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(Reuters)   Radio host Jerry Klein staged a hoax on the air and suggested that all Muslims in the United States should be identified with a crescent-shape tattoo or a distinctive arm band. Many xenophobes called in and actually agreed with his statement   (today.reuters.com) divider line 572
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2006-12-02 06:50:33 PM
Ah, I see that ericjohnson0 has arrived. I was wondering when this party was really gonna start jumping.
 
2006-12-02 06:50:43 PM
2006-12-02 06:48:42 PM vertigo32
Greasy food, mindless entertainment, and a fleet of Tridents.


Jenna Jameson will get more men to surrender than Sgt. Rock.
 
2006-12-02 06:51:14 PM
Howie_Feltersnatch: Ah, I see that ericjohnson0 has arrived. I was wondering when this party was really gonna start jumping.

Indeed, I am having tonnes of fun. Hopefully this thread will still be in swing when I get back from dinner.
 
2006-12-02 06:51:32 PM
aestiva,

Nurse Anesthetist or Anesthesiologist?
 
2006-12-02 06:51:45 PM
Son of God: comedy gold.

Guys, I'm (I think) not an idiot or a loon, but I think that people SHOULD be required to carry some religious identification, for example, on their ID cards. However, it should be purely voluntary. Allow me to explain.

Religious people, by definition, believe in impossible to prove entities/deities that nevertheless generally give them all sorts of special commandments/requirements, be it "don't cut your hair", "pray 5 times a day", "don't eat pork", "don't eat beef", "have a holiday every tuesday and wednesday", "put your left foot in, put your left foot out, put your left foot in and shake it all about", or whatever. To anybody not in that religion, the requirements often seem comical and/or arbitrary. So, how to differentiate between somebody with a 'genuine' deluded belief in some deity and somebody who just pulled something out of their ass to, say, get out of gym class or to be able to wear jeans on other-than-casual friday? This is a serious question: the kneejerk answer, which is 'treat everybody the same' has been shown time and time again not to work - inevitably the majority will choose a model that accomodates them only (for example, christians in the USA might have a uniform policy that requires no long hair, while this would clearly be inappropriate to Sikhs. Ditto in Saudi women are required to be covered..).

So, a possible solution is to let people VOLUNTARILY register their irrational beliefs and carry this on some ID card. The tradeoff is this: if you want to claim the benefits or exception because you think that's the will of some bronze age god, then you need to very clearly spell out in advance what those benefits are. Furthermore, by doing so in some centralized way, it would be possible for a bean counter to compute the cost of accomodating you but without impinging on your rights or subjecting you to discrimination - in other words, you are simpy assessed the price of whatever accomodation you desire - be it taking december 25th off or the hours you lose if you need to keep customers waiting in line 5 times a day while you go and pray.

Of course, the system would stll be open to abuse: you could in theory claim any old thing and go down to the central registry and change your religion every week as you wanted to. However, the key thing is that by adding the extra paperwork step, you at least force religious people to have a bit of accountability and the slightest bit of consistency in their unprovable beliefs. I'm tired of taking off Dec 25th - a cold and miserable day, mostly - I'd rather have an extra day of July.

Making people register their beliefs if they want to claim the benefits of them in a public sphere certainly seems reasnoable. It's also nice because you don't actually have to tell people what they are. If you are a seventh-seal evalgelical first new reformed church of presbylutheran and feel that you are persecuted in your country, you're welcome to list yourself as "withheld" but an employer or other person who had a legitimate need to know could link your ID number or whatever to the exact list of benefits you are claiming for yourself.

just an idea.
 
2006-12-02 06:52:14 PM
SchlingFo

I love the Finns. They and the Icelanders are the only non-boring Scandinavians. Though the Finns achieve that more through really bleak insanity, whereas the Icelanders are just more with the mystical insanity.
 
2006-12-02 06:52:15 PM
KazamaSmokers: Don't harsh his buzz, man.

