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(National Review)   National Review reporter detained by State Department for asking too many embarassing questions.   (nationalreview.com) divider line 80
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2002-07-22 01:16:50 PM  
Remember, you are with them or against them. That means any questions.

Asscroft: "Any Questions?"
Reporter: "Yes, I have one."
Asscroft: "Security, take that man away. Any more questions?"
 
2002-07-22 02:22:52 PM  
Hoo hoo, the Bush administration is starting to get it from the right now, too! Da*n, they hate when reporters get a little too close to the truth.

Visa Express...the program that let in three of the Sept. 11 hijackers in the three months it was in operation in Saudi Arabia before 9/11--from an earlier piece by Mowbray (just had to follow a couple links)--this revelation seems to have irked the State Department. Can't even pin that timeline on Clinton!
 
2002-07-22 07:11:55 PM  
Well, conservatives have always had a problem with Colin Powell, TexasSkeptic.
 
2002-07-22 07:13:56 PM  
Boo......
 
2002-07-22 07:14:19 PM  
Man (and I don't mean gender, I mean you, the reader), this guy, the reporter, reads like, I don't know (I can think of some crude things to say but I'll get to that later), an idiot with a keyboard.
 
2002-07-22 07:15:21 PM  
I must have the attention span of a housefly, I got down to the third paragraph and hit my head on my keyboard, and now I am currently wearing the indentation of "home row" above my eyebrow...B o r i n g.
 
2002-07-22 07:16:24 PM  
reporter: "Which hand do you wipe with?"

"Well, I use my right hand."

reporter: "Gross. I use toilet paper. HAHAHAHAHA!"

"Take him away."
 
2002-07-22 07:19:20 PM  
The hills are alive with the sound of music...
 
2002-07-22 07:21:47 PM  
This was hard to read, but the point still stands that he was detained for asking questions...wtf.
 
2002-07-22 07:24:38 PM  
What I find interesting/amusing is that he wasn't interested in examing why he was detained.

He just wanted to prove himself correct :)

And, tycho, I think he was detained for having a confidential document, although with the way the gubment's going now, who knows......
 
2002-07-22 07:25:48 PM  
For the first time in my life, I am actually afraid to speak out against my government and its actions. They can and do detain people for criticism now. History is going to frown very strongly on this chapter of our soon-to-be past. At least I can have a clear conscience knowing that I voted against Bush.

It's time for a beer, if they'll allow me.
 
2002-07-22 07:29:41 PM  
BigTuna <------ Drama queen
 
2002-07-22 07:31:12 PM  
Relax, they can't detain you for very long if you have money.

If you DON'T have money, on the other hand,
kiss your ass goodbye.
 
2002-07-22 07:33:16 PM  
This stuff won't end until people start voting Libertarian.

www.lp.org
 
2002-07-22 07:35:18 PM  
"So there, we have figured it out. Go back to bed, America. Your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, America, your government is in control again. Here, here's Survivor. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America. Here's a 24-hour news channel telling you only what we want you to know. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pituitary retards bang their fvckin skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go America, you are free... to do as we tell you. You are free, to do as we tell you!"
(With apologies to Bill Hicks...posted this in another thread but wtf)
 
2002-07-22 07:36:09 PM  
Long article but it might be interesting, anyone care to post an executive summary? thanks
 
2002-07-22 07:37:08 PM  
Woo, I'm free!
 
2002-07-22 07:38:24 PM  
I wish Diplomatic Security would have roughed him up a bit. This moronic journalist wants to take a classified document out of the building, and gets upset when he tries to leave the building with it...

Though I agree with him in regards to the "Visa Express" issue, he needs a good old-fashioned beat-down for trying to smuggle classified documents. He should have just asked one of the many leaks at the State Department to get it for him.
 
2002-07-22 07:38:40 PM  
I read the article in the print mag a few weeks ago. Blew me away. The thing most of you guys don't see is that the reporter and the Government are on the same side of this issue. They want Visa Express terminated. I think (my opinion) is that the reporter is making the process too public and it will be hard for the saudis to 'save face' quietly. Our Gov. wants to end this crap, but ever so diplomatic Dubya doesn't want to offend the Saudis. My opinion.
 
2002-07-22 07:44:00 PM  
Sparty, he brought the document with him into the building.
 
2002-07-22 07:44:09 PM  
Joefish
This stuff won't end until people start voting Libertarian.

Corporate malfeasance, of course, will continue if people start voting Libertarian.
 
2002-07-22 07:47:03 PM  
yes, he attained the document on Wednesday, supposedly from a leak in the State Department. The document was marked "classified." The dummy then proceeds to TAKE IT IN WITH HIM on friday to confront Boucher. Dummy does just that, then wants to leave with the classified cable...
 
2002-07-22 07:48:49 PM  
Vesuvius: The military learned in Vietnam that the less information to come home, the better off they are. Was refined a bit in Iraq and perfected now.

Remember, Igrorance is Strength - our ignorance, their strength.
 
2002-07-22 07:50:14 PM  
All I'm saying is, is that if you were a reporter, had an inside individual at the State department that likes to feed you classified information, you probably should not take any information (that was given to you by the source) BACK to the State Department. Lest you were a moron.
 
2002-07-22 07:51:15 PM  
Meshman:Asscroft: "Any Questions?"
Reporter: "Yes, I have one."
Asscroft: "Security, take that man away. Any more questions?"


Here's a handy little tip for not looking like a complete fool: learn the difference between the Justice Department (headed by Ashcroft) and the State Department (headed by Colin Powell).

TexasSkeptic:Hoo hoo, the Bush administration is starting to get it from the right now, too! Da*n, they hate when reporters get a little too close to the truth.

