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(   Note to Greenpeace assclowns: Causing tankers, filled with nuclear material, to make evasive maneuvers is not a good way to keep nuclear material from leaking in to the ocean.   ( divider line
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2002-07-22 12:02:20 PM  
Jaggedhooks - 2. Blast the stuff into space, preferably into the sun.
do you really want to put radioactive waste on board a rocket and launch it? have you been paying attention to the space program? just think if one of those rockets exploded in the air and showered the earth with all the waste? It would be worse that any accident you can think of...
2002-07-22 12:03:41 PM  
I did not say they killed teenagers. I only said they killed an economy. The teenagers killed themselves.
2002-07-22 12:04:18 PM  
You have a point Monkeybutler. I guess we're stuck with this crap until we find another way to use the waste.
2002-07-22 12:06:23 PM  
Sarcasmo -
I take the apology back. you're a bit if a something too.

Terrorism is terrorism. a building doesn't have to come down
to be terrorism. you're using terror to achieve your goals. What exactly do you think these twits were up to?
2002-07-22 12:07:41 PM  
keroac, no cracks about Carlo ok, I odnt make jokes about those that you lost on 9-11.

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2002-07-22 12:08:05 PM  
Critics say they are concerned that the shipment is vulnerable to terrorist attack and could be used to make nuclear weapons - claims the Japanese government has denied.

Nobody has tried to turn Mixed Oxide Fuel into weapons because it's generally considered too difficult, and the amount of weapons grade material in them is too low to be of much use.
2002-07-22 12:08:16 PM  
"They wouldn't bother sinking the ships since few people would die, and not many people (read - those not near the sinking) would care."

uh "TheAnusThatAteManhattan"
that is totally not true... the ocean is like a big conveyor belt. radiation on such a level will slowly, but surely, be dispersed around the globe. i'm not saying greenpeace was right--but know your facts. the result of a leak would be catastrophic. and would have world-wide effects.

if you want to see current patterns--take a look here
2002-07-22 12:08:53 PM  
In history that I can remember, a nuclear tanker has never been attacked.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Yes, September 11 was bad. Worse than anyone could ever imagine. But don't expect another terrorist attack every time someone sneezes.
2002-07-22 12:09:14 PM  
10 years later:
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2002-07-22 12:09:52 PM  
Rust buckets? The Pintail was built in 1987, and the Teal around the same time. In shipping terms, pretty new boats. Also Lloyds has articles that say the Pintail and Teal have been in dry dock in 1999 for repairs and they added extra births for more security forces on board.
2002-07-22 12:10:07 PM  
So peaceful protest is terrorism now.

Whats next to be added to the terrorism list, freedom of speech?
2002-07-22 12:10:13 PM  
this is easier

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2002-07-22 12:10:43 PM  
It wasn't a crack. it's the truth.

You people think that because you're upset, all rules go out the window. you'd think you'd have learned.
2002-07-22 12:10:56 PM  
"As an elected member of the New South Wales Parliament ... I wanted to make sure that there was no doubt in these shippers' minds that they are not welcome in this region," Cohen said in a statement.

Hmmm... so why try to stop them from leaving?
2002-07-22 12:12:45 PM  
I don't necessarily think it's terrorism. It sure as hell ain't peaceful protest.
2002-07-22 12:13:12 PM  
"So peaceful protest is terrorism now."

When peaceful protesters throw molatov cocktails why, yes!
2002-07-22 12:14:01 PM  
Funky - I didn't say that it wouldn't have an effect (I'm well aware of ocean currents - but thanks for the nifty chart), I said that people wouldn't care.

Big difference. One relates to natural laws, the other to people's apathy.
2002-07-22 12:14:05 PM  
Screwing around with tankers carrying nuclear waste is not peaceful protest.

It is what I refer to as incompetent boobery that could have incalculable effects on the oceans and all that lives in them.
2002-07-22 12:16:00 PM  
Meshman, I have the slight advantage over you that I was there, not getting my info from CNN.

