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(McClatchy)   After carefully reading the Constitution, Sen. Arlen Specter (RINO - PA), introduces legislation to restore habeas corpus   (realcities.com) divider line 63
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2006-12-08 11:29:55 AM
Specter is a fine example of all that is wrong with our political system (just like just about every other senator).
 
2006-12-08 11:33:09 AM
MacG: Specter is a fine example of all that is wrong with our political system

yah, and this is a pretty good example of it.

maybe ya shouldn't have voted for it in the first place, arlen.
 
2006-12-08 11:35:22 AM
The Military Commissions Act has so many flaws it's ridiclous. It never would have held up in court. Why you vote for something that you know will be overturned is beyond me.
 
2006-12-08 11:36:39 AM
heap: maybe ya shouldn't have voted for it in the first place, arlen.

Yup, he shouldn't have, but since the past cannot be changed, I for one welcome his return to the pro-Constitution, reality-based world.
 
2006-12-08 11:40:08 AM
"A theory created by an ambitious junior senator, one of the grossest lies ever perpetrated on the American public..."
 
2006-12-08 11:41:18 AM
Lionel Mandrake: I for one welcome his return to the pro-Constitution, reality-based world.

i welcome nothing other than a politician that speaks towards one end, and inevitably bends on it when the chips are on the table.
 
2006-12-08 11:41:53 AM
Lionel Mandrake: Yup, he shouldn't have, but since the past cannot be changed, I for one welcome his return to the pro-Constitution, reality-based world.

I'm going to have to agree...

But if a better candidate ran against him, I'd probably vote for the other candidate.
 
2006-12-08 11:43:10 AM
heap: i welcome nothing other than a politician that speaks towards one end, and inevitably bends on it when the chips are on the table.

www.kcet.org

I think he's "Pro-Democrat, Maverick, not partisan" John McCain this week... until the Republicans fall back into favor.
 
2006-12-08 11:47:41 AM
tarrant84: Maverick

yah, a regular james garner, that one.

honestly, i don't know if those two speak more towards the inherent fallibility of politicians, or if the speak more towards the power of their party to wrangle their members votes.

when you've got mr. constitution saying 'habeas corpus? - i'll bring it back later, maybe' and mr. i-was-tortured-ya-know-that-sucked signing off on a torture bill...it has to make ya wonder.
 
2006-12-08 11:49:14 AM
heap: i welcome nothing other than a politician that speaks towards one end, and inevitably bends on it when the chips are on the table.

It would be nice if politicians took their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution seriously, but since they clearly don't, I'll have settle for them eventually ending up on the right side, somehow.

Anyway, he's not my Senator, so there's not much I can do about. Both Senators and my Rep. voted correctly on this POS, so I can't really biatch about them (not on this, anyway)
 
2006-12-08 11:51:45 AM
Lionel Mandrake: I'll have settle for them eventually ending up on the right side, somehow.

yah, don't get me wrong...i'm not saying this is a bad thing. i'm just not exactly sitting here making a laurel wreath to put on mr. specter's noggin for his efforts.
 
2006-12-08 11:58:33 AM
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...here is a law which is above the King and which even he must not break. This reaffirmation of a supreme law and its expression in a general charter is the great work of Magna Carta; and this alone justifies the respect in which men have held it.

--Winston Churchill, 1956
 
2006-12-08 12:00:16 PM
heap: i'm just not exactly sitting here making a laurel wreath to put on mr. specter's noggin for his efforts.

lol. I like the "wreath on noggin" imagery. Very festive.
 
2006-12-08 12:01:57 PM
 
2006-12-08 12:08:37 PM
What I've basically learned over the past year or so is that as soon as Freepers and their ilk start calling someone a "RINO," it means that person is starting to actually make sense.
 
2006-12-08 12:26:00 PM
Specter has really come a long way since the Anita Hill hearings.
 
2006-12-08 12:44:45 PM
Way to go out on a limb on the last week of the legislative session, Arlen.
 
2006-12-08 12:47:25 PM
Arlen's no hero, the man has the convictions of a thin piece of Kleenex. He's almost - not quite, but almost - as much of loser as McCain. Fukk em both.
 
2006-12-08 01:20:29 PM
Yeah, seeing as they all took an oath to protect The Constitution, maybe that's a good idea at this juncture.
 
2006-12-08 01:22:37 PM
Great Churchill quote, Party Boy...
 