Actually it's the State Department that's getting it, not the whole administration. State thinks of itself as a completely separate branch of government and acts that way. They've been catching hell lately for turning their backs on adult American women who can't get out of Saudi Arabia because they need the permission of their abusive husbands or fathers. If Powell has a spine, he'll do a lot more than fire just one dweeb from that place.

Sparty:I wish Diplomatic Security would have roughed him up a bit. This moronic journalist wants to take a classified document out of the building, and gets upset when he tries to leave the building with it...

A) He didn't have it with him, he was quoting from notes. The document was leaked to him anonymously. B) He performed a valuable service by revealing that Visa Express is still operating despite the State Department's lies that it isn't. Tough if they were embarrassed; they deserved that and more.
 
2002-07-22 07:58:18 PM  
07-22-02 07:33:16 PM
Joefish

This stuff won't end until people start voting Libertarian.

www.lp.org


At least until you can be detained for being a Libertarian. At this point, that doesn't sound too far-fetched.
 
2002-07-22 07:59:47 PM  
Libertarians want free and open immigration. That will lead to a whole host of problems.

Vote reform.
 
2002-07-22 08:02:28 PM  
no, the asshat actually had the cable that was given to him two days prior (from his source). He knew that if he just had notes from the cable, Boucher would've dismissed it as not "belonging" to the State Department. So in his attempt to maintain credibility of his case while arguing with Boucher, Dummy decides to bring in the actual cable (which was good for his argument-- bad for security concerns).
 
2002-07-22 08:04:26 PM  
jesus. it was that long of a article and it wasn't hard to read. I read it in maybe 3-4 minutes. You people need to stop watching so much tv.
 
2002-07-22 08:06:48 PM  
I'm just waiting for someone to call The National Review Liberal. I can feel it coming, and I want a good laugh.
 
2002-07-22 08:08:08 PM  
Jjorsett, who is going to catch the most flak, and who is ultimately to answer here, Colin Powell or George W. Bush? Who has been talking tough on terror and closing down the holes in our country's security? The guy in charge.

Guy Innagorillasuit, yes, well, corporate malfeance will end at least....
 
2002-07-22 08:08:38 PM  
Joefish
This stuff won't end until people start voting Libertarian.

Corporate malfeasance, of course, will continue if people start voting Libertarian.

This is the problem with the liberal socialist left...every last freedom-based or individual decision has to be weighed against some imaginary Utopian State. Because ONE person misuses a gun, all guns have to be banned. Because ONE or even a THOUSAND companies do naughty things, the whole world must be regulated by moral, honest, not-for-profit (WINK WINK) bureaucrats who will plan and manage the economy out of the goodness of their hearts.

BULLSH;T.


Word up, Joefish. Your comment isn't even a matter of promoting the LP. It's simply the truth. You either support slavery or slavery lite, or you support freedom. There is no "freedom lite" and where they try it, it doesn't last long.
 
2002-07-22 08:09:45 PM  
I would oblige, Corvus, but I'm already on the record suggesting otherwise!
 
2002-07-22 08:11:28 PM  
BigTuna: It's hardly the first time people were detained for this sort of thing. Happened under the previous administration too.

The thing I'm wondering about is it Bush's fault? Boucher is the senate minority leader, and I think a republican. But I don't think Bush told him what to do or say or do.
 
2002-07-22 08:20:15 PM  
Richard Boucher is the State Department spokesman. Senate minority leader is Lott (R). But yes- you are correct in saying this type of thing happens a lot... just not to a journalist so much (exposure).
 
2002-07-22 08:35:27 PM  
Relax people.

This is still a Republic!

We the people still have a voice, and we should feel free to disagree with any action the government takes that we personally find objectiona

*goes to answer the knock at the door*
 
2002-07-22 08:37:18 PM  
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2002-07-22 08:46:06 PM  
"every word [he] writes is a lie, including 'the' and 'and.'"

L.M.A.O.
 
2002-07-22 08:46:52 PM  
The Helper Bush is here to protect you. Do you have stairs in your country?
 
2002-07-22 08:55:46 PM  
*

I just wonder how much the people who ALWAYS show up on these politics threads to support the Bush Admin are getting paid?

;-)

*
 
2002-07-22 08:56:42 PM  
who cares?
 
2002-07-22 09:06:35 PM  
You either support slavery or slavery lite, or you support freedom. There is no "freedom lite" and where they try it, it doesn't last long.

Soooooo... you're an anarchist?:)

This crud won't end until y'all start rejecting Washington altogether.
 
2002-07-22 09:07:31 PM  
Interesting point.
 
2002-07-22 09:08:29 PM  
They changed the Visa Express website, but you can find the Google cache of the original page by clicking here. Scroll down just a little bit.
 
TV
2002-07-22 09:12:32 PM  
BigTuna

Face <------- not very perceptive
 
TV
2002-07-22 09:15:04 PM  
huh? html done got all fugged up.

Big Tuna <----- Drama Queen (Face post)
 
DBD
2002-07-22 09:19:07 PM  
***This message was detained by the State Department for reasons of national security***
 
2002-07-22 09:24:55 PM  
NR rocks the house!
 
2002-07-22 09:30:02 PM  
Still looking for that nice European unmarried couple to help my girlfriend and me escape to a Western Democracy...
 
2002-07-22 09:36:08 PM  
Some of you are missing the point.

We are letting the Saudis decid who gets visas. We are still doing this after 9/11. When "called" on it, the State Department chose not to fix what was broken.

Instead they went after a guy who is reporting that they havent fixed the sloppy immigration laws.


Nothing has changed since 9/11, in terms of governments fixing the loopholes that allowed it to happen. Except that you will be detained if you try to educate people about that fact.
 
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