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(Reuters)   Radio host Jerry Klein staged a hoax on the air and suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band. Many xenophobes called in and actually agreed with his statement   (today.reuters.com) divider line 572
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2006-12-02 04:39:35 PM  
Does this surprise anyone?
 
2006-12-02 04:41:09 PM  
The rest of the story apparently isn't showing up in the link. Here it is.

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"The switchboard went from empty to totally jammed within minutes," said Klein. "There were plenty of callers angry with me, but there were plenty who agreed."

POLLS SHOW WIDESPREAD ANTI-MUSLIM SENTIMENT

Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

Roughly a quarter of those polled said they would not want to live next door to a Muslim and a third thought that Muslims in the United States sympathized with al Qaeda, the extremist group behind the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington.

A poll carried out by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), an advocacy group, found that for one in three Americans, the word Islam triggers negative connotations such as "war," "hatred" and "terrorist." The war in Iraq has contributed to such perceptions.

Klein's show followed a week of heated discussions on talk radio, including his own, and online forums over an incident on November 22 involving six Muslim clerics. They were handcuffed and taken off a US Airways flight after passengers reported "suspicious behavior" that included praying in the departure gate area.

The clerics, on their way to a meeting of the North American Imams Federation, were detained in a holding cell, questioned by police and FBI agents, and released. Muslim community leaders saw the incident as yet more evidence of anti-Muslim prejudice.

IGNORANCE SEEN AS KEY PROBLEM

Several American Muslims interviewed on the subject of prejudice over the past few weeks said ignorance was at the core of the problem.

"The level of knowledge is very, very low," said Mohamed Esa, a U.S. Muslim of Arab descent who teaches a course on Islam at McDaniel College in Maryland. "There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world and some people think they are all terrorists."

Hossam Ahmed, a retired Air Force Reserve colonel who occasionally leads prayer meetings for the small Muslim congregation at the Pentagon, agreed. "Ignorance is the number one problem. Education is of the essence."

There are no hard figures on how many Muslims have been subject to harassment or prejudice and community leaders say that ugly incidents can prompt spontaneous expressions of support. Such as the e-mail a Minneapolis woman sent to CAIR after the imams were taken off their flight.

"I would like to ... help," the e-mail said. "While I cannot offer plane tickets, I would be happy to drive at least 2 or 3 of them. My car is small, but at least some of our hearts in this land of the free are large."

And optimists saw signs of change in the November 4 election of the first Muslim to the U.S. House of Representatives, which has 435 members.

Democrat Keith Ellison, a 43-year-old African-American lawyer, did not stress his religion during his campaign for a Minnesota seat, but said his victory would "signal to people who are not Muslims that Muslims have a lot to offer to the United States and the improvement of our country."
 
2006-12-02 04:44:53 PM  
Howie_Feltersnatch: Those in agreement are not a fringe minority: A Gallup poll this summer of more than 1,000 Americans showed that 39 percent were in favor of requiring Muslims in the United States, including American citizens, to carry special identification.

In related news: 39% of Americans are closeted Nazis.

/39% of you can kiss my ass, you un-American pricks
 
2006-12-02 04:47:01 PM  
My reaction wasn't targeted toward you, Mr. Feltersnatch...sorry if I seem to have implied that.
 
2006-12-02 04:48:51 PM  
All we have is the clown's word after the fact that it was a hoax. He needs a better excuse, booze or meth are pretty popular. Special bonus paid sick days in rehab.
 
2006-12-02 04:49:19 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: My reaction wasn't targeted toward you, Mr. Feltersnatch...sorry if I seem to have implied that.

Nope. Didn't seem that way to me at all. Apology unnecessary, sir.
 
2006-12-02 04:53:08 PM  
America, FARK YEAH.
 
2006-12-02 04:53:46 PM  
But what does Kramer think about all this?
 
