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(Miami Herald)   If you're a white town manager, don't call your black assistant "mammy". If you get caught, don't apologize by saying that you love Aunt Jemima   (miami.com) divider line 167
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2006-11-26 11:05:13 AM  
mindbuzz
Good, I'm glad you think that way. See, here is where the fun begins. It is perfectly fine for allanhowls to say that all white people watch Jerry Springer before they go to their jobs, yet it is a racist remark for me to say that black people smoke Swisher sweets . Let me get that perfectly clear, I hope that is how I am understanding you. If that makes me racist, fine. Again the dichotomy there is astounding. He can make a generalization about my race, but as soon as I make a generalization about his race and I am the majority, I am a racist. Thank you for allowing me to understand the retardedness of political correctness.
 
2006-11-26 11:09:42 AM  
planes

When I was a kid in the 1940's our local supermarket had "Aunt Jemima" cooking pancakes and promoting their product... She just happened to be black, which didn't mean a thing to me, she was "Aunt Jemima".

Try that promotion today. I'm amazed they can still use the name and image.


They really don't use the old Aunt Jemima image anymore. Check out a bottle of syrup. The do-rag's gone, they added some earrings... Aunt Jemima looks more like Oprah than the Aunt Jemima you remember.

Anyhow...

i6.photobucket.com

Al Jolson approves.
 
2006-11-26 11:10:04 AM  
this is not in bad taste at all.
 
2006-11-26 11:12:41 AM  
www.bluffton.edu
 
2006-11-26 11:13:43 AM  
GoSurfing

I'm thinking that allanhowls is a white guy. He also said, "...most poor white folk will watch...". So, no, he did not impugn all white people. I think it is fine that you are proud to be a racist. It is a free country.
 
2006-11-26 11:16:11 AM  
Day_Old_Dutchie:
Change the "O" in her name to "A".
-------

I know from funny. That's funny.
 
2006-11-26 11:16:19 AM  
Also mindbuzz :
"I don't think that you want to believe that racism is alive and well in America and it does keep people down and it is a negative and ugly stain on our society"

Please give me clear and concise examples of how, right now in 2006, we are "keeping people down". Last time I checked everyone above 18 had the right to vote. Last time I checked employers cannot discrimate based on race, sex, religion, etc.... So what is this inequality you speak of, I thought it has been gone for about 40+ years. This is why I don't understand the need for affirmative action.
 
2006-11-26 11:16:22 AM  
www.portcityunderground.com
 
2006-11-26 11:21:25 AM  
GoSurfing

Employers do discriminate based on race, sex, religion each and every day. Just because they don't get caught or it doesn't get reported doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You need to grow-up and think a little deeper about race relations and racism and maybe you will see it for all of its unvarnished ugliness. As for now, you are just another proud racist.
 
2006-11-26 11:24:57 AM  
GoSurfing

Personally, it comforts me to know that people like you exist. People who demand equality for all. However, AA exist just because 40+ was just not enough time to make a equal playing field.

More and more blacks are want the extermination AA, but they also see the use of it for this generation. After this generation is past and gone, so will (in theory) the need for AA.

Is it fair? Hell no, but then again, ask any black man who has to work 3x as hard as his white counterparts to be successful, what he or she thinks of the concept of fairness.

/patience
 
2006-11-26 11:27:40 AM  
mindbuzz
Sorry but you coulnd't be further from the truth. I know you get all tingly inside when you think you are right, but no. I said if your perception of me what that I was racist, then fine. Which means if you think I am, well think whatever the hell you want, because I could care less. Go ahead, label me however you want, you don't know me and you can only perceive what I am. If being a racist means you believe every human being was created equal, then good... I am being called racist because I believe that the governent shouldn't give preferential treatment.I have said about 4 times now in my posts that every man was created equal...go back and look dipshiat... You need to grow up and think a little deeper before you label someone you don't know, based on what they have said on the internet. As for now, you are just an intolerant, ignorant fool.
 
2006-11-26 11:27:58 AM  
GoSurfing: A black boy born into this world has just as much a chance to excel as a white boy

If only that were trye. Can you tell me what redlining is perchance? Why is it that incarceration rates (compared to arrest and conviction rates) are so much higher for blacks than whites?

This is America, if you want to succeed, you can. If you work hard enough for what you want, you'll get

If you're born to the right family, have the right connections, and have enough money. And herein is the real point...it's more class than race. It just becomes easier to make sure one group of peopple is poor when they're differentiated by hue.

