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2006-12-05 01:46:15 PM
scotttothety
OK wise ass, what is you standard for intoxicated? is it actually intoxicated or just .08BAC?

Like I said by the .08BAC I am always drunk when I go out, if it is actual intoxication than I am rarely drunk when I go out.
 
2006-12-05 01:46:29 PM
Uncle Karl: In PA being intoxicated in a bar is not grounds for a public intoxication charge.

Actually the way the law is written its not in Texas either, but TABC doesn't care:

The Law

Public Intoxication Statute of Texas

49.02 Public Intoxication

"Public Intoxication" means:

A person commits an offense if the person appears in a public place while intoxicated to the degree that the person may endanger the person or another.

 
2006-12-05 01:47:24 PM
In Michigan we have a liquor control commission too. They have a monoply where they buy the booze and sell it to licensed distributors at a controlled price.

They have hearings and "adjudicate" cases too. I did a quick review of their cases and was shocked to find that over 50% of their hearings concerned NSF checks sent by retailers to buy their liqour licenses.

IMHO the LCC exists as a repository of political patronage. the local cops bring most of the sales to minors complaints.

The latest controversy involves sales of wine over the internet. They actually tried to ban it saying that kids will be able to easily obtain booze this way. News Flash: little Johnny dosen't want to wait 3-10 days for a $50 bottle of Merlot when he can buy a 12 pack of PBR with his fake ID down at the local store!

The MLCC should be abolished.
 
2006-12-05 01:48:40 PM
DUI should be a felony the first time, like carrying too much pot or having meth.

If convicted you should be jailed for years, just like felony drug busts.

You should also be ineligible for public assistance. Just like convicted drug felons.

You should also be ineligible for continued education assitance. Just like convicted drug felons.

Also no unemployment insurance for you.

Also since you abuse alcohol you should be off the insurance roles in any healthcare system including medicare/caid.

There ya go, it's what we are doing to drug felons now and hope to do in the future. And why not, the group of people drunk driving have killed more innocents than anyone else except our goverment...if it saves just one kid.
 
2006-12-05 01:49:39 PM
Uncle Karl
Socialist, I think you do not now what that word means. The Democrats is this nation much less Texas are so far right (if the center is defined globally) that you could not be more wrong.

Austin is a hippie commune with a major liberal public university in it, a homeless transvestite who gets a significant portion of the mayoral vote every year, and some of the biggest eco-freaks I have seen. Great place to visit, and definately about as far right as San Francisco. But, that isn't possible, everyone from Texas must fit your stereotypes. Also, everyone in New York is a jew, all Muslims are Terrorists, and all Canadians play hockey and eat poutine.


In PA being intoxicated in a bar is not grounds for a public intoxication charge.


Isn't everyone in PA Amish? (Since apparently all states must be homogenous entities by your logic). Does Ben Roethlisberger wear his helmut while riding on the horse and buggy?

If there is a smoking ban in PA then they do indeed consider private property public in some instances, if not you are lucky to not have a neo-nazi alcohol enforcement tribunal. Not so much lucky to live in PA...

and so are you

And you are a stereotypical bigot. And Marxists dont like guns
 
2006-12-05 01:50:13 PM
h3lx
steamingpile The fact that we have people driving around with 5 goddamn priors is complete bullshiat. You have no farking clue what I'm talking about.


And your plan who stop this how? Dumbass.

lilplatinum
1) TABC is based in Austin, in travis county, which is heavily democratic (leaning towards socialist)


Wait, Travis County is now running the Texas state government? Sweet!

You, are a moran.

3Horn
 
2006-12-05 01:51:13 PM
hermeneutic

Perhaps you'd like to explain that to his family.

Well, let's take a look at the article in your link...

First Paragraph:

One week after he slammed his Nissan Sentra into a car waiting at a stoplight, killing a U.S. Marine and his female passenger, Eduardo Raul Morales-Soriano, whose blood alcohol level was measured at .32 - four times the legal level in Maryland for intoxication - has been identified as an illegal immigrant by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office in Baltimore.

But wait, it gets worse.

