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(Denver Post)   The "gender gap" between men's and women's wages has shrunk -- not because women's incomes have risen, but because men's have decreased   (denverpost.com) divider line 267
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2006-12-04 10:50:33 AM
John Wilson of Los Angeles, meanwhile, is still trying to find a job that pays as much as he earned 12 years ago. Laid off in 1994 from a software programming job that paid $50,000 a year with full health benefits, Wilson went to work as a security officer earning minimum wage.

Now he works at the Lantana Media Campus in Santa Monica, providing security for celebrities such as Ben Affleck and Cameron Diaz. He has worked his way up to $12.25 an hour - about half his programmer pay


Something tells me this guy wasn't much of a programmer.
 
2006-12-04 10:51:37 AM
A software engineer that hasn't found a new gig in 12 years? What was his specialty, Atari BASIC?
 
2006-12-04 10:55:31 AM
I believe women's wages should be raised to match the rising costs of vaccuum cleaners and aprons.
It's only fair.
 
2006-12-04 11:03:03 AM
"I'll make sure you never code again in this town, Johnny boy!"
 
2006-12-04 11:03:09 AM
Men's wages have shrunk? Not for CEOs.
 
2006-12-04 11:03:26 AM
Thank you very much ladies
 
2006-12-04 11:17:19 AM
It's the American solution to every problem with lagging performance. Rather than helping those that lag get to the level of the bar, they just lower the bar to their level.
 
2006-12-04 11:37:57 AM
No Obvious tag on this?
 
2006-12-04 12:15:21 PM
Now he works at the Lantana Media Campus in Santa Monica, providing security for celebrities such as Ben Affleck and Cameron Diaz. He has worked his way up to $12.25 an hour

Wait, people that have to babysit these celebrities are only making $12.25/hr? Wow.
 
2006-12-04 01:34:25 PM
This just reflects the elasticity of the women's bathroom market. Women have traditionally made less than men in order to subsidize the couches, paintings, massages, and other amenities found exclusively in women's bathrooms. The closing of the gap reflects cost reductions in these luxury items.
 
2006-12-04 01:53:06 PM
There is no gender gap in wages. Maybe never has been.
 
2006-12-04 01:54:48 PM
"At least the war on the middle class is going well."
 
2006-12-04 01:55:12 PM
You've come a long way baby.
 
2006-12-04 01:55:33 PM
Pocket Ninja: John Wilson of Los Angeles, meanwhile, is still trying to find a job that pays as much as he earned 12 years ago. Laid off in 1994 from a software programming job that paid $50,000 a year with full health benefits, Wilson went to work as a security officer earning minimum wage.

Now he works at the Lantana Media Campus in Santa Monica, providing security for celebrities such as Ben Affleck and Cameron Diaz. He has worked his way up to $12.25 an hour - about half his programmer pay

Something tells me this guy wasn't much of a programmer.


No kidding. As one who works around LA, even an intern in school with little experience but working knowledge of a language can make more then that by far.
 
2006-12-04 01:55:58 PM
I've never met a job I couldn't tackle with PDP-1 assembly.
 
2006-12-04 01:56:19 PM
Paedophile_Deluxe: This just reflects the elasticity of the women's bathroom market. Women have traditionally made less than men in order to subsidize the couches, paintings, massages, and other amenities found exclusively in women's bathrooms. The closing of the gap reflects cost reductions in these luxury items.

Brilliant.
 
2006-12-04 01:57:24 PM
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2006-12-04 01:57:26 PM
shrinkage
 
2006-12-04 01:57:29 PM
It is near impossible to determine whether men and women truly have different salaries for the same job based SOLELY on gender. There are numerous variables for which one must control -- education level, prior experience, total hours worked and work performace, among many others -- in order to isolate gender as the only variable.

Feminists: show we a peer-reviewed study that incorporates all of these, and then I may believe the rhetoric.
 
2006-12-04 01:57:50 PM
digitalbetty: Wait, people that have to babysit these celebrities are only making $12.25/hr? Wow.

No, it said celebrities LIKE Ben Affleck and Cameron Diaz. Not that those two have actually walked in the door of the place.
 
2006-12-04 01:58:12 PM
So? Have a religious conversion and get up and preach on TV.

Pays $100K+

\\\easier than working.
 
2006-12-04 01:58:17 PM
Next thing you know, they'll want TWO votes.
 
2006-12-04 02:00:07 PM
I am finding John Wilson of Los Angeles' story a little hard to swallow. Our temps do better than that here if they know excel.
 
2006-12-04 02:00:32 PM
If you don't mind the abuse, you can make $500 or so a day as an airport beggar, all you need to do is start your own bullsh*t church.

That's the problem in America: People are too lazy to beg.
 
2006-12-04 02:00:48 PM
Women get paid 18.3% less than men, but have 45% more disposable income - how does that work?
 
2006-12-04 02:04:03 PM
There is no gender gap between men and women if the women do not have children. For some reason when broads pop out a baby, take a year off work and leave work every day at 2:30 they are less valuable.
 
2006-12-04 02:04:28 PM
Thanks a lot ladies.

/flame on
 
2006-12-04 02:04:42 PM
trippdogg: Women get paid 18.3% less than men, but have 45% more disposable income - how does that work?

"Nobody ever says, 'Hey, Daddy, thanks for knocking out the rent.'

'Hey, Daddy, I sure love this hot water.'

'Hey, Daddy, this is easy to read with all this light.'"

- Chris Rock
 
2006-12-04 02:05:38 PM
Outtaphase What was his specialty, Atari BASIC?

Bite me! That was my first programming language!

It's sad to say I also learned COBOL. I think the next language I'll learn is Fortran.
 