If you think that a black man has the same chances as a white man, then I encourage you to try to live as one for a year. See how much you get followed by police or security. Go try to find a job or a place to live (again, tell us about redlining, if you don't think overt, institutionalized racism exists today). You won't find the doors nearly as wide-open as you seem to think they are.
 
2006-11-26 11:30:57 AM  
GoSurfing: I am being called racist because I believe that the governent shouldn't give preferential treatment

No, you're being called a racist because you think the preferential treatment being given to the majority, day in and day out, needs no balancing force. You're pissed because someone's race is being excluded, instead of included. After all, no white folks seemed to mind when when their skin color got them their jobs for the last 100 years or so.
 
2006-11-26 11:31:00 AM  
Is it fair? Hell no, but then again, ask any black man who has to work 3x as hard as his white counterparts to be successful, what he or she thinks of the concept of fairness.
Stop right there. Don't even give me that shiat. Don't say that because you know it isn't true. I don't want to hear that shiat because again, as I said earlier I do work on construction sites...so people of all races suck at working and some excel as I said earlier. What you just said is why I hate affirmative action. No race works any harder than any other race. We're equal. So I don't understand affirmative action.
 
2006-11-26 11:31:31 AM  
GoSurfing

No, you are being racist because you think all black people are lazy and that they smoke Swisher Sweets while waiting for a handout from the man. That is what drives you, not equality for everybody. You know this.
 
2006-11-26 11:33:32 AM  
GoSurfing: No race works any harder than any other race. We're equal. So I don't understand affirmative action.

You fail to understand that the whole reason Affirmative action exists is precisely because of people who think that blacks or Latinos or whomever will not work as hard or be as honest (or are just less desirable overall) than white folks. Due to this, minorities don't get hired. Affirmative Action ensures that the bosses don't get away with pulling shiat like that. By opposing that law, you are putting yourself in a position of agreement with the discriminators.
 
2006-11-26 11:34:07 AM  
allanhowls
"You're pissed because someone's race is being excluded, instead of included."

Ok going by that logic then, black people shouldn't have been mad that they were being excluded with civil rights??!? Well that is your logic anyhow.
 
2006-11-26 11:36:58 AM  
GoSurfing

You are entitled to believe what you believe but, AA just did not spring up from no where. Read up on its history, then maybe you can have something to use against AA instead of just using "Where I work....".
 
2006-11-26 11:40:48 AM  
So let me ask you guys this: what happens when the employer is black? You guys act as if every business owner in the world is a white man. We are the majority, but it can't apply in every situation. So what happens when the employer is black, and he hires all black employees? Is that discrimation, or is that "giving back to the community" or is that some other sort of racism?
/curious
 
2006-11-26 11:40:52 AM  
GoSurfing is just parrotting the wacko right-wing talking point that it is racists to believe that Affirmative Action needs to be in place in order for black people to get jobs. Like they can't do it on their own. So really, he is the enlightened one and those that see a need for Affirmative Action are the true racists.
 
2006-11-26 11:45:01 AM  
Ahhh...oohhh...the old "reverse racism" card is in play now. Always the sign of somebody trying to justify their own racists feelings.
 
2006-11-26 11:46:24 AM  
I am seriously asking your opinion...would you label that instance as discrimination or not?....I am curious...
 
2006-11-26 11:47:13 AM  
Gosurfing

In that situation, AA would come into play as well.

/It does happen though
//But it is rare
 
2006-11-26 11:49:22 AM  
I didn't know that AA played that way as well, interesting.
 
2006-11-26 11:50:26 AM  
GoSurfing

I think the employer has to have more than 50 employees and do some work with the govenrment for AA to come into play. If the black man did not hire white men just because they are white he could probably get into a little trouble.
 
2006-11-26 11:54:36 AM  
This reminds me of the Russian TA we had in one of my undergrad classes at USC (the real USC in South Carolina). One of my classmates asked her why she decided to go to school in SC. The TA said it was because she saw 'Gone With the Wind' and everyone looked so happy on the plantations. It was at that time that the black students offered her a quick history lesson on why the black people on the plantations WERE NOT happy with the situation. The TA must have missed the whole Civil War part, obviously.

Some people are just inept when it comes to racial sensitivity, I think.
 
2006-11-26 11:56:54 AM  

Ummm I don't think the vast majority of people know this...and wtf is pickaninny?


Dunno. I had to look them both up. If they want these words to be forgotten why do they keep bringing them up?
 
2006-11-26 11:58:56 AM  
The number of people espousing the idea that the white race deserves a backlash is a little worrisome. Isn't that... racism? No one in my family has ever owned slaves. Even if my great-great-grandparents had, I'm not sure how you could hold that against me and my children. Nobody gets to pick their ancestors or their ancestors' deeds.

