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2006-11-22 01:53:52 PM
Humean_Nature: Could it be that this religious strife business is just a cover for who has the best honey/wheat/nut culinary combination?

In that case, I'll start supporting the terrorists.
 
2006-11-22 01:54:05 PM
Tatsuma

I've got it now!
There can never be anything good about something that you judge to be evil and never any evil in that which you judge to be good.

What do I win?

What color is the sky in your black and white world?
 
2006-11-22 01:54:11 PM
Tatsuma

It is sooooo easy to "blame America first". I've read your post and you should really try to broaden your thinking a bit. If you are under 25 I take that back, it won't happen for a few years.
 
2006-11-22 01:54:56 PM
san_mal
So suggesting a group that enjoys attacking your country needs to smoke a joint and relax is peddleing hate?
 
2006-11-22 01:55:28 PM
Tatsuma: I'd say that's pretty much the best way to describe it.

I'd say it's a necessary part of the process. It's not nice to see, but I don't think you can jump from a mediaval hellhole to a modern and respected member of the international community without all the nasty stuff.
 
2006-11-22 01:55:41 PM
canyoneer - there goes the nice discussion we were having. You could have made a valid point about the mistreatment of Native Americans and how their trials have been overlooked by modern americans, but instead you just said "I'm a tool! I'm a tool, I'm a tool I'm a tool! TOOOOL!"

I suggest that your advice to Tatsuma be reciprocated to yourself on your way out of this thread.
 
2006-11-22 01:56:31 PM
Tatsuma: Awesome indeed! One year, I want to be at 770 when it happens. I hear it's just wild

Don't dispair; Purim is coming soon (they space 'em apart to let your liver recover).

Have you ever been to 770?
 
2006-11-22 01:56:34 PM
And this is different from the USA how? ever hear of Mexicans?

The Mexican branch of my family got here one generation agao, and they are all successful professionals.

Of course, great-uncle Juan came here legally, and didn't sneak in with stolen SSN.
 
2006-11-22 01:56:56 PM
Ok the terrorist supporters are comming in late but have shown up in force, now the real thread begins!

Its like Godzilla vs. Mothra, Rodan and the Local SDF, still no sign of King Kong or Mecha-Kong.

/letsGedditOn!
 
2006-11-22 01:57:05 PM
chaddsfarkprefect: When I say that, I am only referring to the beaches. Would the term "Paradise" refer to anything other than relatively minute specifics on this earth?

I wasn't talking about you in particular, mate, it was a general observation about Western society

canyoneer:

Way to turn a humorous commentary about the American society into something it's not

We're having a nice discussion, don't you join it?


wingnutx: Oh, I was just making a list specific to Lebanon, but if we want to list Hizbullah-related horrors, we're not done yet


Humean_Nature: I'm like a dreadnaught for semantics.

Would you call yourself anti-semantics?

lilplatinum: But how do we get them to use the blankets, isnt it pretty warm over there?

Good idea. And we could exchange their black gold against a few furs and mirrors, too!

Uncle Karl: Sorry, about that I assumed they were illegal workers. You know what happens when you assume.

No problems

Mr Sunshine: We need more hash in the middle east. Now THERE'S a peace process I can rally behind.

Hell yeah, let's petition the UN
 
2006-11-22 01:58:33 PM
wingnutx
I was referring to the fact that the Mexicans in the USA, legal or not are often treated poorly. Especially the illegals. No offense was intended.
 
2006-11-22 01:59:13 PM
Tatsuma

Since I just got done with a Philosophy class and never want to think about some sort of moral argument over whether which evil is preferable, i'll just try to meander my mind this way:

If given the choice, I would much prefer a place like the UAE over Yemen, Saudi, other desert hellhole 90% of the time. Now, you simply have to be aware that all places are going to suck ass to some extent. The statement i'll pose is: You must pick the place that sucks ass the LEAST. I think using the term evil is well.. subjective. But instead, I think most people in this thread should instead use the term "sucks ass" in reference to any sort of these places in the middle east. I think calling a country evil is misguided, but saying that country Sucks Ass, gets the point across with everyone in agreement onto the nature of that country.

Calling something simply evil is troublesome. You can call America evil and back up it pretty substantially. Just depends on what your moral definition of evil is. Hell, I can call the North Pole evil because its cold if I believe that something being cold is evil.