2006-12-02 04:55:36 PM  
The issue is that Islam is roughly 700 years behind Christianity on the evolutionary scale of religions. Europe in the Middle Ages looked much like the Middle East does today. Eventually westerners evolved beyond the need for a belief in a super-spirit that rules over our lives and we all now live wonderfully enlightened atheistic lives. The Muslims hate us for our freedom from religious beliefs.
 
2006-12-02 04:57:26 PM  
flaEsq: All we have is the clown's word after the fact that it was a hoax.

Right. I think someone asked (in an earlier thread on this matter) if anyone was familiar with this guy before this "hoax."

I don't recall anyone responding then, so I shall pose the question again:

Anyone familiar with this guy? What's he like? Any reason to believe this was truly a hoax, or a guy who decided to play it off as one when things started getting ugly.
 
2006-12-02 04:59:41 PM  
Either that was the most exquisitely crafted trolling I've ever seen, or capecodcarl is just... I'm not sure what he is if that was genuine.
 
2006-12-02 05:01:46 PM  
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2006-12-02 05:04:35 PM  
This article will post to the Main page on Sat, 02 Dec 2006 at 5:57 PM

Oh, boy... This oughta be interesting for my 65th green.
 
2006-12-02 05:06:43 PM  
capecodcarl: Eventually westerners evolved beyond the need for a belief in a super-spirit that rules over our lives and we all now live wonderfully enlightened atheistic lives. The Muslims hate us for our freedom from religious beliefs.

Speak for yourself, I'm still religious. The extremists hate us because they think that we're infidels, the extremists want us dead. To say over 1.3 billion people in the entire world hates us is ignorant. Islam isn't behind christianity, if anything it is more advanced, since it came into being after Christianity.
What you're doing is generalizing. The extremists represent a fringe minority, who get a lot of press because they commit terrible acts. What you don't see is the rest of the religion, who are completley at ease with our beliefs and way of life.
The Qu'ran preaches mostly love, and the passages that those extremists cite are usually to do with specific circumstances presented to Mohammed and the Muslim people. They were extremley persecuted in their time, and Mohammed decided it was important to put into writing.
Do a little research into Islam before you start labelling them hate mongers, visit a local temple, talk to the religious leader in your area, most are more then happy to explain to you what the religion is about, why they perform certain rituals, and debunk all of these myths and fears about Islam.
 
2006-12-02 05:07:26 PM  
Howie_Feltersnatch: Either that was the most exquisitely crafted trolling I've ever seen, or capecodcarl is just... I'm not sure what he is if that was genuine.

genuine...idiot
 
2006-12-02 05:09:10 PM  
History does tend to repeat itself. Growing up, I could never understand how the Germans just sat back when the Jews were rounded up, but I understand it just fine nowadays.
 
2006-12-02 05:11:29 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: idiot

That appellation was not targeted toward you, Mr. Feltersnatch...sorry if I seem to have implied that.

Instead, I meant to to suggest that carl's post was genuine...and that this made him an idiot.
 
2006-12-02 05:11:45 PM  
Howie_Feltersnatch: Either that was the most exquisitely crafted trolling I've ever seen, or capecodcarl is just... I'm not sure what he is if that was genuine.

A cunning counterhoax?
 
2006-12-02 05:11:46 PM  
Confabulat: History does tend to repeat itself.

"The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes"
- Adolf Hitler
 
2006-12-02 05:11:59 PM  
Howie_Feltersnatch: Oh, boy... This oughta be interesting for my 65th green.

Oh, so it was you!!!

Why, oh why, are you trolling, and lumping all conservatives in with the bigoted jerks who called that show? ;-)
 
2006-12-02 05:14:34 PM  
Notalking_justhead: Do a little research into Islam before you start labelling them hate mongers, visit a local temple, talk to the religious leader in your area, most are more then happy to explain to you what the religion is about, why they perform certain rituals, and debunk all of these myths and fears about Islam.

Very, very well put.
 
2006-12-02 05:15:07 PM  
Well they shouldn't have flown those biplanes into the Reichstag
 
2006-12-02 05:17:04 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: Instead, I meant to to suggest that carl's post was genuine...and that this made him an idiot.