2006-12-04 02:06:49 PM
bostonguy: It is near impossible to determine whether men and women truly have different salaries for the same job based SOLELY on gender.

Not to mention, what would qualify as a gender based cause? If women are less likely to counter an offer or approach an employer about a raise, would that mean their salary was lower because of their gender?
 
2006-12-04 02:07:56 PM
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Til there are no rich no more

There's a reason hippies are known as "smelly", "filthy", or "long-haired" instead of "wise", "thoughtful", or "fluent in English".
 
2006-12-04 02:08:03 PM
if anyone thinks this is new, it's not, it's been a consistent trend since the 90s, and probably even further back. Wages (from what I've read) hit their peak during the 70s, and have stagnated or retreated since, in small numbers.
 
2006-12-04 02:09:05 PM
I look forward to the day when "programmers" stop biatching about how much they get paid. You were overvalued, now you're paid about right, if at all. You can't do anything the average non-English speaking Indian peasant can't do, evidently.
 
2006-12-04 02:09:20 PM
brown25: Not to mention, what would qualify as a gender based cause? If women are less likely to counter an offer or approach an employer about a raise, would that mean their salary was lower because of their gender?

Very valid questions.

Also, since women have smaller brains, would that mean they get paid less because of their gender?

Or since women spend all day talking about shoes and clothing rather than working, would that mean they get fired because of their gender??

/sarcasm
 
2006-12-04 02:10:04 PM
Reading stuff like this really gets me psyched to go and graduate grad school and head into the business world to make the big bucks....
 
2006-12-04 02:10:15 PM
olddinosaur

aint that the truth. I remember seeing an interview with a pimp who had givien up pimpin. He said that after he quit he didnt really want to work so he had to decide between being a band leader or a preacher
 
2006-12-04 02:10:36 PM
myspace-720.vo.llnwd.net

Right?
 
2006-12-04 02:10:52 PM
Great ... another excuse for women to tell us to stop watching the game, get off our lazy asses and get a *another* job ...

/have a job already
//make more than the GF
///priming up for a new flat screen TV
 
2006-12-04 02:11:17 PM
Shrinkage?

www.mikeandjen.cc
 
2006-12-04 02:11:48 PM
Gawd, how much flame bait has to get thrown out here before the flame war starts? I don't have all day, feminists.
 
2006-12-04 02:11:48 PM
trippdogg

Women get paid 18.3% less than men, but have 45% more disposable income - how does that work?

Because women are whores.
 
2006-12-04 02:12:01 PM
As a white, male protestant in the 24-40 age bracket, I'm pissed that I missed my opportunity to really score big by winning the genetic lottery. Hell, my neighbours frown at me just because I happen to have a couple of slaves.
 
2006-12-04 02:12:38 PM
brown25:

I think men may be more willing to ask for a raise.

Most of my girl friends are afraid to ask for a raise, but assume one will be given eventually (at many companies that is true, but at many it is not)

they know they deserve more, their bosses know they deserve more, but their bosses also know they dont have to give the raise either so why should they.
 
2006-12-04 02:13:09 PM
Paedophile_Deluxe: This just reflects the elasticity of the women's bathroom market. Women have traditionally made less than men in order to subsidize the couches, paintings, massages, and other amenities found exclusively in women's bathrooms. The closing of the gap reflects cost reductions in these luxury items.

I thought I was the only one who was aware that men have been getting screwed as far as bathrooms go. Girls always try to justify it:

"Yeah, well you guys get urinals!"

But I'd gladly give up the urinals for some of the luxuries girls enjoy. Hell, the sink really doubles as a urinal. Is there any major difference?

Anyway, thank you for bringing this extremely important and sensitive issue to the public's attention.
 
2006-12-04 02:13:15 PM
And the trees were all kept equal.

/with hatchet
//axe
///and saw.
 
2006-12-04 02:13:24 PM
"graduate grad school and head into the business world to make the big bucks...."

i1.tinypic.com
 
2006-12-04 02:14:12 PM
Pocket Ninja

John Wilson of Los Angeles, meanwhile, is still trying to find a job that pays as much as he earned 12 years ago. Laid off in 1994 from a software programming job that paid $50,000 a year with full health benefits, Wilson went to work as a security officer earning minimum wage.

Now he works at the Lantana Media Campus in Santa Monica, providing security for celebrities such as Ben Affleck and Cameron Diaz. He has worked his way up to $12.25 an hour - about half his programmer pay

Something tells me this guy wasn't much of a programmer.


People naturally presume that their peak moments are actually representative of who they 'really are' just as they imagine that what they earn in life will automatically increase over time...

The reality is often painful.
 
2006-12-04 02:15:01 PM
I think Bad Religion has some of the best lines concerning this...

Now everybody's equal
just don't measure it
 
2006-12-04 02:15:55 PM
If a woman makes less than a man for the same amount of work, then why isn't every Fortune 500 company staffed completely by females? If you can get the same amount of work for less money, then what's holding companies back from doing so?

Wait, you mean to tell me that cramps and babies and such get in the way of having a career? You mean to tell me that the woman that shows up at 9:30 after dropping off her broken condom products at school and then leaves at 2:30 to pick up the demonspawn should get paid the same as a man that goes 8:00 to 5:00? Is that what you're telling me?
 
2006-12-04 02:16:24 PM
If more women work, doesn't that change the ratio of qualified workers to overall consumers? And isn't it natural that wages overall would tend to drop over time, since labour pool growth would outstrip economic growth?

I know things have changed. My wife and I both have to work to maintain a lifestyle that my parents could have on one salary. But it's worth it, to me, for my wife and other women of our generation to be able to contribute to the workforce.
 
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