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(Fox News)   When you travel home this Thanksgiving, airports will be issuing you a 1-quart clear ziploc bag into which you may place toiletries contained in 3-ounce or smaller bottles, citizen   ( foxnews.com) divider line
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2006-11-19 08:59:28 AM  
This is true. I used it to store my feces sandwich.

I hate flying.
 
2006-11-19 09:00:13 AM  
This isn't new, I was given the same kind of bag when I flew out of San Francisco over a month ago (they wouldn't let me use the larger ziploc bag that I had put my stuff in at home). It's still ridiculous, but whatever. The worst part for me was having "self-medicated," then being in the line where they make you stand in the machine that blows air all over you looking for trace amounts of whatever, then watching them open all my carry on stuff and wipe my laptop down for explosives, etc. THAT'S when the paranoia kicked in for me.
 
2006-11-19 09:01:50 AM  
Do these farking nimrods actually think this is helping in any way? 9/11 happened because of BOX CUTTERS. No one had the liquid binary explosive from Die Hard 3. They had box cutters. And they could do it again. So relax.
 
2006-11-19 09:01:57 AM  
boooooo boooooooooooo boooooooooooo
 
2006-11-19 09:02:59 AM  
Just as long as there is no breast milk.

/never understood the reason why mothers had to drink their milk?
//I heard milk can cause explosive diarrhea but that is it
 
2006-11-19 09:03:56 AM  
Just remember, it has to be a 3 oz container or less, not a larger container with just less than 3 oz of liquid in it. I saw some lady dragged out of the line and beaten for this two weeks ago.
 
2006-11-19 09:04:23 AM  
Oh, and I want a transporter dammit. That would solve all this security shiat (probably wouldn't actually, it would be just as big a pain with screening, but at least it would be cooler).
 
2006-11-19 09:04:37 AM  
I thought this liquid explosive thing had been debunked?
 
2006-11-19 09:04:51 AM  
Remember those two guys that were plotting to blow up planes en route to the US using liquid explosives? Remember when they couldn't even be taken to trial due to lack of evidence?
Remember when Newark failed 20 of 22 security tests?

Praise Science! We are safe!
 
2006-11-19 09:05:10 AM  
Do these farking nimrods actually think this is helping in any way? 9/11 happened because of BOX CUTTERS. No one had the liquid binary explosive from Die Hard 3. They had box cutters. And they could do it again. So relax.

I'm surprised no one's used ceramic knives yet. Seems like it'd be easy to get those past security - it's almost as if the parties responsible for 9/11 have accomplished what they needed to accomplish and aren't even trying anymore.

But you should still be afraid! Because it... helps... somehow. Trust us.
 
2006-11-19 09:05:23 AM  
Anyone wanna translate the following?

1-quart
ziploc

I've worked out Thanksgiving and ounce ;P
 
2006-11-19 09:05:24 AM  
It's actually 3.4 oz, or smaller, to keep with European standards.
 
2006-11-19 09:06:50 AM  
At last. I finally feel safe for the first time in six years. That's the gosh darn truth.
 
2006-11-19 09:07:33 AM  
we're winning? right?
 
2006-11-19 09:08:00 AM  
Thats why jesus traveled by boat.
 
2006-11-19 09:09:00 AM  
weave: I saw some lady dragged out of the line and beaten for this two weeks ago.

Ha ha. It's funny because it's almost true.

I wouldn't be surprised if airport security started using tasers on non-compliant passengers
 
2006-11-19 09:09:30 AM  
One last drunken sunday afternoon post; I fly a lot, and it amazes me that even with all the announcements about not bringing food or liquids or anything like that in carry-on luggage, how many idiots just didn't pay attention and end up having to throw away expensive perfumes or whatever. I saw a woman in Las Vegas pitch a fit because she couldn't bring her yogurt on the plane. Lady, it costs $.60, buy a new one. But it gave me an idea; make a new airline for idiots or just people who don't care. It would be cheap as hell to fly on, but the security would be much more lax, sort of a flying Russian Roulette. (I figure, if you aren't astute enough to notice the MYRIAD warnings about bringing stuff onto the plane, then maybe you just aren't worth saving, OR, you fly for $20 instead of $600)

/my $.02
 
2006-11-19 09:10:21 AM  
it's almost as if the parties responsible for 9/11 have accomplished what they needed to accomplish and aren't even trying anymore.

That's exactly what it is. In their wildest dreams Bin Laden and his crew couldn't imagine 9/11 working better than it did. Bush and the American people did everything they were supposed to do after 9/11. To hold another attack would be redundant.
 
2006-11-19 09:10:53 AM  
paranand: It would be cheap as hell to fly on, but the security would be much more lax, sort of a flying Russian Roulette.

I like it. For others, there could be an airline where everyone rides naked and chained to their seat. Let the free market decide.
 
2006-11-19 09:11:07 AM  
fear crest toothpaste
 
2006-11-19 09:11:11 AM  
1 qt size see thru ziploc baggy.

1 allowed per passenger.

3.4 oz or smaller size liquid, gel or creams that can fit into said baggy and allow it to be closed w/o bulging of seams.

/word
 
2006-11-19 09:11:17 AM  
It would be cheap as hell to fly on, but the security would be much more lax...

fakr, I'd fly it. Not like the expensive version is any more secure anyway.
 
2006-11-19 09:11:36 AM  
Are mp3 players still now allowed, but Sony laptop batteries are? I'm still confused on that one.

/not flying again until I can listen to music
//I really, really, REALLY hate flying if I can't tune everything out
 
2006-11-19 09:11:41 AM  
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2006-11-19 09:12:39 AM  
yadda yadda.. "urging travelers to remember they can have 3-ounce bottles or less"

What prevents you from having 10, three ounce bottles in a 1 quart bag filled with the same liquid? (with 2 ounces to spare!!)

and what prevents 10 terrorists all carrying their 32 Ounces of liquid goodness to try to .... take over the plane by squeezing liquid on everyone?? or whatever the hell you do with liquids?

This is wicked stupid.
 
2006-11-19 09:12:58 AM  
When I travel home this Thanksgiving, I will be driving and can take whatever I damn well please.

/Unless the cops pull me over en route
//not that i could consume that much
/or build a bomb
///in 20 minutes
 
2006-11-19 09:13:08 AM  
Man, I can't tell you how much safer this makes me feel!

//wiping tear from eye
///still afraid of runaway parade balloons
////and slashies
 
2006-11-19 09:13:28 AM  
paranand
I would take my chances with the cheap airline. Probably because I value my freedom, and because I realize the security at the regular airlines means dick.

If you really wanted to kill a lot of people set off a bomb in the security line at a major airport. Their are hundreds of people bunched together. Plus the stampede out would kill even more people.
 
2006-11-19 09:13:55 AM  
you can bring a four pound laptop but not a bottle of shampoo
 
2006-11-19 09:14:01 AM  
I wonder if some idiot has had to put his tube of KY Jelly in the clear plastic bag.
 
2006-11-19 09:14:52 AM  
"Are mp3 players still now allowed, but Sony laptop batteries are? I'm still confused on that one."

yeah, that has never been the case.

you've been doing a lot of driving for nothing.
 
2006-11-19 09:15:41 AM  
I blame the geys...
 
2006-11-19 09:16:55 AM  
If you really were planning some sort of liquid in flight attack, couldn't you use a catheter to fill your bladder with said liquid?
Or swallow a bag of it ? Or shove the bottle up your butt?


/Must not mention near Homeland Security or the security process will get even worse.
 
2006-11-19 09:17:22 AM  
Old News....but true.

Those security personal are underqualfied and overworked, don't make their job any harder than has to be. They can't handle it. They will gladly pass their problems down to you.

They should have a seperate line for men and women b/c those women have so much useless crapola they hold up the line.
 
2006-11-19 09:17:58 AM  
This is why I fly 172's from private airports.
 
2006-11-19 09:18:14 AM  
I blame the geys...


trilux.org

Be on the lookout... oh, wait. Never mind.
 