It wasn't Morales-Soriano's first auto accident and it wasn't the first time police had dealt with the landscaper when alcohol was apparently involved.

Although Maryland law requires an automatic 120-day forfeiture of a drivers license for refusing the test, Morales-Soriano's license was not suspended after the accident.


So, ICE dropped the ball, the police dropped the ball, the prosecutors dropped the ball, the judge dropped the ball, and the bartender (presumably, though the article doesn't explain where the guy got drunk) dropped the ball.

Yet you claim: They perform a legitimate public service.

Which service would that be?
 
2006-12-05 01:53:33 PM
h3lx: The fact that we have people driving around with 5 goddamn priors is complete bullshiat. You have no farking clue what I'm talking about.

Your suggestions are even more bullshiat, however.
 
2006-12-05 01:56:31 PM
3horn [TotalFark]

Wait, Travis County is now running the Texas state government? Sweet!

You, are a moran.


I never said that, he made a claim that Texas is all Bush voting rednecks, I simply said the home of the TABC is in the Blue capital of Texas..
 
2006-12-05 01:56:49 PM
Still beaming with glee that my only greenlight became a cliche.

PS Not bragging
PPS Well, maybe a little
PPPS Lives in Fort Worth, hopes TABC DIAF
 
2006-12-05 01:57:55 PM
3horn [TotalFark]
You, are a moran.

You should learn how to properly use a comma.
 
2006-12-05 01:58:58 PM
lilplatinum
Austin is a hippie commune with a major liberal public university in it, a homeless transvestite who gets a significant portion of the mayoral vote every year, and some of the biggest eco-freaks I have seen.


Oh leave Leslie out of this, he got a little over 1000 voters (less than %2 of the total), hardly "significant.

And calling UT a "major liberal public university" is more than a little disengenouous, "liberal arts" does not equal "Liberal", and compared to A&M, most schools would look "liberal".

And Marxists dont like guns

Sure they do! How can you have Marxist rebels without guns? Revolution is a bit difficult without any way to fight back.

3Horn
 
2006-12-05 01:59:11 PM
H3lx
Sir, I believe you, like most of the country, hate the current administrations take on civil liberties, no? Well then, why the fark do you not see the Mexican Hat Dance that MADD and other anti-drunk driving groups have done on civil liberties and the right to privacy? For example, wire taps are similar in nature to breath analysis tests that are (in most states) mandatory and punishable by a straight ticket to jail for the evening. In both cases you have no say in whether or not your privacy should be violated. Secondly, look at sobriety check points, again complete disdain for privacy of the person. Check points give cops an unnecessary opportunity to look in your car and possibly ticket your for other minor offenses they may not have found otherwise.

MADD has turned anyone who drives and enjoys a glass of wine with a fine meal into an enemy combatant. Is this the society you want? All of our liberties taken away until we are all criminals unless we can prove otherwise?

And if you are going to offer the counter argument that "this saves lives and is necessary" well your press secretary Tony Snow already told me your justifications to revoking my civil liberties during the last White House Press Briefing.

I know you will say they are different but I strongly disagree and say they are the same. You are trying to justify the punishment for DUI's in the same manner that people try to justify the Death Penalty as a deterrent. That is stupid.

People like you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that laws make crimes and crimes will ALWAYS be committed. There is NO WAY to decrease crime by raising the amount of things that are crimes. This is the backasswards logic that drives MADD.

Please, H3lx think for yourself and try and think out the consequences more before you open your stupid mouth. Puritanical farkers like you who are slowly legislating prohibition make me sick.

/Cheers!
 
2006-12-05 02:00:26 PM
lilplatinum
Actually Marxists find that an armed proletariat is necessary for the revolution. So if you are going to use a wide brush use the right paint.

Also I never claimed that there were not socialists in Austin just that the democrats in it were not socialists. Also I have been to Austin it is not a hippie commune. The people I saw worked for money. And so what if a bum gets a few votes so does mickey mouse.

There is not a smoking ban in PA, in NY were I live there is and I think it sucks.

/if you would like to understand my political views I suggest you read up on anarcho-communism.
 
