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(ABC)   Metal prices are so high that contractors forced to install chain-link fences around houses they're building to keep out thieves. Undeterred thieves then steal the fences   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 71
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2006-11-19 11:22:07 AM
+1. Amusing story.
 
2006-11-19 11:34:17 AM
Very amusing.

Build a privacy fence instead.

Or, my pet idea: Mexican archers.
 
2006-11-19 05:15:17 PM
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We need more metal.
 
2006-11-19 06:10:44 PM
Anything for a buck
 
2006-11-19 06:11:39 PM
make a wall of these.

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2006-11-19 06:13:37 PM
www.funkypancake.com

circadianshift.net
 
2006-11-19 06:14:30 PM
G-d what a bunch of a$$holes
 
2006-11-19 06:18:06 PM
moothemagiccow: G-d what a bunch of a$$holes

Who?

1: The thieves?
2: The developers who destroy the desert for a quick buck?
3: The idiots who are buying all these homes at inflated prices?
4: The banks who finance this idiots in #3?
5: Everybody?
6: H31N0US?
 
2006-11-19 06:18:12 PM
Heh. I was working at a demolition site a few months ago, knocking down an old Pizza Hut. It had copper roofing.

So the guys are ripping the roofing off and tossing it into a pile for salvage.

Some passerby walks by and goggles at it.

"Hey, is that copper?"
"...Yeessss......"
"Can I have it?"
"...Noooooo....."
"Why not?"
"Because it's ours. We're the demo crew that's knocking down this building, any salvage belongs to us or to the property owner. Either way, not yours."
"Oh, come on man..."

I'll bet he came back with a pickup truck the moment we left for the day.
 
2006-11-19 06:20:30 PM
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More plastic. Easier to damage. Same price to fix.
 
2006-11-19 06:20:34 PM
H31N0US: Who?

1: The thieves?
2: The developers who destroy the desert for a quick buck?
3: The idiots who are buying all these homes at inflated prices?
4: The banks who finance this idiots in #3?
5: Everybody?
6: H31N0US?


7: All of the above?


[/had to do it]
 
2006-11-19 06:20:49 PM
Was he mexican?
 
2006-11-19 06:21:16 PM
Around here, it's really getting stupid. People are stealing the power lines out of the highway lampposts, stealing the toilet flush valves from public restrooms, you name it, they'll steal it.
 
2006-11-19 06:22:18 PM
Good to see the recyclers are beginning to ask for ID and otherwise verify that people bringing in all this metal are legit.

If a contractor or homeowner comes in with a bunch of scrap pieces of copper pipe (small pieces left over after cutting, for example), that's one thing. If some random guy comes in with a bunch of brand-new, never-used copper pipes, I'd be quite suspicious indeed.

If someone's bringing in brand new chain-link fence, I'd be rather suspicious too.

The recyclers need to step up their efforts to ensure that they're not buying stolen goods, and thieves should be promptly punished for their thefts. I like hillbillypharmacist's idea about having archers stationed on construction sites. Companies are willing to pay people to stand on street corners holding advertisements for small amounts of money, why not do the same thing here, only with crossbows? To prevent them from stealing, charge them [money made from selling metal to recycler]+20% from their paycheck for any metal stolen while they're on duty.
 
2006-11-19 06:24:32 PM
It's China's fault. They're buying all the materials at whatever cost it takes, so naturally the cost skyrockets. My company works with copper, and the prices are insane.

Anyone read a history book lately? Europe had colonies across the world. Colonies provided raw materials, which were shipped back to the mother country for manufacturing. (Some colonies weren't even allowed to make their own goods. See: Inida re: Ghandi) and then the finished goods were sold back to the colonists for profit.

The US is now just that to China.
 
2006-11-19 06:28:46 PM
Around here, they're stealing guardrail and parts of the freakin' railroad. And arsewipe will be $80/roll next year, you watch.
 
2006-11-19 06:30:59 PM
Kaymon: It's China's fault. They're buying all the materials at whatever cost it takes, so naturally the cost skyrockets. My company works with copper, and the prices are insane.

*nods* I buy a lot of ammunition for competitive and recreational shooting. Since bullets are made from copper and lead, and the casings from brass (which contains a significant percentage of copper), I've been getting screwed too. In some calibers, prices have doubled in the last two years.

It's much more noticeable with the cheaper, "plinking" ammo, as it's mass produced and materials costs make up a higher percentage of the cost of manufacturing. Higher-quality stuff hasn't increased as much (but has increased), as they're made in lower-volume production lines, and are regularly tested and inspected throughout the manufacturing process...this costs money, so the cost of raw materials makes up a lesser percentage.