2006-11-19 09:18:35 AM  
Always remember folks, the 9/11 hijackers didn't have a single illegal item with them. A boxcutter was perfectly legal because it me the blade length criteria. I could do the same amount of damage with a metal ink pen. Be just like an ice pick as far as the human body is concerned. The difference now is that the passengers wouldn't let it happen. Before 9/11 the passengers mostly didn't feel endangered, just inconvenienced. That is the real post 9/11 change. The security stuff is all theatrical window dressing to make the sheep feel safer.
 
2006-11-19 09:18:36 AM  
Dave Chappelle swallowed a tube of lighter fluid tied to a string in Con Air and set that indian on fire.

"Help! The Last Mohican is burnin'!"
 
2006-11-19 09:19:23 AM  
The TSA's ruling in late September followed a six-week ban of carry-on gels and liquids on all planes, ordered on Aug. 10 after an alleged plot to bomb U.S.-bound jetliners was foiled.

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2006-11-19 09:21:17 AM  
Step 1. Wait in line at TSA screening thing while holding a 2-liter bottle of soda that you really like.

Step 2. Continue to wait in line until you're notified (probably by the lady checking IDs and tickets in advance, but hopefully by the goons at the scanner) that you will not be allowed to cross with that bottle.

Step 3. After being told that you can't take the bottle with you, apologize, excuse yourself, and stand next to the line, chugging soda as quickly as possible.

Step 4. Discard empty bottle and return to (hopefully short)line.

Step 5. When the same goon that notified you beforehand is within one or two feet, look him right in the face and release the largest belch of your life.

Step 6. Exclaim, while laughing, that you guess it really was explosive.

Step 7. Read about your performance art piece on Fark.
 
2006-11-19 09:21:24 AM  
www.wondermark.com
 
2006-11-19 09:23:52 AM  
So you fill at least one bottle in little ziploc baggie with pepper juice, or something that burns badly when introduced to eyeballs. When on plane, remove other items from baggie, pour burny eyeball solution into ziplog baggie and inflate with air, seal. Punch tiny hole in baggie, use pressure to create spray. Take over the food service cart by taking airline hostess hostage. Erm...
 
2006-11-19 09:25:21 AM  
So you fill at least one bottle in little ziploc baggie with pepper juice, or something that burns badly when introduced to eyeballs. When on plane, remove other items from baggie, pour burny eyeball solution into ziplog baggie and inflate with air, seal. Punch tiny hole in baggie, use pressure to create spray. Take over the food service cart by taking airline hostess hostage. Erm...

You got that from McGuyver.
 
2006-11-19 09:25:38 AM  
Had a guy next to me complain up and down that he wanted his large toothpaste to go with him and that he "didn't appreciate" it being taken away. Yeah I'm sure the TSA worker gives a crap. He kept on repeating that "didn't appreciate line"

Now I think this is idiotic, but that's the rules. Why complain to the grunts about it? Just shut up and get on the plane.
 
2006-11-19 09:26:02 AM  
gocheesego: So you fill at least one bottle in little ziploc baggie with pepper juice, or something that burns badly when introduced to eyeballs. When on plane, remove other items from baggie, pour burny eyeball solution into ziplog baggie and inflate with air, seal. Punch tiny hole in baggie, use pressure to create spray. Take over the food service cart by taking airline hostess hostage. Erm...

Have fun in Gitmo, turrist
 
2006-11-19 09:28:30 AM  
I HAVE A LIQUID!!!! AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!!!
/guy in front of me last weekend had a 4 oz. container of blueberry jam confiscated. Phew! Just THINK of the damage he coulda caused with that!
 
2006-11-19 09:31:16 AM  
NineInchNader: Be on the lookout... oh, wait. Never mind.

I wish the grays ran the country...
 
2006-11-19 09:31:18 AM  
Well, Al Qaeda's objective was to hurt our economy w/the 9/11 attacks. How much does all the lost productivity from going through odious security cost the economy?

I absolutely hate flying, now. I won't say it's like getting my teeth pulled, but all the waiting sucks. And I strongly suspect it doesn't really do much aside from inconconveniencing all of us.
 
2006-11-19 09:31:25 AM  
And don't carry any of these gels or liquids unobscured in your pants pockets either.
 
2006-11-19 09:31:39 AM  
gocheesego: So you fill at least one bottle in little ziploc baggie with pepper juice, or something that burns badly when introduced to eyeballs. When on plane, remove other items from baggie, pour burny eyeball solution into ziplog baggie and inflate with air, seal. Punch tiny hole in baggie, use pressure to create spray. Take over the food service cart by taking airline hostess hostage. Erm...

Step three is profit!
 
2006-11-19 09:31:48 AM  
I hear we are still at war with Eurasia and East Asia.

/forever live the nation
 
2006-11-19 09:33:00 AM  
Hmmm....is there anything that could be kept in a 3 oz flask which could actually kill everyone on a plane if it were released?
 
2006-11-19 09:33:12 AM  
Agree... this isn't new. They stole my hair gel!

Then once you get in the airport, everything they confiscated is for sale in their shops.

I call it conspiracy!
 
2006-11-19 09:33:34 AM  
ComicBookGuy: Hmmm....is there anything that could be kept in a 3 oz flask which could actually kill everyone on a plane if it were released?

Herpes
 
2006-11-19 09:34:44 AM  
NineInchNader: I'm surprised no one's used ceramic knives yet. Seems like it'd be easy to get those past security - it's almost as if the parties responsible for 9/11 have accomplished what they needed to accomplish and aren't even trying anymore

Heck, I'd think you wouldn't even have to work that hard. Just rip off the tray table in front of you and improvise a shiv out of the busted up plastic or one of the aluminum supports.
 
2006-11-19 09:35:20 AM  
thejoyofpi debunked?

I don't know, this binary seems pretty easy to use....(pops). Possible NSFW ads.
 
2006-11-19 09:35:40 AM  
Now everyone be a good American and be afraid......of everything.
 
2006-11-19 09:36:08 AM  
Had a guy next to me complain up and down that he wanted his large toothpaste to go with him and that he "didn't appreciate" it being taken away. Yeah I'm sure the TSA worker gives a crap. He kept on repeating that "didn't appreciate line"

I hate when people say the "I don't appreciate" line. It sounds so prissy and pretentious.
 
2006-11-19 09:36:36 AM  
If you fly, you have demontrated you willingness to surrender your rights.
It's that simple.
I the vast majority of sheep said, hey, enough of this herd mentality, I'm an individual and I have rights, and refuse to fly, then it would have an impact. But sheep don't do that.
You vote with your money.
You spend money on demonstrating your willingness to give up your rights.
Anyone who flys and takes exception with that may meet me outside and discuss it. I'll be the one with the shears.
 
2006-11-19 09:37:24 AM  
Heck, I'd think you wouldn't even have to work that hard. Just rip off the tray table in front of you and improvise a shiv out of the busted up plastic or one of the aluminum supports.

Have you ever tried making sushi with a broken piece of plastic? Stick with the ceramic knives...
 
2006-11-19 09:38:55 AM  
I the vast majority of sheep said, hey, enough of this herd mentality, I'm an individual and I have rights, and refuse to fly, then it would have an impact.

Didn't we try that once only to have the government bail the airlines out with our tax dollars? Spend it willingly or not, it's going to the airlines.
 
2006-11-19 09:40:41 AM  
submitter: ,citizen

That made the entire headline. It sold it.

+1
 
2006-11-19 09:41:18 AM  
Can we start having a serious conversation about a nationwide high-speed rail system? The most you can do to a train is make it stop or derail - it's pretty much a given that it's not going to go anywhere the tracks don't go.
 
2006-11-19 09:43:36 AM  
2 months ago, they didn't stop me when I boarded the plane with $12000 in cash, a digital camera that didn't work, and a cell phone.

The really interesting stuff was in my checked bags though, which did not have the typical inspection flier when I got off.

