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(Some Guy)   60-year-old hunter charged with criminal negligence causing death and shooting hikers out of season   (ctv.ca ) divider line
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2006-11-08 03:27:28 PM  
So, I take it Cheney's hunting trip went badly again?
/DRTFA
 
2006-11-08 03:44:03 PM  
3 game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow not available for comment.
 
2006-11-08 03:44:42 PM  
Let the Tom Lehrer quotefest begin!

/Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.
 
2006-11-08 03:45:58 PM  
benmecha: That's what I get for spending 30 seconds checking IRC.
 
2006-11-08 03:46:00 PM  
Basic safety rule #4: Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

There is no excuse for "shooting at movement" or "shooting at noise", or any of that garbage. You have to aim for the vitals to make sure you have a quick and clean kill. How the hell can you do that if you can't even SEE the damn animal?
 
2006-11-08 03:46:04 PM  
Baggins beat me to it.
 
2006-11-08 03:50:58 PM  
You mean that's not why they call it tourist season? *scratches head*
 
2006-11-08 03:55:31 PM  
I've been shot at while hiking too. It was even in a Wilderness Area while I had a red backpack on. Wish I had seen the guy. I would've....(brought a leatherman to a gunfight?) I mean, something tough and brave on the internets....
 
2006-11-08 03:55:37 PM  
It's just disgusting the way hunters shoot these majestic creatures just for their pelts. They take the valuable Gore-Tex and Timberlands, but leave the carcass for the wolves.

My family uses every part of the hiker, not just its pelt and trophy ears.
 
2006-11-08 03:55:47 PM  
And..... baggins takes what i was going to say and says it in a much better fashion, and being first in line too nonetheless.

/bravo
 
2006-11-08 03:55:49 PM  
Gotta love those hunters. People who consireded killing living things as a fun hobbie should be hunted themselves.
 
2006-11-08 03:56:27 PM  
Seems like you should have some sort of license to hunt. One that requires you to not be an idiot to obtain.
 
2006-11-08 03:56:45 PM  
Her husband Walter became concerned when she didn't return home and took his two-year-old grandson along for a ride to find her.

He ended up locating his wife in the back of an ambulance by the side of the road.



That is so damn sad. I hope the child isn't emotionally scarred for life.
 
2006-11-08 03:57:59 PM  
Give dumb people guns, let them go out in the woods to shoot stuff, and this is bound to happen.

I think we should outlaw hiking.
 
2006-11-08 03:58:04 PM  
Professor Science: Let the Tom Lehrer quotefest begin!

/Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.


Sing along with me ---

I always will remember,
'Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a morning bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

I was in no mood to trifle,
I took down my trusty rifle
And went out to stalk my prey.
What a haul I made that day!
I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

The law was very firm, it
Took away my permit,
The worst punishment I ever endured.
It turned out there was a reason,
Cows were out of season,
And one of the hunters wasn't insured.

People ask me how I do it,
And I say "There's nothin' to it,
You just stand there lookin' cute,
And when something moves, you shoot!"
And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred Guernsey cow.
 
2006-11-08 04:00:02 PM  
At least Francis Macomber's short life was a happy one.
 
2006-11-08 04:00:54 PM  
Blues_X

He probably is. I was messed up for a while when I found my cat shot dead with a pellet gun. And Grandmother > cat.
 
2006-11-08 04:02:23 PM  
www.chronwatch.com

What kind of ammo are you using?
'cause I'm finding the buckshot really lacks the takedown power I need.
 
2006-11-08 04:03:34 PM  
And Grandmother > cat.

Depends on the grandmother.
 
2006-11-08 04:04:20 PM  
This sort of story is the reason it pisses me off to find spent cartidges on my island in Georgian Bay.

1) It's a provincial park, and
2) The island is private property within the park.

So why are you hunting on it, jackass?
 
2006-11-08 04:05:32 PM  
This is sad. You really should stay out of the woods during hunting season, but the primary responsibility lies with the hunter to only shoot at what he knows is game. Shooting at a sound or a movement in the brush is just stupid.

