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(Some Guy)   Jewish man upset he had to vote in a church. Voting for a bunch of lying jackals is OK, but having to do it in a church is just too much   (koat.com) divider line 275
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2006-11-09 11:53:55 PM
crazyhair

yeppers
 
2006-11-09 11:56:11 PM
carriegood:
and it's also something called "maris eyin" where you don't do something that gives the appearance of impropriety, even if it's innocent. so no one should see you go into a church, because they may think you're praying in there.

It's like, I don't want my girlfriend to see me putting a penis in my mouth, even if I have no intention of actually sucking it.

Right?
 
2006-11-09 11:56:35 PM
No Such Agency: But maybe I'm confusing the "retarded Fark libertarians" for actual libertarians, or something.

Uhhhh...

Isn't that redundant? Like pregnant women vs pregnant females?

One can be libertine without being a Libertarian. But I haven't met a lot of "moderate" Libertarians. Some are drinking more happy juice than others, but the starting line is pretty out there to begin with.

/not unlike real Socialists on the other end.
 
2006-11-09 11:56:59 PM
wow, ooopsie, calm down.
 
2006-11-09 11:58:58 PM
libertarians, democrats, republicans...

that's why my my registration card says "unaffiliated." they're all right about something, but none of them are right about everything.
 
2006-11-10 12:00:17 AM
No Such Agency

are you really "art" haggard?
 
2006-11-10 12:01:29 AM
Used to vote at an elementary school.

Now votes in a church.

I preferred the school.
 
2006-11-10 12:05:29 AM
*Pats Smitty on the head*

Nice job gettin the mass's all riled up like.
And pointing out that politicians on all sides are the same sort of slimy bottom-feeding corrupt liars.


...You get a cookie...
 
2006-11-10 12:08:04 AM

Um, so...

www.hinduwisdom.info

gaynorfolk-net.norfolk.on.ca
Yeah. About that, just saying is all.

 
2006-11-10 12:09:44 AM
I was under the assumption that Jews weren't allowed to enter pagan temples, and what with the whole Poly-theism that is the Christian Holy Trinity...

Well, that's just the way an old friend of mine explained it. That he wasn't allowed to enter a Christian Church because Christians were pagans, with their worshipping of the one that is three that is one.

Mosques, he maintained, were okay because Islam is monotheistic.

Personally I'd rather see municipal buildings used for polling stations, and not private houses of worship. Were my ward and precinct in a church I'd have covered up Jesus much the same way Ashcroft covers up Justice.
 
2006-11-10 12:09:53 AM
Mosey [TotallyFarked]

Revek: Our Founding Fathers Were NOT Christians (name of page I didn't make it I just linked it and its not the only one.)
Good for them?
What is your point?

The point is that congress shall make no law respecting religion but its okay for bush to give them money. Why should they get a tax write off? Finally tell me why its okay to hang a religious idol where you vote?

/Won't respond anymore I was just giving my opinion.
 
2006-11-10 12:11:55 AM
I worked in a church since my station was located there. Usually the local registrar selects the locations and people offer their homes or businesses to be polling stations because they get money to host it. Its only $125 though. I got no problem with it IF the polling station is held in a back room away from any religious icons and away from the Sanctuary. Most churches built in the 50's and 60's have a small to mid size room in the back or the side that is used for conferences and do not display religious symbols and can be used for anything. Also voting regulations state that there cannot be no politicking 100m away from the polling stations.

A representative from the Democratic party came to make sure that there wasn't a single religious icon in sight and then left once they were satisfied.

/There was an AA meeting going on at the same time as the election. Pretty funny. I had to do traffic control in the parking lot and had my job complicated
 
2006-11-10 12:13:19 AM
Thanks Lars, thread is now Godwined. Only on Fark can we go from an uptight Jewish guy's voting complaints to Hitler and the Pope!
 
2006-11-10 12:13:22 AM
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
2006-11-10 12:13:23 AM
Revek: The point is that congress shall make no law respecting religion but its okay for bush to give them money. Why should they get a tax write off? Finally tell me why its okay to hang a religious idol where you vote?

Funny you should mention that since it doesn't say that. It says Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

Entirely different. In fact, you might not have noticed but in the last 200 years our courts have defined it pretty well.

/the "it" above is this little Bill of Rights thing.
// please don't make up words for the Constitution
/// that is a lawyer's job
 
2006-11-10 12:17:25 AM
i47.photobucket.com
 
2006-11-10 12:17:52 AM
I am The Devil and I didn't mind voting in a church at all. Somehow, it just seemed fitting.
 