Whoops!

I'll be sure to mail him a beer in the future to make up for it.
 
2006-12-02 06:53:14 PM
Son of God: Janjaweed in Darfur, the Hutus in Rwanda

'Merrica ain't interested in those plights. There be no oil in them thar places.
 
2006-12-02 06:53:44 PM
Son of God: I think it's rather disgusting, actually. Our country cannot get over WWII. Why do you think Godwinning is a comparison to Nazis, instead of the Janjaweed in Darfur, the Hutus in Rwanda, or any other comparable event?

The majority of what I read are military papers and books.

They're dealing solely with the strategic and military aspect of the war: to include the build-up, the war, and the occupation (the occupation is some really crazy shiat to read about).
 
2006-12-02 06:54:14 PM
Bomb Head Mohammed

Son of God: comedy gold.


What exactly is comedy gold?

/And yeah, you're ideas are rather looney.
 
2006-12-02 06:54:16 PM
Bomb Head Mohammed: just an idea.

Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2006-12-02 06:54:46 PM
My problem with Islam is that is both a religion and a form of government. I support the religion, as I do all religions, but as Islamic populations spread throughout the world and areas begin to demand Islamic law that's when we have a problem.

We (North America/Europe/etc.) need to defend our fought-for Western rights against this, and not just in the future. That means we should not bend over backwards for every perceived slight. Publish the cartoons, kick Imams off flights for acting strangely, and don't give Muslims a special "get out of jail free card" when they claim they are victims of intolerance. Don't treat them any different than any other group; they should not have the right in the West not to be offended. Nor should any other religion or group.

Unrestricted tolerance is going to cause us future problems, I'm convinced of it.
 
2006-12-02 06:54:52 PM
shiat, I meant your.
 
2006-12-02 06:54:53 PM
Notalking_justhead:
Matyrdom is a huge aspect of any of the western religions. Look at all the Christian Saints, most of them are matyrs and became saints because of this.
Then look at the monuments to the righteous gentiles in Isael, many of them were matyrs, suffering great persecution, perhaps even death for helping the Jews escape.

Laughable. Absolutely incredible. You have the audacity THE AUDACITY to compare Christian martrys with Islamic suicide bombers. William Tyndale was strangled and burned at the stake in the 16th century for translated the New Testament into English. And you're lumping his martyrdom with Islamic suicide bombers?

How the FARK is a Christian martyr comparable to an Islamic suicide bomber who targets women, children and anyone else they can blow to bits???????
"So you're saying because Muslims want to live some where other then the Middle East, it means they want to convert the rest of the world? I find that hard to believe"

You know, if you're willing to lump Christian martyrs with Islamic suicide bombers, then 'what you think' is complete madness. If you can't see how warped & retarded your logic is on this point, then what you think about other tenants of Islam is pathetic.

Visit the world. I have. Like it or not, there is an Islamic diaspora. I'm writing this thread from Europe right now. I have seen with my own eyes their communities here.

They are not integrating. This facet is why British Intelligence are still scratching their heads in disbelief why their home-grown Islamic terrorists bombed London last year.

They were born on British soil. They did not adapt. No. They murdered other British citizens like themselves.

I can't believe I'm having a discussion about Islam with someone who earlier didn't even know that they worshipped in Mosques instead of temples.

"As for Polygamy, everybody back then was, it was a huge issue, and Mohammed did a lot to limit that, before he came around most wealthy arabs took 7 or 8 wives, he limited it to four, and only if the people could demonstrate that they would treat all wives equally monitarily and emotionally."

Uh, yeah. So what? You curiously avoided my earlier thread which pointed out that Muhammed took a 7-year old bride. Nothing to say about that? Or will you finally address this FACT in your next thread?
 
2006-12-02 06:55:15 PM
SchlingFo [TotalFark]

ericjohnson0: When they aren't busy hating and trying to kill us, they're busy hating and trying to kill each other.