2006-12-05 02:03:17 PM
 
2006-12-05 02:03:53 PM
lilplatinum
I never claimed all of Texas was bush voters. My comments were directed at bush voters in Texas, a subset of residents of Texas. This is because they already enjoyed giving up so many civil liberties what is one more?
 
2006-12-05 02:04:11 PM
3HORN

Leslie got almost 8% of the vote in 2000, I would consider that considerible for a homoless crossdresser.

Are you seriously contending that Texas is a conservative campus (Or that it is merely a liberal arts school)? Or are you claiming that Austin is not a liberal city? Thats all my original point was, and it wasn't even in a derogatory fashion.

Sure they do! How can you have Marxist rebels without guns? Revolution is a bit difficult without any way to fight back.

Well they like guns until they win, in which case they generally frown upon the newly conquered populace having a way to fight back against them.
 
2006-12-05 02:05:04 PM
Uncle Karl

I never claimed all of Texas was bush voters. My comments were directed at bush voters in Texas, a subset of residents of Texas. This is because they already enjoyed giving up so many civil liberties what is one more?


Fair enough, I'm hung over and pissy, so I apologize for being a dick.
 
2006-12-05 02:05:31 PM
Tracer Bullet: Sir, I believe you, like most of the country, hate the current administrations take on civil liberties, no? Well then, why the fark do you not see the Mexican Hat Dance that MADD and other anti-drunk driving groups have done on civil liberties and the right to privacy? For example, wire taps are similar in nature to breath analysis tests that are (in most states) mandatory and punishable by a straight ticket to jail for the evening. In both cases you have no say in whether or not your privacy should be violated. Secondly, look at sobriety check points, again complete disdain for privacy of the person. Check points give cops an unnecessary opportunity to look in your car and possibly ticket your for other minor offenses they may not have found otherwise.

MADD has turned anyone who drives and enjoys a glass of wine with a fine meal into an enemy combatant. Is this the society you want? All of our liberties taken away until we are all criminals unless we can prove otherwise?

And if you are going to offer the counter argument that "this saves lives and is necessary" well your press secretary Tony Snow already told me your justifications to revoking my civil liberties during the last White House Press Briefing.

I know you will say they are different but I strongly disagree and say they are the same. You are trying to justify the punishment for DUI's in the same manner that people try to justify the Death Penalty as a deterrent. That is stupid.

People like you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that laws make crimes and crimes will ALWAYS be committed. There is NO WAY to decrease crime by raising the amount of things that are crimes. This is the backasswards logic that drives MADD.

Please, H3lx think for yourself and try and think out the consequences more before you open your stupid mouth. Puritanical farkers like you who are slowly legislating prohibition make me sick.

/Cheers!


Amen sir

I am moderate and hate right wing as much as left whackos but MADD is out of control.
 
2006-12-05 02:05:42 PM
It's all a matter of glorified do-gooders that don't want to let idea of prohibition die. Outlawing it didn't work, so now they want to bigfist where and how and make it such a pain in the ass that you won't want to, or are afraid to drink.


As far as just a DUI being attempted manslaughter.. no.

DUI equalling Public Endangerment, maybe.
 
2006-12-05 02:07:06 PM
lilplatinum
8% that is considered a considerable portion in Texas? Your public schools must suck.

UT is not a liberal campus. I have visited it.

Marxists cannot conquer a place, if they do they are not Marxists. Read some Marx before you make statements about his theories. But in short the crux of it is that the uprising must come from within.
 
2006-12-05 02:08:13 PM
lilplatinum: 1) TABC is based in Austin, in travis county, which is heavily democratic (leaning towards socialist)

That sound you just heard is Rush Limbaugh having a massive brain fart/viagra-fueled orgasm... b-b-b-b-but Travis County...
 
2006-12-05 02:08:40 PM
My dad runs a bar and grill in Texarkana, and because of the TABC asshats, he changed locations years ago to get over on the Arkansas side of state line ave.

He is much happier now that he doesn't have to deal with a new TABC agent every two weeks. Those jizz monkies would come in the bar with a big head, a badge, and Wyatt Earp syndrome. Most of these smacktard TABC agents would take their own mother to jail if the situation arose.
 