2006-11-10 12:21:21 AM
I ask again you seperation fanatics what would you have voters do in tiny towns where the only buildings large enough for adequate voting are chuches? Are they to be excluded from voting because they live in a small town or must they ALL vote absentee? STILL waiting for an answer!
 
2006-11-10 12:21:25 AM
Raging_Primate: Why can't we just use public schools, post offices, city halls, etc.? Name one good reason we need to poll in churches, bet you can't.


They are generally tall buildings which can be seen for some distance, and they ring bells daily? Easy to spot and find.
 
2006-11-10 12:21:45 AM
effhead:
No Such Agency
are you really "art" haggard?


Hey, I resent that remark! I specifically said "no sucking". Plus I'm an atheist.
 
2006-11-10 12:24:21 AM
Raging Primate: I have given several VERY good reasons why we sometimes NEED to have our polling places in churches. How about responding to any of the points I raised?
 
2006-11-10 12:28:37 AM
Oh just STFU. We are so hard up for polling places here in Arlington County, VA (60 precincts, 100,000+ voters), that mine was at the friggin' phone company!

I have voted in a town hall, a Protestant Church, an elementary school, a Catholic Church, a nursing home, a fire station, and now the conference room of the local phone company. You go where there's open space and available parking.

/Can you hear me now?
 
2006-11-10 12:33:31 AM
nmathew01
They are generally tall buildings which can be seen for some distance, and they ring bells daily? Easy to spot and find.


haha! hi suggest, they are buildings which can accommdate a fair number of people and are generally not in use during the week. duh.
 
2006-11-10 12:35:58 AM
i'm just waiting for the day my district votes in a titty joint.

/republicans will now say that i don't have to wait long since demoncrats are in power.
//i'm okay with that, as long as there's titties.
 
2006-11-10 12:36:35 AM
Hypersensitive hysterical whiny assholes. It's a building. Nothing else. It's convenient, encourages voting by locality and used by chance and/or need. Vote absentee or by mail or at City Hall where every precenct if applies/ can vote. What's next, offended by school 'cross'ings because the word "cross" or "X" is used. Common sense people.

If you think this is a C/S issue, you need to get a life. There are far bigger C/S problems than a building used by chance or/for expediency once a year.
 
2006-11-10 12:39:04 AM
Delawheredad,

It should be the responsibility of the government to make adequate public facilities available to said public for voting purposes.

Buildings rife with religious iconography are not adequate public facilities.

In my Commonwealth there is a law against there being any sort of political influence within 150 of the actual polls. I would consider a crucifix to be political influence.

If no other compromise can be reached than any religious structure should remove said iconography from the polling area.
 
2006-11-10 12:39:05 AM
you guys vote on a weekday ?? Is it a public holiday or do you still have to go to work ?
 
2006-11-10 12:39:22 AM
12:21:45 AM No Such Agency
Plus I'm an atheist.


makes sense that you'd say that. after being anti-gay, now you're anti-god.

i see right through your ruse.
 
2006-11-10 12:40:42 AM
Bukijin,

Nope, no holiday for voting. Hell, even if there was one I doubt the polls would get more than 45% eligible voter turnout.
 
2006-11-10 12:42:16 AM
bukijin

we vote at lunch, or wait in line after work. some employers are not douches and let you go during the day without making you spend vacation time.
 
2006-11-10 12:50:37 AM
a whiny jew complaining about stuff? NOW ive seen everything.
 
2006-11-10 12:53:50 AM
New Jewish performance show:
"So you think you can Kvetch?"

First contestant:
"And then I get the rest of the day off to vote, but where do I get to vote? In a church! Their country club G*d forbid they should let me in but their church to vote is okay, now? And to top this off my daughter in law does supper for us- new gas barbeque with all the bells and whistles on, you'd think she might learn how to cook maybe? The steak tough? Concrete should be tough like this steak. Safety glass should be tough like this steak. I say to her, that's enough, my teeth are coming out. She says maybe I should switch denture cream. So who's got dentures, I say?
Then she says I should stop talking nasty about her cooking and my good-for-nothing son is nodding his head like he's agreeing with every word and under the table his German Shepherd he's trying to feed his steak to, if these dogs have half the intelligence they're supposed to it wouldn't be eating it..."
Judges: "Enough Already! You win the vacation package"
"Call this a vacation package? Hitler in hell a vacation package shouldn't have like this..."
 
2006-11-10 12:53:51 AM
The real question is why is a CHURCH a place to VOTE?

What about the SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE?

