2006-12-02 07:55:15 PM Notalking_justhead

KazamaSmokers: Dude... Catholics ARE Christians.

Yeah I know, but not all Christians are Catholics.

And Unitarians are all of the above and then some.

the_only_right_way

Why are you ignoring me, Exodus2001?

Sorry my kids were fighting over Mr. Potato Head.

If there were more Muslims like you and less Christians like Bush things would be allot better.

2006-12-02 07:56:24 PM Notalking_justhead

Because they disagree over the minute details of things their prophets said =).

"His face is black on the right side!!"

The nazi comparison doesn't float because being Jewish is both a race and religion (right..?) and being Muslim is just a religion.

got it, Notalking_justhead, they are *anal* followers, then.
SO that would make them followers of the anus?

KazamaSmokers: And Unitarians are all of the above and then some.

Christianity is unique in the fact that we have so many different sects, with Judaism it can roughly be divided into Conservative, middle (can't remember what they're called), and liberal. Muslims are Shiate and Sunni.
Christians are Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Irish Catholic, Roman Catholic, baptist, etc.

The most obvious difference is that Catholics in general have much more fancy clerical wardrobes.

2006-12-02 07:57:44 PM Exodus2001

Sorry my kids were fighting over Mr. Potato Head.

More Irish Catholic bashing??

Exodus2001

Rapmaster2000

Ha ha. I bet Mazhar and Ajit would never blow up your office and are probably a couple of fine citizens. But that's not what I was talking about at all. You turned "Muslims won't denounce suicide bombers" into "all Muslims are suicide bombers".

Funny though.

Well, I'm pretty sure that they don't support them. I've never "denounced" abortion killing people, but I want to see them go to prison. Should I stage a press conference to publicly denounce all the stuff that we commonly agree to be morally wrong? I'm not sure what qualifies as denouncing, and at what level a lack of denouncement counts as approval.

In short, I think you're engaging in pointless semantics.

All the muslims that I've known, even the one I've shagged, are as American to me as anyone else. I'm not sure where you're seeing this evil within thing. You sound a little paranoid.

/none of my best friends are muslims

2006-12-02 07:58:35 PM Notalking_justhead
middle (can't remember what they're called),

Catskill.

your mother: Jewish is both a race and religion (right..?) and being Muslim is just a religion.

Race = divisionistic, arbitrary grouping of people
Religion = divisionistic, arbitrary grouping of people

I'm missing your point here.

SO the problem would be a lack of secular ecumenicalism and too much ecumenical secularism.
Or as we say on the rez [a different "camp" entirely]
Too many chiefs and not enough Indians.

Muslims are Shiate and Sunni.

What, no love for the Sufi, the Kharijites, or the Ahmadi?

zabdorff: Race = divisionistic, arbitrary grouping of people
Religion = divisionistic, arbitrary grouping of people

I'm missing your point here

That is about the least bigotry thing I have ever read.

This is a great idea. Let's require EVERYONE to wear an armband with their personal labels on it. A patch for your spiritual outlook, one for your politics, one for your philosophy, one representing your economic stratum, and of course we'll tattoo the person's sexual preferences on their cheek and the back of each hand.

Now we can hate each other without even a look in the eye!

marsupial: The most obvious difference is that Catholics in general have much more fancy clerical wardrobes.

Don't forget the funny hats!

marsupial: What, no love for the Sufi, the Kharijites, or the Ahmadi?

There are smaller sects, but about 90% of all Muslims are Shiete, or however you spell it, and about 9% are Sunnis.

2006-12-02 08:02:05 PM marsupial

What, no love for the Kharijites?

Give it up for the nation of OMAN, ladies and gentlemen!!

Don't forget the funny hats!

Yes, much like pirate captains, the importance of a Catholic clergyman is directly related to the size of his hat.

Son of God wrote:
"And you show ignorance by differentiating Catholics from Christians"

The only difference betwixt Catholics and Christians that I raised was that some groups consider a "truly" Christian Bible to be one that excludes the Old Testiment, which obfuscates the Judaic origins of Christianity by those would only focus on the "selected" gospels of just a few of the apostles. And then their are the Mormons who would rip-off the whole damn thing and make up their own Gospels.

So please, put some more pie in that hole and STFU.

There are smaller sects, but about 90% of all Muslims are Shiete, or however you spell it, and about 9% are Sunnis.

Other way around, isn't it?

Notalking_justhead: That is about the least bigotry thing I have ever read.

Thank you... I think. I try not to be bigotry.

I, for one, would like to see a bunch of white guys hijack a plane and fly it into something or commit some other random act of terrorism while exclaiming "This is in the name of Jesus Christ, my personal lord and savior!"

