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2006-11-11 04:01:36 PM
members.cox.net
 
2006-11-11 04:04:13 PM
This writer is a moran. MS Tech Specs say Vista will run on 512 megs of ram, recommend 1 gig. Where did he pull 2gig suggest 4gig out of?

\whateva
 
2006-11-11 04:14:23 PM
The guy who wrote the article made more of a case that he's a whiny biatch than he did against Vista...

He could have just written, "I don't like it because I don't want to like it" and been more accurate than what he actually wrote.
 
2006-11-11 04:18:39 PM
I agree some of his comments are whiny- but his point about vista not really offering any substantive improvement over xp is valid. Other than the enhanced security features, the rest appears to be window dressing.
 
2006-11-11 04:23:58 PM
Dinki: Other than the enhanced security features, the rest appears to be window dressing.

So the extra processor power support and DirectX 10 stuff means nothing to you?
 
2006-11-11 04:51:54 PM
JohnnyC

I'm not a gamer and I'm running an operating system that already has a decent processor scheduler? Vista is just MS playing catchup with OS X and *nix with regards to kernel-level functions, and graphics-wise, is just MS further trying to eliminate any possibility of compatibility. Regarding graphics, I'd be willing to wager that the real reason for DX10 is the fact that DX9 is well supported by Cedega. Gotta keep their monopoly going, yo.
 
2006-11-11 04:59:11 PM
Chakat: DX9 is well supported by Cedega.

Yes, Microsoft is quivering in its boots over Cedega.
 
2006-11-11 06:16:11 PM
I got as far as number one asserting Vista needs 2 GB of RAM to run. I've run it on 512 MB and 1GB with zero trouble, including getting Aero glass and good performance.
 
2006-11-11 07:06:28 PM
Im running Vista right now. I am far from a Vista or MS fan. However, the guy who wrote this is a complete farking moron. Not one of his reasons made any sense. The best one was probably about the ram, and he was completely wrong because my system with 1GB of ram us running vista, aim, firefox and some other assorted crap right now with 550 megs of ram free.
 
2006-11-11 07:12:33 PM
Writer likes to make stuff up.
 
2006-11-11 07:21:28 PM
What these statements tell us, one at a time
1) I have not tried the Betas or RCs, and have therefore not found that Vista runs buttery smooth with only one gig of RAM
2) So don't use any of the social networking programs that are there. Myspace exists, you aren't forced to use it to use Google. I want the social networking apps, because of some of the features in them that are of use to me.
3) No fark. If I wern't forced to upgrade my software, then I would question this being a new OS. Alot has changed, most for the better, and if the ISVs want to charge you to upgrade their product and you don't want to, then DON'T BUY THEIR farkING PRODUCT.
4) This again goes to the RCs and Betas, none of the hardware in my custom built computer did not work from the get go in them. MS has done a great job in having a great selection of default drivers.
5) Vista is easier to use, and I have had a much better time in keeping it running for weeks than I have with XP. It is easier for me to find things in Vista, and it does not make me nearly as frustrated when I use it.

This guy is a farktard, there are areas in Vista that do have issues, and most likely still will when we get it in January, but when I read blogs like this, it makes me think that there must be nothing wrong with the OS if this is all they can attack.
 
2006-11-11 07:21:54 PM
I've heard Vista only needs 1Gb of RAM. But he does make a point... I'm not trying to find a cure for cancer. Everything works for me now, and it's gonna work fine on XP for a number of years.

Whats the big deal?
 
2006-11-11 07:27:15 PM
We all know the truth - Windows XP is perfectly fine, and Microsoft's PR machine is just inventing reasons for us to buy something we don't need.

The exact same thing could be said about Windows 2000. On every point in fact. Yet here he is using Windows XP, then whining about the same Microsoft PR machine that he has already fellated.

In two years he'll be writing the same thing about whatever their next OS is, and saying "Windows Vista is just fine for me. And fine for you, too."
 
2006-11-11 07:34:12 PM
I got as far as point number one and stopped reading. 2 Gig RAM? What are you smoking? I ran a beta version with half that RAM and an onboard graphics card on an old box.