/but I guess since GWB wiped his ass with the constitution, anything goes now
 
2006-11-10 01:02:43 AM
plastroncafe : I agree with you. However, sometimes it may not be possible to remove all the iconography or hide it completely. I voted in a church rec hall. If you didn't know the building was part of a church then there would have been no way for you figure that out from anything inside the hall. However if the church has no rec hall what can a church do to hide a giant cross? In many small towns there are simply NO adequate public buildings for the purpose. In the town I'm referencing they have a miniscule community budget. The city hall has only about three rooms and has almost no parking. The fire hall is also very small and there's no place to put the firetrucks once you empty out the building. This town can't wait for the church to be finished because they will finally have a building that is large enough for hassle free voting.

Plenty of parking? Check
Plenty of restrooms for the poll workers and voters? check
More than one handicapped spot? Check.
Large room sutable for all the voting machines? check
Centrally located for most residents of the town? check

Europeans and Latin Americans have no problems with using churches as polling places. Why should this even be an issue for Americans?

There are plenty of excellent reasons for communities to use churches as polling places. (see the list) Having a voting booth in a church is in no way a state establishment of religion. If that were the case then by that logic we would also have to ban voting in the YMCA because the C stands for "Christian."

What would you have folks do in situations like that? Voting takes place ONE day a year. It is hardly a hardship to enter a building just because there's a cross on the wall. If that offends you so much then the absentee ballot is for you. The guy in this article is a putz whose schlong is way out of joint.
 
2006-11-10 01:10:43 AM
Delawheredad Get a life, no really.

You're probably trolling, but if not you are bringing some really silly arguments. Either way you need to get a life.
 
2006-11-10 01:19:57 AM
One thing more The US has used churches, meeting houses, and masonic temples as voting places since the birth of the Republic. It really depended on the town. In some places it was the Quaker Meeting Hall, In New England it was the Congregational Church, elsewhere it was in a Masonic Temple or lodge. Inns and taverns were also used from the beginning of the Republic. If our founding fathers had NO problem with folks voting in a church who are we to argue? The ONLY place we prohibit voting in that our founding fathers used was the place our founding fathers enjoyed the most, the local tavern! Delaware for example ratified the Constitution in a tavern. (But keep in mind that there were only like a dozen guys at that meeting.)Ever since day one Americans have voted in whatever building was most convienient to the public whether it be a tavern, a church, or a temple. Large public buildings like Independence Hall were the exceptions outside of large cities.
 
2006-11-10 01:23:09 AM
No good deed ever goes unpunished.

All you "separation of church and state" folks aren't even considering the simple idea that there may not even be another adequate place to support a lot of foot and vehicle traffic. Not on a Tuesday.

I'm not a Christian. If there aren't better alternatives, then this is the answer. If it offends someone so greatly then (as the article states) he can vote absentee.

But it sure makes for good partisan food for the fire.
 
2006-11-10 01:24:54 AM
Believing that casting your vote in a church will influence your choice is about as intelligent as believing that being gay is a contagious disease.
 
2006-11-10 01:26:51 AM
Lars, I'm not trolling. Why are my arguments silly? I have provided a list of very good reasons why some towns may NEED to use churches as polling places. You have not refuted a single one of my arguments. Ad hominen attacks are not refutation.

Americans have been voting in houses of worship since the first days of the Republic. But I guess the founding fathers had no CLUE as to what they were doing.
 
2006-11-10 01:45:33 AM
And to trow a money wrench to all of you Separation folks. Did you know that the U.S. Capitol was used for chuch services from BEFORE the days Congress moved in until after the Civil War? Apparently the founding fathers had no problems with the heart of a secular democracy being used as a place of religious worship. The founding fathers were very laid back on the issue of "separation". We could learn a thing or two from them.
 
2006-11-10 02:33:35 AM
Delawheredad:

You'd have no problem voting in a muslim house of worship? I doubt that. Many would and it would be inappropriate.

Unlike most of you fools however, I see an alternative that is in color rather than black or white. If the church is the only place for your dumb redneck town to vote because it is the only place with enough parking (which is odd that parking and lines would be an issue in some little bumfark town) then there is enough room to set up in the parking lot.

So there you go, setup an outdoor establishment in the parking lot. If you arne't offended by voting in a religious institution than that's just great, really guys, but the thing is that the world is bigger than you and some people do take offense. I don't care when people say the N***** word, but it'd be pretty stupid for me to say "it's just a word, get over it n*****!"
 
2006-11-10 03:08:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the church tampers with the votes
 
2006-11-10 03:13:04 AM
That's actually upsetting.