Just keep to using "Sucks ass".. it'll work..

/long day at work
 
2006-11-22 01:59:21 PM
Tatsuma: the embassy and barracks were in Lebanon.

I forgot to add murdering Robert Stethem on a hijacked airliner, too.
 
2006-11-22 01:59:49 PM
Uncle Karl:
san_mal

So suggesting a group that enjoys attacking your country needs to smoke a joint and relax is peddleing hate?

No, he was upset by Tatsuma's unfortunate phrasing. I cringed a bit myself when I read it, but I knew what he meant.
 
2006-11-22 02:01:47 PM
Tatsuma Would you call yourself anti-semantics?

Once I got drunk and started wailing against semantics in front of some CHP officers. Then the tabloids picked it up, and everybody was convinced that I'm anti-semantic.

Truth is, I don't have a problem with semantics. I'm just jealous of their control over philosophical discussions. Everybody knows those semantics are tight-fisted with their discussions.

/I think I carried that metaphor a bit too far
 
2006-11-22 02:01:56 PM
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www.laicite.com

/ something to sweeten up the thread before things get too hot
 
2006-11-22 02:02:04 PM
san_mal: Ah good ol' Tatsuma peddling hate again.

Peddling hate? How, exactly, am I peddling hate? And against who, by the way?

zippythechimp: It is sooooo easy to "blame America first". I've read your post and you should really try to broaden your thinking a bit. If you are under 25 I take that back, it won't happen for a few years.

read it five or six more times, maybe you'll see what I really meant

alienchickenpie: I'd say it's a necessary part of the process. It's not nice to see, but I don't think you can jump from a mediaval hellhole to a modern and respected member of the international community without all the nasty stuff.

oh, you're completely right. Actually, I think that's one of the main reasons why we are failing in the Middle-East

A lot of people from both sides of the aisle were expecting Iraq to becoming just like Western Civilization 3 minutes after Saddam was gone

Doesn't work like that
 
2006-11-22 02:04:48 PM
Pro Zack
members of the Phalange

is that pronounced finger?

So, that makes the whole thing a UPIA?

/UPIA, motherfarker

 
2006-11-22 02:05:09 PM
Tatsuma: Lebanon might just become another syrian province.

Already is. It has to do with Syria's occupation presence and influence in Lebanon.
 
2006-11-22 02:05:33 PM
I'll admit I overestimated the Iraqi's desire for a decent place to live versus their desire to kill anyone not in their immediate tribe/sect/ethnic group.

Blowing up the golden mosque was a great move on al queda's part.
 
2006-11-22 02:05:38 PM
some people say
 
2006-11-22 02:06:21 PM
never mind...
 
2006-11-22 02:06:44 PM
GodLovesBeer
 
2006-11-22 02:07:35 PM
not minding...
 
2006-11-22 02:10:05 PM
wingnutx
The sad part is not that you made a mistake here but that our government could for some reason not see what many normal people already knew. Saddam was Iraq's Tito. A terrible man who managed to keep the sect/tribes from killing each other and once he was gone it all went to pot.

Iraq will either split or another person like this will step into power. I am personally hoping it breaks into 3 decent nations, but I doubt it.
 
2006-11-22 02:12:45 PM
Uncle Karl: Iraq will either split or another person like this will step into power. I am personally hoping it breaks into 3 decent nations, but I doubt it.

Another option: The Kurds up north hold their area separate, and the Sunnis and Shiites fight between and among themselves for control of the rest.

Anything that leaves an independent Kurd area automatically interests Turkey and Iran, which will not be good.
 
2006-11-22 02:12:58 PM
It was doing OK until outsider blew up the golden mosque.

I worked with a lot of Sunnis and Shiites (and even a few Catholics) in Iraq, and they were pretty optimistic up tothat point.
 
2006-11-22 02:14:01 PM
Humean_Nature: there goes the nice discussion we were having. You could have made a valid point about the mistreatment of Native Americans and how their trials have been overlooked by modern americans, but instead you just said "I'm a tool! I'm a tool, I'm a tool I'm a tool! TOOOOL!"