I will be the first to bash Vista, suggesting people stick with XP or use Linux, but this is utter nonsense.
 
2006-11-11 07:38:26 PM
I agree with this guy 100%.

/windows 3.0 FTW
 
2006-11-11 07:40:31 PM
Dinki

There's more to Vista than just the new interface.

Superfetch, readyboost and readydrive to name a few...
 
2006-11-11 07:42:27 PM
Vista has a number of important improvements. Most of those improvements are in areas that the average user won't know or care about-- cleaner API, navitve IP6 support, better security, etc.

Microsoft is in a real bind. Their most dangerous competion is not with Apple or Linux, but with older versions of their own software.


As far as supplying everything the average user wants or needs, MS pretty much hit the mark with Windows 2000 and Office 97.

Frankly, from the user's point of view, software quality from Microsoft has been downhill from there.

The only reason the vast majority of people upgraded from Windows 2000/Office 97 is that the newer software came preloaded on their computer.

XP added some nice bells and whistles, but at the cost of massive bloat and unending security nightmares. AND MS even had the gall to add in crap that nobody wanted but were forced to accept anyway because MS is a monopoly-- like Windows Activation.

And what the hell is the deal with Windows Genuine Advantage?!? What "Advantage" does it supply to the end user?

Face it-- From the average user's point of view, XP is not a good an operating system as 2000. The average user may not realize this, but that doesn't change the truth of the matter.

Vista, I think, will continue this disturbing trend. It will look a lot nicer and will likely be more secure out of the box, but only at the cost of VASTLY heavier hardware requirements and ever more draconian anti-pirate/anti-privacy/DRM measures forced on the users.

Meanwhile, my Windows 2000 box will just keep chugging right along, doing everything I need it to do-- probably long after Microsoft declares it has reached "End of Life."

Now that Vista is out the door, Microsoft will be frantically moving towards a subscription based software model. They're not stupid-- it's the only way they can survive as a business.

I suspect the next major version of Windows and Office will require a periodic connection to a subscription server. For a "small" fee every month you will get automatic upgrades-- new security patches, virus signature files, and maybe an occasional new (and very pretty) background wallpaper.

Quit paying the montly fee, though, and your $800 computer becomes a useless hunk of metal and plastic.

Unless you install Linux-- an option that someday might not be available to people in the U.S. when/if MS starts suing open source coders over software patents.

-----------------------

That's the way Microsoft wants your software to work in the 21st century.

Will you let them?


/Want to play games? Vista will be AWESOME for that. More power to ya. Yay games.
//OR, you could just buy a Wii
 
2006-11-11 07:51:33 PM
Chakat: Regarding graphics, I'd be willing to wager that the real reason for DX10 is the fact that DX9 is well supported by Cedega. Gotta keep their monopoly going, yo.

hahaha. nice one.
 
2006-11-11 08:01:23 PM
I gotta say, this guy has sand in his vagina.
 
2006-11-11 08:04:40 PM
Riche

I agree with much of what you posted, specifically MS's switch to subscrptions and that 2000 was better than XP, plus the whole DRM issue. However, I disagree with you over people not switching over to Linux distros. Once people find out that they have to pay for their OS, I think there will be mass migration to a free alternative. People that say that Linux is not ready for the desktop are out of line. For Fark's sake, my parents are using Debian.

/I could be wrong
//wouldn't be the first time
 
2006-11-11 08:04:56 PM
Ok, People. Raise your hand if you are a tech that will have to support end users on this OS no matter how much we whine about it? What it comes down to is this: Microsoft will keep forcefeeding OSs into the market. No matter how much we complain about it, it will not stop their onslaught. If you wish to avoid Vista, don't buy it, build your own box in your bunker, and build your OS from kernel source code. The average end user will still be using whatever Redmond shoves out. Apple does the same thing but they have significantly fewer users so the complaint threads never see daylight.
\If I wanted Vista-bashing threads, I would go to a Mac/Linux forum site
\\How long must I wait before Vista threads go away?
 
2006-11-11 08:05:34 PM
WALMART.saves

I agree with this guy 100%.

/windows 3.0 FTW


I think you would be most pleased upgrading.
Win 3.11 for Workgroups would bring clarity into your life.
 
