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Garanimal		2006-11-14 01:05:36 PM

I believe this deserves the dumbass tag, even though I don't believe in the war in Iraq.

Quite simply, will his death stop the war? Will it even start a dialogue to bring and end to the war? Has it brought favorable attention to the anti-Iraq-war sentiment? Has it even changed ONE PERSON'S MIND in relation to the war?

Ultimately, his demonstration has no effect, and is completely useless, meaningless and absurd.

If you have something to saym say it intelligently, and make a difference through being reasonable. Nutballs like this only detract from sanity.

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 01:06:37 PM

who said anything about your pockets. the gubmint prints money, not you. the gubmint dispenses money, not you.

So those lines of tax deductions on my paystub are not indicative of "the gubmint" taking my money to give to other people?

bake420		2006-11-14 01:07:12 PM

Garanimal: Ultimately, his demonstration has no effect, and is completely useless, meaningless and absurd.

no offense, but i shall add you to my list of omnipotent farkers

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 01:08:32 PM

although the closest they ever come to serving is calling liberals out on the farking internet.

Um, that statement is not entirely correct. You are making some very large, completely unfounded assumptions on whether or not I've "served".

Bf+		2006-11-14 01:09:15 PM

#1 Sign its a troll:
"Secret Master of All Flatulence"
#2: Sign its a troll:
"If you feel that his actions were noble and justified..."

You missed my point, which was, you're a miserable troll.

bake420		2006-11-14 01:09:22 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: So those lines of tax deductions on my paystub are not indicative of "the gubmint" taking my money to give to other people?

a great question is, why is the gubmint dispensing the money, only to tkae it back???? the gubmint has/makes the money...so why are they taking yours???

yes i know this goes into economics, and i am oversimplifying the problem, but look at the very root in a simplistic manner, and it makes ya think WTF???

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 01:09:41 PM

FOAD, plz.

No.

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 01:12:17 PM

why is the gubmint dispensing the money, only to tkae it back???? the gubmint has/makes the money...so why are they taking yours???

Dude, you need to stop rocking the ganja. You need a basic economics course. What happens if the Government just keeps printing more money? The money becomes completely worthless. See "Weimar Republic" for a textbook example.

Craig341		2006-11-14 01:13:01 PM

although the closest they ever come to serving is calling liberals out on the farking internet.

Um, that statement is not entirely correct. You are making some very large, completely unfounded assumptions on whether or not I've "served.

Fine.

If you've served, I applaud you for that. But this is kinda a delicate topic, what with some guy killing himself over the Iraq War. Jokes aren't really applicable here.

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 01:14:15 PM

Jokes aren't really applicable here.

Yes, they are. This is Fark. Get over yourself.

slayer199		2006-11-14 01:17:03 PM

bake420:

you print your own money...last i checked, the federal gubmint was the only one to do that...so whos money is it really?

Read the Constitution sometime...covered.

it is the little green paper you are givin for your worth

because you do something(i.e. job) yes, you deserve more little pieces of paper for luxeries.

but a person has somekinda something about inalienable rights...and the society created her in this country dictates you have to have a certaIn amount of little green pieces of paper to eek out the most modest of existence

First off, the unalienable rights you speak of come from the Declaration of Independence. As stated there, those rights are endowed by the Creator (whomever you think created you), NOT by the government. Among those rights are life, liberty and the "pursuit of happiness." Those rights NOT guaranteed by anyone. Not by government...you have those at birth.

Secondly, nothing in the Constitution guarantees you anything other than the freedom to live your life. Your perspective absolves responsibility from the individual...placing the responsibility on the government.

Thirdly, the Bill of Rights guarantees certain freedoms (this was a big battle at the Constitutional Convention, why "grant rights" to that the People already have.) The Government is granted power, while the People have rights.

Finally, the more power you grant to the government, the fewer freedoms the People have. It doesn't matter what party is in control (Democrats or Republicans), they'll exploit that power and expand it.

Read a little history sometime. If you want the Founding Fathers perspective when writing the Constitution, try reading the Federalist Papers.