I also met Carlo's mother in London two weeks ago, so its rather personal.

Carlo picked up a fire extingusher and got shot twice in the head.

At the time the police were driving vans at full speed into the crowd, people were picking up what they could to try and defend themselves.

Dont believe everything you read?
2002-07-22 12:16:15 PM  
Let say that because of the Greenpeace actions, they did cause a collision and the tanker spilled it's contents. I don't think that is the best way to promote the ideals of Greenpeace, or any other organization for that matter.

If a group makes a ship do an evasive maneuver to avoid a collision, it has gone beyond any peaceful protest.
2002-07-22 12:18:25 PM  
If evading a stationary yacht is so dangerous to these ships, what is going to happen when they hit a busy shipping lane?
2002-07-22 12:19:00 PM  
07-22-02 11:55:21 AM Bamf75
You guys are nuts, Greenpeace does a great service.

You are nuts. Greenpeace is like very other extremist organization. THEY SUCK!! They should have sunk the greenpeace boats. What if they had succeeded and the boat carrying nuclear materials wrecked.. Oh yeah that would be GREAT for the environment. Farking asshats
2002-07-22 12:20:14 PM  
07-22-02 12:18:25 PM Harmonia
If evading a stationary yacht is so dangerous to these ships, what is going to happen when they hit a busy shipping lane?

Somebody want to explain maritime law to H, and how shipping lanes operate?

I have to eat a BLT, and some disgust.
2002-07-22 12:20:22 PM  
Why a fire extinguisher?

Why were the police driving vans into the crowd?

I sure don't believe everything I read when you write it.

amazing that the entire educated world knew for months before that this was not an event at which any form of physical outburts were going to be tolerated, yet they all showed up anyway and were surprised when someone got shot.

What's that you said about walking out of the house with a bomb?
2002-07-22 12:21:13 PM  
Somebody give the French DGSE a call and have them "do their thing". Sinking Greenpeace boats is about the only thing the French are useful for.

They need to declare a 300 yard or so area around these ships as a free fire zone and sink any of these kook vessels that come too close. All you would need would be a dozen .50s and a handful of Javelin ant-tank missiles, a few MK19 40mm grenade launchers and some Stingers for asshats in helicopters. Good enough to discourage Greenpeace or other more capable terrorists.
2002-07-22 12:22:34 PM  
Jaggedhooks - Good point.

I don't recall where I read it, but it takes an awfully long distance for a ship that big to be able to stop or turn when they're moving. Like a few miles.

Kudos to the skippers of the cargo vessels. They knew their stuff and averted an accident. This really could have been a mess - but Greenpeace would have loved that.

I really think their intent here was more than just "stopping" these vessels. If someone gets killed (especially kids), they win. If the stuff gets dumped, they win. I fthe two who jumped in get churned into chum, they win.

Skipper averts tragedy - they lose and look like the reckless asshats that they in fact are.
2002-07-22 12:22:57 PM  
How come Greenpeace never protest Russia or China? Russia has a whole fleet of decaying Nuclear sub sitting in there harbors. The Russians have tossed nuclear reactors in the ocean rather than try to clean them up. Oh wait, Greenpeace only protests the west because we have money and their into extortion...
2002-07-22 12:23:51 PM  
didn't some guy also try to jump in the water to get in the way of the ship?

traveling on a busy shipping lane is a lot different than having another vessel deliberately trying to get into an accident with you.
2002-07-22 12:26:48 PM  
If this is terrorism, then get me a grey beard dump me in front of a kangaroo court.

For starters the reported article is grossly exagerated, and leaves out some rather important facts: like why the protest was taking place, and fails to question why the tankers were sailing in and through areas, carrying nuclear fuel, when they had no right to do so.
2002-07-22 12:26:56 PM  
No, protestors have a lot of the same righteous indignation that people on God trips have. Like religios zealotry, except it is secularized.

