I'm already packed for Costa Rica.

When I was in the Navy, I had no problems overseas. Women loved a man in uniform, or when I was just wearing civilian clothes they loved americans. Never had any problems getting laid in Europe EVAR!!

While I loved returning to "the States" I realize now what this country is lacking.

I probably have several kids overseas that I don't even know about. I'm still waiting for a knock on my door where some women will state in some European language; "Remember me? I'm the mother of your love-child"

But it's all about purification. If we don't spread our seed then how can we achieve world peace.

Or is that Piece? Well, you get the idea.

woohoo... the site is farked...

Fark.com, better then a DDOS Attack

If you haven't reviewed the 4 rules I wrote down please do so now... Your dad's and mom's will agree... (Stupid as it may sound...)

Women don't quite understand sometimes...
"Everything that flies in the air can't be eaten."

Is it me or has all the women from Sex in the City become predicable...

Not all nice guys like biatches either.

Can we all please strike the word "hottie" from our collective languages? It be stupid.

whoa.. shocker.. biatchy "user" type women dont like nice guys? next your gonna tell me surfer dudes dont like fat chix?

hell-yieh

The chic that wrote this article mentions a false syllogism in the article and uses it to apply her thesis that women dont like nice guys: "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

Ironically her whole article is based on one: that all (or most) nice guys are clingy and insecure. I have no idea what basis she thinks she has for this assumption, but it is totally biased and not very logical. She makes sweeping generalizations and totally stereotypes. In other words, she's full of shiat and doesn't know what she's talking about. My husband is a genuinely nice guy and is so secure and non-clingy. Sounds to me what she is calling a "nice guy" is really a pathetic, no backbone loser who kisses her ass in order to get some putang, which she equates as being nice. Really not the same thing at all.

OKay once I read this story about some guy who was friends with this girl that kinda used him then dumped him for a really hot guy, then when she got dumped went back to him, blah blah anyway the point is, the guy said soemthing to the effect of "this is for all guys who sit in the back of the class wanting to talk to the pretty cheerleader in the front but she doesn't even know you're alive." THERE'S MORE THAN JUST CHEERLEADERS OUT THERE!!!! If the only girl you even recognize as a possibility is someone who you know is out of your league then yeah, you probably won't have the best luck. This guy was a dumbass for letting himself be used just because she was pretty. I'm through now.

From what I have seen of the comments, there is some confusion as to what "Nice Guy" means in this context. This article refers to the self proclaimed nice guys who refuse to understand that THEY are the reason that they can't get relationships to work.

It is possible to be a decent guy and be nice and also capable of having a healthy relationship and not be the kind of idiot described in the article. This article is meant to illustrate that just calling youself a nice guy does not automatically exempt you from taking responsibility for your relationships.

Of the people who are unable to have or keep a long term relationship, both male and female, the odds are that the problem is with them.

My friends and I have a little motto regarding girls in this matter

That motto?

"Be a dick, get a chick".. and this only reaffirms this statement

Damn son...

How much does anyone want to bet that this so-called "heartless biatch" will be whining for a man when she's pushing 40 and wanting a kid??

Hell, she's probably whining every day... "buy me this"
"buy me that"
"does my ass look fat in this?"
"you won't believe what nancy said to me today..."


--meanwhile I'm booking tickets to Costa Rica, just like SirChevron. I checked it out on www.worldsexguid.org -- he's right, the place is hoppin'.

make that *guide with an e

Damn, there goes my chances of bagging a heartless shrew.
/sarcasm

I'm a nice guy. Now that I've read that article, I am more determined to find that nice girl out there. I've dealt with heartless biatches in my life and wasted my time.

BTW, I hope the writer (a very loose term here) of this article (an even looser term) gets crotch cancer. But I'm not bitter. >;)

Typical farker response to article about how geeks make great lovers: "Best. Article. Ever."

Typical farker response to article about how nice guys are lousy lovers: "Worst. Article. Ever."

Hmm.

Flim Springfield

Ahh where to begin on this one:

The woman who wrote this article is right on one thing. Most women dont want a doormat for a boyfriend. Like you all have said, the term "nice guy" does not mean the same thing as complete wuss. I myself am a "nice guy." I also have alot of self confidence, but I am not an asshole.