Except for the vast majority of Muslims who are too busy simply working and raising a family to concern themselves with hating and killing each other.


All it takes is apathy. 1/3 of Mohammedans would not report a planned terror attack to the authorities. And that's 1/3 of those with American citizenship.
 
2006-12-02 06:56:06 PM
Obdicut: I love the Finns. They and the Icelanders are the only non-boring Scandinavians. Though the Finns achieve that more through really bleak insanity, whereas the Icelanders are just more with the mystical insanity.

The only experience I've had with them is drinking.

They are the most drinkingest sons of biatches I've ever come across. With MAYBE the exception of Romanians.
 
2006-12-02 06:56:12 PM
2006-12-02 06:52:14 PM Obdicut
I love the Finns.



www.lambiek.net
 
2006-12-02 06:57:16 PM
12-02 06:55:15 PM beoswulf
1/3 of Mohammedans would not report a planned terror attack to the authorities. And that's 1/3 of those with American citizenship.


cite.
 
2006-12-02 06:57:19 PM
Bomb Head Mohammed: just an idea.

Note to self. Never think out loud in a Fark thread. Always proofread your thoughts before you type them.
 
2006-12-02 06:57:46 PM
SchlingFo

The majority of what I read are military papers and books.

They're dealing solely with the strategic and military aspect of the war: to include the build-up, the war, and the occupation (the occupation is some really crazy shiat to read about).


Then you're excused from my disgust WWII obsession, seeing as studying WWII strategy is more convenience than obsession.
 
2006-12-02 06:57:48 PM
Notalking_justhead wrote:
"I consider myself a devout Cahtolic, and I refuse to observe such a filthy holiday."

That statement is so ironic on so many levels that I wouldn't even know where to start.

Perhaps you could go over to meetup.com and start a group that celebrates true fundie Catholic Days like Crusaders day on July 15 which celebrates the conquest of Jerusalem in 1099. Hell, I was baptised Catholic, I'd be down for throwing huge party every July 15th.

Any ideas on what sort of ornaments we could decorate with?
 
2006-12-02 06:58:06 PM
beoswulf: All it takes is apathy. 1/3 of Mohammedans would not report a planned terror attack to the authorities. And that's 1/3 of those with American citizenship.

I'd really like a source for that claim.
 
2006-12-02 06:58:28 PM
SchlingFo [TotalFark]

Tatsuma: There is a threat coming from a certain (albeit generally small) segment of the Muslim population worldwide. There were no attacks of Jews on Germany yet there are attacks of Muslims on America...

We know that now.

At the time, the Germans had been convinced that the Jews were trying to destroy their way of life.

As it stands now, it seems that about 39% of Americans have been convinced that the Muslims are trying to destroy our way of life.

I really don't like reading that. People in large groups get very dumb and very dangerous when they get scared.


Hitler only got 33% of the vote when he ran for election, so not even most German's believed his anti-semitism. He came to power by a back door plot only possible because of Germany's weakened state and then terrorized everyone who disagreed with him into keeping quiet.

It couldn't happen here, so get off your Nazi soap boxes.
 
2006-12-02 06:59:36 PM
I have a simple request.

Can somebody that is actually a Muslim on Fark denounce suicide bombers and say Jews have a right to exist. I live in Michigan with the largest American Muslim population and I have never heard one say that the suicide bombers are wrong. They always make excuses for them.

This is why some Americans have a problem. Muslim's will not denounce this behavior. It's simple. Why won't they?

I don't personally have a problem with them, but I can see why some people do.
 
2006-12-02 06:59:53 PM
KazamaSmokers [TotalFark]

12-02 06:55:15 PM beoswulf
1/3 of Mohammedans would not report a planned terror attack to the authorities. And that's 1/3 of those with American citizenship.

cite.


Already posted it


http://muslimsforasafeamerica.org/?p=48

It's difficult to trust even those Mohammedans with citizenship to do the right thing when 1/3 admit they wouldn't notify authorities about a planned terror attack.
 