Good work morons.
 
2006-11-19 09:45:15 AM  
Don' give the airlines a penny. Fark 'em if they can't run their lemonaid stand like an independent business.
No bail out for you!
Car companies, too.
No more free rides.
 
2006-11-19 09:47:14 AM  
GuruSarx: Agree... this isn't new. They stole my hair gel!

Then once you get in the airport, everything they confiscated is for sale in their shops.

I call it conspiracy!


After we won the war on disco, and the balding of America due to the death of hair bands. Hair care products sales are at a new low. The terrorist have infatuated the the beauty industry to fund the war on Christmas. The more we take, the more we make school of thought to raise funds has to stop! Please write Santa to stop this crazy thing...
 
2006-11-19 09:48:10 AM  
And the terrorists have won. Very sad what this country has done to itself.
 
2006-11-19 09:49:42 AM  
thejoyofpi: The threat of your funny circus compound doesn't seem to deter people who intend on going down with the plane. Someone could just pepper-bag-spray their plane into another several buildings and that'd be that. Your security is silly. If you want to be 'safe' in the air, just start securing passengers to seats - wrist and ankle style. Call it BondageAir, charge extra.
 
2006-11-19 09:52:30 AM  
Do you want to know MOAR^$@1!!!
 
2006-11-19 09:53:39 AM  
And keep a goddamn lid on your chocolate rations, prole!
 
2006-11-19 09:55:43 AM  
What they need to do is put people in cryo-sleep like in The Fifth Element or Alien. There'd be no security issues, they could stack you up like a Japanese apartment building so they'd make more money on tickets, no food service, no carry on baggage, no mind numbing boredom. Just conk you out, you wake up in Australia.
 
2006-11-19 09:56:03 AM  
hehe...I love when people say "they stole my shampoo!" or "they took away my water!"

I'm not taking away any of yer shiat. You are voluntarily leaving it at the checkpoint.

In fact, I have to dispose of your shiat because you didn't take the 30 seconds to learn what security policies were.
 
2006-11-19 10:00:13 AM  
Tonguedepressor: I bet you have HEAPS of friends, too ;)
 
2006-11-19 10:02:06 AM  
ISYD: "2 months ago, they didn't stop me when I boarded the plane with $12000 in cash, a digital camera that didn't work, and a cell phone. morons."

You can travel domestically with an unlimited amt of cash.

You can also carry your cell phone and your broken camera as these do not pose any security threat.
 
2006-11-19 10:02:13 AM  
tonguedepressor: In fact, I have to dispose of your shiat because you didn't take the 30 seconds to learn what security policies were.

You are a ass.
"I have to"---Do you.
Do you not get paid?
To me you seem to be fat, lazy or both.
Now go put your loafers on and go exercise your meaningless authority over trapped travelers...
 
2006-11-19 10:04:32 AM  
I feel safer already..

/didnt read the article
/didnt read the posts
 
2006-11-19 10:04:53 AM  
Ye gods... land of the sheep and home of the 'fraid... don't forget to bleat your allegiance to little shrub as you go through the insecurity check...
 
2006-11-19 10:05:36 AM  
I am pretty sure that soon we'll have to be nekkid to fly.
 
2006-11-19 10:06:34 AM  
Cerealspiller

Every trip to dispose of somebody's prohibited crap means more delay for the people who took the time to know the policies and do it correctly.
 
2006-11-19 10:06:54 AM  
The tonguedepressor's of the world have turned into the new mall security guards, eh?

Who's a tough security guy? You are, yes you are!
 
2006-11-19 10:07:14 AM  
I'm flying to India in 6 hours.
I've got spray on mosequto repellant.
I hope they let me take it, its real swampy inland of Mumbai lots of mozzies and maleria.
 
2006-11-19 10:07:52 AM  
tonguedepressor: I'm not taking away any of yer shiat. You are voluntarily leaving it at the checkpoint.

So you're a security guy. You don't see anything pointless or out right ridiculous about the security measures regarding liquids? I know you're just doing your job but you can have an opinion too.
 
2006-11-19 10:08:22 AM  
Lard_Baron: I hope they let me take it, its real swampy inland of Mumbai lots of mozzies and maleria.

Put it in your checked baggage.
 
2006-11-19 10:09:31 AM  
meekychuppet: I am pretty sure that soon we'll have to be nekkid to fly.

I'm not sure how I feel about that. For some reason, even when I fly to LA, there's rarely anyone I want to see naked. No, I think the bad would outweigh the good there.
 
2006-11-19 10:10:27 AM  
I hope they let me take it, its real swampy inland of Mumbai lots of mozzies and maleria.

I hate swamp mozzie...
 
2006-11-19 10:11:42 AM  
Mugato: No, I think the bad would outweigh the good there.

They could issue us goggles at check-in.

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2006-11-19 10:13:21 AM  
every time I post on a TSA thread, I get treated like I wrote these policies.

I have had positive interaction with 99.9 % of the passengers that come thru my airport.

I don't bust balls because that keeps people there longer and defeats what we both want, to get you out of my ckpt.
 
2006-11-19 10:15:16 AM  
2006-11-19 09:56:03 AM tonguedepressor

hehe...I love when people say "they stole my shampoo!" or "they took away my water!"

I'm not taking away any of yer shiat. You are voluntarily leaving it at the checkpoint.

In fact, I have to dispose of your shiat because you didn't take the 30 seconds to learn what security policies were.
==================================
I actually looked at security policies before leaving. They had changed while I was traveling. How is this my fault? And yes, they are stealing it, otherwise they wouldn't sale the same bottles of water, drinks, and other liquids that were just taken.
 
2006-11-19 10:16:14 AM  
I wholeheartedly DO NOT agree with current restrictions regarding liquids and gels particularly of the type that fit into people's pants pockets anyway, but I'll abide by the policy until they change it.
 
2006-11-19 10:16:23 AM  
2006-11-19 10:05:36 AM meekychuppet -
"I am pretty sure that soon we'll have to be nekkid to fly."


Like the Goddess meant us to be,
au naturel, for the others to see.
sharing it with my sisters for free,
great way to fly, oh Blessed Be!


This public serivce announcement brought to you by Pagan Sex Airlines.
 
2006-11-19 10:16:48 AM  
I should also point out I had no checked bags to put the items in, as I was traveling light as not to get my stuff lost.
 
2006-11-19 10:18:06 AM  
No tonguedepressor, every new stupid security theatre rule that the wankers in the TSA come up with is what causes the delays.

These aren't policies, they're regulations thought up by shiny pant bureaucrats who have to be seen to be doing something, anything that appears to be making airline travel "safer".

Take the stupidity of the boarding pass vs ID check. It's still possible to enter the gate area on one ID and travel on another.

1. Print out and change boarding pass to match fake ID
2. Enter gate area with fake boarding pass and fake ID
3. Enter aircraft with real boarding pass and real ID

The simple solution? Move the security check to the gate and combine the ID check with the boarding check. This is what is done in intelligent places like Singapore. It has two effects:

1. There isn't the stupid restriction on people going to the gate to see people off/welcome them when they arrive
2. Only the people with a real boarding pass and matching ID get on the flight.

The only reason it's not done is that the airlines baulked at paying for the extra X-ray/guard facilities. Yet the US government continues to waste money and personnel on stupid confused badly thought out and executed so-called "policies".
 
2006-11-19 10:18:54 AM  
2006-11-19 09:56:03 AM tonguedepressor
hehe...I love when people say "they stole my shampoo!" or "they took away my water!"

I'm not taking away any of yer shiat. You are voluntarily leaving it at the checkpoint.

In fact, I have to dispose of your shiat because you didn't take the 30 seconds to learn what security policies were.

What those security policies are is stupid.
Voluntary? Like either you give this up or you walk from New York to LA? That kind of voluntary?
If you are serious; DIAF if you are trolling; good job, you pulled off the brain dead security guard perfectly.
 