2006-12-05 02:09:50 PM
Uncle Karl



h3lx
Or just ban it all together.
You want to ban drinking or driving? Are you brain damaged or a troll?

Brain damaged troll I think...
 
2006-12-05 02:13:37 PM
Senile Violence
You are probably correct.
 
2006-12-05 02:15:00 PM
lilplatinum:
Texas law states that if you have a liquor license and are open to the general public, you are considered a public place.

Yet you have to join a "private club" to be served alcoholic beverages in a Texas bar.
 
2006-12-05 02:15:43 PM
Uncle Karl
8% that is considered a considerable portion in Texas? Your public schools must suck.

8% is not a considerable portion of a popular vote for a homeless person in PA? Damn, and I thought our candidates suck.

UT is not a liberal campus. I have visited it.

Really? Could have suprsied me.. Im not even conservative and I found it rather liberal.

Marxists cannot conquer a place, if they do they are not Marxists. Read some Marx before you make statements about his theories. But in short the crux of it is that the uprising must come from within.

Semantics. If a revolution overthrows a government they are conquerers, just internal rather than external.

I am curious - how can one be a Marxist and an Anarcho Communist(is that how you catagorize an individual?). Doesn't Marxism imply a state and Anarcho Communism not have a state? I admit my very little reading on the subjects was quite some time ago, so I may be wrong in the catagorization.
 
2006-12-05 02:16:24 PM
Kar98
Yet you have to join a "private club" to be served alcoholic beverages in a Texas bar.

Only in some counties.. Not sure how they justify that, but its the TABC, not like they need justification.
 
2006-12-05 02:17:05 PM
Majik_Smoke:
My dad runs a bar and grill in Texarkana

E-mail me the address please. I'll drive 75 farking miles if that means I can avoid the TABGestapo and throw a Farker some biz.
 
2006-12-05 02:19:01 PM
lilplatinum
Read Marx. No really even if you think Marxism is crap, I read Adam Smith and I hate capitalism. You will learn a lot.

The end of the whole Marxist thing basically is the dissolution of the state.

Also specifically anarcho-communism is not true Marxism, but few people know what anarcho-communism is so I chose to put Marxism in my profile.
 
2006-12-05 02:21:57 PM
lilplatinum
In the town I lived in Tony the Tiger one year received 20someodd percent of the vote for mayor. Yes, our candidates did suck that bad that year.

UT liberal? Maybe in comparison to Texas, but come visit the private university I attended in NY and you will see liberal.
 
2006-12-05 02:25:01 PM
ShadowPenguin: 1 Long Island with dinner.

I really hope I missed the sarcasm...

A long island has like 4-5 shots in it. Assuming a heavy pour, and a 2 hour dinner, and 150 pound man, your blood alcohol would be above .08 (~.09). A one hour dinner would have you at .10. So, yeah, your friend was legally drunk.

I know I wouldn't say "He only had 4-5 beers with his dinner, officer!"...
 
2006-12-05 02:28:53 PM
If you're driving around and you've been drinking, chances are you're going to make it home without incident. But out of 20 times, you're probably going to kill someone. If lowering the BAC saves 1 life, it's worth it. If some people are financially depleted in the process because they lack better judgement and were not physically drunk but had been drinking, then perhaps next time they'll weigh the risks a little better and decide that a $30 Taxi ride is the best option.

It just makes good sense. Unfortunately, alcohol impairs these decisions. Asshats are goign to drive drunk, will continue to kill, apologists will lobby for looser restrictions and society will continue to accept a level of alcohol related death. The state isn't going to release that much revenue over a few deaths...

I've never had a DUI/ DWI, never will. KuleKat put it a little more eloquently than I. If you fark up, you get hammered, no slap on the wrist. You get the full meal deal right out the chute.

I'm for the breathalizers, they're a part of the deal. If they snag a sample of my DNA while they're at it to run against the kiddie farker database, then so be it, I've nothing to hide. if they want to listen in on my phone conversations to find out if I plan on blowing shiat up, I'm OK with that too as long as they don't tell me about. I am of the opinion MADD hasn't done enough and anything they do accomplish is too little too late.
 
