Um, if the Democrats want to get the White House and keep Congress, they better come up with something quick. A wall, followed by a back-tax payment program that can lead to citizenship, would be a good start.

Fark It: A wall. . .would be a good start an utterly meaningless gesture designed to placate the mouth-breathing provincials swayed by arguments appealing to jingoism.

Much more accurate.

surfnazi

How are they supposed to calculate undocumented workers' back-taxes?

Take the amount of money that illegals have cost the government and private insurance companies in terms of car accidents, emergency room care, and the cost of educating the children of illegals. Add that all up (that part might take a while). Divide by 20 million.

Boom, whatever we end up with after dividing by 20 million is how much they owe our government.

Pocket Ninja

Fark It: A wall. . .would be a good start an utterly meaningless gesture designed to placate the mouth-breathing provincials swayed by arguments appealing to jingoism.

How do the majority of illegal immigrants enter this country?

/Florida should also repeal the wet-foot/dry-foot law

Fark It: How do the majority of illegal immigrants enter this country?

Ummm..exactly the same way they'll enter it after we finish building an unfunded wall?

PocketNinja


Ummm..exactly the same way they'll enter it after we finish building an unfunded wall?

Are they going to use mutant powers to go through the wall without being detected?

I wonder how long it will take the Democrats to sell out...

DIA


I wonder how long it will take the Democrats to sell out...

They have at least until January.....

Fark It: Are they going to use mutant powers to go through the wall without being detected?

Ah, I get it. You're one of those people who think this will result in a thousand-mile long impregnable fortress, invulnerable to every possible incursion. And that there's money and manpower available to really build such a thing.

(one hint: there's a reason Bush approved, but did not fund, this wall)

The idea of a wall is a sparkly little ball designed to distract the easily distractible from the reality of illegal immigration in this country, which is actually quite simple. It is this: As Long As There Is Demand, There Will Be Illegal Immigration.

There, see? That even fits on a bumper sticker.

You want to get serious about illegal immigration? You want to stop it cold? It's easy, and it won't take a ridiculous wall to do it. All you gotta do is start seizing assets and revoking business licenses from anyone--and I do mean anyone--who hires illegals. One strike, you're out. That neighborhood landscaper who gives you such a good deal on your yard? Fark him. Seize his trucks, deport his workers. Wal-Mart? Close stores where illegals are caught, fine them a billion per incident. Your state representative? Deport his nanny, remove him from office, put him in jail.

And so on. Once you remove any possibility of demand--in other words, once you make it too risky for the white people who are HIRING illegals to actually hire them--illegals will have no reason to come here.

Of course, never mind what that might do to the prices of goods and services. But I'm sure nobody would complain about that. 'Cause, you know, all the bad, bad illegals would no longer be stealing all those jobs so many Americans so desperately want.

Code_Archeologist


Fark It
Um, if the Democrats want to get the White House and keep Congress, they better come up with something quick. A wall, followed by a back-tax payment program that can lead to citizenship, would be a good start.

I wonder, why must our imigration policy specificly target hispanic imigrants. Why do these new imigration policies not take into account illegal Asian and Eastern European imigrants? Why do they specificly target the illegal imigrant and not the businesses which are enabling these criminals (last I checked aiding and abeting was a crime)?

They don't target hispanic immigrants, hispanic immigrants are 90% of the target.

Mexico is the largest source country for unauthorized immigration to the United States.
The estimated unauthorized resident population from Mexico increased from about 2.0 million in
1990 to 4.8 million in January 2000. Mexico's share of the total unauthorized resident
population increased from 58 percent in 1990 to 69 percent in 2000. In addition to Mexico, six
countries had more than 100,000 unauthorized residents in the United States in January 2000 --
El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Honduras, China, and Ecuador.

Also, how would making illegals pay a fine unfairly target hispanics?

Pocket Ninja


Fark It: Are they going to use mutant powers to go through the wall without being detected?