Thanks. For a lot of people, seeing my name is enough to start attack mode

Galloping Galoshes: Don't dispair; Purim is coming soon (they space 'em apart to let your liver recover).

Definitely one of my favourite

Have you ever been to 770?

Never, unfortunately. The Meshichists are keeping me away. The major reason why I'm not closer to Chabad than I am right now. It's a shame, really.

No, he was upset by Tatsuma's unfortunate phrasing. I cringed a bit myself when I read it, but I knew what he meant.

Hmmm, where? I was completely unaware that I did such a thing

Humean_Nature: Once I got drunk and started wailing against semantics in front of some CHP officers. Then the tabloids picked it up, and everybody was convinced that I'm anti-semantic.

Truth is, I don't have a problem with semantics. I'm just jealous of their control over philosophical discussions. Everybody knows those semantics are tight-fisted with their discussions.


You need to realize the impact of semantics on society! Without semantics, society wouldn't be where it is today, nor would science, for that matter.

I'm a proud semantic lover.

some people say: / something to sweeten up the thread before things get too hot

Don't make me hungry, dammit
 
2006-11-22 02:14:26 PM
Since czarangelus isn't here....

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2006-11-22 02:15:47 PM
some people say
Lets try this again dammy!



/mods want to del my previous 2 posts..gahead!

Yummmmmmm!!!
 
2006-11-22 02:16:03 PM
Dynascape: Just keep to using "Sucks ass".. it'll work..

Oh, I know, I understand completely, I was simply trying to make a bold point, rather than being accurate. I still missed the mark, unfortunately

I still think it's fair to call Hitler or the Uzbek dictators evil, though

TappingTheVein: Already is. It has to do with Syria's occupation presence and influence in Lebanon.

Well, yeah... Thanks for that email, by the way!
 
2006-11-22 02:17:02 PM
Galloping Galoshes
Other than getting rid of a major headache for them how would Turkey be interested in an independent Kurdistan?
 
2006-11-22 02:17:22 PM
Detry just made me hungry.
 
2006-11-22 02:17:51 PM
Screw it, this thread hates me..
 
2006-11-22 02:18:53 PM
Turkey staunchly opposes an independent Kurdistan.

They feel it would embolden the PKK types to try and break off their section of Turkey, and provide a base for their operations.
 
2006-11-22 02:19:07 PM
"Other than getting rid of a major headache for them how would Turkey be interested in an independent Kurdistan?"

three letters for yah. PKK.

An indipendant Kurdistan would be a launching base/support center for Kurdish militias.
 
2006-11-22 02:19:09 PM
Humean_Nature: "there goes the nice discussion we were having"

"Nice discussion?" More like "trite, ignorant circle-jerk #2,761."

Oh, and BTW, the assassination of this fellow in Beirut means nothing. Got that? Nothing. You can't "destablize" a "democracy" that never existed. Lebanon is no more a "democracy" than Iraq. It is an artificial country without a future and its government is nothing more than an elaborate truce arrangement between warring factions. This is just another killing of one thug by some other thugs in a region of thugs...Bilad al-Sham.
 
2006-11-22 02:20:16 PM
BoozePenguin

:P
 
2006-11-22 02:20:20 PM
Uncle Karl: Other than getting rid of a major headache for them how would Turkey be interested in an independent Kurdistan?

Kurdistan would most likely spill over Turkey

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That's why I'm both for and against Kurdistan. I think it's a necessity since the surrounding countries can't seem to stop themselves from oppressing and slaughtering, yet at the same time, it would create a potential major clusterfark

On the other hand, maybe Israel would get it's first real ally in the Middle-East (and making this potentially major clusterfark a huge godzilla, mother-of-all-terrors clusterfark)
 
2006-11-22 02:21:02 PM
GodLovesBeer: Lets try this again dammy!

Who you calling dammy?

/ Yummm indeed, and just for you, some knafe:
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2006-11-22 02:22:30 PM
ComicBookGuy

gorgor: ComicBookGuy: Are they the ones that essentially buy young boys in Pakistan and barely feed them to keep their weight down for use as camel jockies?

That's so the Jews don't eat them:)

I thought it was so they weren't used as fuel to power the misery-powered ships of the Israeli military!!!