2006-12-05 02:29:02 PM
The TABC is bullshiat. I went to Goodfellow AFB for training and down there, and I know guys who got read their rights at the damn bar by TABC agents.

I live in Omaha now, and the law has been changed to enforce a $10,000 fine and 1 year in jail for the first DUI. Since there is a military base the cops target us constantly. If I were to ever receive a DUI it would ruin my military career. It wouldn't matter if I just blew a .08 and was driving too fast down a deserted road. I'd lose a stripe, pay an huge fine, have my pay cut, face the civilian penalties and then turn around and face the military ones. Talk about being DVDA'd.

It's at the point where any time we as a group decide to go have fun, you either have 1 beer or you make damn sure someone is acting DD and isn't drinking at all. Sure it's not bad because we know one of us can drive safely, but what sucks about it is that we are doing this out of fear of reprisal and punishment, and not because it's the right thing to do.
 
2006-12-05 02:33:12 PM
steamingpile: There are already outrageous fines on it and even jail time for people who did nothing but have 2 glasses of wine at dinner. As long as the limit is .08 you could pull over 99% of the cars coming out of restaurants and they would be legally drunk.

Isn't that just a little exaggeration? I mean, by all the blood alcohol calculators I've used, even if you weigh 100 pounds, you can still have 3 5oz glasses of wine or 3-4 beers with a 1 hour dinner and still be under .08. If one has two "glasses" of wine and are drunk, one was not being truthful about the amount of alcohol one consumed.
 
2006-12-05 02:34:42 PM
Tracer Bullet

H3lx
Sir, I believe you, like most of the country, hate the current administrations take on civil liberties, no? Well then, why the fark do you not see the Mexican Hat Dance that MADD and other anti-drunk driving groups have done on civil liberties and the right to privacy? For example, wire taps are similar in nature to breath analysis tests that are (in most states) mandatory and punishable by a straight ticket to jail for the evening. In both cases you have no say in whether or not your privacy should be violated. Secondly, look at sobriety check points, again complete disdain for privacy of the person. Check points give cops an unnecessary opportunity to look in your car and possibly ticket your for other minor offenses they may not have found otherwise.

MADD has turned anyone who drives and enjoys a glass of wine with a fine meal into an enemy combatant. Is this the society you want? All of our liberties taken away until we are all criminals unless we can prove otherwise?

And if you are going to offer the counter argument that "this saves lives and is necessary" well your press secretary Tony Snow already told me your justifications to revoking my civil liberties during the last White House Press Briefing.

I know you will say they are different but I strongly disagree and say they are the same. You are trying to justify the punishment for DUI's in the same manner that people try to justify the Death Penalty as a deterrent. That is stupid.

People like you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize that laws make crimes and crimes will ALWAYS be committed. There is NO WAY to decrease crime by raising the amount of things that are crimes. This is the backasswards logic that drives MADD.

Please, H3lx think for yourself and try and think out the consequences more before you open your stupid mouth. Puritanical farkers like you who are slowly legislating prohibition make me sick.

/Cheers!

Amen to that... I live in Cancun, and just reading the stories and comments here make me not want to drink a single beer on my next visit to USA... I mean, DUI for drinking in a bar?? WTF
 
2006-12-05 02:36:00 PM
h3lx: I'm for the breathalizers, they're a part of the deal. If they snag a sample of my DNA while they're at it to run against the kiddie farker database, then so be it, I've nothing to hide. if they want to listen in on my phone conversations to find out if I plan on blowing shiat up, I'm OK with that too as long as they don't tell me about. I am of the opinion MADD hasn't done enough and anything they do accomplish is too little too late.

Dude, your views on acceptable powers of government over its people suck ass. I hope you, like most americans, don't vote.
 
2006-12-05 02:37:35 PM
I'm for the breathalizers, they're a part of the deal. If they snag a sample of my DNA while they're at it to run against the kiddie farker database, then so be it, I've nothing to hide. if they want to listen in on my phone conversations to find out if I plan on blowing shiat up, I'm OK with that too as long as they don't tell me about. I am of the opinion MADD hasn't done enough and anything they do accomplish is too little too late.