Yeah, I said that I didn't know what that would make him were he genuine. You clarified exactly what he would be, Sir Mandrake; a genuine idiot.

flaEsq: A cunning counterhoax?

omgnowai!

EnoMan: Why, oh why, are you trolling, and lumping all conservatives in with the bigoted jerks who called that show? ;-)

Hoisted by my own petard. ;P
 
2006-12-02 05:20:33 PM  
Pope George Ringo: Well they shouldn't have flown those biplanes into the Reichstag

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2006-12-02 05:24:33 PM  
Howie_Feltersnatch: Oh, boy... This oughta be interesting for my 65th green.

Rut roh. This story was already greened today (no pop)

/I'm not telling on ya, just saying don't be surprised if your green goes to red
//had 2 of my greens go red the last few days for the same reason
 
2006-12-02 05:26:04 PM  
Oh my, someone here is certainly getting a kleinkicking

Pope George Ringo (laughs coffee onto new widepanel) Thanks a lot
 
2006-12-02 05:28:57 PM  
Sigh, like it or not, I see Muslims and Christians on a collision course with each other and think it will happen in the next 10-20 years as the Muslim communities in Europe and elsewhere try to exert more control and demand more rights for themselves. Most of their beliefs are so alien to Christians that they can't be accepted by them and there is no chance of blending the two belief systems together into a workable society of laws, religion, etc. All it's gonna take is a few more clashes here and there and then it's gonna blow up and make Iraq seem like a picnic.
/Agnostic
 
2006-12-02 05:29:00 PM  
damageddude: had 2 of my greens go red the last few days for the same reason

Well, that'll be a first for me, should it happen.
 
2006-12-02 05:29:11 PM  
So his troll worked?
 
2006-12-02 05:30:36 PM  
Someday, all one will really need to do to incite mass furor and hysteria will be to shout "ISLAM!! Scary, Scary ISLAM!!" as loud as possible and people will head for the hills.

Sad thing is that people seem to have a psychological need for a boogeyman of some sorts - be it Islam, the president, or something else who they don't like. Saddest thing is that it's this boogeymanism which seems to be fueling both sides of the aisle in American politics today. things can only get better once we learn to see beyond it and realize that not everyone is out to kill us or our way of life.
 
2006-12-02 05:32:18 PM  
Baggins: All it's gonna take is a few more clashes here and there and then it's gonna blow up and make Iraq seem like a picnic.

Here's one clash coming next summer (pops)

Well, in this case it'll be Jews in a country with Christians and Muslims.
 
2006-12-02 05:44:06 PM  
And people say that what happened in a certain place 60 years ago could never happen here.

Yeah.
 
2006-12-02 05:48:03 PM  
The Jews of Germany wanted nothing but to be the best German possible. They were the most assimilated Jews of the world. It's unacceptable to treat Muslims as a whole like terrorists, but Jews being stripped of their businesses for being Jews and muslims being removed from an airplane for acting suspicious is not in the same ballpark. It ain't even the same universe.

There is a threat coming from a certain (albeit generally small) segment of the Muslim population worldwide. There were no attacks of Jews on Germany yet there are attacks of Muslims on America...

but you have to draw a line dictated by common sense

It's common sense to take a group of muslims who sit in a terrorist pattern on a flight with one way tickets

It's not common sense to force all muslims to undergo more scrutiny.
 
2006-12-02 05:51:42 PM  
Tatsuma: It's common sense to take a group of muslims who sit in a terrorist pattern on a flight

And what, exactly, do you define "in a terrorist pattern" to be?
 
2006-12-02 05:53:53 PM  
tchamber: And what, exactly, do you define "in a terrorist pattern" to be?

Very similar to the seating arrangements the hijackers had on 9/11.
 
2006-12-02 05:54:08 PM  
tchamber: And what, exactly, do you define "in a terrorist pattern" to be?

I have to agree with Tatsuma on this.
a terroist pattern would be you and your buddies, having been seen together, breaking apart and sitting infront of all the exits, as happend with the 6 Imams recently arrested.
 