Come Achmed, let me show you to your new room

www.northhousefolkschool.com
 
2006-11-22 02:22:59 PM
canyoneer, it was a trite, ignorant circle-jerk that had almost no name calling and good times by all.

That's how I like my circle-jerks, thanks.
 
2006-11-22 02:24:15 PM
canyoneer: "Nice discussion?" More like "trite, ignorant circle-jerk #2,761."

Just because we're not flinging poo to each others doesn't mean it's a circle-jerk

It's a pretty mature discussion where folks mostly agree and discuss the points where we disagree.
 
2006-11-22 02:25:55 PM
Tatsuma: The Meshichists are keeping me away.

I drifted away from most of my Chabad associates before this became an issue.

Hmmm, where? I was completely unaware that I did such a thing

You said I say we do with the Middle-East what we did with the indians. I understood you meant it in the very narrow context of the conversation, but others could read into it more sinister thoughts, i.e. let's kill them off like we did the indians. People tend to hear in someone else's words what they were expecting to hear. Obviously someone else did. When I read it, I wished that you had phrased yourself a bit more carefully.
 
2006-11-22 02:26:02 PM
Tatsuma
I know what you were trying to say. Just tried to aim at a bit of brevity.

I think in the scheme of things, most people who have absolute power find themselves in positions where you can classify them as evil. Although in the Godwin-esque Hitler category, I much prefer to rank Himmler or Reinhard Heydrich higher on the category of "Most Evil" than Hitler. Personally, I find all three to be abhorrent excuses for individuals, but I still think that the whole power thing is mindnumbingly corruptive and conducive to evil.

I'll apply that to the current quagmire in the middle east. Seems many of the western imperialist nations set up the problem in the 19th and 20th centuries, only to have a Islamically justified power struggle ensue. You end up with leaders who have power given or blessed to them surrepticiously from God (repeating European concepts from the middle ages up to the 19th century) who then use such power to make a complete disaster of the geopoliticial region that the west mapped out for them. The whole story of the middle east appears to be one of disaster.

I have no firm opinion on Israel and the direct neighbors, but I acknowledge that both groups have reason to be intensely "spirited" in their defense of "their" land. I dont necessarily "blame" them for their actions persay, but instead give a higher degree of emphasis to the nice continent to the north for their imperialist map procedures. Europeans had no idea the problem they were inadvertently created and shouldnt technically be blamed 100%.. but at least 80%.

Excuse the quotations, as I mean for those words to be of a neutral or subjective level instead of saying objectively who owns what. Im just a History major, its not my job *Yet* to cast direct judgement on something, just investigate it.
 
2006-11-22 02:26:59 PM
My understanding is that the enslaved underaged camel-jockeys are being phased out in favour of robots.
 
2006-11-22 02:29:13 PM
Uncle Karl: Other than getting rid of a major headache for them how would Turkey be interested in an independent Kurdistan?

Turkey has a large Kurdish population in that area, and has fears of an independent Kurdistan trying to recover a portion of Turkish territory. (As I recall, it's a portion particularly rich in natural resources.) This is one of the major reasons Turkey was not supportive of the Iraq war. Northern Iraq is strongly controlled by the Kurds, and Turkey feared a split such as we are talking about. They made clear that an independent Kurdistan was not an acceptable outcome.
 
2006-11-22 02:30:30 PM
Humean_Nature: That's how I like my circle-jerks, thanks.

Personally, I like my circlejerks when they involve Picard

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2006-11-22 02:31:17 PM
Tatsuma
I am familiar with the region. What I meant was if they were not losing land or if it was just eastern Turkey(mountains and sand) how would it be a big deal? He seemed to imply we had something to fear from the Turks which struck me as odd since they are normally our allies.

Also your block seems a little large, from what I have seen most only want to give the very northern tip of Iraq to the Kurds and a tiny bit of Turkey.

/unlike tomorrow when I will be having a huge amount of turkey
 
2006-11-22 02:31:27 PM
Tatsuma: oh, you're completely right. Actually, I think that's one of the main reasons why we are failing in the Middle-East

A lot of people from both sides of the aisle were expecting Iraq to becoming just like Western Civilization 3 minutes after Saddam was gone

Doesn't work like that


It can be compared to parents who can't bear to see their child suffer a little, and end up being helicopter parents.
 
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