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(Canada.com)   In Canada, if someone breaks into your house don't defend yourself or you may go to jail   (canada.com) divider line 268
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2006-11-25 01:21:58 AM
Isn't that what happens in California and UK as well?
 
2006-11-25 01:22:22 AM
Nice country you have up there.
 
2006-11-25 01:23:01 AM
Excellent, I can give a hometown shout-out to Burlington!
 
2006-11-25 01:23:52 AM
bah, i guess the lesson here is to cut up the body in pieces and dispose of the garbage then.
 
2006-11-25 01:24:20 AM
Canada, you suck. But keep pumping that oil for my H2, biatch.
 
2006-11-25 01:24:36 AM
Might I add that this is the only newsworthy item to come out of this place since Paul Bernardo. We are really getting ourselves on the map.
 
2006-11-25 01:24:46 AM
Well, if they give you an XBox and an inflatable sumo suit in Canadian jail, then it can't be all that bad.
 
2006-11-25 01:26:44 AM
Score one for socialized medicine!
/what?
 
2006-11-25 01:27:15 AM
fark the maple leafs
 
2006-11-25 01:27:16 AM
Skinink

I saw a special on Canadian "Jails".... they're basically hotels setup like dorms and you can come and go as you please.
 
2006-11-25 01:28:25 AM
That's why America got rid of the Monarchy. What if the Queen stumbled into your house all drunk? And you shot her thinking she was going to steal your plasma television? But really she just stumbled into your house accidentally. You gonna take that chance? No! You're gonna shoot her before she steals your plasma TV and that's that.
 
2006-11-25 01:28:43 AM
Yes you *may* face criminal charges. It depends though - you are allowed to defend yourself but only as much as the attacker gave you. Say if an attacker gives you a black eye, you are not allowed to pummel him to death. Sort of an "eye for an eye" type law.
 
2006-11-25 01:29:10 AM
reed got a point, yo
 
2006-11-25 01:29:11 AM
"And I guess that is your accomplice in the wood chipper."
 
2006-11-25 01:29:30 AM
that dog don't hunt here in te-haus
 
2006-11-25 01:30:22 AM
Self defence has never been a sure thing, and btw thanks for the generalization smitty. However after reading the article, I don't see how the home-owner could be charged. He didn't kill the guy, just beat the crap outta him. I guess I'm not ready to defend some drunken 16 year old punk from a scared Dad defending his family.
 
2006-11-25 01:30:31 AM
I agree that there should be some form of grey area involved, otherwise you will have people who think it is ok to just shoot people who wander on to thier property, even if they are just passing through and mean no harm...this obviously isnt acceptable.

that is why there is a court system, to interpret the law as it applies on a case by case basis. Anyone who kills another human being should be tried in a court of law regardless of the circumstances, just like in the examples the article gives. If the system works and it really was an issue of self defense then there is nothing to worry about.
 
2006-11-25 01:31:40 AM
You mean murder is actually illegal in that country?! THOSE FASCISTS.
 
2006-11-25 01:32:03 AM
The brave Canadians are off in Afghanistan, doing a mighty fine job. The rest of them are in Ottawa, passing utterly retarded laws that make homeowners into criminals.
 
2006-11-25 01:34:27 AM
TripleK: You mean murder is actually illegal in that country?! THOSE FASCISTS.

DIAF commie
 
2006-11-25 01:34:42 AM
Way to read your own reality into the article smitty. First let me say, the National Post is Canada's print version of America's Fox news.

The article, while written to make it seem like the mean ole vicious liberals don't want you defending your home, is actually talking about where it stops being legal to kick the living shiat out of an attacker. Ie, once you got the guy down, you can't then take the pliers and blowtorch to him. It is not saying you don't have a right to defend yourself.

But he said the provisions can be distilled down to two basic principles: self-defence applies when a person has a reasonable belief he or she is in danger of serious injury or death and when the force he or she uses to repel an attack is not "excessive."

"When Parliament uses the word 'excessive' it doesn't mean you have to measure to a nicety the amount of force you use," Mr. Anand said.

"So for instance if someone is coming at you with a knife and saying 'I'm going to kill you,' you don't have to shoot them in the hand. You can shoot them in the chest."
 
2006-11-25 01:34:55 AM
I'm pretty easy-going on 99% of things, but if someone BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, you have the right to use any means to defend yourself.
 
2006-11-25 01:35:44 AM
Another Burlington native giving a shout out.

This guy was on the front page of our local free rag. He looks like a total douche.
 
