 
2006-12-09 03:21:18 PM  
LocalCynic

So you're saying most states make murder a thought crime?


You are slow to understand so I'll speak slowly you...

ALL...states...make...murder...a...thought...crime. Not just a USA thing either but this is true for english law going back a millenium.

Thought crime == your thoughts (intent) when you committed
the murder, being the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder.
 
2006-12-09 03:22:02 PM  
When the hobos get angry around here I throw quarters at them, it hurts them but they leave me alone to chase the money. Is this a hate crime? I am paying them.
 
2006-12-09 03:22:11 PM  
Snuffaluffagus - I can imagine what it's like in bigger cities, as I'm only in Lexington, Kentucky.

Dude, when I lived above Whittington's Bookstore on Limestone, we had a major problem with really obnoxious bums congregating in the covered loading dock at Nick Kremer's Wholesale. Bottle rockets and water balloons were a temporary fix. A concerned neighbor finally set the loading dock on fire, and the bums migrated elsewhere.
 
2006-12-09 03:22:14 PM  
The more groups eventually fall under the jurisdiction of discrimination and hate-crime, the more that discrimination and hate is perpetrated on any not under such jurisdiction. Then, when the crime can be facilitated against the only group unable to be discriminated against, it is a hate-crime, and all of those ideas are fairly petty.

Then again, while I'm not for saying that if a white guy hates black people and attacks them for that reason it is a hate-crime worthy of more punishment, attacking what is essentially the most defenseless and overall pointless in attacking, it targets them not out of xenophobia but out of a base belief that they are less than human. While one would say most xenophobia is the same, you cannot make the distinction, but here.
 
2006-12-09 03:22:36 PM  
Now how will I spend my saturday afternoons?
 
2006-12-09 03:22:54 PM  
lol Lunber Jack Off is homeless! lets kik his arse!
 
2006-12-09 03:24:12 PM  
pstudent12: ALL...states...make...murder...a...thought...crime. Not just a USA thing either but this is true for english law going back a millenium.

Thought crime == your thoughts (intent) when you committed


But... hate crimes are thought crimes... and thought crimes are bad... and murder is a thought crime?
 
2006-12-09 03:26:44 PM  
Chedderpants, I'm living right off Euclid Ave right now and it's really getting to me how bad these bums are. I can't keep anything in my car because these thieves keep stealing from me. I agree with your bottle rockets and water balloon advice, as I'd never attack a homeless person at close distance for a variety of reasons.
 
2006-12-09 03:30:08 PM  
CheddarPants: A concerned neighbor finally set the loading dock on fire

Don't you mean an "arsonist" set the loading dock on fire?
 
2006-12-09 03:31:15 PM  
It seems a bit inappropriate to circumscribe what constitutes a "hate crime" in law. They should really just allow more leeway in sentencing, so that judges can properly account for the specifics of the case. For example, I agree that someone who kills a hobo just because he's a hobo is worse than someone who kills a hobo because he, say, peed in his yard or something.
 
2006-12-09 03:32:31 PM  
I'm against hate crime. I only beat up people I like.
 
2006-12-09 03:33:45 PM  
Why is it necessary to make a murder charge "worse" because of who you target? What if someone hates vegans and kills vegans wherever they are found....there is no add-on to the murder of a vegan because they are not a protected class. What makes a vegan murder less important than a hobo murder? You can do this with any class of people. When you set the precedent for murder of poor people because they are poor to be "worse" than murder of a middle-class person because they are middle-class, you are discriminating and also setting the precedent for murder of rich-people to be made "worse" than murder of others.
 
2006-12-09 03:36:16 PM  
etymxris: It seems a bit inappropriate to circumscribe what constitutes a "hate crime" in law. They should really just allow more leeway in sentencing, so that judges can properly account for the specifics of the case. For example, I agree that someone who kills a hobo just because he's a hobo is worse than someone who kills a hobo because he, say, peed in his yard or something.

Well thank God that those tough-on-crime Republicans are making up mandatory minimum sentences and raising penalties to stop these damn activist judges! Checks and balances is some crackpot hippie idea invented by feminists, I tell ya.
 
2006-12-09 03:37:26 PM  
It just goes to show you. If you are going to kill someone, you better make damn sure they are just like you.
 
2006-12-09 03:38:03 PM  
Utterly fantastic headline/ tag combo subby. Luckily I was sipping my coffee just as I read it so I was able to use the cup to catch the nasal discharge.
 
2006-12-09 03:38:57 PM  
Warning, thread jack ahead.

Can anyone post for me the "I'm so very afraid-sack stuck in the slotted chair" thread.

One of the best Fark threads evar.

Sincerely and thanks...
 
2006-12-09 03:43:44 PM  
OK, so if you steal from someone, it's theft. What if you steal from a lawyer - is it a hate theft? Does that add +1 to your crime?

Or how about raping a scientist? Does that mean hate rape? Is it worse than regular rape? Is it better?

What the hell is it with these "customized" crimes? Beating someone up is a crime and that's it. Why the hate tag?
 
2006-12-09 03:44:24 PM  
Oh, one more:

Free speech. Isn't it time we modified that too? We could have free hate speech.
 
2006-12-09 03:45:40 PM  
tonguedepressor: Warning, thread jack ahead.

Can anyone post for me the "I'm so very afraid-sack stuck in the slotted chair" thread.

One of the best Fark threads evar.

Sincerely and thanks...


http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2018473


A google search took me about 15 seconds to find it. This was probably quicker than the time it took you to post a request for someone else to find it for you. Your google-fu is weak.
 
2006-12-09 03:45:55 PM  
I live and work in Downtown Fort Lauderdale right across the street from the infamous park where one bum was beaten to death and another was beaten by a pack of kids - As a result of the police protection and the attention drawn to them as a result of the attacks, the bums down here feel invincible and have become pretty bold - if this bill passes, it will be like a license to behave however they want - Just last night two bums that hang around here followed me out to my car - they were most assuredly thinking about jumping me - I know this because they were whispering very loudly to each other something to that effect - that and I was parked in a back corner of the parking lot and other than to mess with me, there was no reason for them to be back there - I reached into my car and pulled out my steel whip - the look on their faces was classic - the sound of the whip snapping open let them know I meant business - don't get me wrong, I feel bad for a lot of these guys and regularly help some of them out and watch their backs - one guy even naps in his wheelchair across the street from my office so I can keep an eye on him when he sleeps - but, most of these guys are violent drunks and drug abusers that will jump you in a second if you don't watch out - One time this guy that hangs out at The Poorhouse passed out in the alley - our security guard heard some noises and when he popped open the door to see what was up, a bum had my friend's pants halfway down and was trying to mount him - Don't worry Matt I won't use your name on here - D'oh
 
2006-12-09 03:46:26 PM  
Bum Fights
 
2006-12-09 03:48:42 PM  
Looks like these guys will need a new hobby.

www.thefoolsparadise.com
 
2006-12-09 03:48:45 PM  
"Rep. Priscilla Taylor, D-Riviera Beach, said some young people appear to be specifically targeting the homeless because of who they are _ which makes it a hate crime."

Being a hobo is an ecomonic circumstance, not an identity. 'Those people' weren't born hobos. Way to bigot there lady.
 
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