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(CIO Tech Informer)   It is now easier to install Windows on a Mac than on a PC   ( cio.com) divider line
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2338 clicks; posted to Geek » on 03 Nov 2006 at 2:29 AM (10 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2006-11-02 10:40:26 PM  
My new duo Macbook Pro should be here in 10 days. I hope that it is easier.

Apple wins.
 
2006-11-02 10:42:00 PM  
Que? Windows comes pre-installed on PCs.

/DRTFA
 
2006-11-02 11:29:27 PM  
I have this. It rocks. It can run full screen, or in a window. It runs at near native speed also. Very snappy on my macbook pro.


felixwindt.com
Clicky for embiggened version
 
2006-11-02 11:39:05 PM  
Have all the people that are praising Parallels as the second coming not ever heard of VMWare?

/wtf
 
2006-11-02 11:47:03 PM  
Have all the people that are praising Parallels as the second coming not ever heard of VMWare?

Hmm, lets see. VMWare doesn't run on Macs. Oh, and it's 130 dollars more. I'd say VMWare is a poor choice for a Mac based on the not compiled for Mac, costing more than double aspects.
 
2006-11-03 02:44:31 AM  
Erm..installing Windows is hard?

Since when?
 
2006-11-03 03:21:23 AM  
I agree with dlpriest, installing windows is EASY. I bet you didnt know you can install osx on a windows machine, why you would want to however, is beyone me

http://www.osx86project.org/
 
2006-11-03 03:24:59 AM  
Now you only have to click "Okay" once. This is in stark contrast to the olden days when you had to click "Okay" twice.

What's with the disproportionate demand to run Windows on a mac, anyway?
Demand to run Windows on a Mac: Huge
Demand to run OS X on a PC: Small

Someone should do a study or something.
 
2006-11-03 03:34:32 AM  
Why is it that Mac users like to drop in to the conversation what model computer they're using ("... my macbook pro", twice in this thread already)? If a windows user referred to his computer as "my Dell Dimension E520" on here, he'd be mocked mercilessly for it.
 
2006-11-03 03:54:34 AM  
CraicBaby:
Que? Windows comes pre-installed on PCs.

/DRTFA


Que? I've had to install Windows myself on every PC I've had in the last five years.

Not everyone buys pre-configured systems.

I don't own a Mac, nor plan on doing so, nor do I see the point of spending all that money on a computer, then installing Windows anyway, but this program sounds cool.
 
2006-11-03 04:25:42 AM  
DRTFA

However-- I've never had a problem installing windows, going all the way back to Win95. I do have a problem with the "penis-envy" type of advertising that Apple does, though. Sell products based on their strong-points-- in this case video editing, gfx design, and not having a good library of games-- not on their ability to mimic something that they intrinsically aren't.
 
2006-11-03 04:43:26 AM  
The reason that it is easier to install for a virtual machine is that the install process can garner information from the existing OS to complete the custom settings, such as language, date etc.

Not exactly worth writing articles about, but a logical improvement to make when installing an OS within a virtual machine.

Oh and you can automate a Windows install on any machine, but not by default.
 
2006-11-03 04:47:09 AM  
If you can't install windows, you just possibly, just maybe, might be retarded.
 
2006-11-03 05:18:25 AM  
It's not so much "hard" as it is annoyingly long.

I'm not saying "OMG APLLE FTW"... Quite the opposite, I prefer XP. But if Apple found a way to cut a fraction of the hour and a half install time (not counting updates), cool.

/Has had to install Windows at least 10 times in the past 4 months on different machines.
//Tech support for his friends
 
2006-11-03 05:19:45 AM  
Zeta:If you can't install windows, you just possibly, just maybe, might be retarded.

I feel like that when I have to call them to get Windows activated. I hate speaking the seriel number in at slow speed, then having them repeated slowly back to me, then having to say "yes," then, really slowly, being told what the activation code is. Just let me farking type it in with my phone's keypad!
 
2006-11-03 05:59:18 AM  
Zofryer

Considering I downloaded it off the VMWare website and installed it on my Linux box, I highly doubt this "it costs 130 dollars" business.
 
2006-11-03 06:42:46 AM  
Soon, you won't even have to use your brain to use a Mac!

I for one hail our new Apple Overlords...

or not.
 
2006-11-03 07:18:31 AM  
Zeta

If you can't install windows, you just possibly, just maybe, might be retarded.


Depends. I had a hard time installing Windows XP on a Shuttle PC. Having installed the CPU, memory and drives myself, I doubt if that makes me retarted.