This, my friends, is what women want. Self confidence without being an asshole. A nice guy. Sure we arent going to get stupid, superficial women like the one who wrote this, but do you really care? I sure dont.

Ive been with a beautiful, intelligent, funny, sexy young woman for a good long time now. Today was our 3 year anniversery. And I am a nice guy. So fellas, be self-confindent, be nice. Dont be an asshole. Ohh and avoid heartless biatches at all costs! Good luck amigos.

Spanky22

There's still some guys who would visit prostitues, because they're lazy or bored or really can't get laid any other way, but I'm pretty sure men would still seek out relationships with women. Just not sociopaths such as yourself.

Sociopath, eh? You're entitled to your idiocy. I feel more sorry for the next dumb bastard who has to listen to you blab over a $30 dinner for a chance to 'get some.'

this guy kills me.


Sir Chevron, I want to go with you to Costa Rica and learn the ways of the force (un)like my father. There's nothing for me here...

ah, fark that coont. she was generalising on a lot of what she said, and apparently she hasn't compared the pros and cons of dating a nice guy and dating a complete dick. maybe i am doomed, but fark it. i'd rather be alone than with a stupid coont. has anyone heard that marblehead johnson song "chicks dig jerks?" fark those biatches.
and yes, people are stupid, very, very stupid.

Don't be an a-hole, don't be a nice guy. Be a GOOD MAN.

--anonymous

Well, I haven't read the article because SOMEONE farked it before I could- you know who you are. But, from reading most of the 300 or so posts on here, I think I've gotten the gist of it.
First, to introduce myself to those of you who've read far enough down this post to get to me. I'm 21 (22 in September), and I am in no danger of losing my virginity. I've never had a girlfriend, and the one and only time I've even kissed a girl was in the 8th grade. I've been told by numerous female friends that I'm better-than-average-looking. I'm tall, 6'4", and not overweight. I consider myself to be relatively intelligent, and I have a sense of humor. And of course, I can be quoted as saying that "I am nothing if not a nice guy." And by comparison to many, many guys I know, I'm a farking prince of a guy. I've been turned down by... (stops to count) at least ten different girls, though maybe I'm forgetting someone. Most popular rejection line: "You're a nice guy, but..." I've had only a couple of actual "dates" some of which are debatable.
Now, in high school I went through a period when, due to a bout with severe clinical depression, I would deffinately have fit into the near-stalker category. At least with one girl who I'd built up in my mind to be the answer to all my problems (when she was really quite the opposite- you should be thanking me for not going into detail about this one. DEVIL WOMAN). But, after having gone through that and recovered from my depression, I am consiously aware that that sort of thing ain't healthy. So these days I'm not quite so pathetic, though I am still a bit on the needy side.
So my friends all tell me that my problems with getting women are mostly that a) I try too hard, and b) I'm too needy. What I don't understand is this: if a nice, better-than-average-looking girl with half a brain and a sense of humor tried hard to get MY attention, I'd be flattered, and would probably want to date her. Does that not work both ways?

I'm a confident nice guy. Where the hell do I fit in?

I don't know, talon, are you boring? Lotta time guys with clinical depression, as you refer to it, bore women. Get on an SSRI and brighten up a bit. mow some lawns to get some extra cash and go to a titty bar. Believe it or not, that will give you the confidence you need. Always remember: you don't need women. they are a luxury. an expensive luxury.

Talonpest, the best thing to do is RELAX and learn to be happy by yourself. Once you can do that, you will be in better shape for a healthy relationship. Don't obsess over what you aren't getting. People who can't get over the past tend to do lousy in relationships. And if a woman is really trying hard, too hard, to be in a relationship, that may not have a happy ending.

One of the best things I did for myself was take time off from even thinking about a relationship. I learned to enjoy being single and unattached, and this gave me perspective when I finally met the woman who is now my wife. Patience is very important in a relationship, and learning it BEFORE you get into one will definitely pay off.

Crap like that article may indicate why mail order bride sites are so popular. I'm not endorsing that strategy, I'm just saying.

What? Ladies, I'm sure you all don't let that crapy article speak for you.
Hey, I'm a very Nice guy. I'm liked.