*shakes fist at high metal prices*
 
2006-11-19 06:33:47 PM

I can't wait until all the rappers start making the grills for their teeth from copper instead of platinum.


Come on feel the noise.

 
2006-11-19 06:33:55 PM
This is a problem on existing homes too.

How about someone stealing your plumbing while you're away at work. you get home and, nope, no water.
 
2006-11-19 06:34:35 PM
Kaymon: See: Inida re: Ghandi

They weren't even allowed to make their own vodak. Horrible.
 
2006-11-19 06:34:54 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of inflation kiddies.

But let the Federal Reserve keep telling you that there isn't any.

It hasn't happened since the 1970s and that means it's impossible.
 
2006-11-19 06:36:12 PM
Metal prices are so high that contractors forced to install chain-link fences hire mercnary armed guards around houses they're building to keep out thieves. Undeterred thieves then steal the fences start showing up as bullet-ridden coprses dumped at nearby hospitals.

/well thats how it should be
 
2006-11-19 06:37:46 PM
feepness: Welcome to the wonderful world of inflation kiddies.

I blame Bush.
 
2006-11-19 06:38:36 PM
I don't know that these theives are scrappers.

In an area where there is a lot of construction, crews will raid other jobs. Sometimes it isn't even for the money, it's for time. As the guy in the article said, the loss of the copper pipe wasn't as bad as his crew getting benched until he replaced it.

Construction thefts were so bad in my neighborhood they'd store the sheet plywood up on the roofs of houses, not on the ground in stacks like in the olden days.
 
2006-11-19 06:39:26 PM
Looks like the contractors' actions made the thieves take offense.
 
2006-11-19 06:39:43 PM
What really bugs me about thieves is that they will screw you out of $10 so that they can make $1! They don't care if it costs you $1,000 to replace it. If they can make $100 from taking it, they take it.

Theft is only amusing until they take it from you.

It is cheaper to society to pay the jails to keep these guys off of the street, than it is pay for the problems they create when they are out.

In the neighborhood I lived in 2 years ago, thieves stole plants and bushes out of the ground.
 
2006-11-19 06:40:07 PM
"Techno tried to defile the metal, but techno was proven wrong. Metal, it comes from hell."
 
2006-11-19 06:40:23 PM
Interesting is not the tag to use.
Sad is much more appropriate.
 
2006-11-19 06:40:46 PM
I was going mention electricity but more often that not all that does is burn the hands away and then they become elligible for government money (of course they'd eventually die from cirosis of the liver or kidney failure since their new found monetary security would be spend entirely on booze and HBO).

The funny thing is that you have to work so very hard to get money this way, and if you worked that hard legitimately you could get more money!
 
2006-11-19 06:41:47 PM
seriously, I paid $25 for a metal show last week! that is far too much!
 
2006-11-19 06:43:41 PM
AreWeNotMen

I saw someone swipe what you did there.
 
2006-11-19 06:46:38 PM
Scrap dealers know who's been doing this, but they make money at it too. Bunch of thugs.
 
2006-11-19 06:47:10 PM
www.glasssteelandstone.com

Look at all that copper....hrmmm....
 
2006-11-19 06:49:01 PM
Oh yeah, plant thieves are just as bad. They know that new plants are just laid in the holes, no roots yet, and you can pick them up out of the ground.

Sometimes they'll hit a whole block of homes, and for just one kind of plant that's hard to find.

/used to live in Tucson, AZ, and you just about couldn't plant a suguaro cactus in your front yard. It would get swiped within a month.
 
2006-11-19 06:49:20 PM
Vosh:

The funny thing is that you have to work so very hard to get money this way, and if you worked that hard legitimately you could get more money!


Yes but thieving allows you to be your own boss and work when you want to.
 
2006-11-19 06:49:22 PM
And that's in the U.S.? I saw the headline and thought it was Iraq.
 
2006-11-19 06:52:08 PM
feepness

You're actually blaming the Federal Reserve for a shortage of a natural resource? Why not the Trilateral Commission, or the Illuminati?
 
2006-11-19 06:52:35 PM
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2006-11-19 06:55:13 PM
Jokelahoma: You're actually blaming the Federal Reserve for a shortage of a natural resource? Why not the Trilateral Commission, or the Illuminati?

I'm blaming them for an excess of dollars raising the price.

This is more of a monetary phenomenon than a "shortage".

And the trilateral commission is busy putting hairs on my toothbrush.
 