Last year I was still hunting on a ridge in a wildlife management area. There are horse trails in the area but most of the riders know to stay out when hunters are in there. I heard voices coming down one of the trails in the afternoon. I was annoyed that someone was riding during hunting season and hoped that they would move through quickly. As they approached I could tell that they were drunk. These two cowboys stopped about 20 yards from me and pulled out a bottle of whiskey. I was wearing realtree camo from head to toe and resting behind a tree. They each took a drink from the bottle and one of them said, "I wish we had some chaser." The first drunk cowboy continued down the trail. The second one took another drink then leaned over in his saddle and puked is guts out. Then he got down off his horse and puked some more. I stepped out from behind the tree, held my rifle in both hands and just looked at him. He yelled out, "I'm never drinking straight whiskey again!" Then he noticed me. I yelled back, "That's an outstanding idea!" He got back on his horse and took off. I thought about shooting his horse, leaving him to spend a miserable night in the woods, but I really had nothing against his horse. The whole ridge now smelled like whiskey and vomit. No deer was going to come with a mile of the place. I had to just go home.
 
2006-11-08 04:08:27 PM  
Jon Snow

Well, my grandmother taught me to make martinis.

/It's a valuable skill for a ten-year old.
 
2006-11-08 04:09:09 PM  
You really should stay out of the woods during hunting season ... I was annoyed that someone was riding during hunting season

Is it all right if we breathe your air during hunting season?
 
2006-11-08 04:09:51 PM  
she was wary of shots aimed at deer and wild turkeys.

But she didn't realize the season had begun on Monday, and despite wearing a red turtleneck sweater, was shot dead that afternoon


Was she short, with a long neck? Don't turkey's have some red shiat right under their neck?


/just sayin'
 
2006-11-08 04:10:27 PM  
I stopped wearing a white helmet while mountain biking after a hunter friend pointed out that my head could look like the back of a white-tailed deer bobbing along, particularly to a half-drunk hunder, as I went down the trail.
 
2006-11-08 04:12:23 PM  
That's a really sad story. I would never hunt myself, unless I had to kill my own food for some reason. But if I did, I'm pretty sure that I could tell the difference between a person in a red sweater and a farking DEER.
 
2006-11-08 04:14:10 PM  
Shouldn't it be negligent homicide? Criminal negligence my ass...
 
2006-11-08 04:15:41 PM  
Hunter safety courses have done a lot to eliminate this type of stupidity. 60 years old means that he was never forced to go through one. I'm 44 and the courses weren't mandated when I was beginning to hunt. I took one anyway because they seemed like a good idea. 30 years later, I know and live by the basic safety rules.
1. Treat every gun as if it is loaded.
2. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
3. Never touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
4. Know your target and what is beyond.
5. Never point a gun at anything that you don't intend to destroy.

OK, I added some, but you get the idea. This idiot isn't a hunter. He's an asshat with a gun. There is a HUGE difference.
 
2006-11-08 04:17:43 PM  
2006-11-08 03:55:31 PM FLMountainMan
I've been shot at while hiking too. It was even in a Wilderness Area while I had a red backpack on. Wish I had seen the guy. I would've....(brought a leatherman to a gunfight?) I mean, something tough and brave on the internets....


This woman's red sweater and your red backpack are no substitute for blaze orange. If you must go in the woods during hunting season, wear a blaze orange hat at least (less than $5 at Walmart). Adding a matching vest would be even safer. I wear that much walking into and out of the woods when hunting. I only take them off when I am sitting still in a stand or blind. You certainly have every right to use public land whenever you want and expect not to be shot at. However the reality is you must take some responsibility for your own safety.
 
2006-11-08 04:18:06 PM  
I wouldnt be walking in any forest at this time of year period.
 
2006-11-08 04:18:58 PM  
i'm sure there are responsible hunters out there, but what's the ratio of dumbasses to reasonable hunters, like 500:1? I'll never understand how people enjoy killing animals, but I can respect their right to do so, but when i see guys drinking and hunting from their farking pick-em-up trucks, or hear about shiat like this story, really makes me rethink my stance. maybe people, in general, can't be trusted to hunt safely and responsibly.