Look, I hate to side with GoSurfing, who (racist or not) is a bit of an asshat, but Affirmative Action has the potential to do a lot of damage and should be viewed as a temporary necessary evil, not the way of the future. But I'll bet the house that my grandchildren will still be dealing with this BS: what race and sex they are will still, one way or the other, have some bearing on whether they get hired or accepted to university. AA, like any bureaucratic movement, isn't going to go away. No bureaucracy ever exterminates itself. All we've done--I'll bet the house--is added a new twist to the neverending ribbon of bigotry that threads the tapestry of history, when what we need is a pair of scissors.
 
2006-11-26 12:00:05 PM  
Well sorry to mods because I haven't been on topic this whole time, but seriously I think that the town manager should lose their job. Seriously, I wouldn't call someone working for me anything but their name. It is a matter of respect. Treat someone with the amount of respect you would wish to be treated with.
 
2006-11-26 12:05:30 PM  
'As most everyone knows, a `Mammy' (including Aunt Jemima) is a derogatory persona invented by whites to represent the black female servant,'
planes is right. Aunt Jemima was a real living person. An actrss hired t promote the pancake mix. She came to our town and made panckaes for people who came out of the hills to meet a living icon.
She was treated as royalty and as a member of our family, who hosted her stay. My grandmother was the only one in town who wouldn't cross the street to meet her, having passed as white all her life.
My grandmother was a bit of a bigot and didn't want anyone to know she was not white.
Sadly, it was hard t hide either her african elements or her Jewish elements as she made the most wonderful sould food and kosher food in town.
Some things you just can't hide from the butcher.
 
2006-11-26 12:06:22 PM  
Never gonna forgive her for taking the recipie for spoon bread to the grave.
 
2006-11-26 12:18:22 PM  
What's spoon bread?
 
2006-11-26 12:21:35 PM  
Cornbread in a casseroole that is so falling apart you have to eat it with a spoon.
Dang good drowned in butter.
 
2006-11-26 12:24:37 PM  
SHe made a rum raisin pudding with 151 dark and a hard sauce with 151 light to serve on top.
The pudding was served hot and the cold sauce on top would melt down on it.
Wew could have this alcoholic treat for dessert after a long day of running outside, and playing games like tag, and dodge ball. After dessert, we were pretty much ready for bed.
 
2006-11-26 12:28:30 PM  
sounds good. With the topic though, I see how the manager stirred this commotion. For instance in the movie Forrest Gump, they depicted Bubba's mother (and actually her family beyond) as being servants for white people in this regard. It is understandable how the woman wouldn't accept the lame ass apology and be offended at this. I just don't understand how a person in power says something so stupid. I have said stupid shiat in this thread, I agree, but I am not someone in power who has a responsibility. I am an asshat on the internets.
 
2006-11-26 12:29:36 PM  
151 rum raisin pudding, sounds like a party.
 
2006-11-26 12:31:30 PM  
Most of my clients are black women.
All of them have come to expect me to address them as Ma'm.
Unless they are offended, and they correct me if they are, they just espect me so say yess'm and no ma'm when having a conversation.
I would expect a sir when dealing with customer service, as well, but seldom get that.
Maybe our company just does it right.
 
2006-11-26 12:32:34 PM  
What is funny is that this thread seems to be more sexist than racist. The fact that 90% of all people posting DRTFA and ASSUMED that the person was MALE. In fact, the racist in question is FEMALE.

very odd.
 
2006-11-26 12:33:06 PM  
/listenting to teh "adequate Ettiquite song" on Prarie home.
 
2006-11-26 12:35:54 PM  
Completely didn't see this in the farking article at the very bottom:
"Last month, Ralph Arza stepped down from the state House of Representatives following a complaint that he had used racial epithets to describe Miami Dade Schools Superintendent Rudy Crew, who is black. Arza denied using the racially insensitive words about Crew, but later called the state legislator who filed the complaint against him ''my attractive and successful African-American'' and ''biatch'' in voice-mail messages."

WTF!? How could you be that crazy/stupid? You know you are throwing your job away at that point...
 
2006-11-26 12:54:58 PM  
Yo Aunt Jemama is so black and teeth so yellow

/ Dat she looks like a friggin cheese burger.
 
2006-11-26 01:07:50 PM  
As a child I thought Aunt Jemima was married to Uncle Ben
 
2006-11-26 01:12:47 PM  
GoSurfing:

Dude, do you have a problem with the <b> tag?