2006-11-11 08:08:06 PM
There's no reason to hate Vista- after all, you don't have to use it.
 
2006-11-11 08:35:13 PM
This guy is a moron, but that doesn't make vista suck less.
 
2006-11-11 08:36:27 PM
2006-11-11 08:08:06 PM FuturePastNow [TotalFark]
There's no reason to hate Vista- after all, you don't have to use it.


A lot of people on Fark will have to support it.
 
2006-11-11 08:47:14 PM
You need 5?
 
2006-11-11 08:53:03 PM
Not the five I was expecting. No mention of the other eleventy three.
 
2006-11-11 08:57:18 PM
Gahbrone FTW.

Are his "complaints" valid? Jeez, I don't use the calculator in XP, should I whine about it? How about notepad? Paint? Dude, if you don't like an application DO NOT USE IT.

That said, the author is a whiny baby with a diaper rash.
 
2006-11-11 09:03:04 PM
www.blorge.comgraphics.jsonline.com
Seperated at birth?
 
2006-11-11 09:17:10 PM
All you people are such farking whiners.

I'm reading Fark with my Commodore C-64 off of a goat-powered generator, and you don't hear me complaining about it.
 
2006-11-11 09:22:35 PM
BigDumbGuy
I agree with much of what you posted, specifically MS's switch to subscrptions and that 2000 was better than XP, plus the whole DRM issue. However, I disagree with you over people not switching over to Linux distros. Once people find out that they have to pay for their OS, I think there will be mass migration to a free alternative. People that say that Linux is not ready for the desktop are out of line. For Fark's sake, my parents are using Debian.

/I could be wrong
//wouldn't be the first time


------------------

I hope to hell you're right.

Ubuntu and its variants are almost there-- the recent distro I've played with still has a couple of annoyances that I hope get fixed soon. Damn impressive software overall.

I'm scared that someday Microsoft will start suing the various Linux distros and some of their largest users over software patents. I see their working with Novell as a bad sign.

I can easily imagine MS cutting patent deals with Novell, IBM, and maybe Oracle and then start suing all the others out of existance.

Boom. Every desktop Linux distro gone, along with most of the server distros. Wouldn't Microsoft love that?

No way MS could completely stamp desktop linux out, of course, but forcing it underground would be almost as good as far as they are concerned.
 
2006-11-11 09:49:57 PM
I'm running the Vista release candidate now, and it runs prefec&+__-=()(&^^$&@%^$^$#%$KLMP^^%^*%&&&%Y*T%$@#^*&
 
2006-11-11 09:57:43 PM
Riche: Microsoft is in a real bind. Their most dangerous competion is not with Apple or Linux, but with older versions of their own software.

So true. Also, they can't drastically gut their UI, things have to remain consistent with previous versions because that's what people are used to. I'm sure they'd love to abandon certain things, but simply can't.
 
2006-11-11 10:39:24 PM
Riche: I'm scared that someday Microsoft will start suing the various Linux distros and some of their largest users over software patents. I see their working with Novell as a bad sign.

i don't. i see their working with novell as a concession that this is the only way they'll get into the profitable datacenter market with some large enterprises - by co-existing peacefully and nicely with *nix. and as a way to save some - though primarily european - markets that have announced they cannot deal with microsoft anymore if file interoperability isn't guarenteed and if the document format isn't open so that files can definitely be opened in the future.
novell kinda sold their soul to the devil a bit, but it's the only way they will catch up to red hat in the enterprise market.

i've read analysts siding with either of us, so i suppose only the future will tell.
 
2006-11-11 11:03:02 PM
Microsoft is in a real bind. Their most dangerous competion is not with Apple or Linux, but with older versions of their own software.

That's because most people are sheep and don't even consider other superior options as viable. Or they're anti-Apple zealots.
 
2006-11-11 11:23:22 PM
Riche After some thinking, I retract some of my thoughts on Linux. Yes, my parents use Debian. Guess who put it on their box and spent forever getting their Wifi and printer to work? Just for shiats and giggles, I installed Ubuntu Edgy Eft (using it as I speak) on an old box. I got everything working right within an hour (helps that it is Debian based which I know well). I cannot imagine my parents trying to install it. It is not quite out of the box ready to go for your parent's! It is pretty close, though.
 