2006-11-19 10:19:26 AM  
Mugato:Do these farking nimrods actually think this is helping in any way? 9/11 happened because of BOX CUTTERS.

Um... no. Boxcutters are inconsequential really. If you could sneak a box cutter on an airplane today (probably not hard to do), try sticking a boxcutter in somebody's face and watch what happens when 50 passengers go medieval on your ass.

Prior to 9/11, airline pilots were instructed to meekly comply with hijackers. The terrorists could have been holding a crayon and the outcome would have likely been the same. The passengers weren't terribly worried because nobody had hijacked a plane and deliberately crashed it. The military wasn't looking or able to react quickly to hijacked planes within the US interior.

9/11 was a paradigm shift that raised everybody's awareness and that's why the skies are (somewhat) safer today. All the rest of this TSA crap is just useless window dressing.
 
2006-11-19 10:20:11 AM  
GuruSarx, you have the option to go back to your airline and check whatever it was that you couldn't bring in.

Or you could bring it out to your car, leave it with friend or family that's not flying, or mail it to yourself.
Thus the "not stealing it" remark.
 
2006-11-19 10:20:50 AM  
thejoyofpi: Put it in your checked baggage

I dont have any.
This is a returning trip.
All my stuff is already there, I didnt bring anything back last time.
 
2006-11-19 10:20:51 AM  
tonguedepressor: I have had positive interaction with 99.9 % of the passengers that come thru my airport.

Because passengers are too scared to have anything but a positive interaction because it will result in

a) hassle
b) missing your flight because of extended hassle
c) a visit to a backroom
d) all of the above.

Now go find me someone (not working for the government) who thinks the TSA is worth a damn, go on, scoot.
 
2006-11-19 10:21:07 AM  
tonguedepressor: I have had positive interaction with 99.9 % of the passengers that come thru my airport.

Once again...
Your are an ass...
"my Airport"

Every trip to dispose of somebody's prohibited crap

Do they not put the stuff in a big trash bin with wheels that you could train a dog to haul away?
 
2006-11-19 10:22:26 AM  
In the old days, when the terrorists were content to blow up airliners using a time-bomb, the way to speed your way through security was to not have checked baggage. Checked baggage would go through additional layers of scrutiny - in some countries, you had to identify your luggage on the tarmac before it was put in the hold.

Now, it looks like the smart thing to do is to put everything in checked luggage, and board with just your boarding pass and maybe a book (if that's still allowed...just don't bring the anarchist cookbook). Carry-ons are more hassle than they're worth.
 
2006-11-19 10:22:33 AM  
thejoyofpi
They could issue us goggles at check-in.

Yea, but they wouldn't do anything.
 
2006-11-19 10:24:44 AM  
Once again...
Your are an ass...
"my Airport"


Hey, bash the TSA guy if you want, but keep it realistic, okay? Is there an employee in the world who doesn't say "my store" or "my company"? It's a pretty common term even if it's not accurate.

Geez...
 
2006-11-19 10:25:30 AM  
tonguedepressor: Agreeing to work for these people and uphold their standards is condoning the practice. If you don't want to be the front-line man for a bunch of bastards, get a new job. Quit whining and take it like a man.
 
2006-11-19 10:28:38 AM  
NineInchNader: Hey, bash the TSA guy if you want, but keep it realistic, okay? Is there an employee in the world who doesn't say "my store" or "my company"? It's a pretty common term even if it's not accurate.

Well, Carpenters Local 94--- So i dont have to blow the man to feel safe in my career. Together we bargain, divided we beg...
 
2006-11-19 10:29:02 AM  
itsfullofstars,

You sir are very much missing the point.

Frequent fliers are not afraid of security policies and abide by them for very good reason.

It gets them to their gate faster and easier which is their prime objective.

now you sir can stfu for you know not of what you speak.
 
2006-11-19 10:31:29 AM  
how can there not be a pic of judge dredd?
me too lazy but c'mon guys!!

awesome submission line too, well done whoever that was!
 
2006-11-19 10:33:50 AM  
An experienced frequent flier will divest and get through my ckpt in under a minute.

The people who do not know policy slows the process down to about 5 minutes.
 
2006-11-19 10:42:06 AM  
Hey tonguedepressor, I'm a OneWorld emerald frequent flyer and I now actively avoid the US or flying through the US primarily because of the stupidity of the DHS/TSA, the rudeness and arrogance of its staff and the general hassle of flying on bad US airlines and travelling to/from the US.

I know of a number of other people who are doing the same.
The government department that you work for is actively working against the interests of your citizens.

So you're correct, frequent flyers are not afraid of the TSA's misguided security policies, abide by them when we have to, and actively avoid having to deal with them.

BTW, why is it faster to refuse to present identification thus getting transferred to the "extra security check" line? Much faster than being a sheep and following the rest of the herd...

Oh, and our prime objective is to travel not to "get to our gate"...
 
2006-11-19 10:44:50 AM  
Actually, all this does is give the airports an excuse for selling "specially cleared" and packaged of personal products on the other side of security.

No doubt at an incredibly high makup. A "approved" tube of toothpaste would make a 49 cent tube now cost $5.00!

Legalized gouging, all in the name of protecting us from those evil "brown people" who hate our freedoms.

Bullshiat. Every bit of it.
 
2006-11-19 10:45:42 AM  
Mugato: Do these farking nimrods actually think this is helping in any way? 9/11 happened because of BOX CUTTERS. No one had the liquid binary explosive from Die Hard 3. They had box cutters. And they could do it again. So relax.

Water gel explosive is commercially available. Google it. There's these people called scientists, and they do this thing called science which determined the amount of that could be used as a significant bomb.
 
2006-11-19 10:45:44 AM  
2006-11-19 10:33:50 AM tonguedepressor

An experienced frequent flier A Compliant sheep will divest and get through my ckpt in under a minute.

The people who do not know policy slows The people who actually think and care about their freedom slow the process down to about 5 minutes.

/Fixed that for you.
//If you can't see the difference, you are too stupid for your job.
///Again, please tell me you're trolling
 
2006-11-19 10:45:55 AM  
Just so long as they're not Commie mutant traitors.

/loves Friend Computer
 
2006-11-19 10:47:33 AM  
LARD BARON
Gin and Tonic protects against malaria, the quinine in the tonic does it, to be precise. There, new solution, and you'll be happier for it.
 
2006-11-19 10:50:13 AM  
This travel safety advice brought to you by S.C. Johnson.
Gee, I wonder who owns a lot of that stock????
 
2006-11-19 10:52:52 AM  
That's What You Think,

It's faster in the "selectee lane" simply due to the lesser amt of designated travelers in this normally dedicated lane.

The downside is, that you have go through the puffer or get patted down and then get all your carry-on pawed through.

I'm sorry if you've had problems with TSA security in the past but I stand by my last statement and say that I have had nearly nothing but good interactions with people. I approach it simply by treating people the way I'd want myself and my family treated.

As for prime objective, I think we can agree that the one goes with the other.
 
2006-11-19 10:53:11 AM  
can someone please explain to me how placing potentially explosive binary liquids in a ziplock makes them less explosive? am I missing something here, because this seems unbelievably ineffective, wasteful, and downright idiotic.
 
2006-11-19 10:56:32 AM  
hedgefrog:

"///Again, please tell me you're trolling"

ok, ok you win, here...

sigh..."you're trolling"

there, happy now pissant?
 
2006-11-19 11:02:14 AM  
tonguedepressor: As for prime objective, I think we can agree that the one goes with the other.

No we can't agree. I want to travel. I do not want to stand in a line and get harassed (and threatened at least once so far) by some high school flunkie who is supposedly keeping us safe from the evildoers.
 
2006-11-19 11:02:37 AM  
tonguedepressor

You can travel domestically with an unlimited amt of cash.


Wrong.

"Eighth Circuit Appeals Court ruling says police may seize cash from motorists even in the absence of any evidence that a crime has been committed."
 