I wouldn't have voted, because I can't enter churches. Jewish law forbids me to do so.
 
2006-11-10 03:17:22 AM
Oh, and for the record, I could, however, vote in a Mosque.
 
2006-11-10 03:28:27 AM
Tatsuma

I wouldn't have voted, because I can't enter churches.

Is it because the goodly power of Jesus burns your skin?
 
2006-11-10 03:30:59 AM
Southpaw018: Shut up. You're ruining it for the rest of us.

If you are ignorant of your own religion, that's not his fault, but yours.

culturemock: Jesus dude! If you are so insecure in your faith that going into the house of worship of another religion t

It's not being insecure. "Thou shall have no other God beside me". Heard that one? For a Jew, xtianity is considered idol worship. That's like asking a muslim to vote with a pen made out of pig skin

BravadoGT: I'm a Jew who voted in a church on Tuesday. It never occurred to me that I should be offended, but now, the more I think about it...Hmmm....

Again, if you are ignorant of your own religion and it's laws, that's not the man's fault, but yours entirely

Mosey: You sure are gonna feel funny when they staple that foreskin back on.

Exactly. Hellenization of Jews.

nyil: hooknslice_okc, you miss the issue. The man in question, along with a lot of people who object to having to vote in a Christian church, are Jewish. It isn't a matter of lack of belief. It's a matter of doing something improper, or being seen doing something that looks improper, and . It isn't that a church should be "just a building," it's that it is a "sacred place for a different religion."

It's not even "improper", that's downright against Jewish Law.

Donald_McRonald: But let's not forget that a) there are loopholes for everything and b) this isn't sightseeing - it's voting. Given the distinction, I can't imagine too many poskim would deem it assur (other than the total nuts who say that everything is assur). This guy's just being a dick.

Again, you're completely, completely wrong! It is 100% assur under ANY circumstances but ONE: if you are about to die and it's the only place to be saved

AND, if you can be saved by the people inside the church but you have to convert, you need to let yourself die instead

plastroncafe: I was under the assumption that Jews weren't allowed to enter pagan temples, and what with the whole Poly-theism that is the Christian Holy Trinity...

Your friend was right about the whole thing
 
2006-11-10 03:39:29 AM
One Love,

Why would I mind voting in a mosque? I don't care where my polling place so long as its close and easily accessable. I've voted in schools, community centers, and churches. Of all the places I voted I was in and out of the church with the least hassle but your experience may vary.

Set up an outdoor establishmnet? what if its raining? That's thinking in color. I love how you call the town redneck and bumfark. (Judgemental much?) Like every place close to the Delaware border, lots of subdivisions are going in. Nearly all of those subdivisions are not in the town proper. However, since its the only incorporated municipality in the immediate area its the de facto location where voting takes place. When it was surrounded by farmland the little towns facilities were up to the task but now the town is asked to shoulder a large burden.

Because there has been so much development that is NOT adding anything to the town's tax base there is NO money to expand the city hall or fire department hence the overburdened, inadequate facilities. For someone who claims to "think in color" you sure seem to look at this as if its a black and white situation.

There are plenty of towns where the largest most accessable structure is a church. Since Americans have been voting in houses of worship since even BEFORE the Republic was founded (The Mayflower Compact was passed in a church) people should have NO problem going to a house of worship of whatever denomination to cast their votes. If that was good enough for the founding fathers why is NOT good enough for us?

So One Love were the founding fathers WRONG for allowing voting in Quaker Meeting Houses, Masonic Temples, and Churches? You certainly seem to think so.

Nobody but nobody is promised the right to not be offended. If entering a church is such an abomination to you you can get an absentee ballot. And guess what if you vote absentee your vote STILL counts!
 
2006-11-10 03:39:38 AM
no, you guys don't understand, it burns their skin to walk on consecrated ground.

/window seat
 
2006-11-10 03:59:30 AM
Tatsuma:

Or maybe it's just the possibility he's just another attention whore. It's a building picked by chance/need/expediency. Your fantasy world is as bad as the Christian fundies. Temples are used for voting places as well. Mosques in Michigan are used for voting places. I see no need for every voting place in America to be "Jewish approved", nor anybody's approved place when easy alternative means are readily accessible like mail or absentee voting if your are so offended. Ignore the railroad "cross"ings as well.

Get over yourself. Hate to tell you this it's just a building. This guy is being ridiculous, hysterical and hypersensitive. Complain about something serious.
 
2006-11-10 04:22:48 AM
No, Unreconfederate, this has nothing to do with being an attention whore.

I would never vote in a church and not a single orthodox Jew would, either.
 
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