2006-12-02 07:00:44 PM
Will_Tweak_For_Meth: It couldn't happen here, so get off your Nazi soap boxes.

I'm not saying that people should be running around scared of the U.S. falling into Nazism, but to say that it's absolutely impossible for anything like that to ever happen in the United States is unreasonable, illogical, and a bit egotistical.
 
2006-12-02 07:01:03 PM
2006-12-02 06:58:28 PM Will_Tweak_For_Meth
He came to power by a back door plot only possible because of Germany's weakened state and then terrorized everyone who disagreed with him into keeping quiet.
It couldn't happen here, so get off your Nazi soap boxes.


Dammit... I can't figure out what is satire anymore.
 
2006-12-02 07:01:55 PM
Exodus2001

Here you go

There are literally thousands of articles with moderate or liberal Muslims decrying suicide bombing and terror attacks. That's just one of them.
 
2006-12-02 07:01:56 PM
Exodus2001

No. They don't have to. Just as all Christians don't have to publicly denounce people who kill abortion doctors. Just because they're in a large group together does not make them have the same thoughts and be responsible for everyone's actions.
 
2006-12-02 07:03:00 PM
SchlingFo [TotalFark]

Will_Tweak_For_Meth: It couldn't happen here, so get off your Nazi soap boxes.

I'm not saying that people should be running around scared of the U.S. falling into Nazism, but to say that it's absolutely impossible for anything like that to ever happen in the United States is unreasonable, illogical, and a bit egotistical.


It could happen if the Mohammedans do something really stupid like attack the Super Bowl or people feel that their savings are threatened by Islamic attacks on the economy.
 
2006-12-02 07:03:40 PM
beoswulf

What the hell is a Mohammedan?
 
2006-12-02 07:03:52 PM
Uh, if anyone still cares:

The word Islam means "submission". Surprised this fact wasn't pointed out earlier.


http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/index.htm
 
2006-12-02 07:04:14 PM
2006-12-02 06:59:53 PM beoswulf

Already posted it



So this survey of 300 muslims at a religious convention, done by an advocacy group... is rigorous enough for you to make sweeping geralizations about your fellow citizens and have a clear conscience.


Well okay then....
 
2006-12-02 07:04:17 PM
beoswulf
All it takes is apathy. 1/3 of Mohammedans would not report a planned terror attack to the authorities. And that's 1/3 of those with American citizenship.

That was also a survey taken of an extremely nonrandom segment of the Muslim population (Muslims who attended a particular and rather fundamentalist event). That would be like trying to assess America's opinions on abortion by conducting a survey at an Evangelical church.
 
2006-12-02 07:05:37 PM
rcain: That statement is so ironic on so many levels that I wouldn't even know where to start.

Why? Christmas started as a Roman holiday worshiping their sun God. When they decided to become catholic, the emporer said "You can still observe this holiday, but now it is for Jesus and his birthday"
To say Jesus was born in winter, you would have to ignore a lot of what is said in the Bible, like how the shepherds had their flock out grazing, at night. If it were winter while they were doing this, their flock would have frozen to death, it gets awful cold at night in the desert.
 
2006-12-02 07:05:37 PM
Obdicut [TotalFark]

Exodus2001

Here you go

There are literally thousands of articles with moderate or liberal Muslims decrying suicide bombing and terror attacks. That's just one of them.


That's called taquiya. Mohammedans are encouraged to lie to advance Islam.
 
2006-12-02 07:06:13 PM
Macrophallus

The word Islam means "submission". Surprised this fact wasn't pointed out earlier.

Give a person a fact and apparently they'll run with it in a completely wrong direction. It means "submission to God." As in the belief that people need to submit to God's will and let him control their actions.
 
2006-12-02 07:06:14 PM
I honestly have some prejudices against Islam. I do not believe that it is fundamentally a peaceful religion, and I'm honestly rather wary of its believers. Of course, I feel somewhat similar, but perhaps to a lesser degree, about most religions. I realize it's stupid, but on a gut level the word "Muslim" makes me nervous.