/Muslim does not a terrorism make
//Neocons are just as farked up as the Islamic extremists

rcain: Mormons who would rip-off the whole damn thing and make up their own Gospels.

How dare they! The nerve of some people, making up their own belief systems! If people kept that up, there'd be thousands of religions!

waiting_for_june: I, for one, would like to see a bunch of white guys hijack a plane and fly it into something or commit some other random act of terrorism while exclaiming "This is in the name of Jesus Christ, my personal lord and savior!"

Hahaha. There have been white guys hijacking planes, think IRA
Dunno if they did it in the name of religion.

I don't think the IRA ever hijacked planes. Car bombs were their forte.

SchlingFo [TotalFark]

Will_Tweak_For_Meth: It couldn't happen here, so get off your Nazi soap boxes.

I'm not saying that people should be running around scared of the U.S. falling into Nazism, but to say that it's absolutely impossible for anything like that to ever happen in the United States is unreasonable, illogical, and a bit egotistical.


Anytime before the Republican party starts breaking up Democratic conventions with storm troopers is too early to say we're in danger of falling into Nazism.

True, the Nazi's rise to power was complicated and its hard to pin one factor on their success.

However, the U.S. is absolutely nothing like post WWI Germany. BTW, comparing anyone who hasn't committed genocide to Hitler takes away the power of calling someone trully evil Hitler. People like Hussein, Pal Mal, Stalin, and Mao deserve it. George Bush does not, he still has to earn the right to be called evil.

I have a question: Considering all the inter-religious strife and conflict in the Middle East, how have the Druze managed to keep from being wiped out of by one or all the the other religions? I mean, I don't think there are enough of them out there to start a softball league.

Notalking_justhead
Don't forget that Judaism has roots in Palestine too, their ancestors were from there, and they were exiled.

There is an important, substantive difference between the people who are living on the land, and a 2000 year old historical connection.

My ancestry has roots in Italy but that doesn't give me any right to pack up and move to Rome, and especially not to go setting up my own country there by kicking out the present inhabitants.

Rapmaster2000

I've never "denounced" abortion killing people, but I want to see them go to prison.

See, you said they should go to prison.

All the muslims that I've known, even the one I've shagged, are as American to me as anyone else. I'm not sure where you're seeing this evil within thing. You sound a little paranoid.

Where the heck did that come from? I never said anything about Muslims being evil. So you shagged a Muslim out of wedlock? I suppose you should be stoned or something. Right? Right?

Will_Tweak_For_Meth: People like Hussein, Pal Mal, Stalin, and Mao deserve it. George Bush does not, he still has to earn the right to be called evil.

Bravo. I do, however, think he's earned the right to be called rather silly.

mrexcess: My ancestry has roots in Italy but that doesn't give me any right to pack up and move to Rome, and especially not to go setting up my own country there by kicking out the present inhabitants.

Good point. But, considering almost every country/race currently exists on land that was taken from other people... at what point does it become wrong? Since the Israelis have only been there 50 years, is it OK to tell them to pack up because they (and by "they", I mean European powers) stole some Palestinian land?

beoswulf: All it takes is apathy. 1/3 of Mohammedans would not report a planned terror attack to the authorities.

"The road to Auschwitz was built by hate but paved with indifference."

2006-12-02 08:15:26 PM marsupial
I have a question: Considering all the inter-religious strife and conflict in the Middle East, how have the Druze managed to keep from being wiped out of by one or all the the other religions?


I think the decision to greenlight this was Druze.

/ducks

KazamaSmokers: Yeah, no doubt. How's Ernest Borgnine doing?



You are awesome! That is all.

I think the decision to greenlight this was Druze.

Maybe... they do keep the specifics of their faith secret, after all.

Thinking on it, that's a great idea. I wish everyone kept the details of their religions secret.

You guys are surprised that nearly 40% of the American populace supports Nazi-style armbands for Muslims? Come on! In early 1942 the US Gov't rounded up all West Coast Japanese-Americans (including multi-generation native born US Citizens) and interned them in concentration camps for years. Tens of thousands lost their homes, businesses and all their worldly possessions with no recourse, because SCOTUS upheld the Gov't in a famous case of the day.

Once again Americans are afraid of a genuine and self-declared threat to our security. And while we aren't about to round up Muslims today in the style of 1942, you can bet that the Gov't is going to use all the tools at its disposal to tabs on them. But do Muslim leaders in America denounce violence and urge their brothers to be model citizens? No. instead a bunch of them get together and decide to "stress test" America's patience with this asinine publicity stunt with US Airways, whose objectives are nothing more than to place the US on the defensive vis Muslims, and intimidate us into the capitulation they had going in Europe until recently.