Ah, I get it. You're one of those people who think this will result in a thousand-mile long impregnable fortress, invulnerable to every possible incursion. And that there's money and manpower available to really build such a thing.

(one hint: there's a reason Bush approved, but did not fund, this wall)

The idea of a wall is a sparkly little ball designed to distract the easily distractible from the reality of illegal immigration in this country, which is actually quite simple. It is this: As Long As There Is Demand, There Will Be Illegal Immigration.

There, see? That even fits on a bumper sticker.

You want to get serious about illegal immigration? You want to stop it cold? It's easy, and it won't take a ridiculous wall to do it. All you gotta do is start seizing assets and revoking business licenses from anyone--and I do mean anyone--who hires illegals. One strike, you're out. That neighborhood landscaper who gives you such a good deal on your yard? Fark him. Seize his trucks, deport his workers. Wal-Mart? Close stores where illegals are caught, fine them a billion per incident. Your state representative? Deport his nanny, remove him from office, put him in jail.

And so on. Once you remove any possibility of demand--in other words, once you make it too risky for the white people who are HIRING illegals to actually hire them--illegals will have no reason to come here.

Of course, never mind what that might do to the prices of goods and services. But I'm sure nobody would complain about that. 'Cause, you know, all the bad, bad illegals would no longer be stealing all those jobs so many Americans so desperately want.

Actually, I thought the plan was to put up a wall on the most heavily crossed sections of the border, and then focus our military and border patrol to fill in the gaps. A wall would have been cheaper than Iraq and more beneficial to our national security. Although your plan does have a certain appeal to it. Maybe if after the fine payment and wall go up, and people still hire illegals, then your plan would make sense.

/the government has done nothing, and the problem has gotten worse
//so let's keep doing nothing

SuperSally: However, I wonder what's going to happen when all the low-income Americans who so badly want those jobs start making five and change an hour and realize that they can no longer afford the products.

That's when you'll start seeing the same red-faced 'Mericans who are now yelling about "walls" start kicking, stomping, and yelling about how we need more "guest workers" in the country to fill the low-wage jobs.

Actually, I'd prefer to see towers constructed every 1000 yards or so, randomly manned with sharpshooters to stop the invasion.


I figure after about 10 or so, the mezcans might start rethinking their strategery.

DIA


Actually, I'd prefer to see towers constructed every 1000 yards or so, randomly manned with sharpshooters to stop the invasion.


I figure after about 10 or so, the mezcans might start rethinking their strategery.

I don't know about FR, but out here in reality you can't shoot women and children no matter how brown they are.

Fark It: I don't know about FR, but out here in reality you can't shoot women and children no matter how brown they are.


Who gives a fark about the color of their skin? I suree don't.

ArcadianRefugee: Of the thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants who come here each year, hundreds of them die.


From the elements...it's different when people are shooting at you...

You would think anyway.

This wall could really fark my retirement plans.

knobmaker: I wish you psuedo-conservatives would just come out of the closet and admit your unnatural lust for the Soviet system.


How so? They were trying to keep people in. And to be honest, if you want to come here, I welcome you with open arms.

However, if your first act upon arriving here is illegal, you know it and you do it anyway (and in some cases repeatedly), you have show a general disdain for the place I call home, so get the fark out and stay the fark out.

That's "soviet" how?

Or are you just trying to throw around words that you think make you sound like you know what the fark you are talking about when in reality you have not a clue?

whidbey: Having a well-placed regimen of snipers in imposing towers shoot innocent human beings?


Innocent of what? Illegally invading the United States?

Your proposition is completely totalitarianist. Practically textbook, DIA.

Not in the least. It's "protectionist". Like I said, if they want to be a part of the American experience, come on in, the water's fine. But if your first act is to disobey our sysetem of laws prposely, you have show that you have no regard for this great nation.

But that's the kind of person you want moving in I guess.