2006-12-08 01:38:20 PM
Grrr
Thanks. And thank you, limeys
 
2006-12-08 02:40:11 PM
Only Repug I like!

The rest of them should be rounded up and shot.
 
2006-12-08 03:15:45 PM
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Hooray SPECTRE!
 
2006-12-08 03:16:04 PM
How can he restore by legislation what can't be taken away by legislation in the first place?

Fuk you, Arlen.
 
2006-12-08 03:30:10 PM
TheOther

How can he restore by legislation what can't be taken away by legislation in the first place?

Fuk you, Arlen.


QFT
 
2006-12-08 03:41:28 PM
Hell, my democrat Sen. Stabenow voted in favor of the Military Com. Act. her response to my complaint was something about how she thought it was important to start dealing with these detainees and at least this bill started some sort of process and got them out of limbo.

personally I think she was afraid of the attack ads the republicans would have come up with if she voted against it. not cool.

of course she did recently send out a letter informing here constituents that she would be seeking an investigation into the nsa wiretaps...so we've got that going for us.
 
2006-12-08 03:43:07 PM
 
2006-12-08 03:50:57 PM
Yay, Specter!
I like how this works.

Tomorrow, I'm going to go rob a bank and kidnap someone to keep as my personal love slave.

But, don't worry, next week I'll return (most of) the money and free my love slave with an apology... and everyone will applaud me and call me a hero!
Yay!
 
2006-12-08 03:51:15 PM
unexplained bacon: personally I think she was afraid of the attack ads the republicans would have come up with if she voted against it. not cool.

seemed like a lotta folks realized that this wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell in the court system, so they took the 'avoid the attack ads' route you mentioned.

it'd be nice if there was a 'have you no shame' moment for about 90% of our legislators, but i'm not holding my breath.
 
2006-12-08 03:51:49 PM
"I'm curious to see what the five new Democrats would think about giving terrorists the ability to sue our troops in federal court and having federal district court judges make wartime decisions," Graham said Wednesday.

What a douche you are Senator Graham. This has nothing to do with "suing the troops" and everything to do with "you've got the wrong guy and I shouldn't be held indefinitely".
 
2006-12-08 03:51:59 PM
flaEsq: Arlen's no hero, the man has the convictions of a thin piece of Kleenex. He's almost - not quite, but almost - as much of loser as McCain. Fukk em both.


Exactly. He's really showing a lot of intestinal fortitude by voting for the majority (GOP controlled, rubber stamp, "GWB is our king" Congress) to approve the MCA, then introducing a bill to restore habeus corpus once that very same Congress has been fired for a party that wants to restore it anyway.

And McCain: I've been saying it forever on Fark, but that guy is a fraud through and through. Some maverick he is...more like a "will pander for votes anyway I can get" maverick.
 
2006-12-08 03:52:51 PM
unexplained bacon: personally I think she was afraid of the attack ads the republicans would have come up with if she voted against it. not cool.


Exactly. What we need is a liberal (someone who stands up for civil rights) who can explain why its important to the american people. Not someone who runs and hides and tries to pretend they are "republican light".

I feel Hilary will be a "republican light" candidate which is ironic because her husband was definitely someone who could explain his views to mainstream America.

I think someone like Obama is much better he explains what he believes in then someone who runs away from it.
 
2006-12-08 03:59:47 PM
heap

seemed like a lotta folks realized that this wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell in the court system, so they took the 'avoid the attack ads' route you mentioned.

it'd be nice if there was a 'have you no shame' moment for about 90% of our legislators, but i'm not holding my breath.


I'd feel a lot better about the dems if they cleaned house a bit over the next couple elections. get rid of all the fence sitting poll watching twits.

the crap we've been through since 9/11 is a great way to spot the rats if you ask me. any dem that voted for this legislation should be put on the hot seat about it. any dem that voted for a lot of the crap that has led this country so far off track should be looking for work elsewhere. Yeah, I realize that's most of 'em.

Stabenow may never gain back my respect I'm on the look out for her replacement...levin (my other sen) is still lookin' pretty good though, with some exceptions.
 
2006-12-08 04:04:01 PM
unexplained bacon

I keep reading her name as "Stabmenow" and I think, "Well, okay..." before remembering that's a great way to get the SS at my door.
 
2006-12-08 04:04:30 PM
unexplained bacon: I'd feel a lot better about the dems if they cleaned house a bit over the next couple elections. get rid of all the fence sitting poll watching twits.

yah, but about the only way that actually happens is a presence in the primary that is more concerned with what they think is 'right vs wrong' than 'we win the seat vs the other team wins the seat'.

again, i'm not holding my breath.
 
