Actually, what I meant to say was, OMFG! Those California Libs are stealing our children's minds, and poisoning the wells, and eating sushi, and sleeping with our white wimmin!!!! (Black, Yellow, and Brown ones too, I suspect.)

Under God not originally included, the Republic either as I recall, and equality was meant to be included, the Pledge itself is defiant of what America means.

However, the wording of the "ban" is actually wording over the original rule essentially forcing someone to begin the meeting with it, and inevitably forcing others to do so. What you have here is a ban because if one person plans to, they will disturb the proceedings, and they are in agreement that they will not be forced to, if enough people want to, they can do it however, it does not stop you from doing so, it only applies to being an asshole and shouting in the middle of the meetings.

And basic law exists from equality, not natural order or morality. It is an understanding of boundaries everyone and everything comes to possess, whether painfully, vicariously, or through understanding. When morality becomes concerned inside of justice then you move from safeguarding rights to specifically infringing upon them without good reason, and the only good reason is against those who do not permit others to continue with their own.

Jwalking is immoral in the context that it attempts to knowingly do something with the intention to in some manner, physically, emotional, economically, etc., hinder someone else. If you are running across the street trying to dodge traffic, there is not a problem, but you should not so that others do nto get the idea, and I would rather you get a ticket, that is the legality of the situation is what could have happened if someone did not see you or you darted out. The morality would come into context if, despite the fact that there are crosswalks, you do not want to use them, and decide that traffic better simply halt for you with a disregard for the safety of cdrivers or others on the sidewalk.

But again, if you're just running across the road, no crosswalk that you can see, think you can make it, then you're jwalking, but you're far from immoral, you're in a rush, or believe you are, and don't think a car will come close to hitting you. But you're an asshole if you think a car won't hit you cause it should stop.

atlanto_ufo they did not stop any students from reciting a pledge, and one actually did in protest and nothing happened. This is removed from the meeting agenda and from a rule forcing them to say the pledge before a meeting, that is all.

I do not care about the pledge specifically, my concern is that everyone cries oppression when an overstep gets removed. This is not oppression, nor is it oppressive realistically to say people need to say the pledge. All this does is turn around the fact that you do not have to. Telling children they do not have to, or can say it without Under God, removing a monument in a courthouse ot the ten commandments, etc., those should not have happened, and as long as it is not a major issue, such as restriking every coin and printing new bills, then I do not have a concern. If one guy with a small lift can get the monument out, then do not complain, display it at your house, and don't have taxpayers buying them.

When I was in school and had to stand and say it every day [along with prayers; stupid Catholic school] the whole thing annoyed me. The spectacle, the "everyone stand and speak at the same time" all of it. It seemed wrong. I hated it -- dreaded it -- and I didn't even know why.

A lot of who I am today comes from things I can piece together now. Catholic school made me into someone who wants to be different -- because I had to dress the same as everyone else, in uniform, and I hated it. It made me never want to be told what to do. It made me turn my back entirely on religion, which I have determined is fake. School was, for me, largely, an attempt to make everyone the same. Believe the same, talk the same, dress the same... and I actively rejected it all.

I went to wrestling last week, and they played the national anthem before, requesting people to stand for it. I think I was the only one who didn't; they all had their hands over their hearts, staring at a piece of cloth with stars and stripes on it, as if it were somehow, something more. It's just a piece of cloth. It's just a flag. It's not even like I was trying to make a statement, I was just... not interested in that feeling I had when I was in school. Not interested in being part of a herd, doing something because I am "supposed" to.

Anyway, there may have been a point, but I think I forgot it. Viva cough syrup with coediene.