Awesome idea. Let's just have the whole society live in true, undisguised fear. No more of the media or government doling out half-assed stories or ordinances to make us scared - fark that! Let's just have a no kidding police state and know what real fear is like!!
 
2006-12-05 02:37:42 PM
Submitter here (my first green-light: hooray!). The sunset committee is soliciting comments from the public next Tuesday and Wednesday on TABC, starting at 9am. The sunset committee already has a recommendations report, which can be seen here: http://www.sunset.state.tx.us/80.htm (Scroll down slightly on the page.)

One of the huge recommendations is that the laws that govern the TABC be updated from the 1930s into the 21st century. We might not be able to get rid of the TABC, but limiting their scope would do everybody a whole lot of good. We need to let the legislature know, one way or another, that we support updating those laws.

The second thing I think people need to comment on is not only that the TABC decided to embark on "Operation Last Call", but that the methods they used were dubious at best. Stories abounded of folks being arrested for just being near bars, for taking cabs home, for being in hotels. What's really amazing is that because they can't force you to take a breathlyzer if you're not driving, TABC officers arrested anybody they felt like using their "judgment". If I trip and fall on the street, it's more likely that I'm clumsy than drunk. But TABC officers only see drunks wherever they go.
 
2006-12-05 02:38:12 PM
h3lx

Wow. Just wow. You're a nutter.
 
2006-12-05 02:40:22 PM
War on Booze

Here's an article about the TABC if interested.
 
2006-12-05 02:40:43 PM
Friend of mine was piss drunk yelling at a cop on bar property, cop said that he couldn't do anything till he stepped onto the sidewalk. Good ol' NY...

/Anyone loan me a bottle opener for a sec?
 
2006-12-05 02:42:42 PM
As much as some of you hate to admit it, Texas could be the model representative of all of America. Our cultural diversity and wide range of topography provides most every experience that is avilable in the rest of the continental US. I admit, it is little wonder that there is so much speculation by outsiders as to the genuine Texas mentality, what with the media's portrayal of our citizens. We, in fact, are responsible for some of the bad press we receive (baby killing moms, "Don't Mess With Texas" campaign, Bush claiming to be from here, & touching Oklahoma shudder), but honestly, we have been given a bad rap. There really is no way to categorize the diverity of our citizens. We have every nationality that other states have, we have great universities, hospitals, and industry. We are pioneers in the arts and sciences. Our metropolitan cities are well known and widely visited. Our small-town folk are the friendliest you have ever met and, on rural roads, you will even get a few unsolicited waves. Sure, our cops can be dicks and our most outspoken make us all look ignorant, but that is the American way, after all. Texas...it is Americana at its finest.
 
2006-12-05 02:43:57 PM
Just for this thread I am going to have a bit of the following today:

Jameson's Irish whiskey
Celtic Crossing Liqueur
Sierra Nevada Stout
Leinenkugel's Creamy Dark Lager

Oh and I'm gonna blast, "Blind in Texas," by WASP.
 
2006-12-05 02:46:59 PM
Nobody said that Texas sucks. If there's anything I hate about Texas, it's these two right here: TABC, and I have recounted my colleague's experiences with them; and the humidity, which is a biatch when you're being tested on a 1.5 mile run that you have to do at 4 in the morning because the heat is so bad in August.

By the way why didn't you elect Kinky?
 
2006-12-05 02:47:14 PM
h3lx

I'd rather take my chances with drunks behind the wheel and "terrorists" then live in the society you describe.
 
2006-12-05 02:47:34 PM
h3lx: But out of 20 times, you're probably going to kill someone

?
 
2006-12-05 02:49:21 PM
verbaltoxin: By the way why didn't you elect Kinky?

I voted for him. My Governor is a Jewish Cowboy.
 
2006-12-05 02:49:29 PM
Mirrorz: No, I meant "who cares what I have to say?"

Ohhhh. Yeah, you're right. Nobody.
 
2006-12-05 02:50:09 PM
verbaltoxin: By the way why didn't you elect Kinky?

I tried.
 
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