Dear hunters: if you don't want people to start stomping on your rights, get the dumbasses to stop hunting or come up with a better way to regulate the activity. how about everybody has to bow hunt? would that help?
 
2006-11-08 04:21:45 PM  
Was she short, with a long neck? Don't turkey's have some red shiat right under their neck?

Are you suggesting that this:


static.flickr.com
and this:

static.flickr.com
look similar enough to warrant such a mistake?

/just sayin
 
2006-11-08 04:22:48 PM  
Those hikers shouldn't have flagged themselves if there were level 60 hunters around.
 
2006-11-08 04:25:29 PM  
2006-11-08 04:09:09 PM Merry Sunshine
Is it all right if we breathe your air during hunting season?


It's not my air. Help yourself, but if you want some air from the middle of the woods during hunting season, please take some basic precautions to keep yourself safe.
 
2006-11-08 04:30:10 PM  
Adm_Crunch and NeoAnderthal have it right! I was always taught to pay attention to where the bullet could travel and to be certain of your target. Hunter Safety courses heavily emphasize this as part of the course. Unfortunately, there are complete and total jerks who go out and through their wrecklessness give all the other hunters a bad name! These jerks are also the same ones who probably seriously wound even their correctly intended targets because they again do not have a clear sight on the prey and then find that they cannot locate the animal to finish their hunt. That is just cruel, senseless, and stupidly wasteful!
\Not a real hunter, just spent lots of time and money paying for a license, wandering around in the desert with a gun, and not shooting because I could never find an appropriate animal for the license or never had a clear shot.
 
2006-11-08 04:32:12 PM  
NoGods

This is sad. You really should stay out of the woods during hunting season...

I agree, it is sad that people shouldn't be able to go out for a walk in the woods for fear of being shot to death by a hunter.

If animal populations need to be culled (and I'm not arguing that they don't) it should be done by some means other than turning a bunch of people loose with guns. Last time I checked, getting a hunting license was less of a challenge than getting a drivers license.

I've heard all the pro-hunting arguements, about being close to the land, using all the animal, obtaining food, enjoying nature, and it really all comes down to the fact that a person hiking in the woods enjoys nature just as much as a person hunting in the woods. But the person hunting in the woods ultimately gets a kick out of pulling a trigger (or releasing the bowstring) and killing an animal.
 
2006-11-08 04:34:01 PM  
I was guiding a 40 person bus tour into an old ghost town nestled in a forest. we got shot at by two drunk hunters. I was wearing blaze orange.. there was 43 of us in total. Hunting season scares me for this reason. But i still hunt, just in low hunter density areas. I called the cops on the hunters. they got pwned.
 
2006-11-08 04:34:30 PM  
Merry Sunshine
Is it all right if we breathe your air during hunting season?

Sure, but is it ok for hunters to use the public land for 2 months out of the year while you use it the other 10 months? It is for your own safety that you keep away from areas where hunters will be during the season.

This guy should be charged with murder and nothing less but since we all know there are a few bad apples it could save your life to just avoid areas being hunted for a couple months out of the year. Bicyclist's biatch about sharing the road but you don't see them on the interstate pushing their way through traffic. Just avoid areas you know to be full of hunters. I personally NEVER hunt public land due to the dumbass factor. It is probably safe out in the middle of podunk but when you're near a city like me every halfass, dipshiat, wannabe hunter will be on the public land. Most serious hunters have private land leased specifically for hunting.
 
2006-11-08 04:40:47 PM  
True sportsmen kill their hikers with bows.
 
2006-11-08 04:42:21 PM  
lostcat: the person hunting in the woods ultimately gets a kick out of pulling a trigger (or releasing the bowstring) and killing an animal.

It's a tradition, and a skill that nobody ever really masters. Technically, I could bait deer where I'm at, but I won't. There's far more sport in it than what you lay out. I don't make any moral comparisons about where my meat comes from. Either I killed it, or the guy at the slaughterhouse did.
 
2006-11-08 04:42:42 PM  
Was he Hmong?
 