2006-11-11 11:29:34 PM
www.blorge.comwww.probertencyclopaedia.com
 
2006-11-11 11:32:31 PM
OK, hot linking is bad.

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2006-11-11 11:44:40 PM
Mordis A technet it was recommended that you use:

1.8ghz machine
2gb RAM
128mb DX9 Video card

Meh...
 
2006-11-11 11:53:01 PM
boot20: Mordis A technet it was recommended that you use:

i spent all last week looking at demos/hands-on session with vista running in virtual machines on hosts with 1.5-2Ghz and, admittedly, 2GB of RAM - but a good part of that would have been the host OS running up to three VMs at the same time.

seemed zippy, too.
 
2006-11-12 12:17:17 AM
DIRECTX10 changes all your fairy-minds that are against upgrading to Vista.
 
2006-11-12 01:24:06 AM
I can't imagine running Vista with less than 1 gig of RAM. You'll need 2 gig if you want to get any decent performance at all out of apps like Photoshop.
 
2006-11-12 08:54:34 AM
Can anyone currently using Vista, with no apps runnign, do a screenshot of the Task Manager? I would liek to see what it has running
 
2006-11-12 10:13:30 AM
If I have to upgrade to Vista to keep playing games, then I'm going to stop playing games.
 
2006-11-12 10:41:27 AM
I just want to know why the fark vista has to be so damned graphics/system intense for the sake of prettiness. WTF, the only reason I'd buy it is for Dx10 support for games. I don't want my opporating system hogging up half my resources before I even boot up UT2k7.

Please tell me that you can tweak it to turn off all of that crap.
 
2006-11-12 11:40:15 AM
nuclear potato: \\How long must I wait before Vista threads go away?

Till the next version of windows comes out.

g-spank: That's because most people are sheep and don't even consider other superior options as viable. Or they're anti-Apple zealots.

Maybe if you guys would stop coming off as superior assholes...

I hate that farking word.

Nickninja: Please tell me that you can tweak it to turn off all of that crap.

You can turn off aero, and Vista look like good ol' 2000. How many resources it'll still use is another thing.

Bum_Fu: DIRECTX10 changes all your fairy-minds that are against upgrading to Vista.

Call me when they release the second gen mid-range DX10 cards that are under $200. And running SLi doesn't require a 1200W psu. I think I'll be waiting a while though.

/please lord don't let my "choices" go down to Intel/nVidia or AMD/ATi
 
2006-11-12 02:09:19 PM
FTFA - "Am I the only person in the world who doesn't give a tuppence that Windows Vista is coming out?"

No, no you're not. Get over yourself and your mock outrage and find some actual reasons why you're not going to use it.
 
2006-11-12 02:28:29 PM
Nickninja: Please tell me that you can tweak it to turn off all of that crap.

yes, you can. obviously.
 
2006-11-12 02:29:50 PM
King Keepo: Get over yourself and your mock outrage and find some actual reasons why you're not going to use it.

that makes no sense, that's the wrong way around. you should find reasons to use vista. if you're talking about buying a new machine or a new OS, how can the default be finding reasons against it? do you constantly find yourself coming up with reasons not to buy another spa for your backyard?
 
2006-11-12 03:32:55 PM
First, remember 5 years ago? We all said the same stuff about XP. Everyone thought that Linux would take over. It hasn't.

Second, I have a linux computer and a Windows box. I'm using Linspire. Using Linspire is like drinking decaf coffee... "it's just as tasty as the real thing". I can't get my networked printer to work with Linux, loading applications is a pain in the ass, even with Linspire's CNR service. I don't care that another distro would be better, everyone's going to flame me for my impatience with Linux, but sorry, Linux Sux.

People use Windows because it is actually easy to use. No OS that works with such a diverse group of hardware is bulletproof. If Macs had such a diverse amount of hardware that they worked with, they'd be riddled with problems too.

I'll do what everyone else is going to do: wait a year or so then upgrade.
 
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