or maybe this is just another bump in the road of the singularity of nature and reason

Howie_Feltersnatch:....A poll carried out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group...

The inevitability of CAIR being labeled as a terrorist group sympathizer in 3.....2.....1....

ugh why does this thread keep repeating itself.

I never learned to read =( (except for your comment)

Ahab, The Arab

Let me tell you 'bout Ahab The Arab
The Sheik of the burning sand
He had emeralds and rubies just dripping off 'a him
And a ring on every finger of his hands

He wore a big ol' turban wrapped around his head
And a scimitar by his side
And every evening about midnight
He'd jump on his camel named Clyde...and ride

Spoken

Silently through the night to the sultan's tent where he would secretly meet up with Fatima of the Seven Veils, swingingest grade "A" number one U.S. choice dancer in the Sultan's whole harem, 'cause, heh, him and her had a thing going. You know, and they'd been carrying on for some time now behind the Sultan's back and you could hear him talk to his camel as he rode out across the dunes, his voice would cut through the still night desert air and he'd say (imitate Arabian speech) which is arabic for, "stop, Clyde!" and Clyde would say, (imitate camel voice). Which is camel for, "What the heck did he say anyway?"

Well....

He brought that camel to a screeching halt
At the rear of Fatima's tent jumped off Clyde,
Snuck around the corner and into the tent he went
There he saw Fatima laying on a Zebra skin rug
Wearing rings on her fingers and bells on her toes
And a bone in her nose ho, ho.

Spoken

There she was friends lying there in all her radiant beauty. Eating on a raisin, grape, apricot, pomegranate, bowl of chitterlings, two bananas, three Hershey bars, sipping on a "R C" Co-Cola listening to her transistor, watching the Grand Ole Opry on the tube reading the Mad magazine while she sung, "Does your chewing gum lose it's flavor?" and Ahab walked up to her and he said, (imitate Arabian speech) which is arabic for, "Let's twist again like we did last summer, baby." (laughter) You know what I mean! Whew! She looked up at him from off the rug, give him one of the sly looks, she said, (coy, girlish laugh) "Crazy baby".

'Round and around and around and around...etc.

And that's the story 'bout Ahab the Arab
The Sheik of the Burnin' sand
Ahab the Arab
The swinging Sheik of the burnin' sand

Tatsuma

There is a threat coming from a certain (albeit generally small) segment of the Muslim population worldwide. There were no attacks of Jews on Germany yet there are attacks of Muslims on America...

Yeah, but the Jews were taking everyone's money.

It's common sense to take a group of muslims who sit in a terrorist pattern on a flight with one way tickets.

Seems to me that if the 6 Imams were planning to bring down that plane, they wouldn't have drawn attention to themselves early on.

Tatsuma: Because people skip their history classes?

I'm not sure classes would help.

Sometimes I think the human species is doomed to be violent, hateful, and stupid.

/still can't get my head around the fact that WWII started a mere 20-odd years after everyone went through WWI

this thread:

Tatsuma: There is a threat coming from a certain (albeit generally small) segment of the Muslim population worldwide. There were no attacks of Jews on Germany yet there are attacks of Muslims on America...

We know that now.

At the time, the Germans had been convinced that the Jews were trying to destroy their way of life.

As it stands now, it seems that about 39% of Americans have been convinced that the Muslims are trying to destroy our way of life.

I really don't like reading that. People in large groups get very dumb and very dangerous when they get scared.

dvedis

Because we keep forgetting?

Tatsuma: How the fark do you think they could access non-traceable lines or email accounts, exactly? We're not talking evil KGB superplot, we're talking about people planning this in badly ventilated appartments.

Who says they have to use landlines, wireless, and emails? Apparently, they are all hiding in systems of caves. Obviously they are very patient, as 9/11 took at least 5 years of preparation. They could wire money to future hijackers in other countries before they send them over here. Although if any of them are on the watchlist, they won't be monitored only in America. Perhaps they're waiting for some new young blood that aren't on any lists yet.

thejoyofpi: /still can't get my head around the fact that WWII started a mere 20-odd years after everyone went through WWI

Well it is pretty easy to see how it happend. The germans were still pissed about the sanctions, hell, I would've been.
and it got so big because for the first years of the the german invasion the allies sat back and watched 'cause they didn't want another war.

Tatsuma: If you're afraid of the rise of Fascism and anti-muslim governments, start being worried about Europe, not America

Good point. No matter how jingoistic we get, the American mainstream has a tendency to moderate and correct itself historically, instead of following ideologues for very long.

Baggins wrote: I see Muslims and Christians on a collision course with each other and think it will happen in the next 10-20 years as the Muslim communities in Europe and elsewhere try to exert more control and demand more rights for themselves.

Europe is Christian? I'm sorry - did I set my watch incorrectly? Is it 1630 or 2006? Because in 2006 Europe is a mostly secular (let me just say it so it's clear to you: ATHEISTIC) place where religion, especially the Christian one, is rapidly dying away with the old as younger generations learn to live without the god myth.

Im sure that guy Rockdrummer or whatever is name is was one of the callers.

Bomb Head Mohammed: as younger generations learn to live without the god myth belief.

Just because you don't believe it does not mean it is a myth, asshat.

Tatsuma
It's common sense to take a group of muslims who sit in a terrorist pattern on a flight with one way tickets


If they're sitting in the wrong seats then you ask them to move which would be the same remedy for any non-brown person boarding an aircraft.