2006-11-08 04:47:36 PM  
...and it really all comes down to the fact that a person hiking in the woods enjoys nature just as much as a person hunting in the woods. But the person hunting in the woods ultimately gets a kick out of pulling a trigger (or releasing the bowstring) and killing an animal.

I agree with you there. In this day and age the reasons people have for going hunting are not for survival, which would be the only circumstance in which I myself would choose to hunt. I don't care if people do want to hunt, but I have to lie to myself and think that every hunter is a good hunter and cleanly kills the animals they shoot, and use every part of that animal once it's dead.

The thing that really gets to me (probably because of my chosen dilusional stance on hunters) is the stories like this one, where the person who got shot was wearing clothing that would announce to most anyone that they are in fact a person and not an animal. I would be less angered by a story that has the victim dressed in muted colors or in camo, because you can always argue that the hunter had every reason to believe that they were firing upon the intended prey. But even that is still not acceptable. Many have already posted guidlines or some such rules about hunting that include knowing exactly what it is you're shooting at. If you see movement, but really can't see the thing that's moving, you can never be sure it's not some dolt walking around in the woods during hunting season.

/i'm glad it's almost time to go home...
 
2006-11-08 04:48:19 PM  
Hunting is a sign of mental illness. If you need to kill something that can neither fight back nor defend itself properly just to get your jollies, there's something wrong with you.
 
2006-11-08 04:54:30 PM  
ftp1020: Hunting is a sign of mental illness. If you need to kill something that can neither fight back nor defend itself properly just to get your jollies, there's something wrong with you.

They defend themselves against us just like they do against any host of natural predators. They're pretty damned good at not getting shot. It's not like you go walking along and shooting stuff indiscriminately. Also, unless you're prepared to make an argument against eating meat in general, you're just playing semantics games. If you eat meat but don't enjoy killing stuff, fine, but you don't get to complain about the manner of it's death.
 
2006-11-08 04:58:22 PM  
Might I add: I don't enjoy killing animals. I enjoy hunting, and eating wild game. To enjoy killing animals you'd have to be that sadistic kid that tortures and kills house pets and grows up to be a serial killer.
 
2006-11-08 04:59:22 PM  
First, was he sure she was dead?
 
2006-11-08 05:01:23 PM  
If you eat meat but don't enjoy killing stuff, fine, but you don't get to complain about the manner of it's death.

Careful there...you could be starting a whole flamewar with that. Personally, I think eating meat is great! I think if you want to go out and kill your own food that's great too! But I would have a problem if you said you kill your own food, but beat it senseless with a rock, dragged it back to your home and slaughtered it piece by piece until it died of shock instead of just shooting it. It matters to alot of people how their food died. Don't ever assume otherwise.

/out
 
2006-11-08 05:01:47 PM  
2006-11-08 04:48:19 PM ftp1020
Hunting is a sign of mental illness. If you need to kill something that can neither fight back nor defend itself properly just to get your jollies, there's something wrong with you.


I'm going to have to give you a 3 out a possible 10 for this troll. It's just not that good.

I enjoy hunting. It's a good excuse to spend the day with nature. I obey all hunting laws and the fees I pay help fund wildlife management efforts. The animals I hunt use stealth, cunning and keen senses as a defense against predators. I have to go into their environment and outsmart them just to have an opportunity to get them. I don't normally skip meals. I am going to eat something, whether I killed it or someone else did. The deer I hunt have a much better chance at survival than the cow, pig or chicken you ate for lunch.
 
2006-11-08 05:01:55 PM  
Don't change the subject. I'm just talking about people who get thrills by killing things. If you're so gung-ho about it, next time you go bear hunting, leave the gun at home. Or take up pulling the wings off flies as a new hobby.

And very few creatures in nature have the ability to "defend" themselves from death delivered from the safety of 100+ yards away.
 
2006-11-08 05:04:16 PM  
^^^^^^^
dude shooting ducks or turkeys they have a million times better instincts than humans

its very hard for us to outsmart them to get them inside 30 -40 yards for a shot, they are smart man,
 
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