/hates both parties

bake420		2006-11-14 01:18:07 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: What happens if the Government just keeps printing more money?

that is not at all what i am saying, i know about that.
what i am saying is the gubmint is not even close to being competent in managing money when they pass it out, then take it back (again, oversimplified)

if you have a gubmint, the populace is thier only concern.

if you really want to discuss this let me know. i will continue, but again with the oversipmlification,looking at it as "tribal" (micro, macro, whatever)

the point being the gubmint has a serious disconnect with thier responsibilties to the populace of thier society

slayer199		2006-11-14 01:20:47 PM

Craig341:

Jokes aren't really applicable here.

bake420		2006-11-14 01:21:12 PM

slayer199: Secondly, nothing in the Constitution guarantees you anything other than the freedom to live your life.

the society created by this govt goes a long way in preventing anyone from existing without partaking of the system that is at hand

Those rights NOT guaranteed by anyone. Not by government...you have those at birth.

see above statement

Finally, the more power you grant to the government, the fewer freedoms the People have. It doesn't matter what party is in control (Democrats or Republicans), they'll exploit that power and expand it.

preaching to the choir here

/hates both parties

agreed

slayer199		2006-11-14 01:24:42 PM

bake420:

the society created by this govt goes a long way in preventing anyone from existing without partaking of the system that is at hand

Unfortunately yes...and so long as we have a 2-party system, it will continue.

preaching to the choir here

Wow...we agree.

bake420		2006-11-14 01:27:51 PM

slayer199: Wow...we agree.

amazing how that happens at times ;o)

gubmint needs to realize its position in the whole scheme of things once again

/dammit, missed the whole 5 Nov. AGAIN

IPOOPONU		2006-11-14 01:33:05 PM

WTF dude!
Gray text on a white background??
What kind of website does that? Not a serious one.
Maybe they should use invisible text next time, ya know, for that ultra hip look.

Harry Pooter		2006-11-14 01:36:35 PM

you print your own money...last i checked, the federal gubmint was the only one to do that...so whos money is it really?

it is the little green paper you are givin for your worth

because you do something(i.e. job) yes, you deserve more little pieces of paper for luxeries.

but a person has somekinda something about inalienable rights...and the society created her in this country dictates you have to have a certaIn amount of little green pieces of paper to eek out the most modest of existence

Okay, that settles it conclusively: pot destroys your brain.

bake420		2006-11-14 01:45:27 PM

Harry Pooter: Okay

feel free to make assumptions.
but for the love of everything sacared, dont educate yourself or try to experience free thought (and no i am not refering to drugs) go contemplate something other than the number of holes in the cieling of the basement (see, everyone can make assumptions on the intratubes)

HoityToity		2006-11-14 01:49:20 PM

WCUServo, good to see you're still kicking, man. It's Bryan, in case you hadn't guessed. First names be damned! I'll keep an eye out for you from now on now that I know you're a Farker. Cheers!

damonkboy		2006-11-14 01:53:09 PM

I hate to tell you but in reality, money is already worthless, we haven't been on the gold or even the silver standard for decades. Money is worth the paper it is on, except in our heads. It has imaginary worth.

bake420		2006-11-14 01:57:02 PM

damonkboy: It has imaginary worth.

it has always been in our head, an agreed upon thing.
what value does gold have over say, titanium?
but when gubmints fail, the delusion fades and an angry mob appears

neonrisk		2006-11-14 01:57:14 PM

Why do we need to know what kind of music this guy was in to?

Evanesence fan slits wrists for third time.

GavinTheAlmighty		2006-11-14 01:57:42 PM

maffick

I apologize if I misconstrued what you said, which apparently I did. However, you did make some generalizations in there, which were false. You really, REALLY made it sound like you believe that Tatsuma speaks for all Jews. He has never claimed to do so, and it is foolish on your part to believe that he is doing so. That's all I wanted to get across.

bake420		2006-11-14 01:57:48 PM

damonkboy: I hate to tell you BUT OSU is gonnsa kick ass ;o)

neonrisk		2006-11-14 01:59:54 PM

You really, REALLY made it sound like you believe that Tatsuma speaks for all Jews.

Wrong

You really, REALLY made it sound like Tatsuma believes that he speaks for all Jews.

Correct!

Harry Pooter		2006-11-14 02:05:23 PM

feel free to make assumptions.
but for the love of everything sacared, dont educate yourself or try to experience free thought (and no i am not refering to drugs) go contemplate something other than the number of holes in the cieling of the basement (see, everyone can make assumptions on the intratubes)

Oh please, you're not some enlightened sage, you are burnout jackass braying about civic issues on a seventh grade level.