If a resident's religious beliefs conflict with the tenets of the Constitution they should be strongly encouraged to live elsewhere. If you don't like the club rules then don't join the club.

/Fark Allah/
//and his prophet//

thats farked up

aestiva: If a resident's religious beliefs conflict with the tenets of the Constitution they should be strongly encouraged to live elsewhere. If you don't like the club rules then don't join the club.

What Islamic beliefs conflict with your constitution?

Tatsuma

I seem to remember an old quote, I can't remember it exactly or where it's from, but it goes something like this:

"The wind of fascism makes itself known in America, but always lands in Europe"

landing winds? that sort of metaphor will sow a flood of confusion on the wing.

Confabulat [TotalFark]

History does tend to repeat itself. Growing up, I could never understand how the Germans just sat back when the Jews were rounded up, but I understand it just fine nowadays.

I feel the same way. Now I understand that if you scare the pants off the rubes, they'll give you pretty much anything you want.

"you know, the nazi's had pieces of flair that they made the jews wear"

"Not only do you tattoo them in the middle of their forehead but you ship them out of this country ... they are here to kill us."

I didn't know ericjohnson0 lived in the DC area. huh.

Sometimes three or more threads a day on Fark are dedicated to bashing Christians but someone bashes Muslims and Farkers are outraged. What a hypocritical,duplicitous bunch of people.
You are either for or against religious persecution. Where was all this outrage when Elton John and Rosie O'Donnell said Christianity should be banned? Hitler only hated one group too. That didn't make him right.

from wikipedia:
"In saying that a myth is a sacred narrative, what is meant is that a myth is believed to be true by people who attach religious or spiritual significance to it. Use of the term by scholars does not imply that the narrative is either true or false."

I can understand how that would give pause, but I think myth is an apropriate word.

Tatsuma: Personally, I see it more as a single and long event than 2 separate wars

That's an interesting perspective.

I feel much the same way about the American Revolution and the Civil War, FWIW... I don't think the questions of the revolution were fully settled until 1865

Tatsuma: If you're afraid of the rise of Fascism and anti-muslim governments, start being worried about Europe, not America

Yeah, I can think of the racism and hatred in the suburbs of Paris, and the riots where people were burning cars like crazy. Also, the Dutch law trying to ban Muslim women from wearing burqas in public. Not to mention the Mohammed cartoons. I don't have any statistics, but I do believe that there is definitely more blatant hatred toward Muslims in Europe than there is in the U.S.

@ Notalking: Is it not yours?

Tatsuma

Several hijackers of 9-11 brought attention to themselves before getting on the planes

They held a public prayer before boarding? Do you have a link for this?

aestiva: Is it not yours?

Nope, I am Canadian, I have my charter of rights and freedoms, and as far as I know no Muslim beliefs conflict with it.

Sounds like a plan.

Mija: Sometimes three or more threads a day on Fark are dedicated to bashing Christians

I see far more Muslim bashing than Christian bashing on this site. Like, 10 times more, easily.

A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

Wow... with that many, that's not just Bush supporters.

@ Notalking: Poll tax for non-muslims? Rights of female accused? stoning?

Call me an optimist, but I don't really think history WILL repeat itself in this particular instance. As sick as the responses to this guy were, and as disheartening as it is to hear that almost 40% of our population are neanderthals, I sincerely believe that we can't and won't allow something as barbaric as concentration camps to pop up in this country again. Oh, I believe certain individuals will TRY to pull something like that (I'm looking at you, Mr. Bush!), but I really want to believe that the rest of the country would take a stand and stop such an atrocity.

Sigh... then I realize that virtually no one is doing squat about Gitmo, and I start to question my own optimism.

/don't really know what to believe anymore

If a resident's religious beliefs conflict with the tenets of the Constitution they should be strongly encouraged to live elsewhere. If you don't like the club rules then don't join the club.

What, so we're gonna deport all the Christians now?

Notalking_justhead [TotalFark]

aestiva: Is it not yours?

Nope, I am Canadian, I have my charter of rights and freedoms, and as far as I know no Muslim beliefs conflict with it.

Well if you weren't such a stooopid canuck mooselimb lover than you would know that the First Amendment says some crap or something about freedom of religion, but what they really mean is that only TruChristians are allowed to live here.

I blame the Irish.

thejoyofpi: I see far more Muslim bashing than Christian bashing on this site. Like, 10 times more, easily.

It depends on what you define as "Christian bashing" personally I am offended by about 90% of all comments made in threads dealing with Christianity, there is probably just as much ignorance about that religion as there is about Islam here on fark.

As much as I hate to admit it, this isn't something that I can really get too worked up about. I wouldn't advocate or support forcing Muslims to wear armbands or get tattoos, but I can see why people would want them to and frankly it's neither alarming or surprising to me. In this country, being Muslim is a choice, and I think it's a poor choice. I don't have to agree with it, and I certainly don't have to feel guilt for that or anger towards others who don't support it.

This isn't like hating blacks, or Indians, or homosexuals, or anyone else who is different from me by birth or some condition they have no control over; this is simply deciding that what these people subscribe to is stupid at best and dangerous at worst, and I want no part of it. If someone told me that they were a "moderate Nazi" I'd think they were insane, and I pretty much look at "moderate Islam" the same way.

Ha, Tatsuma, you're a joke. Please give me a reliable source after the fact that the 9/11 perpetrators openly prayed before boarding.

Tatsuma

Do you approve or disapprove of making Muslims identify themselves in America, whether with a visible symbol or a mark on their ID, or some other method?