You still don't get the point. A black boy born into this world has just as much a chance to excel as a white boy. There is no need for the government to intervene and give your race a helping hand. That shows your race is incapable of succeeding on their own. This is America, if you want to succeed, you can.


If you work hard enough for what you want, you'll get it If you want to go to Princeton, then you need to have a 4.0 and awesome SAT score....everyone knows that.


Actually, a kid is suing Princeton because he had a 4.0 and near perfect SAT score (2350/2400) and *didn't* get in. It takes a hell of a lot more than grades and test scores. Oh, and Princeton is private--they can and do whatever the hell they want regarding admissions, including taking students with lower than average grades/test scores just because they happen to be minorities. Ahh, the wonders of privately-owned corporations--free to practice affirmative action!


I am not proud of being white, you are not understanding my point.

Why not? I'm half white (Norwegian) and proud as hell of that. I'm also proud of the Mexican side of me.


I work on construction sites douche, I am not blowing smoke out my ass. While your guys are smoking Swisher sweets sitting on their ass whining about how hot it is, I am farking working. You are the type of person who feels entitled to help from the government.

I haven't the foggiest idea of what a Swisher sweet is. My dad worked (and still works) construction. I have worked many indoor and outdoor menial physical labor jobs, but now I work a nice indoors job. I work my ass off, 60+ hours/week, and NO air-conditioning, but it beats the hell out of construction work. And know what? I DO feel entitled to help from the government. I pay property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, and taxes I probably don't even realize exist. In return, I expect a fair government who listens to its citizens. I expect clean water and air. I expect a functional transportation system. I expect due process of law. And I expect free and universally-available education for all citizens to the age of 18, and after that, I expect low-cost education so that many of the lower classes (including those in the area in which I teach) can learn more and not only develop their skills in order to get a higher-paying (and higher-taxpaying!) job, but also to become more educated about being members of a democratic society.

I expect a hell of a lot of my government, for what I pay into it.


Remember FDR: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"? I don't want help from anyone, ever.
Didn't want help from teachers, either? That was JFK who said that.


I want to be a self-made man. You want a handout. You want an advantage because you are too lazy. Affirmative Action does not work against the hundreds of years of inequality, it is a simple handout for being lazy.

Well, if you think about it, affirmative action won't help lazy people either, because those who are sitting around waiting for a handout won't go out and look for positions that are hiring based on affirmative-action preferences.
 
2006-11-26 01:13:12 PM  
I never saw Aunt Jemima as a racist figure. Hell, I don't even think I realized she was supposed to be black. (I just saw the syrup bottles.) She was just a nice ole lady.

I love fat old black women, anyway. Chris Rock was saying he likes them because they're 300 pounds, they get all dressed up, and they KNOW they're sexy, goddammit :P
 
2006-11-26 01:42:00 PM  
h to the 'ojo: Not everything has to be racist hilary and havesometea

While this is true it doesn't apply here. "Slave in a box" came out around the turn of the century I believe. And featured a black person on the box soooooo.....your analogy falls flat against that.
 
2006-11-26 01:42:15 PM  
lady_nocturne
I am not proud of being white because pride is hubris. Hubris is a sense of superiority. I don't feel superior in anyway. We all eat, shiat, and die. In fact I am probably one of the most humble people you'd ever meet. You are right I misquoted "the only thing we have to fear but fear itself", You got me it was JFK, honest mistake. Let me clarify something else, and many of you will see it as weakness or putting a foot in my mouth...but I can honestly say I wish I could have worded my initial inflammatory comment better. I shouldn't have even jumped the topic of AA, should have stayed on topic. It is irritating though to be painted something you are not, but it is understandable when you say the crazy shiat I said. About the article, I actually agree with the actions that the woman is taking... I understand what you have to say, I guess it is just a difference in philosophy at this point.
 
2006-11-26 02:00:36 PM  
I'm not a racist, that's what's so insane about this.
 
2006-11-26 02:01:28 PM  
I've never heard that term in my life.

But now I want some pancakes.
 
2006-11-26 02:04:16 PM  
Stereotypes abound, even in this very thread. As pointed out above: how many people who didn't read the article & assumed the bigot was male?

Fact is, calling an African-American woman "mammy" is only offensive if she chooses to take offense. Words only have the power that the listener endows them.
 
2006-11-26 02:06:44 PM  
With the theme and all being racist grocery items...I can't believe no one in the thread has commented on what brazil nuts were sold and marketed as until the late 1950's...
 
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