2006-12-08 04:06:16 PM
Corvus

Exactly. What we need is a liberal (someone who stands up for civil rights) who can explain why its important to the american people. Not someone who runs and hides and tries to pretend they are "republican light".

agreed. basically they'd stand up for what's right, but they're scared. frankly if you're scared to defend the constitution get out of that seat and let's get someone in there who can do the job.

I feel Hilary will be a "republican light" candidate which is ironic because her husband was definitely someone who could explain his views to mainstream America.

yeah, I put hilary in that class too. she's whatever she thinks you want her to be. her stance on the war is a deal breaker for me.

I think someone like Obama is much better he explains what he believes in then someone who runs away from it.

he's definitely a good speaker, though I still don't know where he stands on some things...I could check him out I suppose.
 
2006-12-08 04:09:03 PM
I'm not sure why the Dems don't just go around screaming that their opponents are "soft on freedom" when accused of being "soft on terror". That's both accurate and easy to understand.
 
2006-12-08 04:12:29 PM
I think term limits or possibly limits on those cushy committee chairs would help out. too many politicians are working a strategy for their own careers rather than working for the people.
 
2006-12-08 04:24:56 PM
Specter is worthless. Same with McCain. Proven time and time again. Can't wait until the Dems are in power so I can say the same for a few of them when they take one up the arse in support of politics as a DC Beltway game. Idiots.
 
2006-12-08 04:25:54 PM
That's niiiiice, Neeek. Very.
 
2006-12-08 04:27:07 PM
Why Republicans think Americans don't deserve a fair trial just because a terrorist might also get a fair trial is beyond me.

Any of the sheep here care to spin this one?
 
2006-12-08 04:27:38 PM
unexplained bacon: I think term limits or possibly limits on those cushy committee chairs would help out.

i dunno about term limits. half inclined to think it's a good idea, half inclined to think it's a solution in search of a problem.

we have term limits on a president, but how much time did he waste campaigning just a few months ago? how much time will he waste in another 2 years? i get what you are saying about working out a strategy for their career vs working for the people, but i'm not so sure this would change anything. they'd be more concerned about the strategy for their party and who will be filling their seat from their party than working for the people.
 
2006-12-08 04:27:47 PM
Corvus

Fiengold. Time and time again, he has stood up for our rights.
 
2006-12-08 04:31:13 PM
Sometimes I think the "maverick" republicans like McCain and Specter are just playing a role given to them by their party. I mean, McCain was so opposed to torture, then he and Bush went into a room and had a big talk, and when they came out, they acted like they reached a compromise when in fact they just signed on to the same old crap they were trying to do in the first place.

McCain didn't change anything about torture, but they all acted like he took them on and won. It was just a big ruse to make it look like they weren't signing a torture bill into law. And then they had Specter do the same thing with the Habeus Corpus part of the bill.

/Is sick to stomach thinking about it.
 
2006-12-08 04:39:26 PM
I think that's exactly what they're doing, Hibno. Good cop, bad cop, but it's still the same old cop, you know.
 
2006-12-08 04:56:28 PM
heap

i get what you are saying about working out a strategy for their career vs working for the people, but i'm not so sure this would change anything. they'd be more concerned about the strategy for their party and who will be filling their seat from their party than working for the people.

yeah there's always that, I suppose.

term limits might not be the best idea. you see (along with many voters) the problem I'm hoping to address. If the voters were to become more interested in what's going on, maybe these problems would be more self correcting...so I'm back to my favorite cause, education.

an informed public is a self serving politician's worst nightmare.
 
2006-12-08 05:12:05 PM
newmoonpuppyhead: Fiengold. Time and time again, he has stood up for our rights.


Yep good point!
 
2006-12-08 05:50:40 PM
newmoonpuppyhead --
Other than free speech, you mean. I seem to recall Feingold writing legislation to muzzle advertisements before an election, and to restrict the very campaign contributions that are one of the few possible tools for matching an incumbent's or major party candidate's superior media access.
 
2006-12-08 05:59:01 PM
Neeek --
Maybe it's seen as a Pandora's box. Beat on the constitutionality and freedom drums too much, and maybe people start to ask about bipartisan support for such things as the War on Drugs.
 
2006-12-08 06:16:47 PM
Feingold rocks
 
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