But, please, keep explaining how the US Mint is lIke soooooooooo <i>totally</i> oppressing us dUde (it is an inaleanble rIght on teh intratubes) ;o)

bake420		2006-11-14 02:11:01 PM

Harry Pooter: But, please,, consider my typing skills rather than ideas.

you are burnout
wow, you are like so omnipotent man, like how do you know all about me??? for real though.

keep displaying/promoting ignorance rather than sharing ideas...it really does make the world so much better

/asshat

Head_Shot		2006-11-14 02:25:25 PM

Meh. He was just lazy, and didn't want to bother himself with actually doing anything constructive to solve what he saw as a problem, because that would require ACTUAL WORK. Instead, he takes the easy way by jotting down a note and offing himself.

He was obviously suicidal to begin with.

And he leaves wife and kids behind........good job, asshat.

I think his "statement" is really just a cover-up for his guilt for committing suicide, so he can feel okay with it.

Suicide is the easy way OUT. The committed individual sticks around to see the effects of their actions, and keeps pushing towards their goal. It's called persistence and constitution, and it's really the only way problems ever get solved.

slayer199		2006-11-14 02:36:55 PM

bake420:

damonkboy: I hate to tell you BUT OSU is gonnsa kick ass ;o)

That was short-lived. I disagree. Michigan is due to kick some Buckeye butt...and they've got the D to shutdown Troy Smith, Pittman, and Ginn.

bake420		2006-11-14 02:39:56 PM

slayer199: That was short-lived.

I really did LOL

I am sure there will be a thread sat, sun, mon?
see you there, to either give abuse or recieve!!!

beekayy		2006-11-14 02:41:30 PM

I just came in to see if this made anyone else think of "Harold and Maude".

Harry Pooter		2006-11-14 02:42:26 PM

like how do you know all about me???

User name, admitted drug use, wording your posts like Shaggy from Scooby Doo, lack of even a basic attempt at punctuation and capitalization, wanton misspellings, randomly capitalized letters in the middle of words, wild pontification about a system meant to keep the working man down, flights of introspective fancy (i.e., "have you ever stopped to think about mOney I mean really think about it???it maKes you go WTF????"), believing yourself to be privy to intellectual and philosophical truths out of reach of the ordinary man, encouraging your critics to expand their minds, etc.

If it walks, talks, looks, smells, thinks and shiats like a duck, it's probably a duck. If you're not a burnout, you're doing a fine job of portraying one on Fark.

bake420		2006-11-14 02:52:50 PM

Harry Pooter: If you're not a burnout, you're doing a fine job of portraying one on Fark.

thank you
i am an engineer (mechanical, not computer)
i am a member of mensa
and ahabitual student

these are facts, whether you believe them or not, matters none to me. if i have lousy typing skills, well, i am not turning in posts on fark for peer review.

believing yourself to be privy to intellectual and philosophical truths out of reach of the ordinary man

again with the omnipotence...whats the lotto this week

yes i may speak whimsically and type terribly, and yes i may smoke dope (FYI, didn't partake regularly till after i got my first college degree)

but again, of you would rather fling poo than share and discuss ideas, why then by all means knock yourself out, but i am done wasting time with you

socalnewwaver		2006-11-14 02:52:54 PM

Mr.Churka: He set himself on fire because he believed, as many others believe, that two photos ended the Vietnam war

yah, except that second photo doesn't have anything to do with protesting the vietnam war. thich quang duc set himself on fire to protest the (catholic) diem government's suppression of buddhists.

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 02:57:01 PM

Money is worth the paper it is on, except in our heads. It has imaginary worth.

Well, my plan is to go to the gunshow this weekend, put down some money with imaginary worth, and get some guns and ammunition with REAL worth. As long as I can keep doing that, I'm OK with money.

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 02:58:42 PM

i am a member of mensa

Ah. No people skills, eh?

/wearing Mensa shirt is sure way to guarantee you will NOT get laid withpout drugging your partner first

bake420		2006-11-14 02:59:52 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: and get some guns and ammunition with REAL worth.

i believe the word you are looking for is real PERSUASION (i probably mis-spelled that, but i am sure some one will let me know (really need to update work comp to FFox 2)

bake420		2006-11-14 03:02:01 PM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Ah. No people skills, eh?

a good part of the time ;o)

but i do not wear the shirt...just like I dont have tattoos and piercings that are visable ;o)

F the other 98% ;o)

CLP		2006-11-14 03:10:08 PM

I've come to believe that the sole purpose of golo606 posting here is so she can keep telling people that she isn't German... in order to avoid the questions and criticisms that she can't answer.