2006-11-19 11:02:59 AM  
(Not calling you a flunkie, it just seems like the majority of their staff are not the brightest folks around)
 
2006-11-19 11:05:56 AM  
stiletto_the_wise

Wow. I had never heard of that. They took their life savings because a dog barked at it.

It is time we create an all new paradigm. Remember kids, regime change begins at home!
 
2006-11-19 11:07:02 AM  
tonguedepressor
ok, ok you win, here...

sigh..."you're trolling"

there, happy now pissant?

With people as stupid as you appear to be running security checkpoints, no not happy at all.
 
2006-11-19 11:10:00 AM  
hey Stiletto, we're currently talking about AIR travel not cars and on domestic flights that originate and end w/in the confines of the US borders, their are no limits to amt of cash you can carry.
 
2006-11-19 11:11:59 AM  
but I'll abide by the policy until they change it.

That's the problem.

I will NEVER fly unless I am leaving the country permanently.
 
2006-11-19 11:16:26 AM  
Mugato, speaking as someone who's never been comfortable on a flight, ever, I'm all for the cryosleep. No matter how many pills I take I can't seem to achieve that effect during a flight.
 
2006-11-19 11:23:13 AM  
You can also carry your cell phone and your broken camera as these do not pose any security threat.

I could easily use my "broken" camera as a shell.

In another instance, I carried on a used automobile muffler in a duffel bag. The security person said they had to get their supervisor and didn't return for 5 minutes. I got sick of waiting, walked away, and boarded the plane.
 
2006-11-19 11:30:53 AM  
At this point, none of this crap really has anything to do with terrists, and they're just doing it because they know they can get away with it. It's not going to stop until people wise up and start boycotting air travel.
 
2006-11-19 11:32:07 AM  
Yes, you should check all your baggage to avoid all these rules, but do not store your laptop in your baggage. Carry it in its own bag or those baggage monkeys will break it.

If you don't know how to use those self check in kiosks, then get the fark out of the way and watch others do it. Keep your boarding pass and photo id handy at all times; don't bury it your old ladies' purse.
 
2006-11-19 11:32:20 AM  
ISeeYourDisease

"I could easily use my "broken" camera as a shell.

In another instance, I carried on a used automobile muffler in a duffel bag. The security person said they had to get their supervisor and didn't return for 5 minutes. I got sick of waiting, walked away, and boarded the plane."



Dude, you are very strange.
 
2006-11-19 11:35:05 AM  
You don't professionalize unless you federalize. Can't wait to have "professional" health care!
 
2006-11-19 11:37:58 AM  
When they stop taking my babies' car seats and give me a proper apology for endangering my kids' lives last time, then and only then will I fly again. Or, more realistically, when my kids have outgrown car seats--assuming nothing else retarded has cropped up in the interim. I've already warned my family that I will NEVER fly again if the flight industry institutes cavity searches and I've been given a "get out of reunions free" pass if that happens.

It's a shame: I travelled a lot as a kid--coast to coast in Canada, down into the States, and over to Europe--and it was a really positive experience I'd like to give my kids (cash permitting). However, if it comes at a price of humiliation and risk to life and limb, it just ain't worth it.

/yes, I called security a threat to life and limb
//when you take away safety equipment, you're a threat
///suck my menstrual coochie, CSA
 
2006-11-19 11:38:30 AM  
If the liquids that are being confiscated are possibly hazardous, why are they being thrown away? Aren't they potential hazmats? Shouldn't some kind of special disposal team come and take them and contain them? They treat abandoned baggage like bombs, shouldn't the confiscated liquids be treated similarly?
Or, is the theory that hair gel and Evian and yogurt become explosive when combined in certain quantities? So, as long as the items remain in their original packaging, it's OK?
Or, is this all a load of crap to make us afraid?
 
2006-11-19 11:39:13 AM  
ec2.images-amazon.com
6 oz, damn.

ec1.images-amazon.com
1.5 oz, Awesome!
 
2006-11-19 11:43:50 AM  
"
I'm surprised no one's used ceramic knives yet."

Or fiberglass, or glass. The reason noone does it is that IT WOULDNT FUKING WORK. You pull a knife, get up to the front of the plane and start yelling, you get to say " THis is a hijacking, open the d...." and grandma, little suzie, and the drunk guy in first class will be stomping you to death, because they know its you or them. Its like trying to rob a gun store with your finger in your jacket pocket, it just wont work.
 
2006-11-19 11:44:54 AM  
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

/not obscure
 
2006-11-19 11:51:43 AM  
tonguedepressor

hey Stiletto, we're currently talking about AIR travel not cars and on domestic flights that originate and end w/in the confines of the US borders, their are no limits to amt of cash you can carry.


Maybe not prohibitted by TSA regs, but any cop can sieze your cash it is deemed 'too much' as the only people that carry cash are drug dealers. There was a case in Memphis I think where a street musician had his life savings seized. He did not trust banks, so he kept his roll of 13K or so with him. The cops nabbed him for loitering or some other BS and took and kept his money. The only thing wrong with the money was that he simply had too much of it, and I guess that the cops needed a new DARE vehicle or something.

So yeah, go on not questioning the stupidity of the rules and regulations that you willing enforce. One day you may even get oven duty for being such a true patriot. I mean, if they did not want to be imprisoned, they should have stopped being Muslim or whatever the flavor of the day is.
 
2006-11-19 11:52:13 AM  
Oh this is just farking stupid. DRIVE during the major holidays, folks. Flying during this time of year is for masochistic asshats. If you live too far to drive, then STAY THE fark HOME. Try doing something unique on the holiday for a change. Just save some damn money, because airlines + TSA = giant dildos up the proverbial ass.
 
2006-11-19 11:54:55 AM  
But then were am I going to keep my weed?
 
2006-11-19 12:03:48 PM  
One day I was watching Glenn Beck (I hate his guts, but the interviewee was kinda cool) talked about a story where in an airport after waiting in line 3 hours was told he could bring all his toiletries and whatnot... but ONLY if he had a plastic bag to put them in.

So farking stupid. In no way, IN NO WAY does banning toiletries make us safer. Its just makes life harder. Scare away the terrorists because just getting through security is hell?
 
2006-11-19 12:08:01 PM  
This is pretty farking stupid. Somewhere a bunch of unwashed arseholes are laughing there balls off and thinking of someway to make everyone in the West have to strip at the airport and fly in their undies. Although I would fly more then.
 
2006-11-19 12:08:59 PM  
It's easy to carry a liquid/gel container that's larger than 3.4 with you on the plane. I carry a giant bottle of contact solution and a full-size container of toothpaste with me by throwing it in my cargo pants pockets. They're not made of metal, so they don't set off the detector, and they're not x-rayed, so the TSA dickweed who's looking at the x-ray monitor can't steal it.
 
2006-11-19 12:09:42 PM  
Flew yesterday from Vegas to Boston and got shaken down for a brand new tube of toothpaste (still with the tamper-proof seal intact) because it was over 3oz.

/I felt so much safer on the plane.
 
2006-11-19 12:18:22 PM  
PeaSouper "It's easy to carry a liquid/gel container that's larger than 3.4 with you on the plane. I carry a giant bottle of contact solution and a full-size container of toothpaste with me by throwing it in my cargo pants pockets."

yeah, I've stated as much 2x already in this thread.

try to keep up.
 
2006-11-19 12:20:35 PM  
people people, there is a simple and obvious solution to this problem that you['re all missing, just buy a first class ticket like normal folk. you'll end up in the VIP lounge and will be fast tracked through all security points, so stop being cheap whiny kids and just go first class.


/duh
 
2006-11-19 12:21:45 PM  
I was flying out of Philly last Sunday, and I had my little containers of shaving cream, toothpaste, etc. in my 1 quart ziploc bag. Going through security, the TSA dude grabbed my bag, held it up, and bellowed, "like this, people, this is how you're supposed to carry it!"

I felt like a total teacher's pet.
 
2006-11-19 12:26:51 PM  
I'm glad I don't have to fly anywhere. The safety rules seem to get stupider & stupider everytime I see them and don't provide any real security.
 
