I_C_Weener

He's booked. So, he hired this weird guy who dresses up in red and likes elves, to help him out on the busiest day, his birthday. I mean, can you blame Jesus if he wants to take a day off on his birthday? So, he takes his day off, but he hires a stand-in. So, Jesus, with his checkbook, is responsible for those presents under your tree.

What are elves? Are they related to Oompa-Loompas?Are they heavenly beings like seraphs or are they earthy spirits that are in cahoots with the devil? They must be getting paid wages higher than the average China-man, because Santa has outsourced most of their manufacturing work to China.

Is that why Jeebus wants you to pay that preacherman on TV? So he can pay for Christmas operations?

Gsm136: Say what you want about the way we do things at least we aren't hijacked by the christian right.

touche, clever brit.

I_C_Weener
...you want to hunt down and persecute and ridicule American Christians?

That sounds like fun!
However, we'll need some way to identify them easily before we shoot...
Can we require them to wear yellow crosses on their clothing?

Gsm136
Who isn't.
Say what you want about the way we do things at least we aren't hijacked by the christian right.

Odd situation where the country that's officially Christian never has the subject brought up in politics, whereas the one that's got not official state religion has religious matters as serious election issues.

I have no issue with putting a menorah or a dreidel (sp) on a stamp. Just as I have no issue with putting Jesus or the Virgin on a stamp. The problem that I have is people who want to devalue the two holidays. People don't so much look down on hanakua nor make fun of it because the issues that the Jews faced during WWII, but it always seems to be open season on Christians. This is something that is very important to many (myself included) and I have a total issue with someone that says that I can't have a card that says Merry Christmas nor can I say that my son has a Christmas Break because it may offend non Christians. I DON'T CARE! I think that we have become so PC that I just don't care. I will have respect for your faith because that is yours. Now have some respect for mine.

junkevil, Jesus is no less fictional than the roman empire that crucified him. His life has been documented from many different sources.....Now Santa... that fat little ole man is fictional.

Tighten up!

hoo-wee-baby: or the Virgin on a stamp.

But where are you gonna find a virgin in England?

Manfred Richthofen: Is that why Jeebus wants you to pay that preacherman on TV? So he can pay for Christmas operations?

that and his super sweet 16 party, for sure!

Even if you're not Christian, I think we can all agree that the "Christmas spirit" of getting together with family, being happy and nice to everyone, getting and giving presents, and being gluttonous on ham and turkey is a damn fine thing.

Darth Shatner: Jesus is no less fictional than the roman empire that crucified him. His life has been documented from many different sources.....Now Santa... that fat little ole man is fictional.

i wouldn't debate that some little heretic made a lot of noise some 2000 years ago and he had to be put down, like old yeller. sure. i won't argue that. its the mysticism i have problems with.

Gortex: Even if you're not Christian, I think we can all agree that the "Christmas spirit" of getting together with family, being happy and nice to everyone, getting and giving presents, and being gluttonous on ham and turkey is a damn fine thing.

smarmy bastards wouldn't agree on this one. they're far too smarmy!

I_C_Weener: Fish outlines...like those Goldfish crackers.

the divine cheese crackers! suck it cheez-it!

czarangelus, I lol'd on that one. And yes, I do know that Christmas was actually a pagan holiday. Billy Ligue, you are so going to hell, but I laughed.
/I can still be saved
//maybe Jesus can come be the QB for my beloved Cheifs. He saves, you know...

Jesus saves, but he apparently can't help me spell. Chiefs.
/only on second cup of coffee
//Argh!

cue that picture of Bill O'Reilly crying.

Come on, we all know the true meaning of Christmas. Patriotically boosting our economy by buying our kids tons of shiat!

I think it's time we had Intelligent Design stamps. They'd sum up the Royal Mail perfectly. We know the stamp goes on the envelope and we know the envelope goes in the post, but we can't be sure what happens after that. Some say there's evidence of a higher power at work, presenting as evidence some envelopes which have been opened to check for money before delivery. But no-one can know for sure...

Why not eliminate some of those "quaint" rules?

Why? They're not doing any harm and they are part of the history that gives Britain its national character. Religions are not discriminated against, in fact it is illegal to do so. Having an official state religion has as much impact on day-to-day life as having an official state flower(Rose, thistle,daffodil).

As requested...

costas
Now that's deserving of an arf!

Christmas obviously has pagan "roots" but I don't think the Church has ever denied that (in fact, it was the Church that recorded and preserved the derivation of the Christmas Tree from the Germannic pagan customs) and that misses the point entirely. The Baptists have vacation bible camps from June through August, but nobody says that their brand of Christianity somehow has "roots" in the school calendar. You can use any excuse you want to have a religious observance or celebration. So get off our collective nuts.

Are farking with me kid?

damageddude: You don't see Jews holding Moses out like that and if your tried that with Mohammed there'd be hell to pay.

christians believe in more material things.

hoo-wee-baby
I have a total issue with someone that says that I can't have a card that says Merry Christmas nor can I say that my son has a Christmas Break because it may offend non Christians.

who told you you could not have Christmas cards? and what difference does it make if it's called Christmas Break or Winter Break? if the name of your kids vacation is an important issue to you, then you need to get out more.

this country is mostly Christian, and mostly run by Christians. How on earth can you say you're being persecuted?