2006-12-02 05:55:43 PM  
Tatsuma: It's common sense to take a group of muslims who sit in a terrorist pattern on a flight with one way tickets

Not anymore. These people are smart. They no longer buy one-way tickets, or sit in predictable patterns.

Not that I would know, Mr. Government Agent Assigned to Reading Total Fark, heh, heh, nope...not that I would know...
 
2006-12-02 05:59:27 PM  
tchamber: And what, exactly, do you define "in a terrorist pattern" to be?

A group of six individuals who arrive, when 2 sits in first class, two in the middle of the plane and 2 in the back. There are other patterns as well.

Lionel Mandrake: Not anymore. These people are smart. They no longer buy one-way tickets, or sit in predictable patterns.

Not anymore, maybe, but we can't afford to take the chance.

Imagine terrorists manage to take control of a plane and crash it somewhere else. There was a flag but security did nothing cause "Hey, dude, one-way tickets and terrorist seating patterns? Man, it was soooo obvious that we thought it obviously meant they weren't terrorist, no terrorist would use the same trick twice!"
 
2006-12-02 06:00:46 PM  
Lionel Mandrake: These people are smart. They no longer buy one-way tickets, or sit in predictable patterns.

I highly doubt they are dumb enough use easily traceable land lines, wireless phones, or traceable email accounts to coordinate with each other anymore either. Makes you wonder about the domestic surveillance programs.
 
2006-12-02 06:01:57 PM  
You know Hitler had pieces of flair....
 
2006-12-02 06:02:15 PM  
Howie_Feltersnatch: I highly doubt they are dumb enough use easily traceable land lines, wireless phones, or traceable email accounts to coordinate with each other anymore either

They did before 9-11, they were caught on cameras wiring money, we were able to track most of their moves after the fact.

How the fark do you think they could access non-traceable lines or email accounts, exactly? We're not talking evil KGB superplot, we're talking about people planning this in badly ventilated appartments.
 
2006-12-02 06:03:24 PM  
I can think of a few Farkers (okay, maybe just one or two) who would agree with that.
 
2006-12-02 06:03:33 PM  
I think it's high time that we put Godwins Law aside.

For I believe that the probability of direct parallels to Nazism by the popular news media and political sources has already reached zero and to ignore that fact is a sign of complete and utter ignorance.

What I want to know is when do we stand up and start doing something about the rise of fascism in the US and not allow the US to go down the same dark and hatefull path as Nazi Germany?
 
2006-12-02 06:03:44 PM  
so, kind of Phil Hendrie/Borat thing.
 
2006-12-02 06:03:57 PM  
Anyone who has read the "Religion of Peace" threads on this site will not be surprised.
 
2006-12-02 06:05:49 PM  
ugh, why does history keep repeating itself?
 
2006-12-02 06:06:26 PM  
rcain: What I want to know is when do we stand up and start doing something about the rise of fascism in the US and not allow the US to go down the same dark and hatefull path as Nazi Germany?

I seem to remember an old quote, I can't remember it exactly or where it's from, but it goes something like this:

"The wind of fascism makes itself known in America, but always lands in Europe"

If you're afraid of the rise of Fascism and anti-muslim governments, start being worried about Europe, not America
 
2006-12-02 06:06:35 PM  
Tatsuma: Not anymore, maybe, but we can't afford to take the chance.

OK, fine. It is my own belief, however, that very little of any actual consequence is being done to stop future attacks. What we have here, mostly, are attempts to appear to be doing something.

"Hey, we really are clueless, but at least we can inspire some confidence, so as not to have the industry completely collapse!"

If keeping an eye on swarthy purchasers of one-way tickets helps you buy that ticket, then OK...something is being done.
 
2006-12-02 06:07:07 PM  
dvedis: ugh, why does history keep repeating itself?

Because people skip their history classes?
 
2006-12-02 06:07:09 PM  
dvedis ugh, why does history keep repeating itself?

ugh why does this thread keep repeating itself.
 
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