2006-11-19 12:40:14 PM  
Idiots.

Not the Home Security asshats, the people. The people of this country are so farking stupid, I wish there was a better place.

Rioting over PS3 and fooootball games, but you allow these pointless searches and siezures.

Are you really this HOPELESS?!
 
2006-11-19 12:51:59 PM  
Do you people need to wash your hair and brush your teeth in the airplane lavatory or something? Or have a bad history of getting your checked bags lost?

Not that I agree with TSA outlawing a state of matter, but it's really not that hard to deal with. I kind of find the extra space in the overhead bins nice, not having to deal with people crushing my small bag of items too delicate to check with their oversized "carry on" bags.

I just need water to survive. So, I bring empty bottles of water with me and fill them up at the water fountain on the other side. I do feel bad for people with liquid medications. I have liquid prescriptions but I still check them because I don't need them on the plane.

Also curious what would happen if one used a 1.1 quart bag, or a 0.9 quart bag, what's the tolerance on that number anyway? How clear is clear (what if it's tinted blue)? What if it's a snap-and-lock but not a "zip" lock? Isn't the name "zip" lock trademarked and therefore only one brand is acceptable?
 
2006-11-19 12:56:11 PM  
femtoamy, quit bringing logic into this! -1 point for you.
 
2006-11-19 12:58:51 PM  
Do you people need to wash your hair and brush your teeth in the airplane lavatory or something? Or have a bad history of getting your checked bags lost?

Neither. But, I fly probably an average of twice a week. Most airports I've been to in the US, I generally have to wait an average of about 15 minutes longer to get my bag from the baggage carousel than if I walked straight from the gate to the rental car shuttle or the taxi stand. Checking a bag every time I fly would cost me 26 hours a year.
 
2006-11-19 01:02:20 PM  
I don't know if this helps or not, but there was a case in the Philippines where an airliner almost crashed because a bomber did have a bomb, using the container for contact lens solution...
 
2006-11-19 01:06:38 PM  
tonguedepressor
You can travel domestically with an unlimited amt of cash.

In theory, yes. However you folks at the TSA have this "arragement" to "notify" the DEA should someone be carrying over $10k in cash, on a DOMESTIC flight. Happened at PHL a couple of times.

You guys haven't made "The Big Catch" yet, so you have to do what you do with bending the rules a bit, huh?
 
2006-11-19 01:18:12 PM  
tonguedepressor
An experienced frequent flier will divest and get through my ckpt in under a minute.

The people who do not know policy slows the process down to about 5 minutes.


The problem with that is the old law of average. On average, 20% of a plane's load hauls in 80% of the airlines' revenue.

That means there are 80% of the seldom traveler. And that's exactly who your agency tries to appeal to...the crowd who thinks that since there are people in freshly pressed shirts who can speak english, we MUST be safer.


Other rants about airport "security"....

Never mind that only about 10% of sir cargo is checked. That tits on a bull "trusted traveler" program basically consists of plugging your ears and crossing your fingers that nothing goes "kaboom" in flight.

I'm sure John Q. Public would be fired up to learn that the catering trucks, nor their drivers, ever get screened.

Oh, and by the way, addressing earlier posts, you CAN board an aircraft without ID. You just get sent to the secondary line to get groped and your belongings rifled through.

ID-checking is such a joke anyway, it's just a revenue protection measure for the airlines.

Air travel used to be fun. Then the TSA came along with their unaccountable, ineffective, piece of shiat bureaucracy.

Kip Hawley is an idiot.
 
2006-11-19 01:18:40 PM  
tonguedepressor: try to keep up.

i wasn't gonna call you a douche. too late.
 
2006-11-19 01:22:12 PM  
www.cnn.com

All this talk of baggies made me get the munchies..
 
2006-11-19 01:22:19 PM  
@ Tonguedepressor

From reading your posts you seem to have something of a god/persecution complex rolled all into one. I'm not saying that to be rude quite honestly. You consistently refer to the people that you serve (and don't forget, it is your job to serve us)in a condescending manner and act as though they are too stupid to follow the rules.

The problem isn't that people are too stupid, it's just that often they don't know the rules have changed/are nervous about their flight/or one of a million other concerns. Meanwhile they are told to stand in line and be subjected to critical inspection and a dizzing array of rules that by and large don't make anyone feel even the slightest bit safer.

If people didn't have to take off their shoes, would the vast majority be worried about another shoe bomber? No likely not.

Furthermore, the bulk of travel originating in the US now has to be planned in accorance with just getting to the gate. No one thinks that TSA's or checkpoints aren't necessary, just that they are ineffective- responding to things far after the fact. Using the shoe bomber as an example- after the fact we have to take off our shoes.

When are airports going to stop acting retroactively on things that really don't pose such a problem to begin with?

That my friend is where people's hostility towards the TSA comes in. That and the fact that quite honestly, the people standing at those counters don't take on an air of even giving a shiat about their job.

Finally, I am personally freaked out every time I fly ((and I can't use the argument re: not using airlines as I live in Hawaii)) because I am waiting for the day when some TSA rep tells me I can't carry my Insulin on board.
 
2006-11-19 01:24:14 PM  
TemporarySanity:
"i wasn't gonna call you a douche. too late."

yeh, I'm sure you weren't trying to be an asshole either. too late for that too.
 
2006-11-19 01:29:50 PM  
One wierd little TSA story for the road- I was in Albuquerque giving my girlfriend a tearful goodbye kiss before going to a security checkpoint. It was empty just a few going through security and I noticed one of the screeners glaring at me while I kissed her.

Two moments later after I had gotten in line, directed to the additional screeing area by that asshole. I'm sure that I must have looked like quite a threat.
 
2006-11-19 01:32:01 PM  
For all you people biatching about uninformed idiots...hey, some of us never fly! I'm flying on Thanksgiving day for the first time in 10 years. If it weren't for Fark, I'd have a carryon full of shampoo, conditioner, cologne, etc...
I've ditched my carryon plans and will put everything in a checked bag, which will, of course, get lost with all my (unwrapped) christmas gifts in it. You experts can tell me what else I need to know about getting on the plane (most importantly, is Thanksgiving morning itself super busy or super empty?)
 
2006-11-19 01:32:31 PM  
See, I live in Hawaii too, and THIS is why I wish the environmental wackos would STFU and let the farking Superferry get started.

Because I'm sick of airport security!

Especially since I travel with scientific instruments that these idiots won't have any clue what the shiat they are. For example, the day after Thanksgiving, I will be flying from Honolulu to Maui carrying five of these:

www.equipcoservices.com

OMG It's square, has a battery, a switch, a tube, it could be a bomb!

And I'd be farked, because there goes 1.5 grand in air sampling pumps.
 
2006-11-19 01:32:51 PM  
I'd post something here about why we should radically change the way the entire country is being run, but the sound of Blackhawk helicopters flying around my house and FBI agents knocking on my door scares me.
 
2006-11-19 01:33:10 PM  
Fathom:

If you had read my earlier posts, you would've read my approach towards my job and the people who come through my airport, but I'll reiterate.

I treat people with courtesy, compassion, tact and professionalism and I'll tell you the reasons why.

For one, it's just a helluva lot easier to be nicer to someone than it is to be a dick and I prefer my job easier.

Two, it makes my job more enjoyable to be sociable and pleasant. I like to joke and interact because it helps make the day go by, and my day is 10.5 hrs long.

And finally, it's the job to be professional and I've had training and experience to be professional in my duties.
 
rka
2006-11-19 01:40:08 PM  
PeaSouper: Neither. But, I fly probably an average of twice a week. Most airports I've been to in the US, I generally have to wait an average of about 15 minutes longer to get my bag from the baggage carousel than if I walked straight from the gate to the rental car shuttle or the taxi stand. Checking a bag every time I fly would cost me 26 hours a year.