2006-11-25 01:36:13 AM
Andralynn: Yes you *may* face criminal charges. It depends though - you are allowed to defend yourself but only as much as the attacker gave you. Say if an attacker gives you a black eye, you are not allowed to pummel him to death. Sort of an "eye for an eye" type law.

That's not true, and I don't know why so many people think it is. This law would be very unfair for women and the elderly and just about anybody thats not a large man.

If you have the reasonable belief that you are in danger, you are allowed to do what you can to disable the person to remove the danger. It's when it's obvious that you went further than simply disabling that you may face criminal charges, and if the beating was really as bad as the article implies, the man should have been able to do so with a lot less force.
 
2006-11-25 01:37:39 AM
nano

I'm pretty easy-going on 99% of things, but if someone BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, you have the right to use any means to defend yourself.

You should clearly leave your doors unlocked and the lights on. Otherwise the intruder may injure themselves attempting to break in and that's a lawsuit.
 
2006-11-25 01:39:50 AM
I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

Having said that, most of the time in cases like this, the prosecutor won't press charges.

However, if an unarmed kid wanders into your house and you proceed to fire 41 shots at him, hitting him 19 times when he was only trying to show you his wallet, you'll probably end up in jail.

/or you'll be acquitted
 
2006-11-25 01:40:35 AM
It's this weird over-reaction to the old criminal system we had back in the first half of the century. Beatings, whipping, execution by hanging, flogging, what have you... it was all very brutal. But then some uptight Member of Parliament woman came in and started being all "you call THIS normal?" when holding up a leather strap used to beat prisoners.

Now we seem so afraid to mistreat anyone in prison, there's basically no real punishment from the system.

Now, the other prisoners, on the the other hand...
 
2006-11-25 01:40:38 AM
Cali is the same. Don't bother to defend yourself, just roll over and take it.
 
2006-11-25 01:41:32 AM
I avoid the whole situation by posting signs that only hot women dressed in nurse/maids/lingerie outfits can break into my house. It's win-win for everyone.
 
2006-11-25 01:41:41 AM
www.clock.org
At least the milk comes in bags in Canada.
 
2006-11-25 01:41:43 AM
submitter: don't defend yourself or you may go to jail

Not before I put some lumps on that sorry MoFo's ass with a bat.
 
2006-11-25 01:41:50 AM
fenian-The article, while written to make it seem like the mean ole vicious liberals don't want you defending your home, is actually talking about where it stops being legal to kick the living shiat out of an attacker. Ie, once you got the guy down, you can't then take the pliers and blowtorch to him. It is not saying you don't have a right to defend yourself.

The mean ole vicious liberals don't want you defending your home, being criminals, they care more about the welfare of criminals than the welfare of honest citizens.

If someone breaks into your home, and does not do as you say, then you are morally within your rights to beat the person to death, because the justice system will do nothing to keep these people from breaking into someone elses home and stealing their playstation 3's and nintendo wii's and porcelain horse statues.

If someone broke into my home I would assume they were dangerous crack or meth addicts and stab them in the eyes, then stab them in the heart cause if they stay alive they could sue me for making them blind, which is entirely their fault for pissing me off, but if i kill them, then no worries.
 
2006-11-25 01:41:59 AM
The guy who breaks into a house starts the incident. The homeowner who puts the guy down ends it. That's the way it works. Don't want to get your ass beat down like a punk? Stay out of homes that aren't yours. It really is that simple. Stay out of homes that aren't yours and there'll be no need for prosecutors and juries to decide whether the force used was excessive. (And for what it's worth, if I'm ever on your jury...it wasn't.)

By any means necessary, dawg.
 
2006-11-25 01:42:27 AM
nano


I'm pretty easy-going on 99% of things, but if someone BREAKS INTO YOUR HOUSE, you have the right to use any means to defend yourself.


Yes. And despite the moronic headline, this is in fact allowed in Canada.
 
2006-11-25 01:43:33 AM
To continue with the quote fenian-
""So for instance if someone is coming at you with a knife and saying 'I'm going to kill you,' you don't have to shoot them in the hand. You can shoot them in the chest."

On the other hand, if a victim knocks out an assailant and proceeds to kick the attacker to death, that could be considered excessive, Mr. Anand said.""

An excellent example of the 16yold Ninja...
or do Fathers with children have an extra eccentive to not only subdue an individual but to beat them beyond as well?
 
2006-11-25 01:44:25 AM
my dog barks at anything that enters our culdesac, friend or foe.

on her bark i have my 1911 ready, with a mossberg 500 under my bed.

anyone unauthorized enters my house, no one is left to litigate.
 
