The pledge isn't that hard for a non-christian, I don't get it, just omit god, or substitute your own. One nation, under Thor, kinda has a nice ring to it.

Demmit Tatsuma stop making so much logical sense, it's not welcome here.

Newly empowered Democrats giving us a whiff of things to come.

Student LEADERS. Leaders = deciders.

The decision has been made.

People can still recite the pledge three miles away in a free speech zone.

Oh, wait, this is Newsmax. *yawn*

never mind...

Tatsuma broke the thread with logic. I'm going home.

The founding fathers thought it was a good idea to ban oaths.

"America is the one thing I'm passionate about and I can't let them take that away from me," 18-year-old political science major Christine Zoldos told Reuters.

College kids these days. our high school system is failing them.

\lincoln wept

There sure are alot of traitorous liberal commie douchebags in california. I was shocked when i didnt find the word "berekeley" in there, the spawning place for the worst kind of pinko filth.I wish they'd finally go ahead and cut california from the mainland so it can drift out to sea, so they can all go about sodomizing each other and doing drugs and burning the american flag and we dont have to hear about it.

They'll be singing the Mexican national anthem come January.

Since these people have obviously nothing better to do fine, but why dont they just not say the dam pledge because how many people actually bothered to go to these meetings before the ban anyway?

Tatsuma: It's just that I have a fierce dislike for dicks that want to legislate their own sets of belief and force them upon those who don't share them, whether religious or not.?

How about judges that do the same thing, like gay marriage for instance? I don't mind at all that they marry, but it's kinda the same thing, ain't it?

Tatsuma: Oh, and it's the same thing for prayer.

Don't enforce it, don't ban it. People want to spontaneously pray? Let them. People who want to pray will. People who don't, won't.

Just don't make it official and don't ban it either. Not everyone has the same beliefs and conforms to your ideas, wankers.

Dude. Seriously, this is Fark. Making sense is not tolerated.

Finnley Wren: Newly empowered Democrats giving us a whiff of things to come.

You're retarded.

I've found alot of athiests are basically bizzarro evangicals, being as ignorant and intolerant of all religion as they accuse Christians of being to others. Militant Athiesm, weird.

Hero tag!

/DRTFA
//suck it libs.

Seriously dude, take that crap elsewhere.

LET THIS MAN BE FREE, STOP PERSECUTING HIM WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS ZEALOUSY!

We'll be taking our Pell grants back now but thank you for playing.

Bah, "under god" was ADDED to the pledge so you McCarthies could differentiate from the commie pigs.

It was never part of the original pledge, and frankly anyone who defends it is an ignorant bastard.

/Safely canadian...

Snarfle: You're retarded.

And you got nosensayuma.

Tatsuma: But by making it all the way down that road and completely banning it shows you're exactly like the assholes that want to force people to say it

They didn't ban it. They said it shouldn't be part of the start of their meetings. Get a grip.

"Newly empowered Democrats giving us a whiff of things to come."

That doesn't make any sense.

Where wolf:

If I'm not mistaken, aren't people required to recite the pledge upon receiving citizenship? If they can do it, so can some uppity community college twits...

Apples and oranges, man.

HotWingConspiracy: That doesn't make any sense.

Botched joke.

Is the sort of endless self-indoctrination of the Pledge as popular in other countries as in the US?

"I pledge loyalty to you."
"You did that yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that."
"Well, I pledge loyalty to you.'

"One nation under Canada" FTW

Finnley Wren: And you got nosensayuma.

I was laughing at you when I typed it. See, I can have a sensayuma too. Seriously, though, I thought you were serious. I did just get off work though, so I'm pretty sure that has something to do with it.

/working overnights sucks
//someone tell me why I'm still doing it
///for two years?!@?

Way to give three misanthropes a spot light newsmax. They removed the pledge from their meeting (which is not binding to anything else on the campus). And rather than ignoring their hollow gesture for what it was... you use it as a straw man to float the right-wing propoganda meme: "The Liberals are going to ban patriotism".

Socialists give good head.

And this will of course appear on all your permanent records...


//Had to say the Pledge last night at my neighborhood association meeting.

Should I open my lab's group meetings with the Pledge of Allegiance (or, where appropriate, an Oath of Fealty to the Queen)? I think the point here is that the recital of the pledge has nothing to do with the business at hand. May as well recite it before mowing the lawn. Or before math class.

Tatsuma: The State shouldn't discriminate based on your morality.

Isn't morality the very basis for all law?

in peter griffin's voice

"the pledge of allegiance will no longer be used as it is replaced with the truffle shuffle----aww this is gonna be sweet"

Where wolf: Sorry, but I'm from a military family. I've had friends and family die defending those words.

Really? Did they die for the original version as written by Francis Bellamy or the Red Scare version written in the 50s?

DRTFA

but I only thought Right-wing conservative religious nuts were allowed to ban things in this nation...

Just for that, I'll say it while waving an American flag outside of their building because, well, I'm a jackhole.

The Pledge is a loyalty oath, which is something despots force upon their subjects. Compulsory loyalty oaths and free society are incompatible. It came from the reconstruction era after the Civil War, and was intended to root out unrepentant confederates who believed in a voluntary union of sovereign states, which could secede, not "one nation, indivisible."

Instead of going away by 1900 like it should have, this anti-confederate loyalty oath was still around in the 1950s to have "under God" added to it, making it an anti-communist loyalty oath. The cold war is part of the past. The pledge should be, too.

ShotgunLobotomy:

Boo. Worst... troll... EVAR!!

"One nation under Canada", above Mexico and next to japan?