SmoofyFuFu:
Ah, nice guys insult the appearance of women online? Sorry, didn't realize that was one of the traits of "nice men." You, I see, don't have a picture, which automatically means you're hideous and you're not brave enough to show it.
I find that when I'm complimenting farkers or talking about sex, they seem to be quite complimentary. Interesting.
As I said before, if the guys here who claim to be nice guys but are really flaming assholes are what the author means by "nice guys", she's completely right and her wisdom is lost on all of you sad farks.

And Sir Chevron-
My boyfriend (who introduced me to fark, thank him) of 3 yeas spent $80 on me tonight. Either I'm damn good in bed or he enjoys hearing me speak. Either way, I'm hardly bitter in the love department, unlike most of you. I am however, a heartless biatch to people who deserve it.

It's not that I get dumped because I'm a nice guy. It's just that I feel crappy afterward because I'm a nice guy, and that's not supposed to happen to me. Or, that I wasted my time being too nice.

Mike_M_33

You seem young from your pic, so I'll have to let your viewpoint of "reality" slide. Perhaps when you have a better world view you can comment again. See you in about 10-20 years.

yes, Mike, in the year 2002, I am posting to Fark at age 10 wearing a "She-ra Princess of Power" halloween costume.

it's a kiddie pic. it's called a "joke."

and i'm 22.

admittedly, i'm still very young and my opinions on life will probably have a lot more meaning behind them in 10-20 years... but screw it. IMO, what i said is true, and there's nothing wrong with it. Since you so adamantly disagreed with my statement, should we take it to mean that the only types of men that exist in the world are either "nice guys who just can't get a break" or "assholes who talk shiat and beat their women to within an inch of their lives?" The spectrum of humanity, on both sides of the coin, is much more broad than you appear to think, my friend.

conversely, not all women are "heartless biatches who want to crush you under their stilletto heels of might" or "teh bestest girl EVAR." do they not have shades of grey where you come from?

Yakkette, you're dating someone right now? That IS you in the picture in your profile, right..........?

Certainly, depressed people are boring as hell. When I was depressed I barely left my house if I could help it, barely talked to people I didn't know, and all I talked about with people I did know was my horrible life. Hell, I was sick of hearing myself biatch and moan about it, so they certainly must have been. But I've been through therapy, I've been on medication, and I haven't been depressed in over a year.

Am I boring now? Hard to say- I don't get up and juggle to entertain women, nor do I sit and tiwiddle my tumbs and wait for someone else to do something. I don't consider myself terribly dull. I mean, I have hobbies, I keep up with current events and I am opinionated as hell about them, I go out and party when the oppertunity arises...

As for learning to be happy with myself without a woman- well, I'm pretty satisfied with myself, but you can only kill so many kittens, you know? And after killing kitten after kitten after kitten, and all your friends are getting their kittens killed FOR them, well, you start to want someone to kill YOUR kittens for you, too. And maybe even killing someone else's kittens for once would be a nice change.

My boyfriend (who introduced me to fark, thank him) of 3 yeas spent $80 on me tonight. Either I'm damn good in bed or...

Gentlemen, here's the key. Nice... mean... don't mean nothin'. It's how much you spend on them.

300 posts, and the obvious keeps getting overlooked.

Nicoffeine-
That sounded bad because I forgot to include my whole relationship HISTORY in the post. Excuse me.
We were having steak tonight to celebrate my boyfriend doing well in the stock market, after 2 years of living on ramen. Well, not exactly that bad, but not a normal evening for us.
Hey, the money is a nice added bonus to a great guy, but not the reason. My guy would be a catch if he were a janitor.

Yakkette-
You are excused. You obviously found a good one.

hey, Talonpest... you don't look like you should have much trouble getting someone to commit kittenicide for you. you have a nice smile. do you have some kind of major deformity (i.e. more than two arms, a fetal sibling protruding from your stomach, anything like that)

Fetal sibling? I wish! Those things are chick magnets.
But yeah, see- yet another woman telling me that I can't use being hideously ugly as an excuse for my involentary virginity... which does not bode well for the ol' personality. It's amusing, in a way- back in high school, I used to think it was just the opposite, and that if girls would just get past my dorky looks, they were sure to like me as a person. Imagine my surprise to find that I'm actually devilishly handsome, just extremely annoying... Cursed double standard! If I were a hot but annoying woman I could get laid in an instant.

If you meet lots of "Nice Guys" who are losers, the only common denominator is you. Think about it.

*foams at farking mouth* fark it...me and krinkle are together with being misogynists...