2006-11-19 06:56:29 PM
feepness: Welcome to the wonderful world of inflation kiddies.

This is probably a different phenomenon than inflation (although both are occurring today). I think of inflation as an overall erosion in the value of money. High metal prices, on the other hand, are due to supply-demand shortages of a specific group of commodities due to changes in the global marketplace. If you mapped the curve of copper prices versus the curve of inflation, the curves would be very dissimilar (although both are trending up). Or in other words, metal prices would be going up even if there were no inflation.
 
2006-11-19 06:59:52 PM
SunOfSam
Awesome!

// Anybody at those construction sites is wearing white t-shirts? ;)
 
2006-11-19 07:02:34 PM
We've had big pilferage problems at our RCLR (Radio Communication Link Repeater) sites out by Barstow. The sites are festooned with 'Any interference with this equipment may put lives at risk' and the thieves steal the copper anyway. I suggested we just wire the commercial power to the chain link fence, but no one listens.
 
2006-11-19 07:04:55 PM
feepness

Nah, the price increases on natural resources like these (and oil, btw) are being driven skyward by China.

Then again, the Chinese manufacturing industry depends in large part on its central bank buying up craploads of dollars, so I guess you could blame American printing lots of money to some extent for it, but it's not the proximate cause.

burn98
What really bugs me about thieves is that they will screw you out of $10 so that they can make $1! They don't care if it costs you $1,000 to replace it. If they can make $100 from taking it, they take it.

I've had the stereo stolen out of my car twice. Both times the theives did 700-1000$ in damage to my car just to get the f'ing stereo out, which they can't be getting much more than $25 out of at a pawn shop. farking theives.
 
2006-11-19 07:06:01 PM
Burn98,

Vosh:

The funny thing is that you have to work so very hard to get money this way, and if you worked that hard legitimately you could get more money!

Yes but thieving allows you to be your own boss and work when you want to.


I guess you're your own boss until the cops arrive. And you have to work all the time or you starve (or run out of Wild Irish Rose). There are part time jobs just washing dishes that would net more money for you at the end of the week. I suspect this is more about those who are unable to function in our society such as it is. They just can't cope with it. We used to treat them but the state decided it was too expensive so now they just roam the streets.

Yes, I know you were being funny; I'm just sayin'.
 
2006-11-19 07:08:20 PM
Nakito: This is probably a different phenomenon than inflation (although both are occurring today). I think of inflation as an overall erosion in the value of money. High metal prices, on the other hand, are due to supply-demand shortages of a specific group of commodities due to changes in the global marketplace. If you mapped the curve of copper prices versus the curve of inflation, the curves would be very dissimilar (although both are trending up). Or in other words, metal prices would be going up even if there were no inflation.

FTA: "They'll steal the chain link fence from around the building," he says. "Anything they can scrap, they'll take."

This is not just about copper. We are experiencing inflation in everything. Copper may be ahead of the curve (or behind and catching up), but it isn't about copper or gold or oil which are all up dramatically. It's about cheap credit and trillions of dollars being vacuumed out of the housing ATM.
 
2006-11-19 07:13:45 PM
bigforearms: Nah, the price increases on natural resources like these (and oil, btw) are being driven skyward by China.

Then again, the Chinese manufacturing industry depends in large part on its central bank buying up craploads of dollars, so I guess you could blame American printing lots of money to some extent for it, but it's not the proximate cause.


You have it exactly right and you are also correct it is not the proximate cause. Just as someone pulling the trigger is not the proximate cause of death in a shooting. The bullet or bleeding or trauma is the proximate cause... but that isn't going to go over very well in court.
 
2006-11-19 07:18:05 PM
As the owner of a mine that produces not just gold, but also tin, tungsten, iron, titanium, and other metals, I'm going to pretend to be shocked and outraged by this.
 
2006-11-19 07:18:14 PM
I've always maintained that installed infrastructure will frickin' disappear if commodity prices get too out of control, or alternativly, people get too poor. Right now it's just the meth tweekers breaking into substations to steal spools of wire, and chopping up things that are still in use or usable for the "scrap" value. If the shiat really hits the fan the Average Joe might just get the same thought, just look at the immediate aftermath of the Iraq invasion. Everything that wasn't nailed down...errrr, well even things that were nailed down got lifted. There's a good reason cellular is the only choice for telecom in the third world, no copper to steal, much easier to post guards at the towers or patrol them.
 
2006-11-19 07:35:41 PM
Theft? In southern california?

www.robotsandwrestlers.com
 
2006-11-19 07:36:05 PM
They should just build a fence around the fe- oh wait nevermind.
 
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