I am confident that the vast majority of Muslims just want to get along with creating a better life for themselves and their families, and aren't out to jihad the world. However, they are about as powerful a voice in Islam these days as the average person was in 1930's Germany. And like 1930's Germany, modern day Islam is being hijacked by its most extreme elements in an overt and self-acknowledged plan to "take over the world", with force if needed.

People who apologize for Islam's excesses now are the same "useful fools" who appeased Hitler in the '30s.

zabdorff
But, considering almost every country/race currently exists on land that was taken from other people... at what point does it become wrong?

At the point we got together and decided to stop using warfare to vie for territory, I guess. We can't do that anymore, even if we want to -- the potential costs of warfare are now simply too awful, too globally dangerous to risk.

Since the Israelis have only been there 50 years, is it OK to tell them to pack up because they (and by "they", I mean European powers) stole some Palestinian land?

Israel was created by a legitimate international governing body acting under its legal authority. The decision was not a wise one, but it was a legal one, and 50 years is too late in the game to go reversing course, screwing over the millions of Israelis living out there. So no, I think it's too late to undo what has been done vis-a-vis Israel. It is not, however, too late to acknowledge the damage that our decisions caused, and it is certainly not too late to restrain Israel from further illegal territorial conquest and annexation such as they're perpetrating in the occupied territories today.

Their belief system is eradicating anyone not a Muslim. I say, do unto others, first.

"The simple truth is: good Muslims are bad people. Islam makes them that
way. While there are plenty of "bad" Muslims who are good people, they are
as impotent as bad Nazis in the Third Reich or bad Communists during
Stalin's era. The Qur'an defines good and bad Muslims for us. It says a good
Muslim is a Jihadist, a man who leaves his home, sacrificing his wealth and
life, fighting in Allah's Cause. Allah says they will be rewarded with stolen
booty if they survive or with a heavenly bordello if they die. Bad Muslims, on
the other hand, are peaceful. Allah calls them "hypocrites" because they are
unwilling to fight. He even says that peaceful Muslims are "the most vile of
creatures"and that hell's hottest fires await them. If you are a peace-loving
Muslim, your god hates you."

Shamelessly copied from "Prophet of Doom" by Craig Winn

zabdorff: Good point. But, considering almost every country/race currently exists on land that was taken from other people... at what point does it become wrong? Since the Israelis have only been there 50 years, is it OK to tell them to pack up because they (and by "they", I mean European powers) stole some Palestinian land?

The European powers didn't specifically give them the go ahead to form a country, rather the contrary. It was more of a holding camp until they could decide what to do with them. The Jews took that opportunity to rebel against the British authority there and formed their own country.

I doubt too many Europeans lost a lot of sleep over it though.

StoneColdAtheist
Once again Americans are afraid of a genuine and self-declared threat to our security.

Except that Islam is not a genuine and self-declared threat to our security, nor are its followers inherently. Some people who are Muslim are that, but so also are some Christians, some Jews, some atheists, and some practitioners of Voodoo. Punishing all Muslims for the actions of a few is bigotry, plain and simple. Making them required to self-identify as the subjects of such bigotry is a particularly dangerous, disgusting, and yes, Hitlerian expression of that impulse.

But do Muslim leaders in America denounce violence and urge their brothers to be model citizens? No.

Actually, yes they do. You just don't listen.

2006-12-02 08:28:30 PM marsupial

I think the decision to greenlight this was Druze.

Maybe... they do keep the specifics of their faith secret, after all.


Tough room...

Ah, Jewish exclusivity. Does it know no bounds?

Tough room...

Hee, My reaction was a bit dry, eh.

Pruritic Perineum
Their belief system is eradicating anyone not a Muslim.

Yeah and they eat babies, too.

Put simply, Craig Winn is a nutball, troll, and professional hate monger. He lies about others' religion to sell books and get interviews, capitalizing on the current climate of fear.

I've known a few Muslims in my life, and none of them have indicated any sort of belief in "eradicating anyone not a Muslim". Converting us perhaps, but that's no more harmful than your average evangelical or Jehova's witness, except that I've never been woken up on the weekend by a Muslim knocking at my door trying to convert me.

While majority-Christian theology was holding inquisitions and burning "heretics", majority-Islam theology was preaching religious tolerance and acceptance of other faiths...which it continues to do today.

Mugato: You know Hitler had pieces of flair....

first Laugh of an Out Loud nature for me today...thanks.

zabdorf

well, you can choose your religion, but you can't choose your race.

Not saying muslims should wear ID, but if they did, it's less cruel than forcing someone of a certain race to wear ID.

/sorry so late
//my mom called