Talonpest: Wow dude, you may well be my mirror image. What to do...

The "damage" that we face is we are stupid enough to believe that:
1.)there is someone out there for us
2.)they care
3.)we'll get one small piece of this f'ed up world right for us...

What I don't understand is this: if a nice, better-than-average-looking girl with half a brain and a sense of humor tried hard to get MY attention, I'd be flattered, and would probably want to date her. Does that not work both ways?

Ahhhhh, you would think so ... but there is this little thing called "the rules," and every time a guy thinks he's got "the rules" figured out, a woman goes and changes them. ;-)

Does not apply to me. I treat wimmen like the pigs they are ;)

You "Nice guys" need to graduate to "Good guys"

When you get there, you'll have figured out how to deal with the women you encounter.

When you're a "Nice guy" you're still haven't figured out who you are, and don't have enough confidence in yourself yet to go after what you want.

That's okay. You'll get there.

If you're 22 and worried you'll never find a woman because you're a nice guy and nice guys always get screwed...relax. You've got plenty of time to continue screwing up. Don't just take what you can get. Don't settle for some girl because she's easy on the eyes and she puts up with you.

Some guys will be eternal doormats, being just as insecure as the poor b.astards that the article describes. Most of you will have some experiences, realize you're worth something and get some confidence. Then you gt to be good guys instead of nice guys.

Then, when you meet a woman you're interested in, you'll be able to date her and enjoy the experience...instead of constantly worrying being abandoned.

If you're constantly describing yourself as a nice guy, you might not want to trust your own judgement when it comes to women. IF women describe you as a friend...then be a friend. Find someone else to date. That's code for "I ain't interested, but don't want to hurt your feelings."

When you graduate to "good guy" you'll be able to move on and look elsewhere instead of clinging to the hope that she'll change her mind if you treat her like a princess.

When you can be confident in yourself AND be humble about it--then you'll be a good guy. Some people might descibe you as nice, but you'll know differently.

'Nice' is a weak word. Nice people don't offend. Good people feed starving children and rescue little girls' cats out of trees. Big difference.

The article is right: nice guy = immature wuss who wishes he had the confidence to treat women as equals.

If you think you're a nice guy. Forget about dating for a while. Do something worthwhile. Get good at something (learn Spanish, play the guitar, hang glide--something). Do something for someone who you don't expect anything in return from (all that nice guy gift buying and 'you decide, dear" always comes with some expectations), and you'll begin to feel like more of a man--then someone worthwhile might have some interest in you.

And don't be in such a damn hurry--women can sense desperation the way dogs smell fear. It just makes them mad and disgusts them.

There are great women out there. So hold out for one. I did--let me tell you, it's worth it.

Talonpest: Do you have many interests or hobbies? If all you do is go to parties, watch tv and talk about your opinion, you need a little more to attract a lady.. Learn to play an instrument, paint, play a sport, anything that would make you a more interesting person. I think Gonadotron made a good point about being boring. If all you do is mope and worry about why chicks like you, chicks won't :) You need a passion other than getting a chick.
I met my boyfriend because he played in a local band, and I was really impressed by his interest in music and talent in playing the guitar. I doubt I would have met him otherwise. Would I still love him if he didn't play guitar? Of course I would now, but I may not have gotten to know him if he didn't have a passion. Relationships aren't just about "being there" and sex, you've got to bring something to it, something that will make the woman's life more interesting. There should be something about you that sets you apart from all the other guys out there.Forget about whether or not you're handsome or if a woman can get past your dorkiness. It sounds like she'd be doing you a favor. There are plenty of men out there who aren't considered attractive that have girlfriends.
Also - are you expecting to date a gorgeous woman? If you want a woman to get past your "dorky" looks, maybe you need to get past their's.

Maggatola is 100% on target. It's semantics - I'm nice, but am I a nice guy according to this article? No way. I'm nice, confident and easy going, and I'm what Maggatola would qualify as a "good guy," but the proof is in the pudding as they say. I'm sure many "nice guys" have girlfriends or get dates, it's just that you have to find a chick with equal insecurity or a really shy girl and then you'll have no problems. Unfortunately, due to decline in natural selection, there's someone out there for everyone - nice guys, shy people, nancy-boys, idiots, retards, criminals and mental cases alike.