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(NewsMax)   Student leaders at a California college have banned the Pledge of Allegiance at their meetings, saying they see no reason to publicly swear loyalty to God and the U.S. government   (newsmax.com) divider line 642
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2006-11-10 11:18:25 AM  
 
2006-11-10 11:18:29 AM  
cankersnore

-- With liberty and justice for all who are not at Guantanamo Bay, renditioned by the CIA, or Muslim

I liked your revised pledge, up until this assinine little quip. The mindset that organized terrorism is a crime and not an act of war will do us in. Thanks for pointing out that all Muslims are persecuted, I'll be sure to remind that to the Muslim guy in my class who is a Corporal in the Marines.
 
2006-11-10 11:19:03 AM  
3boys: Nice pledge but by the looks of this thread, you may want to throw out the "indivisible" part as well.

Didn't you know? We fight the Civil War every two years. But since we don't use swords and guns, it's called an election and not a war.
 
2006-11-10 11:20:00 AM  
"You are correct, what's your point exactly?"

Just trying to draw out the facists...
 
2006-11-10 11:20:42 AM  
The Homer Tax: And what, exactly, led you to this conclusion? I am genuinely interested in the logical leap required for one to conclude that because people don't feel that the Allied soldiers were more loyal to their countries than the Axis soldiers, that they "don't feel pride and understand the opportunity and greatness that they have by being a part of the United States."

How exactly did you pull that one off, tiger?


It's called straw man:

Step 1: Make a ludicrous claim that you can't back up.
Step 2: Get your ass handed to you.
Step 3: "All I'm saying is that I feel love and pride for my country. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?"
 
2006-11-10 11:20:51 AM  
I thought the states had seperated state and church? Does that not automatically exclude 'under god' from any oath concerning the country?
 
2006-11-10 11:21:20 AM  
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2006-11-10 11:21:34 AM  
Programmer Cat [TotalFark]

I really did lose you didn't I, sorry.
You could take pride in the fact that you and your predecessors helped create and sustain the opportunity(s) for the other members of your tribe to achieve this greatness. You are helping achive greatness and you are a better person for it.
 
2006-11-10 11:21:59 AM  
3boys: They didn't 'ban' the (stem cell research)pledge, idiots. They removed it from their (budget)routine.

They banned all Stem Cell research that uses cells that aren't already part of existing "lines," whether it's privately funded or not. But I see what you were trying to do there, and it was a solid effort, FWIW.
 
2006-11-10 11:22:36 AM  
CheeseEatingBulldog: I thought the states had seperated state and church? Does that not automatically exclude 'under god' from any oath concerning the country?

Part of the 1st Amendment states (paraphrase follows) that "Congress shall make no law concerning an establishment of religion." Whether or not having "under God" in the Pledge constitutes an establishment of an official religion by the government is still being debated.
 
2006-11-10 11:23:32 AM  
I don't really give to shiats either way what a bunch of elected students decide to do at a school that's not mine in reference to a bunch of words. And it seems like they moved from enforcing it to banning it by taking it off the agenda. But really - they're words recited at an individual institution's meetings. I'm sure at some Christian colleges they elect to start every meeting with a group prayer, or sing a hymn. Good on them, whatever.

What I find hilarious is how many Republicans have taken/are going to take this isolated incident at one liberal college and see it as part of a vast Democrat conspiracy that will soon sweep the entire nation.
 
2006-11-10 11:23:40 AM  
Tonesskin

I think someone just needs a nap. You seem grumpy. And your comparison to pork money and judicial precedence is perfectly sound.
 
2006-11-10 11:24:24 AM  
Tyee: You could take pride in the fact that you and your predecessors helped create and sustain the opportunity(s) for the other members of your tribe to achieve this greatness.

Sorry, but all of the other members of my tribe are back on Planet Snugglycat. They sent me here to check you apes out and make sure you weren't planning to invade. You see, that broadcast of Hitler's speech scared the shiat out of everybody back home.
 
2006-11-10 11:24:49 AM  
FARK does not start every thread with the Pledge of Allegiance.

Therefore, FARK has banned the Pledge of Allegiance.

Somebody tell Newsmax.
 
2006-11-10 11:24:55 AM  
2006-11-10 11:02:50 AM LouDobbsAwaaaay

Didn't read the whole thread, did anybody but Newsmax report this?

methinks only a handful actually read the article, and probably even less the thread.

they tried to ban the constitution or something?
 
2006-11-10 11:25:27 AM  
The real question is: WHY IS THIS NEWS?

Who gives a fark. It's their decision, and they made it. Damn.
 
2006-11-10 11:25:40 AM  
Homer
How exactly did you pull that one off, tiger?

You would have to follow the progression of the thread. Thank you for your interest but I have other responsibilities to attend to for a while.

Godspeed
 
2006-11-10 11:26:00 AM  
DumbAsAPoster

Loyalty to a country and patriotism are sentiments held by underdeveloped minds.


*******

The fine men who signed the following document would like to have a word with you ...

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/underdeveloped minds? Hardly
 
2006-11-10 11:28:56 AM  
Wild Bluebonnet: The fine men who signed the following document would like to have a word with you ...