Normally when the cops say they are going to crack down hard on any protestors, those with brains usually stay home.

Make sure you read you read your Ghandi and Thoreau before you go out.
2002-07-22 12:29:23 PM  
Bleahh....too much mayo.

Greenpeacers never protest China because they'd get blown right out of the water.
2002-07-22 12:29:40 PM  
"Carlo picked up a fire extingusher and got shot twice in the head."

Guess he shouldn't have picked up a large object for unknown use in a violent protest. Guess he shouldn't have been anywhere near the place to begin with. Guess he shoulda had an education, since he obviously has better things to do with his life like protest against things he can't change. Sorry, I have no sympathies for this guy. He was there, it was his choice to be there and every action he made was his choice. The minute the teargas starts flying, that should be indication #1 that you should get the hell our of suffer the consequences.
2002-07-22 12:31:16 PM  
The point being that they shouldn't be shipping uranium round the world. Oil tankers. Now they're dead safe, aren't they?
2002-07-22 12:31:17 PM  
Hey Harmonia, peaceful protest is fine and dandy but when your "protesting" runs amok and a tanker filled with nuclear-goodness capsizes due to your actions, that is a BAD thing. YOU would be the ones responsible if YOUR actions lead to the disaster.

Causing nuklear contamination is close enough to terrorism for me.
2002-07-22 12:31:22 PM  
Tree-hugging lunatics more like it!
2002-07-22 12:31:22 PM  
Guess he shouldn't have picked up that fire extinguisher, eh? Dumbass farking anti-globalization hippie. Half these people can't even explain what globalization is...just need to blame their failures on something, so why not a big world conspiracy. Idiots.
2002-07-22 12:31:24 PM  
ArmchairDissident Go look up the official definition of "international waters".

Now explain to me: why exactly did they not have a right to be there?
2002-07-22 12:31:51 PM  
"out or" :)
2002-07-22 12:37:57 PM  
Anytime a protest devolves into violence, the protest has failed.

Those Anti-WTO farks should wash their hair and get a job.
2002-07-22 12:42:40 PM  
Environmental group Greenpeace said two protesters - one of them an Australian lawmaker - jumped into the water near the ships in a failed attempt to make them stop.

I'll grab this end, you grab that end!
2002-07-22 12:45:36 PM  
Dudes, lay off Harmonia.
2002-07-22 12:46:22 PM  
Q: what's red, orange and yellow and looks good on a hippie?

A: Fire
2002-07-22 12:46:52 PM  
Sunday's protest was part of Greenpeace's campaign to persuade Asian governments to use alternative sources of energy instead of coal, which it says emits greenhouse gasses that contribute to global warming.

And I'm curious, what kind of fuel were their ships using?

I hate hypocrits.
2002-07-22 12:50:30 PM  
If you lay off Harmonia, the dumbfark will dissapear!
2002-07-22 12:50:56 PM  
Ironbar, what was in that sandwich? Have you crossed over to the Dark Side? I find myself agreeing with you for the first time tag?
2002-07-22 12:52:26 PM  
Actually, the Greenpeace site states:

Our fleet is composed of four marine vessels. All the ships have been converted to accommodate the needs of Greenpeace campaigning-from adding helicopter decks to expanding the mess hall. Greenpeace makes the extra effort to "practice what we preach" as almost everything is recycled on the ship. And Greenpeace makes every effort to minimize energy consumption and maximize fuel efficiency.

The RW II uses a sail-assist system to keep fuel use down. You can call them a lot of things, but not hypocrites.
2002-07-22 12:53:01 PM  
Anus Now explain to me: why exactly did they not have a right to be there?

Look up Pacific Island Exclusive Economic Zone, then come back to me when you understand the issues.
2002-07-22 12:54:25 PM  
Protesting is OK, so long as you don't get in the way of those that you're protesting against. Heh.
2002-07-22 12:54:27 PM  
From an old Photoshop contest:

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2002-07-22 12:54:43 PM  

Sorry, missed that...
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