Darth Shatner
junkevil, Jesus is no less fictional than the roman empire that crucified him. His life has been documented from many different sources.....Now Santa... that fat little ole man is fictional.

He's based on Bishop Nicholas of Myra, a 4th-century Catholic saint.

/the more you know

This'll be passed over but hopefully at least someone will read it and take it to heart. The rest can go back to the flamewar brewing:

Christmas is the time of year where it doesn't matter what religion you are, it's the time of goodwill towards man, the realization that yeah, there's other people in the world other than ourselves and their lives are as short, brutal and miserable as our own, so we do what we'd like them to do for us, be nice.

We give presents, we wish them well, sometimes we even hold doors open for them and make amends with friends and family for transgressions over the year. For one brief, shining moment, it's ok to be a human being and not be ashamed or angry with your species, because everyone around you is filled with that goodwill, that same little scrap of charity that we all share.

So please, keep this in mind. It's not omgjesus vs. tehevilmarketing sana claws, it's not punching out an old lady to get a tickle me elmo or whatever, it's about cutting your fellow man a break for a change.
Happy Holidays, Fark. Hope you and yours are warm and safe this year.

Love the tree, lights, Santa, "Santa Baby" by Eartha Kitt, the yule log, stockings, the whole pagan/commercial bit. Love giving presents and getting them too.

Love the story of a humble hero born outdoors and sleeping where cows eat. It's a story, a myth, that conveys little or nothing that is factual but much that is important and true. Especially since I had kids it strikes me that the story is about adoring a baby, how they come into the world powerless, with nothing, and are the best gift and biggest blessing. I'm not going to let the right-wing "Christians" hijack what _I_ find to be the deepest meaning of the holiday. I couldn't care less what shows up on postage stamps.

The "Christians" are annoying but luckily every once in a while one of them gets caught in a meth/homosexual sex scandal and we are all reminded that we are all human, and being human is a lot harder for those convinced of their superiority.

KiesteredBeetle

you watch too many christmas specials. to most of the world, it's just another day. yes it's nice to see friends and family and exchange gifts, but come on. The world still goes on, good things happen, bad things happen, people are people just like any other day.

/humbug

Since it's not the holidays yet, I humbly invite you to horf a bag of cocks, Warpzone not the bag, mind you, but the cocks inside.

godisimaginary.com/



/that is all from this lurker

Anything issued or supported by any government should have ZERO religious influence.

If you assholes want stamps and religious crap in public areas then you HAVE TO agree to do it for EVERY religious holiday.

/I wouldn't mind honestly, that's a lot of days off in the year.

DuncanMhor

State religion breeds fascism. And they really don't to go any farther in that direction over there. All governments should be secular, let the people decide what they want to be.

BTW, having a state religion has a big f*ing impact compared to a state flower. For one, good luck getting into office as a Pagan, agnostic, or atheist. Granted that it's still likely that those people will be discriminated against when they run in a secular government, having a state religion means that they don't have a chance to begin with.

/For an example of fascism in the UK see: CCTV and the proposed Anti-Social laws for single people. Apparently they already have them for married couples (and in that case it sounds like its purpose is mostly ok as these tend to be domestic abuse cases) but now they want to expand them to put "anti-social" single people, even without children, into what they call "centres" with strict curfew and rules. Sorry but that's not the direction I would want to go in society.

I smell ass.

This thread useless without "Help we're being persecuted" Christain pie chart.

Darth Shatner

Didn't see your retarded post or I'd have included it in my previous responses.

Jesus is very fictional. There are almost no sources claiming he existed other than the bible and select other fairy stories from long after he died. The Roman Empire took amazing records but yet there's nothing about him.

Santa on the other hand, or as he should be known, Nicholas of Myra or Saint Nicholas DID exist. He is documented to have existed and to have begun the tradition of secret gift-giving. Obviously all the other stuff that came after is myth, sure. But we know that St. Nicholas existed whereas we have no proof of Jesus. If we really had all these "sources" you claim we do there wouldn't be so much debate.

hoo-wee-baby:I have a total issue with someone that says that I can't have a card that says Merry Christmas nor can I say that my son has a Christmas Break because it may offend non Christians.

Who exactly has restricted your speech in such a way? The cards I just bought say "Merry Christmas" and I'm an agnostic. Please tell me who is banning your Christmas. I want names so I can report them.

next they'll take the Jew out of Jewbilee.



/I desire macaroni pictures
//and popcorn necklaces

Christ. The idiots, they're breeding.

One Love: State religion breeds fascism. And they really don't to go any farther in that direction over there. All governments should be secular, let the people decide what they want to be.

BTW, having a state religion has a big f*ing impact compared to a state flower. For one, good luck getting into office as a Pagan, agnostic, or atheist. Granted that it's still likely that those people will be discriminated against when they run in a secular government, having a state religion means that they don't have a chance to begin with.


You don't know the first thing about the Church of England, do you?

One Love
State religion breeds fascism. And they really don't to go any farther in that direction over there.

The C of E is going to be responsible for bringing fascism to Britain? Please put down the crack pipe. I don't think you realise how ineffectual they are and just how irrelevant to 99% of people in the UK.

As for the "Anti-Social laws for single people", I'm afraid I really have no idea where you've got that from. Maybe it's some mangled view on ASBOs or something that Alex Jones thought up. There's no difference in the way single people are treated in the UK regarding ASBOs.