Those heroes are probably spinning in their graves with enough energy to power New York City for the next ten thousand years because of what the Republic they've founded has become. Leave them out of this; they've suffered enough.
 
2006-11-10 11:29:18 AM  
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2006-11-10 11:31:16 AM  
The Homer Tax: They banned all Stem Cell research that uses cells that aren't already part of existing "lines," whether it's privately funded or not. But I see what you were trying to do there, and it was a solid effort, FWIW.

You have a cite for that legislation?
 
2006-11-10 11:33:00 AM  
Programmer Cat: Part of the 1st Amendment states (paraphrase follows) that "Congress shall make no law concerning an establishment of religion." Whether or not having "under God" in the Pledge constitutes an establishment of an official religion by the government is still being debated.

You could argue that forcing someone to say "under god" as part of a loyalty oath prohibits the free exercise of the religion of those that beleive in no, many, or a different singular god.

Tyee: You would have to follow the progression of the thread. Thank you for your interest but I have other responsibilities to attend to for a while.

Godspeed


I've been here the whole time, this is a fancy way of saying "I got nothin." I guess I was just more loyal than you...
 
2006-11-10 11:33:17 AM  
The point of freedom is to allow stupid people to do what the fark they want. If they don't want ot pledge to the flag, fine... Just don't demand government money.

Freedom does strange things to people. People rebel against anything the thing that usually gives them the freedom in the first place. There are people out there who think that some of these 3rd world countries are much better than the US, but then again they have fewer freedoms, luxeries and Women can't even live their own lives as they please.

I am sorry. If you despise the country that you can't pledge to it once in a while, you have issues. I also think people don't understand what it means to be free. If You or I go to another country, we wave our money around and get what we want. It's called Tourism. But if the people from said country were to do it, the government would take the money and tell them, "get back to making shoes, Darnit."
 
2006-11-10 11:34:06 AM  
The Homer Tax:

They banned all Stem Cell research that uses cells that aren't already part of existing "lines," whether it's privately funded or not.

I believe you're wrong. Would you mind backing up that statement? Thanks.
 
2006-11-10 11:35:40 AM  
Programmer Cat

Wild Bluebonnet: The fine men who signed the following document would like to have a word with you ...

Those heroes are probably spinning in their graves with enough energy to power New York City for the next ten thousand years because of what the Republic they've founded has become. Leave them out of this; they've suffered enough.


******

They've probably made a few bonus spins on your posts alone.
 
2006-11-10 11:35:49 AM  
Wild Bluebonnet
The fine men who signed the following document would like to have a word with you ...


They also never demanded a Pledge of Allegiance either.
 
2006-11-10 11:36:05 AM  
Sloth_DC: You have a cite for that legislation?

No. Upon furhter research, it appears that I was mistaken in that assertion. He merely restricted federal funding to all but the 60 existing lines of stem cells. Sorry about that.
 
2006-11-10 11:36:32 AM  
Sorry if repeating, but the pledge isn't to the "government", it's to the idea of the Republic of the United States that the government and people should pledge to. But no it doesn't say pledge or die. You are just a commie if you don't.

And yes replace god with whatever your belief etc etc.
 
2006-11-10 11:38:34 AM  
kactus

I think someone just needs a nap. You seem grumpy. And your comparison to pork money and judicial precedence is perfectly sound.

Wait, I'm grumpy? I'm pretty sure YOU came into a thread and whined, "THIS ISN'T RELEVANT TO ALL OF YOU."

As if a turtle with five heads being born in Maine is relevant to most people on Fark.

It's Fark. Relevance is meaningless. And this issue actually is relevant because it is a farking stupid "legal" issue that will continue to be debated.

Both sides, in my opinion, are idiots. It's a non-issue. I can't think of the last time I've even heard someone say the pledge.
 
2006-11-10 11:38:58 AM  
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2006-11-10 11:39:51 AM  
And yes replace god with whatever your belief etc etc.

So I can say "one nation under vaginal secretions?" AWESOME!
 
2006-11-10 11:40:08 AM  
Freedom of speech? Sure.

But if you dislike the U.S. so much that you won't even pledge allegiance to it even as you live here and enjoy citizenship, then you don't need to be in this country at all. Get out.
 
2006-11-10 11:41:07 AM  
Where wolf
Sorry, but I'm from a military family.

That sounds like your apologizing. Don't! You have absolutely nothing to apologize for; being from a military family is something to be proud of.
 
2006-11-10 11:44:16 AM  
But how am I supposed to feel morally superior if I can't say the propaganda chant!?
 
2006-11-10 11:44:30 AM  
The Homer Tax: No. Upon furhter research, it appears that I was mistaken in that assertion. He merely restricted federal funding to all but the 60 existing lines of [embryonic] stem cells. Sorry about that.

No worries - but, for completeness' sake, I inserted the word "embryonic" in your response, because that's the only area with the ban. Now, do you know how many lines of embryonic research were federally funded *before* the restriction?
 