So how does that compare to the extra time needed to handle everyone lugging their carry-on's through security, requiring extra time xraying? How does that compare to the extra time needed to board and unboard the plane due to everyone needing to stow and unstow that baggage? You don't think getting on and off the plane would be quicker if everyone checked their bags?
 
2006-11-19 02:03:06 PM  
rka
So how does that compare to the extra time needed to handle everyone lugging their carry-on's through security, requiring extra time xraying? How does that compare to the extra time needed to board and unboard the plane due to everyone needing to stow and unstow that baggage? You don't think getting on and off the plane would be quicker if everyone checked their bags?

Taking the bags through x-ray is a hell of a lot faster than checking them and making them go through the CTX machines.

Not to mention TSA has long had a sticky-finger problem with doing those searches because the CTX machines mistakes toothpaste (or any other opaque items) as an explosive.

That's the problem in this whole war on liquids that Kip "Idiot" Hawley has done. Increases in baggage handling costs to the airlines and increased work for an already slow CTX machine.
 
2006-11-19 02:05:15 PM  
itsfullofstars: Now go find me someone (not working for the government) who thinks the TSA is worth a damn, go on, scoot.

I hated flying long before the TSA, just because of the stinking rat turds who run the airlines.

While the policies are monumentally stupid, I'm one of the seeming few who thinks the experience of dealing with security people improved by orders of magnitude when the TSA took over.

My limited experience has been that the old, private rentacops were about 50-50 between nice people doing an intrusive job as pleasantly and efficiently as possible, and wannabe prison guards who probably had nekkid pictures of themselves holding their badge and cuffs.

The TSA people seem to be efficient, and professional in manner - not particularly pleasant, but not going out of their way to give me shiat, either. They get a list of crap they must do, and they do it.

So, no, I don't think the TSA is worth a damn. But I don't hold that opinion based on their most visible component, the airport screeners.
 
2006-11-19 02:18:56 PM  
Ishidan: Especially since I travel with scientific instruments that these idiots won't have any clue what the shiat they are.

Back in the 80's when I was in grad school, another of the molecular biology students caused quite a stir. He was carrying specimens to another lab by air. In a small cooler full of dry ice. When he got to the screening, he asked that the faintly smoking six-pack sized cooler be hand checked, because "they're tumor viruses, and I wouldn't want the X-rays to mutate them." Hilarity apparently ensued, but he was completely legal (and didactically correct in his statements to the screeners).
 
2006-11-19 02:25:11 PM  
Once at the checkpoint, I noticed that I'd forgotten to remove the tiny, Swiss Army fob from my keyring. I slid it off and handed to the guy at the other end of the x-ray. He looked at it (the blade was about 1-1/2") and handed it back.

Thanks, reasonable security guy!
 
2006-11-19 02:28:31 PM  
i had an interesting experience at ohare a couple weeks ago. since i was flying first class i was in a separate line. i was late for my flight so i didnt check in my luggage. my toothpaste etc were all the mini size but my cologne wasnt. i luckily had a plastic bag i kept my qtips in and the tsa agent basically put everything in there but couldnt seal it. She looked at me and said "lets say it actually closed" and sent me on my way. Yeah, i feel safer. I guess since she knew i was a business traveller she let me through. this was on a sat morning.
 
2006-11-19 03:49:04 PM  
Last time I flew I refused to remove my leather strap sandals. I was calm about it and explained just how stupid and humiliating it was (given the sandals I was wearing). In Houston they were jerks about it, but in Vegas they were cool. What's funny is that they didn't even put up a fuss about my "Offender" (Felony) ID card that I have to carry.

All of this reminds me of those tests that employers sometimes give with questions like, "I have never stolen anything". Who hasn't stolen something in their life? So now the company is hiring liars (all those that answered FALSE).

I could sneak a farkin' DINOSAUR onto a plane if I wished. The TSA is running out of ideas
 
2006-11-19 04:02:58 PM  
So when did they start making ballistics-grade ziploc bags? And when did they change the gripper-zipper lock on the bag so you can't open it on the plane?

Because unless they are ballistics-grade bags that can't be opened three feet passed the security point, this is a total waste of time
 
2006-11-19 04:05:14 PM  
Ishidan: OMG It's square, has a battery, a switch, a tube, it could be a bomb!

And I'd be farked, because there goes 1.5 grand in air sampling pumps.


May want to take the slow boat ferry to Maui and avoid Hawaiian, Aloha and Go!
 
2006-11-19 04:05:55 PM  
vudukungfu
If you fly, you have demontrated you willingness to surrender your rights.
It's that simple...

...Don' give the airlines a penny. Fark 'em if they can't run their lemonaid stand like an independent business...


Much easier said than done there. I know I don't speak just for myself here, because I am sure there are plenty of people out there like me: Going to school 2,500 miles from home, blind, and unable to legally drive because of it. My only choice to get home to see the family for the holidays is to fly as there is not even a Greyhound bus station or a train station near where I live or my parents live.

As much as I dislike all of these new rules the airlines have put out, I will comply with them and suck it up because I value getting places alive.

Sure, you may say that makes me a sheep, but I'm not about to biatch to the workers who are only trying to do their jobs. Bring it up to the higher-ups if you want something done.
 
2006-11-19 04:23:00 PM  
They don't want to prevent a terrorist attack out of a sense of self defense of the country. Even though the odds are insanely low, just one attack would mean the govt. would have no choice but to react, and they don't want to spend the resources on it. It's not part of the plan and would muck things up like trying to privatize Iraq. Before, there were places that were vulnerable, like Afghanistan and Iraq, but there aren't any more places that we can just say, "dammit, we're mad, look out Iran or North Korea...", because we can't attack them unless they overtly attacked us and we knew it was them, a particular nation, that did it. Then, of course, the whole world would be against them.

/oh, never mind. Just drink another beer
 
2006-11-19 04:23:16 PM  
andyman "Because unless they are ballistics-grade bags that can't be opened three feet passed the security point, this is a total waste of time"

the bag is to group the 3.4 oz items together in a measurable way and also be able to see each item.

you probably coulda figured that out if you tried.

perhaps not.
 
2006-11-19 04:36:42 PM  
submitter: "When you travel home this Thanksgiving, airports will be issuing you a 1-quart clear ziploc bag into which you may place toiletries contained in 3-ounce or smaller bottles, citizen comrade"

There, fixed that for you.
/Wish it were a joke.
 
2006-11-19 04:38:28 PM  
After all the security changes that have been made, are people in the U.S. without boarding passes still allowed to go through security to say goodbye to loved ones at the gate???
 
2006-11-19 04:42:20 PM  
you need a reason to get a gate pass if you're not flying and want to get by sec ckpt.

The reasons would be escorting a child or elder/sick relative and you need a valid license to get a gate pass.
 
2006-11-19 05:19:57 PM  
After having a 2oz bottle of hand sanitizer and a 3oz tube of lotion confiscated the last time I flew out of St. Louis, only because because I didn't have them in plastic bags (never mind the fact that they'd obviously fit in a 1 quart bag), it's about time they started providing these bags more often.

/Still, like I told the TSA agent that morning, "This has got to be the dumbest policy I've ever heard of in my life."
//It must be in a clear plastic bag?
 
2006-11-19 05:36:59 PM  
Well, there goes my get rich quick scheme of selling zip-lock baggies at check stations for $3 each down the freaking tubes.

I did the math twice, and I just won't be able to achieve the volume necessary to make a profit selling the bags for $0 each.

...unless I can lower my overhead more...,
 
2006-11-19 05:38:27 PM  
tonguedepressor: I wholeheartedly DO NOT agree with current restrictions regarding liquids and gels particularly of the type that fit into people's pants pockets anyway, but I'll abide by the policy until they change it.

As a TSO myself, I, and many of my co-workers totally agree with this statement.

//ducks and covers
 
2006-11-19 05:39:26 PM  
ruta: After all the security changes that have been made, are people in the U.S. without boarding passes still allowed to go through security to say goodbye to loved ones at the gate???