I did eventually succeed. But others struggled too. An example from here


I also have been having a devil of a time with installing XP on my shuttle pc. I bought a SN41G2 Shuttle, which has a FN41 motherboard. I have a 120Gig HD and a basic cd-burner. I have tried to install Win XP Pro several, several times, but to no avail. I have swapped out various CD readers, even tried two different, official copies of XP Pro. I even DID manaage to install the OS when i hooked the hard drive to an old athlon comp that I have, but when i plugged everythnig back into the shuttle and used XP repair to square things up (as per the microsoft tech help website), that also failed. The problem always occurs when it is still loading the setup files onto the hard drive. It's around 20% when it says that it can't find a certain file on the cd (it's a different files each time). After multiple attempts to find it, it blue screens. The MS knowledge base does not cover my situation. If by any chance, someone out there knows what I am speaking of, and has fixed it, let me know. Otherwise, I just have a preety piece of junk and wasted money sitting on my desk. Fun.
 
2006-11-03 07:23:00 AM  
OMG Windows' installation is a nightmare! You have to click NEXT> about SIX TIMES!!1! When will Gates make teh software real peoples can use@!?!
 
2006-11-03 08:17:50 AM  
Abelian Groupie: Why is it that Mac users like to drop in to the conversation what model computer they're using ("... my macbook pro", twice in this thread already)? If a windows user referred to his computer as "my Dell Dimension E520" on here, he'd be mocked mercilessly for it.

I know, seriously!

/AMD Athlon 64 3800+
//2 gigs o ram
///EVGA 6800XT
 
2006-11-03 08:24:52 AM  
This is not exactly amazing.
All versions of Windows since at least 95 have included a method for automated installation.

I assume that they just use a script to gather info from OSX (location, keyboard, and so on) and use it to build the config files.
 
2006-11-03 08:48:25 AM  
Otherwise, I just have a preety piece of junk and wasted money sitting on my desk. Fun.

Before I upgrade or build a new system, I always spend a couple of weeks researching what parts are documented to play nicely together. I cruise Tom's Hardware and other review sites and look through the test system results, then check out the number of reviews for a given item on Newegg. You can often find reviews with clues like "it's great as long as you don't pair it with a..."
 
2006-11-03 08:52:11 AM  
Hey, that sounds like the piece of crap SoftWindows we used back in the early 90s.
 
2006-11-03 09:26:17 AM  
I love the smell of misdirected hate in the morning.
 
2006-11-03 10:10:59 AM  
If anyone is that hellbent on trying OSX on a run of the mill Intel box (sse2 and 3 processors). Just torrent 10.4.6.install.dvd.iso and make the decision for yourself. (Be warned though, your SATA interface may not be compatible, if not use a standard ATA drive to install it on)
 
2006-11-03 10:19:37 AM  
ccmods

Yeah, point taken! PC power users will, if prompted, happily post their system specs as though anybody gave a shiat. But they do at least have to be somehow prompted to do it. You don't see this "I was installing Windows the other day on MY MACBOOK PRO and MY MACBOOK PRO runs it much better than any beige box could because it's a MACBOOK PRO" stuff.

/Athlon 4GHz 2GB... just kidding.
 
2006-11-03 10:24:39 AM  
nowadays a Mac is a PC
 
2006-11-03 10:35:29 AM  
SrWapo: Just let me farking type it in with my phone's keypad!

I don't guess this will help you now, but you can type the serial number. I did it the other day.
 
2006-11-03 11:08:39 AM  
Pixelvision

nowadays a Mac is a PC

If by "PC" you mean "personal computer," then Apples have been PCs since about 1977 or so. In fact, one might say that the Applle ][ actually ignited the PC revolution in the late seventies.

If by "PC" you mean that Macs now run on Intel chips, then that is true, too. The difference is the operating system, which is far more secure, stable and intuitive than Windows. And, unlike, Windows, it actually makes older machines faster with each new version!
 
2006-11-03 11:20:17 AM  
FlashHarry: And, unlike, Windows, it actually makes older machines faster with each new version!

huh? i had not heard of this before...
 
2006-11-03 11:24:38 AM  
SrWapo

You can type it with the phone's keypad. And if you say yes after each set of numbers, the machine gives it to you much quicker.

/the more you know
//even works on cell phones
 
2006-11-03 11:28:29 AM  
I use a Mac at my work using Parrelels, and I spend most of my time in the WinXP environment. It works fairly well. At home, I have a dual boot WinXP/Ubuntu homebuilt computer. If it wasn't for the fact that I like to assemble my own computers, I'd have considered a Mac (and I might -- just might -- for the next purchase). The price differential isn't that great, although there is one.