2006-11-10 11:44:36 AM  
But if you dislike the U.S. so much that you won't even pledge allegiance to it even as you live here and enjoy citizenship, then you don't need to be in this country at all. Get out.

Strange. So when someone is BORN somewhere, they should be expected to pledge allegiance to that place? Why?

I personally love my country (though not its leaders--on either side). But I understand why some people don't feel the need to pledge allegiance to the country.

Here is one:

There is no reason to pledge allegiance to anything. Repeating a bunch of words is meaningless.

And the other:

They aren't against the country, they just don't feel like saying the pledge before their meetings. Again, it is WORDS.
 
2006-11-10 11:45:01 AM  
elmo2525: The point of freedom is to allow stupid people to do what the fark they want. If they don't want ot pledge to the flag, fine... Just don't demand government money.

Ummm...it's my money in the first place. If you don't want me "demanding" it, stop taking it from me. Daily Compulsory Recitation of a loyalty oath should not be requisite to reciving money that was hijacked out of my bank account in the first place.

I am sorry. If you despise the country that you can't pledge to it once in a while, you have issues. I also think people don't understand what it means to be free.

If you are so insecure in your loyalty that you feel the need to recite words pledging said loyalty, you have bigger issues. I also love how you equate "Refusing to recite an asinine, borderline-facist, loyalty oath" to "despising your country." That was a good 'un.

I hope you realize that if someone had proposed the Recitation of a Loyalty oath to the Framers of the Constitution, they would have been laughed right out of the Continental Congress.

I agree on your assertion that people don't really know what it means to be free though; if they did, they wouldn't be so eager to forfiet all of those freedoms in order to be "safer."

So, at least we agree on something, it's a start.
 
2006-11-10 11:47:59 AM  
angusyoung: But if you dislike the U.S. so much that you won't even pledge allegiance to it even as you live here and enjoy citizenship, then you don't need to be in this country at all. Get out.

Love it or leave it, eh? Fukk you and the false dichotomy you rode in on.
 
2006-11-10 11:49:20 AM  
Who the hell says the Pledge of Allegiance after high school?

Who really and truly gives a shiat whether a student group says the pledge or not?

What a stupid fuucckking thing to get upset about.
 
2006-11-10 11:49:25 AM  
Spoiled liberal California college kids with thier progressive form of neo-censorship.

I guess these kids who are not "stuck" in Iraq know whats best for the common good.
 
2006-11-10 11:52:22 AM  
Sloth_DC: No worries - but, for completeness' sake, I inserted the word "embryonic" in your response, because that's the only area with the ban. Now, do you know how many lines of embryonic research were federally funded *before* the restriction?


No, because I honestly don't care. I don't think the Federal government should be funding really *any* research, and they most certainly should not be using my tax dollars to do it.

That said, my only real feelings on the whole Stem Cell fiasco is that if they are going to waste all of our money on research for shiat, they shouldn't arbitrarily restrict funding to one area of study just to pander to a group of people who feel that a clump of cells has a soul. I am ethically against the notion of "embryo farming" i.e. creating embryos for the sole purpose of destroying them for their sweet, sweet, stem cells. I also revel in the hypocrisy of people who are so virulently anti-embryonic stem cell research because it "destroys a life," Yet, are in full support of In-vitro Fertilization, which also destroys lives, or freezes them in perpetuity (which is essentially the same as destroying them).

That's where I stand on the whole Stem-Cell issue, not that you care :-P
 
2006-11-10 11:52:55 AM  
Their banner in 25 years:

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2006-11-10 11:53:14 AM  
Kewl, you go burn the flag, I'll go burn copies of the Koran that I bought, deal?

/waits for the asshat Nazi book-burning references
 
2006-11-10 11:54:11 AM  
Slavery, the treatment of Native Americans, civil rights..

Yay, american pride.
 
2006-11-10 11:54:28 AM  
Is there no inconsistency with the collective principles inherent in socialism and the manifest refusal to act collectively in allegiance "to the Republic?"
 
2006-11-10 11:54:31 AM  
How does the pledge establish a religion again? "Under god" does not define God in anyway. It does not even encourage people to act in a certian way. The only thing it does is describe the United States. You english language gurus please explain the usage of "under God" as used in the pledge. Does it require you to pledge to and God? It would establish a religion if it said pledged to the "Lutheran God" or to "Allah"...

How do our friends to the North feel about "God keep our Land..." in their national anthem? I thought that they were more progressive than Canada South (USA). I haven't heard any flack about that before.
 
2006-11-10 11:55:02 AM  
Kewl, you go burn the flag, I'll go burn copies of the Koran that I bought, deal?

Fine with me.
 
2006-11-10 11:56:07 AM  
Ah, yes. The real price of freedom is not "eternal vigilance". It is eternal annoyance, for everyone, at those who have the freedom to hold contrary beliefs.
 
2006-11-10 11:56:52 AM  
DisneyOnIce: Who the hell says the Pledge of Allegiance after high school?

I say it every day, right after I lace up my brown wingtips.
 
2006-11-10 11:57:27 AM  
Sorry but this is Newsmax, so story is partisan crap and I don't need to read it.

/don't read Daily Kos either
 
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