No, you must have a boarding pass or a gate pass to enter the "sterile" area of the airport.

You also must have either a government issued photo-ID (like a drivers' license or passport) or 2 pieces of non-photo identification (one issued by a government agency) like a social security card and a copy of your auto insurance policy.
 
2006-11-19 05:44:34 PM  
"...having a 2oz bottle of hand sanitizer and a 3oz tube of lotion confiscated the last time.."

sounds quite traumatic.

you coulda kept yer cleaner and lotion (it wasn't confiscated) you just didn't feel like exercising any of the options like bringing it back to your car or checking it or even seeing if your airline was giving out baggies that day.

chances are, there were several instances when you could've become aware of the liquids policies and didn't pay attention.
 
2006-11-19 07:52:24 PM  
ARGH! Switch to metric, for crying out loud. And while you're at it, stop using trademarked names to describe product categories.
 
2006-11-19 10:22:48 PM  
3.4 oz is metric.

1 approx 1 qt size clear ziploc type bag

3.4 ox limit inside said bag

1 bag per person.

oh yeah, take it out and present it at ckpt.

your through like a pro
 
2006-11-19 11:30:26 PM  
Um.... if I remember chem correctly, 3.4 oz isn't metric. Either it's referring to weight/mass (in which case grams are appropriate) or, more likely, it's referring to fluid ounces (in which case mL are appropriate).

I definitely agree on the take the bag out at checkpoint fact though. I'm trying to glean as many tips so I don't get held up on Wednesday's flight home. So much has changed in 2 months since I've last flown.
 
2006-11-20 12:09:33 AM  
tonguedepressor
you probably coulda figured that out if you tried.

perhaps not.



Think about that statement you typed the next time you're trying to figure out why most of the frequent flier community despises the TSA and people like you.
 
2006-11-20 12:23:10 AM  
Okay...so I work for TSA too and... crap I don't even remember how the cliche works....

Came across a B.O.B. today (battery operated boyfriend) spent my time in checkpoint trying to guess whose it was.

Tonguedepressor: Don't be giving away too many secrets bro,
if we enlighten the sheep they'll panic and stampede.

...and in truth, we're just trying to keep bombs off planes. If you can sneak your dope past the dogs, good for you...I'm not going to give it a second look.

...and liquids should NEVER have been allowed back. The british are doing this right. It's only going to get ugly and difficult for the states.

TSA slashies
/Give me a hard time, I think it's entertaining.
//Hit me...you got $2500.00 to throw away on a felony?
///Every day my motivation is "What if my little girl was on this plane?"

Give us a break... the uniforms aren't making the rules, just enforcing them.
 
2006-11-20 01:23:09 AM  
Give us a break... the uniforms aren't making the rules, just enforcing them.

You're just following orders?


/muhahahahaha
//runs
 
2006-11-20 01:46:06 AM  
006-11-19 04:05:14 PM undflickertail

May want to take the slow boat ferry to Maui and avoid Hawaiian, Aloha and Go!

That's what I want the goddamned Superferry for!

Hell, for a few bucks more, I could take my car with me. Suck it, rental car companies! And definitely suck it, humping all that stuff from the car, to the airport, from the airport, into the rental car.

But no, the enviro-wackos want to raise a shiat fit.
 
2006-11-20 08:12:44 AM  
Less02 "Think about that statement you typed the next time you're trying to figure out why most of the frequent flier community despises the TSA and people like you."

Yeah, you don't know what your talking about either so stfu.

/love when people pluck sweeping statements from outta their ass.
 
2006-11-20 10:42:40 AM  
tonguedepressor
Yeah, you don't know what your talking about either so stfu.

/love when people pluck sweeping statements from outta their ass.



Whoopsie! No responses until that one. Looks like I hit a nerve there.

Probably bothers you that you can't give me a retaliatory secondary or ETD every piece in my bag or ask "do you want to fly today," doesn't it?
 
2006-11-20 11:03:09 AM  
LessO2

My statement towards Andyman had nothing to do with flying and everything to do with basic reasoning.

If he had made any attempt to understand the theory about grouping small liquids together in a plastic bag he wouldn't have made his comment, thus my barb was made at his lack of even trying to figure out why a gov't agency would create such policy.

Moreover, if you had made any attempt to figure out my comment towards that end you would've seen I was addressing him as a Farker and not a passenger.

/previous statements stand
 
2006-11-20 11:17:28 AM  
Lesso2

"Not to mention TSA has long had a sticky-finger problem with doing those searches because the CTX machines mistakes toothpaste (or any other opaque items) as an explosive."

It may hearten you to know that for well over a year now there has been certification that all but the newest TSO's have that enable screeners to clear common objects that are recognizable as non threats on the checked baggage side.
 
2006-11-20 11:29:38 AM  
tonguedepressor
It may hearten you to know that for well over a year now there has been certification that all but the newest TSO's have that enable screeners to clear common objects that are recognizable as non threats on the checked baggage side.

Perfectly aware of that.

But there are still plenty of cases out there of "sticky finger syndrome." Especially with the increase on checked baggage because of your boss' liquid fetish.
 
2006-11-20 11:37:09 AM  
tonguedepressor
My statement towards Andyman had nothing to do with flying and everything to do with basic reasoning.

If he had made any attempt to understand the theory about grouping small liquids together in a plastic bag he wouldn't have made his comment, thus my barb was made at his lack of even trying to figure out why a gov't agency would create such policy.

Moreover, if you had made any attempt to figure out my comment towards that end you would've seen I was addressing him as a Farker and not a passenger.

/previous statements stand


Yeah, and I bet you treat everyone like a Farker at the checkpoints too.
 
2006-11-20 12:11:42 PM  
Less02

"Yeah, and I bet you treat everyone like a Farker at the checkpoints too."

Once again you do nothing but substantiate my earlier comments.

If you had taken the time to read my posts, (I made the courtesy of reading all of your's) on how I approach my job you'd know it is my policy to treat passengers with professionalism.

You appear to simply have a hair across your ass for the TSA in general and Kip Hawley in particular.

Although I can't criticize you for the latter, I do take umbrage with you're grouping TSO's in the thieving belligerent asshole's category.
 
2006-11-20 01:07:10 PM  
The only thing the TSA is doing by restricting the amount of liquids in a carry-on and that they go in a plastic bag is to keep your other things in that carry on safe from getting wet.

Right? They do know that this is the only thing this accomplishes right? No way!! They still think people can succesfully make damaging explosives in a plane seat or bathroom with liquids?? BAHAHAHA!!

Next thing you will tell me is that they still think x-rays will spot plastic explosives in shoes. Ohh, so the TSA does know but they aren't admitting it to people. Ah, so the big wigs are "looking busy" to not get hassled.

And for you TSA guys..yes you are keeping sons and daughters safe from actual dangerous weapons(bowie knives, guns), and devices(tazers) and we thank you. "I am doing my job" is fine and no one is saying stand out and get yourself fired, but don't be ignorant while towing the company line when you just need to do a little research. Even if it's just for yourself.

And as heart felt as you might be, sounding like you are doing people a favor by being nice to them makes people disenchanted with you.

/a troll, common sense hybrid.
 
2006-11-20 01:30:29 PM  
finiamh

"And as heart felt as you might be, sounding like you are doing people a favor by being nice to them makes people disenchanted with you."

I'm not nice to people to do them a favor. I'm nice to em because it's easier to be nice than not, it makes my job more enjoyable, and a job requirement.

And you don't think that the screeners who have been there long enough and who have an inkling of understanding of basic physics doesn't know what the hell is going on?

Who's really disenchanted?
 
2006-11-20 01:52:05 PM  
finiamh, you also didn't read my previous posts.

I don't want anyone thinking I'm doing them a favor by being nice to them, I want them to think I'm doing my job correctly.

You realize we are mandated to provide "World Class Customer Service" and that we are supervised to do as such.

If you feel disenchanted because someone is being polite and courteous to you then nothing I say to you will change your point of view.
 
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