2006-11-25 01:44:57 AM
USA Jr. always makes me laugh.
 
2006-11-25 01:46:26 AM
You can really tell which FARKERs did NOT RTFA.

Or lack reading comprehension skills.
 
2006-11-25 01:46:34 AM
bmihura:

"Cali is the same. Don't bother to defend yourself, just roll over and take it."

How so?
 
2006-11-25 01:46:38 AM
The Damned
It was all very brutal. But then some uptight Member of Parliament woman came in and started being all "you call THIS normal?" when holding up a leather strap used to beat prisoners.

Now we seem so afraid to mistreat anyone in prison, there's basically no real punishment from the system.


I blame Agnes Macphail as well, she really ruined things. Prisoners do NOT deserve compassion, they deserve to be whipped, kept in inhumane conditions, and urinated upon until they realise that they deserve it for littering, or whatever offence they have caused. But that's what happens when you give women the vote.
 
2006-11-25 01:47:04 AM
frupert the nude apricot

on her bark i have my 1911 ready, with a mossberg 500 under my bed.

I misread that as under your pillow. And I thought to myself, damn, he must have a big ass pillow.
 
2006-11-25 01:48:17 AM
Andralynn

So how do you "dead" someone if they "dead" you first?
 
2006-11-25 01:49:19 AM
MBA Whore

Since you asked, Californians are not allowed to defend themselves with firearms or even pointy sticks. Read teh Cali rules, that's why I refused a high-paying job there.
 
2006-11-25 01:50:03 AM
This is a followup from an article a couple days ago - the original actually states that they won't let the homeowner charge the teen for breaking and entering.

So not only is this bastard not getting charged, the guy who defends his home could serve time?

Shame on you, canucks. For shame.
 
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2006-11-25 01:51:19 AM
2006-11-25 01:28:25 AM Reed Solomon

That's why America got rid of the Monarchy. What if the Queen stumbled into your house all drunk? And you shot her thinking she was going to steal your plasma television? But really she just stumbled into your house accidentally. You gonna take that chance? No! You're gonna shoot her before she steals your plasma TV and that's that.


This is the best thing ever.
 
2006-11-25 01:53:10 AM
emjaymj: If you have the reasonable belief that you are in danger, you are allowed to do what you can to disable the person to remove the danger. It's when it's obvious that you went further than simply disabling that you may face criminal charges, and if the beating was really as bad as the article implies, the man should have been able to do so with a lot less force.

So the criminal can simply pretend to be knocked unconscious, and the homeowner is required by law to stop hitting him. Then when the homeowner takes a couple steps back, the criminal pulls out his knife or gun and attacks. Nice law.
 
2006-11-25 01:53:37 AM
Stay out of homes that aren't yours and there'll be no need for prosecutors and juries to decide whether the force used was excessive.

but in the real world it isnt as black and white as that. For example, this morning at 4am i was trying to wake my lazy ass friend up to get in line to buy a nintendo wii. In order to do this i opened a window i knew was unlocked and proceeded to wake his ass up. Ive been told i can do this, he has given me permission. Now what if his roomate had percieved me as a threat and blown my head off without thinking twice? Wouldnt you agree thats a little excessive?

I know you dont feel this way, but i think taking another persons life is only acceptable in very very very rare cicumstances. The good lord taught us to have respect for ouir fellow humans whether they respect us or not. Its funny that many people will ignore this part of thier religion in favor of a made up doctrine about hating the gays.

/go figure.
 
2006-11-25 01:53:44 AM
I look at it this way, and tell my wife the same thing.

If you're in my home, and you're not supposed to be there, I have one rule.

Hit it until it stops moving.

Just because a guy is down doesn't mean he's not capable of getting back up or drawing a weapon. I don't know karate, or have a gun, or any kind of restraints, so I'm ill prepared to deal with something that isn't incapacitated.

Note that I'm also lacking in medical knowledge, so it's hard for me to tell if it is faking. Best to hit it till it stops breathing.

/yes, if you break into my house you are an "it"
//anyone who breaks into a home with children is not human in my eyes.
///pre-emptive DIAF for those who think I'm in the wrong.
 
2006-11-25 01:54:03 AM
Dr_Grinch

I love his stern look standing on guard in front of his family. He has turned himself into a real attention whore, I don't think there is a single talk show in southern Ontario I haven't heard him on.
 
2006-11-25 01:54:48 AM
Reed Solomon
...right and when they are released later they are going to be darling angels...
or how bout even sicker then they ever were.
 
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