/all while being self-righteous
//all while bemoaning Americans for their lack of understanding and their stereotyping... by showing a lack of understanding and stereotyping Americans...
///we all live in glass houses (Europeans too!), so by all means, start chucking stones
////self-righteousness isn't justified just because you think you're right... it just means we can file you in the drawer with all the other twits who believe their shiat doesn't smell
//slashies!

GavinTheAlmighty		2006-11-14 03:24:52 PM

neonrisk

You really, REALLY made it sound like Tatsuma believes that he speaks for all Jews.

Just because you want something to be true, doesn't necessarily mean it's true. He's come out several times and stated that he doesn't speak for all Jews. And even if he said he did, so what? I can say I'm farking Jewel Staite, that doesn't necessarily make it so.

borland502		2006-11-14 03:53:31 PM

golo606

You know how i picture your average American men, based on their comments in the threads...They're the drunk guys in the camper van in the Borat film. If you've seen it you'll know exactly what I mean. Sad, sad, misguided, misogynistic, racist clones of eachother.

Do you know how I picture the average Japanese national based on Anime and those weird game shows? Those sick, misguided, misogynistic, perverts should get a clue.

Your heart bleeds for humanity, I get it. But the sheer breathtaking sweep of your bias is unbelievable. You go into a Fark thread and treat the usual internet posting nonsense as the true character of an entire nation. Then you have the gall to take offense at the narrow portrait of Germany (yes, yes, I know, you aren't a German national) in the context of Nazi crimes.

The US hosts an amalgamation of websites to suit any viewpoint on earth. Fark is no more the bellwether of the entire nation then the Democratic Underground or the Free Republic.

Does it really escape your attention that your empty platitudes spring from the same well that produces "Glass Parking Lot" and "France Surrenders" comments? At least, I hope your rhetoric does not represent how you conduct yourself in real life. Coping with intense waves of pity every time you see an American must be rough.

damonkboy		2006-11-14 03:55:15 PM

socalnewwaver:

The guy in Vietnam self-immolating had everything to do with the war. We were there propping up Diem, who was in turn oppressing the Buddhists.

bake420:

Hey I live in Ann Arbor, doesn't mean I'm a huge Michigan fan. Though I don't care for the frigging Buckeyes, either. My heart bleeds gold and blue, not maize and blue. If only WVU had beat Louisville...

SacriliciousBeerSwiller		2006-11-14 03:56:22 PM

If it's the statue I'm thinking of, he couldn't have come up with a sillier, less dramatic, unintentionally hilarious place to carry out such a self-important gesture.

He had to have been mantally ill.

Otherwise he was a dick. Suicide is the most selfish act one can carry out.

bake420		2006-11-14 04:05:10 PM

damonkboy: Hey I live in Ann Arbor, doesn't mean I'm a huge Michigan fan.

I tried, but i did get slayer!!!!

Secret Master of All Flatulence		2006-11-14 04:42:31 PM

i believe the word you are looking for is real PERSUASION

Nope. Guns and ammo have real worth. They can be bartered regardless of the state of the economy. And the more anarchy there is, the higher their value goes. When you come right down to it, they also have real worth if they are used. If somebody is going to harm you, and you shoot them in the face a lot, the gun and ammo was literally worth your life.

So Fark So Good		2006-11-14 04:58:37 PM

Ugh, all I can focus on is this for some reason:

"All of these people remember Ritscher warmly"

Beauf		2006-11-14 05:05:54 PM

What, no photoshops of Bleeding Gums Murphy on fire?

The_Pole_Of_Justice		2006-11-14 05:30:41 PM

Submitter here.

Did none of these "he's a crazy dipshiat" people RTFA? That's dealt with, people.

Guess everyone's too busy being right to bother knowing what they're talking about.

Bf+		2006-11-14 05:42:06 PM

The_Pole_Of_Justice / subby:

Great submission, really makes you think.

Unfortunately Fark is becoming a lot like Yahoo message boards where people never really RTFA, but instead prefer to hurl insults at each other. Discussion and clever jokes have been replaced with personal attacks and lowest-common-denominator "jokes." I wish I knew why this is the case-- I really miss the Fark days of old.

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