That being said, it sickens me that 40% of the people in this country think it's OK to require Muslims to carry special ID's. Do we forget history so easily?

Another thing I don't understand: if about 33% of people in the US have prejudices (like myself) against Islam, where the hell do the extra 7% of these idiots come from?

At least 60% of us still have our heads screwed on straight.
 
2006-12-02 07:06:19 PM
www.tshirthell.com

im in ur thread bashing ur d00d
 
2006-12-02 07:06:59 PM
beoswulf: http://muslimsforasafeamerica.org/?p=48

It's difficult to trust even those Mohammedans with citizenship to do the right thing when 1/3 admit they wouldn't notify authorities about a planned terror attack.


One of the very first things in that article is a disclaimer stating that this is not a scientific survey, the population was composed solely of people who chose to come to their booth, and that this isn't necessarily a representation of Muslims as a whole.

I'm going to need to see something resembling scientific with proper sampling to convince me that 1/3 of the Muslims in the U.S. would let another attack occur if given the chance to stop it.
 
2006-12-02 07:07:24 PM
Mija: Where was all this outrage when Elton John and Rosie O'Donnell said Christianity should be banned?

Elton John + Rosie O'Donnell does_not_equal 39% of the population.


She's big, but not that big.
 
2006-12-02 07:08:16 PM
beoswulf: Mohammedans are encouraged to lie to advance Islam.

Unless they're answering a survey at a booth.

Then, it's "Death to America" time!!!
 
2006-12-02 07:08:42 PM
Beoswulf

That's called taquiya. Mohammedans are encouraged to lie to advance Islam.

That's a good one. I'm going to have to counter by saying that you're using "ayiuqat", which requires Bewofulfs to make completely unprovable assertions when arguing.

You do realize how provincial you sound, right?
 
2006-12-02 07:08:43 PM
beoswulf: Mohammedans are encouraged to lie to advance Islam.

What religion does not, fundamentally, encourage its believers to spread falsehoods?

/not an atheist
//religion makes God cry
 
2006-12-02 07:09:08 PM
Sum Dum Gai, Kazama

The Islamic Society of America is a large, mainstream Muslim group, one of the oldest in America as well.

And the Mohammedans attending the conference were community leaders, scholars, activists etc. Pretty accurate representation of the Islamic population in America.
 
2006-12-02 07:09:16 PM
jitcrunch.cafepress.com

Fair and Balanced.... I mock all of you and your beliefs, but I'm not about to send you to a freaking camp.
 
2006-12-02 07:09:16 PM
Exodus2001
"Can somebody that is actually a Muslim on Fark denounce suicide bombers and say Jews have a right to exist. I live in Michigan with the largest American Muslim population and I have never heard one say that the suicide bombers are wrong. They always make excuses for them.

This is why some Americans have a problem. Muslim's will not denounce this behavior. It's simple. Why won't they?

I don't personally have a problem with them, but I can see why some people do."

Seconded. Anyone on this thread (Islamic) willing to give it a try?
 
2006-12-02 07:09:43 PM
zabdorff: I honestly have some prejudices against Islam. I do not believe that it is fundamentally a peaceful religion, and I'm honestly rather wary of its believers. Of course, I feel somewhat similar, but perhaps to a lesser degree, about most religions. I realize it's stupid, but on a gut level the word "Muslim" makes me nervous.

And, you know what?

I'm not going to fault you for that.

We all have our prejudices, biases, etc.

What's important is how we act with respect to those prejudices and biases.
 
2006-12-02 07:10:24 PM
Macrophallus

So you just decided to ignore the link I gave?

Stay classy, man.
 
2006-12-02 07:10:48 PM
Sum Dum Gai: That would be like trying to assess America's opinions on abortion by conducting a survey at an Evangelical church.

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