Having said that, I think what's really going to be interesting is next year when (per the Microsoft anti-trust settlement in the EU) the source to Vista will be released. Imagine if you could bascially reverse engineer the calls directly, so you could open WindowsXP based software in a Linux based operating system, and run it as though it's native.

That, my friends, will be neat.

/Ironic thing is that I'm not a techie, I'm a law-talking guy.
 
2006-11-03 11:31:47 AM  
BrickTamnland - I bet you didnt know you can install osx on a windows machine, why you would want to however, is beyone me

And I really thought about having a go at this, but I couldn't think of a reason to do it (for myself at least). There's no software that I'm using or want to use in the near future that I can't already get.
 
2006-11-03 11:46:33 AM  
Anyone have a good link showing what WIN apps, etc. do/don't work (well enough to be usable) running on a Mac?
 
2006-11-03 11:59:41 AM  
Huxley71: Imagine if you could bascially reverse engineer the calls directly, so you could open WindowsXP based software in a Linux based operating system, and run it as though it's native.

You mean like ReactOS? Granted it's not Linux based, but it does have a POSIX subsystem, so it should be somewhat compatible.
 
2006-11-03 12:05:40 PM  
We're greenlighting ads now?

Well, if you are going to do that, at least use the right tag; img.fark.com
 
2006-11-03 12:13:48 PM  
Huxley71: Having said that, I think what's <u>really </u>going to be interesting is next year when (per the Microsoft anti-trust settlement in the EU) the source to Vista will be released.

I would be downright SHOCKED if they actually did this. I know they have opened up their software to large universities and stuff, but I have a feeling MS will use their typical bag of tricks to avoid releasing it to the general public.
 
2006-11-03 12:17:19 PM  
Home:
DP 800 G4
768mb ram
bunch of HD space

Work:
DP 2.5 G5
3gb Ram
120gb HD

FTW!
 
2006-11-03 12:22:52 PM  
2006-11-03 11:08:39 AM FlashHarry [TotalFark]

Pixelvision

nowadays a Mac is a PC

If by "PC" you mean "personal computer," then Apples have been PCs since about 1977 or so. In fact, one might say that the Applle ][ actually ignited the PC revolution in the late seventies.

If by "PC" you mean that Macs now run on Intel chips, then that is true, too.


So what you're saying is, nowadays a Mac is a PC.

Thanks for setting him straight.
 
2006-11-03 12:53:43 PM  
Macs have ALWAYS been PC's. Period. End of discussion. But.. PC was coined to refer to IBM based computers so it became PC's vs Macs since Macs were not IBM based.

/Mencia - Dur dur durrrrrrrr
 
2006-11-03 03:05:47 PM  
Hey Everybody... the door to the basement is open. EVERYBODY OUT. You need some fresh air and sunshine.
 
2006-11-03 03:28:55 PM  
ccmods: "I would be downright shocked..."

It's not their choice. Read up on the Microsoft EU antitrust settlement. It's going to get very interesting.
 
2006-11-03 06:20:02 PM  
Whatever
 
2006-11-04 01:10:27 AM  
Abelian Groupie: If a windows user referred to his computer as "my Dell Dimension E520" on here, he'd be mocked mercilessly for it.

Well would you say "my gaming laptop", or my "AMD desktop with a 21" screen", because that's pretty much the equivalent of stating the model of one's mac.

jepah: The reason that it is easier to install for a virtual machine is that the install process can garner information from the existing OS to complete the custom settings, such as language, date etc.

Are these really the difficult aspects of an OS install. I personally have more trouble deciding which optional components to install, where to put them, and how to make space (ie how to format and partition drives).

discount sushi: FlashHarry: And, unlike, Windows, it actually makes older machines faster with each new version!

huh? i had not heard of this before...


Meaning that their modifications include performance optimizations as well as operational changes such as security fixes or feature additions.

jepah: Oh and you can automate a Windows install on any machine, but not by default.

I'm sure that's real simple.

/athlon xp 3200+ underclocked to 2000mhz (it's quieter)
//gforce 5700 ultra, with a fan who's (what's the proper grammar here) bearing is going out
///windows XP, legal
////it gets the job done
 
2006-11-04 02:24:50 AM  
I run Parallels on my MacBook Pro. No vid card support yet, so there's really little use for it. There are just those couple of stubborn applications whose deveolopers refuse to port to Mac.

Dual-booting takes care of the vid card problem.
 
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